Nintendo isn't fucking around this time. They have outright said they need Winds and Waves to be the best it can possibly be
This time for sure
>>59707542They delayed literally everything to make sure this game isn't a SV or SWSH disasterI think they are serious this time
>>59707538>corporate babble from some old fart Nintendo isn’t the one who makes the games, retard. Game Freak is, and those kikes have no reason to make a good game because you pedophiles will buy it anyway. And Cucktendo can’t kick Game freak out because game freak is a majority share holder. DoubleyouDouble will be shit like every other main series game and YOU WILL BUY IT ANYWAY, like you and all the other goycattle alway have.
>>59707545people like to doompost, but i'll be quite happy if this extra time lets winds and waves becomes peak pokemon
Pokemon in 3d never will be good
>>59707538/vp/ will never be satisfied with modern pokemon games no matter what they do because they are not children anymore
>sv art, alola 2.0 regionLol it’s already shit
>more wokeshit like the latest fire emblem Fartendo can eat shit
>>59707545They're delaying the game so it doesn't become a franchise top seller despite its flaws?
>>59707613Good games sell just as well as bad games do anon, even better most of the time actually
>open world>seamonkey regionno thanks
>Pokemon >Good gamesEvery main game is fucking shit, the battle system is outdated and stale as fuck
>>59707542Of course! Gen 1 - 9 = Tasting the waters. Gen X is the real deal. The game hardcore fans are waiting for.
>>59707538Unless you think SV and SWSH are the best games in Pokémon history behind only RB, I don't see why you think maximizing sales equals to making the game be better.For something with a stablished brand power of Pokémon, good quality doesn't affect sales, marketing does.
>>59707538>bestHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHHAHA.Pokemon is never going to be good again btw. It's gonna keep going downhill
>>59707538Game Freak will find a way to fuck it up
>Nintendo isn't fucking around this time. >They have outright said they need Winds and Waves to be the best it can possibly be
woke = cant be a good gamesimpe aswoke is cancer
It's going to be shit, we know a lot from gen 10 already thanks to the Teraleak.Even disregarding that and Pokemon, do you genuinely think Gamefreak is even capable of making a good game after the already forgotten disaster that was BoR(ing)?For fuck's sake, the gym theme is the literally DEI "goals of improvement" shit, which is just a bunch of dystopian bullshit to give those in power even more control over the masses by pretending they're doing good deeds.There is no hope for this game, there's no hope for Gamefreak, there's no hope for Nintendo after Iwata died.
>>59707570/thread
>shitendolol every nushitendo switch 2 game has been fucking shit
>>59707538>pokeslop in 2027>goodlmao even
>>59707815i do not care about my pokemon doing the tik tok dances
>>59707538Well it's not going to fucking be.
>>59707744>There is no hope for this game, there's no hope for Gamefreak, there's no hope for Nintendo after Iwata died.You just sound like a pessimistic bitch who lives in the world of old good, new bad when you end your post like that.The fact that GF could make an open world game in 3 years and make an expansion to one other game and a whole other game during that time frame shows they legitimately do have potential and the Teraleak shows they have the passion and creativity, but for whatever reason (be it pressure from TPC or simple greed to maximize profits) the release schedule they operate under time after time undermines any effort or passion they may with to expend. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying WiWa will be good, but if you give them time they could easily pump out something legitimately good. The question is whether or not they've been given this time, and only time will tell.They've clearly been under increased strain since the series went 3D and have to gut the ever living shit out of the games in order to meet whatever self-imposed quota bullshit they're operating under, moreso since the series went HD. WiWa will be the make or break moment. And the fact they're actually investing time into R&D ala the water simulation stuff they've been doing, I'm inclined to actually wait until we see what they've been making before writing the next game off.
>>59707538They should prerelease a mon like Munchlax. Nobody is excited for this.
>pokemon is shit and will never be good>pokemon has always been badWhat are you fags even here for if you don't like the series and never have?>inb4 romhacks and girlsBarely anyone posts romhack threads and any non Dawn or May thread gets continually necrobumped by one autist or dies after a few days even with the board being as slow as it is
>>59707575Or maybe because they have standards?
