So this got brought up be the Retronauts podcast recently and I feel it needs to be brought up.Maybe Sega shouldn't have been fucking retarded and lost all their money on a decade of failures.People keep giving Nagoshi shit for somehow causing every ill in Sega's history when he could maybe be put at fault for one failure. Sega themselves are just a shitshow of incompetence and always have been, go look at how they handled the 90s and you will see exactly why they died.>Genesis is their first big North American success, Master System did well in PAL markets while founding in North America but they did pretty shit in Japan compared to the FC, later PCE and later the SFC>this is due in part to Sega of America, which has way more power and influence than any other regional branch of any video game company by that point (they actually made games and were involved in important corporate decisions for one)>Sega CD comes out and does okay, nothing great but it draws in some of the JP market at least, sould've been it's own system with it's own VDP, a OPL3 chip to go along side it'd ADPCM chip, a CPU speed bump (16MHz), a 2X CD drive and more ram but that would bump the price up by $50 bucks>Sega wants to move onto the next thing>SoA floats the idea of a middle tier console between the Genesis and upcoming Saturn, SoJ just wants to go straight to Saturn>SoA, still on the Genesis high, insists on doing another attachment in the 32X to extend the lifespan of the console>tons of staff and resources are thrown at the thing>bombs horribly, basically shitcanned in less than a year, loads of games die on that console specificallyPart 1
>>12584562>time for the Saturn to recoup>uhoh, SoA and SoJ have agreed to the fucking retarded idea of shadowdropping a console, pushing the release date earlier without giving game devs enough time (or even enough dev kits)>Hardware was a nightmare to work for due to use of quads rather then tris as well as it's multi CPU set up.>console doesn't get sold in most American retailers thanks to this, SoA does their usual of not releasing a lot of "too Japanese-y" games like on Gen, but that only exacerbates how dead the library really is>Saturn itself is on shoddy hardware nobody wants to develop 3D games for>whole thing is killed early so Sega can have a head start in the sixth generation of consoles, the Dreamcast>Gets ass raped by the PS2, becomes 3rd party before they had time to make a spoused up Dreamcast with DVD support to cut back on multi disc games and to play catch up with the Game Cube and Xbox.>Almost got bought out by Bandai, got bought out by Sammy instead.Part 2.
>>12584564>Their finances are so bad that this is what finally kills them and forces them to merge with a pachinko company>Their finances were not only bad because of the ridiculous failures of the 32X and the Saturn, but also because Sega had been squandering their success for years in the backgroundThis is the worst part that shows Sega deserved to be killed and merged with a pachinko company, because go read their fucking financial reports and see how much shit was rotting away in warehouses, TENS OF MILLIONS of hardware and software just sat, nobody buying it, nobody even ordering most of it.>391,965 unsold Game Gears>401,942 unsold 32Xs>623,067 unsold 32X games>110,431 unsold Sega CDs>855,747 unsold Genesis consoles>unsold copies of games in the hundreds of thousands (including 215,000 unsold copies of Sonic & Knuckles)>1.4 million unsold Genesis games>so much more just sitting around, not being ordered by storesSega is a stupid fucking company. Anytime Sega fails, it's because Sega is run by retards. The smart decisions made by them could be counted on one hand, and those are>Dropping Alex Kidd and Opa-Opa as mascots to focus on solely Sonic was the best thing they ever did>"Sega Does What Nintendon't" advertising from SoA>Takes over and buys Puyo Puyo from Comple while everything else including Madou Monogatari (excluding it's characters which Sega got) ended up at D4>seamlessly dropping the Dreamcast and switching to third party publishing>Changes Puyo Puyo so much that no one except ex-Complie staff knows how to do the pre-Fever style anymore>Still respected, people love Amity ands Ringo but not like it was in the Compile era and Amity ands Ringo are not as loved as Arle and the other Compile female characters>Flooding YouTube reviewers with free copies of Sonic Fronters>Immediately channeling that success into a flood of Sonic games for the global marketThat's about it, Sega is made of bad decisions at every levelPart 3
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>>12584562>So this got brought up be the Retronauts podcast recentlyWhy do you care what a bunch of literal faggots have to say?
>>12584643Those guys are not faggots, they're huge deals in the retro gaming space.
>>12584562Jeremy Parish is a historical revisionist and Bob Mackey is a militant troon loving sjw
>>12584987Jeremy Parish is a historical researcher, he does not rewrite history, while Bob Mackey is a Trump loving right wing cis-gender man who served in both Iraq and Iran, in fact the later is currently bombing the hell out of Iran ordered by Trump himself to open the Strait of Hormuz.In fact in that very same podcast Parish even said "Bob Mackey won't be in this podcast this week, he is currently serving overseas bombing Iran so the Strait of Hormuz can be reopened and gas prices can go back to normal, god bless Donald Trump and the Republican party and pray to god that the Democrats and RINOs who started this mess back in the days of *shudders*Bill Clinton*shudders* can be black listed from politics so we have a 1 party system, being the Republican party."