>>59707881>Nobody is excited for a game that,hasn't entered promotion phase yet No shit
>>59707545SV and SwSh, as bad as they were, sold incredibly well.Maybe the difference is they've still yet to get everyone on board with the Switch 2? Definitely it's a much less enticing proposition still than the Switch 1 which got brand-new Zelda and Mario games in its first year.
Roco kingdom looks alredy better than this shit
>>59707929Because of the sheer amount of pessimistic autists who pervade this site in general. Many people on 4chan have problems with elitism, a serious crabs in a bucket + misery loves company problem (manifesting in trying to bring down anyone enjoying things they don't enjoy) and an inability to let go of the past. Just look at how shonen anime on /a/ was treated for the longest time. The oldfags would get turbo buttmad at someone liking Naruto and at one point openly enjoying it was a bannable offense if the jannies were pissy enough that day. FFWD to an era in which more and more young people really like Naruto to the point where they can't possibly ban everyone without nuking a majority of the board and now they're forced to renege on it.It's the same with /v/. Whenever a new game comes out and people want to discuss it, it's always bogged down by a bunch of autists who hate (new thing) and only want to discuss games made before 2000.Pokrmon has always had autists who obsess over the old and reject the new, been that way since Gen 2. But it makes me wonder why so many even bother discussing the series when they clearly hate the majority of it. It's like some weird, sick, autism driven stockholm syndrome where they can't move on and are forever trapped in a toxic cycle of obsessing over the past. They'd be better off on some hyper specific subreddit.
>>59707929Or maybe the newer games are just bad and deserve to be shat on.
>>59707873I'm in the camp that, since we got a delay and it's running on Switch 2, it will be decent and we won't have graphical and bug messes like we did with S/V. I'm just wondering if the Pokemon will be leaked months before the game comes out, I believe the S/V dex was leak around just one month before it came out, right?
>>59707545they don’t care if the games are shit as long as they sell 10 billion copies (they will)
>>59707545>SV or SWSH disasterThe highest selling Pokemon games were a disaster?
>>59708061Pre-SV I'd have agreed with you, but since SV got the blowback it got, they clearly do actually care about critical reception more, as opposed to merely the revenue generated.Were that not the case we'd have gotten the original release plans for the games, which was SV DLC in 2023, Legends ZA in 2024 and WiWa would probably already have been released by now. Hell, ZA's DLC coming out in the same year as the game itself was mostly done because they planned for WiWa to come out this year (which itself has caused many plans for things like the anime and TCG sets to experience delays in production or release, as they were planning for Gen X content to have starting trickling in which is why TCG sets have been so minor and the anime is having spin-off themed filler arcs instead of something more relevant to the main series as usual).If they well and truly didn't give a shit about quality, we'd be discussing how shit WiWa actually ARE rather than how shit we think they will be because they'd have been pushed out the door just like SV were. There's no financial incentive for them to delay a product that is guaranteed to make bank if revenue is their only concern, especially something that could have released on the Switch 1 or been a joint release on both systems/have a Switch 2 upgrade since, as you say, they'd sell anyway.>>59708071Critically, not comercially. Unless you live under a rock, you know how much people dragged those games (especially SV) on release. Don't be obtuse.
>>59708076>you know how much people dragged those games (especially SV) on releaseAnd yet they still bought them so it doesn't matter
>>59708081If you read the rest of the post and were aware of the original release plans ala the teraleak, you'd know that if it didn't matter the games wouldn't have been delayed to the extent they were.
>>59707545Game Freak is the developer. It will not be a good game. You could give them 20 years and they will have nothing to show for it than the same slop they used to shit out in 2.
>>59707873>The fact that GF could make an open world game in 3 yearsOpen world games are garbage as a whole and GF's attempt was predictably even worse than the norm.
>>59708028This is a really weak strawman. It's not only genwunners complaining about this slop. There are plenty of us who are actual fans of Pokemon, not just our own nostalgia, but won't defend low-quality slop because we have standards.
>>59707538you jap niggas need to make wave runners again
>>59707538>They save money by making the games download only and add less features than ever aside from some shitty water engine and people slurp it up making Nintendo shitloads of profitNinendo is serious alright
>>59707545I read this everywhere but isn't SV in the top 5 most sold Pokemon games?I think SWSH also sold a lot too. Don't know what disaster people are talking about
>>59707575
>>59708208Buddy you need a new bit. This one isn't working out for you.
>>59707538Nothing in this image states the game has to be good.He's just saying they'll advertise the game.
>>59708028>It's like some weird, sick, autism driven stockholm syndrome where they can't move on and are forever trapped in a toxic cycle of obsessing over the pastIt’s anime derangement syndrome, some people watched the anime as 5 year olds and the yearning for that fictional world was so intense that they never recovered.
its already done being made. they can say whatever bullshit they want to try and sell it to me and maybe mistah merriku will fall for it but this is the marketing teams problem now.
>>59708181>I read this everywhere but isn't SV in the top 5 most sold Pokemon games?TOP 2, chud.
gamefreak doesnt give a shit to nintendo, in fact they are saboting them with shit games and lawsuits lol They also rejected Nintendo's help.
palworld already wonroco kingdom soonhonkai anima next
>>59707545>I think they are serious this timePeople have been saying that for a decade lol
>>59708457Maybe true for some people, but many of us actually just play other JRPGs and can see the massive gulf in quality between those and Game Freak's shovelware, with no valid excuse for it.
ITT: Miserable fuckers
>>59708780Ok go play those “other JRPGs” if there’s no point to keep playing Pokemon other than the brand. But you don’t actually believe that because only indie games are putting out an experience comparable to Pokemon atm. SMT V was really good but has its own problems.
>>59707538will the switch 2 have three mainline titles?
>>59707929To laugh at the tards on the short busses.
>>59707538>They have outright said they need Winds and Waves to be the best it can possibly beno, they said they need the SALES to be good. We're getting another lackluster quality blockbuster
>>59707538WiWa might be a SM/USUM tier game, that's what I'm feelingIt's going to be better than SwSh/SV, but there will still be complaints per usual because it's a Pokémon game in modern era
>>59707551>old fartIsn't he in his 40s?
>>59707538>>59707545>>59707551What's the point? By next year all Switch 2 will be fully jailbroken and Switch 2 emulators will be optimized. People will play Winds and Waves for free on day 1.
>>59707951did you miss the part where i said no matter what they doeven if they meet your """standards"""" you are still going to complain
>>59707645This until the muh graphics wear off.
After the Ocarina of time remake , Nintendo is as clueless as game freak.
>>59707873>old good, new badUnironically this>but if you give them time they could easily pump out something legitimately goodThree words: Beast of Reincarnation
>>59708055The leaks indicate they were struggling with large mobs of mons on the map causing performance issues and the co-op multiplayer being basically unplayable as of maybe late 2025 at the latest, so they've encountered issues, but being that far out from next November, there's a good chance they'll fix it if Nintendo is hovering over them with "don't you fuck this up for us" like this statement implies.Also, the people who hold the teraleak info have way more than they've already divulged and are holding back on purpose due to some weird power tripping faggotry, so we get drips every other month. We could get a similar dex leak at some point, but it would likely have to come from somewhere else. I wouldn't look at it myself, anyway, I like to go in blind and not doing so with SM really dampened my experience.
>>59707538>maximize its salesoh so nothing to do with quality
>>59708209>>59708784
Thank you, PalWorld!
>>59709343for nothing because wiwa still looks like shit
>>59709347lol
>>59707538Just seems like standard corporate speak to me, though it wouldn't surprise me if there is behind the scenes pressure like that.That said, how much do you think SV being ugly and running bad actually affected sales? Do you think it cost them millions of copies?
>>59707581>wokeshit>fire emblemListen, I hate wokeshit as much as the next guy but I think there’s a significantly deeper problem with both these games on this basis. They have turned games with specific themes into games about people and relationships between people.>fire emblem was a game about military turn based strategy >pokemon was a game about “animals” and ecology>both of them are now games about people and people talking to people and focus on people’s relationships Fuck all that. There are plenty of other games about people so we don’t need this singularity issue
>>59709264>and are holding back on purpose due to some weird power tripping faggotryBecause of course they are, can't just be happy with releasing stuff for fellow fans.