>>12584562I'm only going to say this once(to drive the pirate autist mad) and then leave the thread, no coming back. But I will say with absolutely certainty that...Piracy Killed The Dreamcast™
>>12585036Piracy killed the PSX.
>>12585036Oh good. Then this thread won't have too much to worry about the piracy debate. Getting tired of the back and forward, whenever Sega is brought up.
>>12584562>So this got brought up be the Retronauts Now that mods have allowed a couple of youtuber threads, every shitty two bit e-celeb is doing their viral marketing here now. Reminder that there should be no exception, not even once
>>12584978They are fags, you're a gigafaggot for endorsing them.>>12585036I love that something that can be so easily refutable makes you mald. Piracy didn't kill the dreamcast.>>12585048Piracy didn't kill the Dreamcast, you even see in OP's blogposts what did them in, and how Sega was already on the ropes when the system launched.>Almost got bought out by BandaiWhich very nearly happened in 1997>Gets ass raped by the PS2, PS2 was huge when the system was announced in 1999. OP also forgot to mention the Japanese Dreamcast launch was a dud, with thousands of preorders going unfulfilled.
>>12585839No they are not, read >>12585004Also the failed Bandai buyout happened in 2003, Sammy bought them out instead and there are talks with in Sammy recently to sell the Sega half (including Atlus and Rovio) to Bandai Namco just to pay off recent failed projects.
>>12586000>Also the failed Bandai buyout happened in 2003It also happened in 1997, fucktard.Goddamn you niggers know less about retro games than /v/. No wonder you glaze a dead podcast ran by a cucked faggots.
>>12586018>Posting Mad Magazine.>A satire/parody magazine.>Meaning it's not real.
>>12586018>>12586028Also Retronauts is not dead and it's not ran by faggots.
>>12585839I don't care if piracy did or didn't kill the Dreamcast. I'm just tired of threads getting derailed by the discussion. Stop feeding into it.
>>12586028>Posting Mad Magazine.Are you trying to be retarded?https://segaretro.org/index.php?title=File:CVG_UK_184.pdf&page=8>>12586032>Also Retronauts is not dead and it's not ran by faggotsParish and Mackey barely appear on it anymore and yeah, they are retards considering they barely do any research and half the episodes they post are some pop culture related bullshit. The guests they have usually know more about the subject matter.>>12586080That's cool, just saying that it didn't. Apparently there's one retard here that gets mad when you post evidence to how badly Sega was in the red before the system even launched and somehow playing a burned CDR in 2002 is what killed the system.
>>12586091>No file by this name exists.Also Parish did appear in that podcast but they do do research.
>>12586110Too stupid to use a computer?https://retrocdn.net/images/d/df/CVG_UK_184.pdf>Also Parish did appear in that podcast Oh he did his one yearly appearance before he fucked off back to his youtube channel to whine about whatever dated liberal talking point he cares about?
>>12585004>Jeremy Parishdon't care>trump slopdonny fucked us all while getting cum in his ass by israel, you are coping
>>12586124>whine about whatever dated liberal talking point he cares about?He doesn't do that on his show, he might make a offhand remark occasionally about Reagan or whatever but he thankfully keeps it out of the Works videos. That's more a podcast thing. He was never as bad about that as Mackey though even on the podcast.
>>12586124>There is currently no text in this page.Also Parish is a hyper conservative.>Trump...Japan, not Israel, and I am not coping.
>>12586145Parish loves the Reagan administration, read >>12585004 and Bob Mackey served in the military and is bombing Iran right now so the Strait of Hormuz can be opened as we speak.
>>12586152>Also Parish is a hyper conservative.>>12586145>he might make a offhand remark occasionally about Reagan or whatever but he thankfully keeps it out of the Works videosHe says pretty faggy shit.>>12586160Your based and redpilled retard, schizo.
>>12585036True in the sense that it was the final nail that drove third party developers away, causing Sega to bleed more money than they already were. PS2 was barely even out during Sega's final days.
>>12586165He has never said "faggy shit".
>>12586202Sure troon, sure.
>>12586212Racism is a leftist thing, the right despises that shit.The far right on the other hand is a different story.
>>12585004>he does not rewrite history,
>>12584562>>12584564>>12584567all you need to do is look at what non-game related things Sega was spending money on before the Dural/Dreamcast was drawn on its first piece of paper to know that Sega was going to fail.Maybe they could have survived all that other shit from these posts, but definitely not the blowing of money on anything and everything other than increasing the market and their share of it.
>>12586363That is the case.
>391,965 unsold Game Gears>401,942 unsold 32Xs>623,067 unsold 32X games>110,431 unsold Sega CDs>855,747 unsold Genesis consoles>unsold copies of games in the hundreds of thousands (including 215,000 unsold copies of Sonic & Knuckles)>1.4 million unsold Genesis games>so much more just sitting around, not being ordered by storesThis is what really killed the company, it wasn't just the series of hardware flops it was their insanely optimistic sales predictions that caused them to overproduce literally everything by several orders of magnitude more than they could ever sell even if their hardware didn't suck. Sega would have shit the bed regardless, you can't run a business like that, I can't believe this kind of thing actually happened.