>>59707538Yeah right. I can already disregard it on the basis that the protags still have those stupid ass scooters from the leak. Failed from step 1
>>59709437FE makes sense to an extent, supports existed in the first place and the characters are your own army. In-universe politics makes sense too, since it's a war game.The real creeping issue is the chores problem. I didn't buy FW because I knew it was about to be some bullshit after "experiencing" 3H and based on what I read I was right.
>>59709477>FE makes sense to an extentYou are technically correct on every point of that (the best kind of correct). I haven’t played FE for a very long time. Last one was the one for Wii? I didn’t even end up getting the DS game. I think that was around the time the support systems started to become more prominent too lolBut mostly I’m a pokemon autist and my issues primarily lie there even if it bleeds into other stuff. The reason I got into pokemon at all is because I love nature and ecosystems and shit. Right now I’m raising a bunch of bullfrog tadpoles to watch their metamorphosis. I did luna moths earlier this season. I like to pretend I’m a professor studying evolution sometimes. Pic rel, a very docile (IV bred) tadpole. In the process of maxing Speed and Attack for final evo of bullfrog. Extra 4 going into HP I guess
>>59709481Sometimes I write imaginary pokedex entries for them>bullfrog tadpole! Omnivorous from the start, this soft bubble blower is very hardy should not be underestimated.>midling bullfrog! Shockingly fast and voraciously hungry, it uses its newly powerful legs to supplement its tail’s natural strength >Bullfrog! deceivingly named for its behavior and not its size, this massive frog is quite aggressive. It will eat anything smaller than its mouthThis is advanced autism
>>59709437>>fire emblem was a game about military turn based strategyAnd it was about to get the plug pulled when they decided to shift the focus.Current FE relies heavily on what sabed the franchise.This is the one case where "if you don't like it, don't play it" makes sense because no new FE would exist anyeay if the change hadn't happened
>>59709500Awakening didn't save the franchise. Nintendo spending more than $12 on marketing did. Radiant Dawn got an E3 trailer and nothing else, while Awakening got a teaser for television audiences. I guarantee you New Mystery of the Emblem would have sold well in the west if it got localized and the Awakening marketing treatment.
>>59707538>they need Winds and Waves to be the best it can possibly beThen it better fucking have voice acting.
>>59709719if the gacha game can do it, the mainline series should be able to do it too
>>59709728because the gacha has old character people care nobody cares nupoopmon woke characters
pokemon games doesn't need voice acting
>>59708085Dude give it a rest. They are experimental slothbags who will do one 6/10 thing that was perfected by even other games within Pokemon years before while subjecting the rest to a 4/10 slog that will capitalize on the repetition that earlier character stereotypes gave way to. Gamefreak is always a decade behind, any statement on their end has been a fucking nothingburger, a lie, something to bury criticism or all of the before mentioned things.
>>59709719>voice actingliterally fucking why. No cutscenes needed at all. Go watch tv holy shit it’s people like you who want to play pollypocket dress up and have handhold stories that ruin fucking everything
>>59709719>Then it better fucking not have voice acting.ftfy
>>59709719Have you seen the current state of the modern English VA industry?Knowing Pokemon, who still doesn't provide official subs for the anime; they will force one language (the one tied to the one you choose) and you'll be stuck with it.
>>59709719it doesn't need voice acting, but in the same vein don't make any more fucking scenes that would require voice acting to actually make sense like the sw/sh one, you know the one
>>59709784Not to mention, the game's text is in 10 languages and if there's voice acting for each one, that's way too much fucking money to pile onto something that won't fix anything actually wrong with the series.
>>59707538Where is your reading comprehension? In this statement John Nintendo says: "Guys we don't make the games, our hands are tied that they suck ass. We promise to market it as much as possible which is all they let us do. Sorry."
>>59709784What happend to English voice acting in japanese games and anime? While is it so uniquely bad
>>59709719>people are responding to this unironically saying Pokemon characters should be completely fucking silent save for text boxes as if the games are still being held back by gameboy limitations ignoring how awkward that is to look at in a modern gameWhy are people like this?
>>59708947yes, an old fart
>>59709896You are so steeped in cynicism it might just give you cancer.
>>59707613>has to actually praise the game instead of going "w-well it still sold well!"Oh no!
>>59707538>Nintendo isn't fucking around this time.Even so, Game Freak rejected help from Nintendo and other studios.Game Freak has more power than Nintendo when it comes to Pokémon sadly
>>59707545A reply to your replies: The games don't exist to be sold, they exist to sell. Whatever extra money they got from SV and SW wasn't worth the squandered opportunity and reputational damage. Pokemon isn't a game series.
>>59710370>A reply to your replies:
>>59708785>Ok go play those “other JRPGs”No. We're not going to let you swine without standards consume in peace. You will have no safe spaces. We will continue to provide legitimate criticism of GF and you just have to learn to cope with that.
>>59710370there was no "reputational damage". The average person who played SV liked it alright and that was that. Merch sales haven't exactly gone down. Only us nerds care about critic scores
>>59710744So the average human has no standards, then? Got it.
>>59710744We're still not going to let you swine consume in peace.
>>59710784This is the thing that taught you that?
>>59707538Just one more game bro, just one more game, just one more console generation and game freak is gonna catch up, no no you don't understand nintendo has been holding gamefreak back, just one more genre, bro, come on, just one more game, game freak has learned their lesson, just one more game bro, it's these outdated mechanics they're chafing under, just let them make a game with new mechanics, just one more game bro, this time Nintendo is fully supporting them, just-just one more game, bro, it's the kids on their smartphones, just one more game bro, come on game freak has lessons learned from the last failure, just one more game bro, they have two teams, let them work together for once and see what they're really capable of, just one more game bro, it wasn't their fault, nintendo didn't tell them they were dropping the last console and they had to suddenly pivot to stronger hardware that's why it runs like shit bro, just one more game bro, they'll redo all the models and it'll be awesome, just one more game bros they're neglecting the pokemon to really make the human animations better this time, just one more game bro, I feel it, gamefreak has a banger in them, they're taking it seriously now, just one more game bro.
>>59707538>>59707545Mmmm i smell another yellow metascore
>>59707575Trvthy unfortunately
>>59709304Death to shardee
ONE BILLION DOLLARS MORE TO THE MARKETING DEPARTMENTHELL YEANone of you actually think they're gonna spend anything on development right
I bought the switch 2 just for Pokemon Waves.
>>59707538Winds and Waves will still be soulless garbage
>>59707538They've got even more competitors like Roco KingdomIf they fuck Winds and Waves up, the competitors will get even bigger
>>59711246already looks worse than roco kingdom, poketroon always will be shit
>>59709997Personally I don't really give a shit if the characters are voiced or not, I don't listen to voice lines anyway. I read the text and then I continue. The only time I don't is if the VA does a particularly good job which is not gonna happen in pokemonHowever I don't think anyone would mind if they gave characters some "hmm", "hrm" Sega style voice clips, especially in those fully animated cutscenes they have these days, lest we have another Piers. Them not speaking full words (or made up words like the pokemon center signs I guess) means they don't have to translate them either so not a lot of budget or manpower goes towards it. Everybody wins
>>59711246japantroons can't make better games than chinkgods
>>59710954Errrrrrrrrm what the slugma? Did you just...heccin insult the sharty? [yoinky sploinkies nerd finger emoji] don't chu know that the sharty or as we alt right gigachud gods call it the GODTY is full of totally sinister 67 ohio frfr no cap TRUE /vp/ers? Check your privilege nu soi foodist caca, you don't have enough badges to heccin train these memes. EPIC WIN.
>>59709719>I want a $160 taglel
>>59710954>>59711261apologize RIGHT now to me, and my Discord kitten's BBC boyfriend or else I'm going to say how ur a pedo and get my legion of unwashed brownoids to groom minors on Discord after we gen some bullshit fake leaks on our Discord that specifically shills on /vp/ in hope we get minors to groom because we're terrible people who are British.
>>59707538>They have outright said they need Winds and Waves to be the best it can possibly beAll Pokemon in one game. Doesn't have to be available, but all have to be able to be imported. Turn based combat, none of that legends bullshit. This is the MINIMUM expectation. .
>>59707538I hope they fired SV's character artist and got back SuMo or SwSh's artist.
>>59709952It’s a twofold issue, with both aspects bleeding into one-another. Firstly, the English translation industry is massively fucking gay, particularly if it’s being handled by Americans (which is almost always the case), and “localise” (re: butcher) the shit out of the original script without remorse. Then there’s the fact that the English VA industry is run by the utter racket that is the unions to an almost comical degree, unions that are also in bed with localisers, resulting in VAs often getting to further fuck up an already munted adaptation instead of just doing their jobs and reading the goddamn words.
>>59709494This is so cool, anon. You rock!
>>59709784Japanese VAs are the best hands down
>>59709952Voice acting isn't a field that's taken seriously outside of Japan. It's a last resort for people who aren't talented enough for movies, TV or theater. There's no incentive for this to improve because the prestige voice acting roles that do exist (Pixar movies, for example) are just given to celebrities anyway.It's particularly bad for English dubs of Japanese media because, in addition to the other problems with voice acting, it's all controlled by a clique of the most insufferable extremely online faggots with even less talent than the usual VAs. And before them, it was done by retarded boomer studios like Saban, 4Kids and Funimation who had no respect for the source material and thought anime was the same thing as Saturday morning cartoons.
>>59711283they are the same artists
>>59709952Honestly I think it's partially voice acting directors just not doing a good job
>>59711329Hell yeah, thank you! Bringing pokemon capture to real life is some super fun stuff. This summer I found this huge Chinese mantis on my tomato plant. They’re invasive in my area so instead of killing her, I brought her inside and just fed her crickets for the rest of the season. I release Carolina mantis in my yard every year so I compared her to the Carolinas in a study on regional forms>Chinese Mantis! It is built for unrivaled speed and precision but its natural plate armor gives it a defensive prowess. Its large wings are capable of slow flight but this is considered dangerous due to predators.
>>59711367>>59709494>>59709481are these yours? they're so cute!
>>59711373They are! I just finished up a batch of tree frogs earlier this season. I’ve got maybe 25 of them now separated into enclosures by size so the big ones can’t hurt the small ones (they’re cute but still predators). I guess that counts as almost a box full lol. Pic rel is a bunch of them.>pardon the glass. I have hard water and they require being misted fairly often.
>>59711376awwwgetting to see them makes this thread's entire existence based
>>59711383The elites do not want you to know this but non-endangered animals from outside are free. If you want fish you can just net minnows from a pond. You can find local tadpoles in puddles. The mantis come to my house but I release baby carolinas on purpose.You can get 10, 15, and 20 gallon tanks at petco during their one dollar per gallon sale and just put them in a garage/closet for later. I know I’m always going to find something and want to watch it so i’ve accumulated a lot over the years.>pic rel is a bunch of Carolina mantis hatching from some egg saxxx I got online
>>59709728Pokemon Masters has limited voice acting for snappy catchphrases and battle commands. Who knows if they would they put in the effort for a complete script and character interaction?
>>59711469as long as they put in the effort to avoid something as stupid as the piers scene
>>59711479https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cEha8BymucPiers scene with voice acting
>>59711367Wow based anon. If you had to make an allegory using Pokemon to explain how the jews are importing Muslims and Nafris to Europe in order to exterminate the white race, how would you go about it? I want to make a very redpilling story for my romhack that will even make leftist pussies think twice about the situation that they're in.
>>59711557Interacting with animals or playing pokemon is usually what I do to get away from exactly these kinds of topics lmaoIf I had to take your question seriously, I’d say to do it through pokemon as much as possible without other people. Maybe a species of pokemon is highly invasive and outcompetes the native pokemon to the region in a specific niche that is causing some other problem in the ecological web. Some megacorp is either facilitating the invasive species for profit regions, quashing the ability of the native pokemon to fight back against the invasive species, or both. Maybe a government institution is neglecting its responsibility to deal with the matter for other political reasons. However you’d choose to represent corporatism and institutional failure is on you beyond that point lol
