>>12594894
Bit of both. Still a great gen.

>>>/vp/

Personally, no, I think they're massively overrated and gens 1 and 3 are massively overlooked.
>don't bother playing gen 1, it's WEIRD! Just play gen 2
>don't bother playing gen 3, it doesn't have day/night and it doesn't let you use your bros. Just play gen 2

I want to fuck Hooh and Lugia

>>12594956
>>don't bother playing gen 1, it's WEIRD! Just play gen 2
No one has ever said this. Everyone cooms over charizard and pikachu.

>>12594961
I see lots of people saying that gen 1 is weird and buggy and not worth playing, in fact.

>>12594962
Its really only buggy if you're playing the japanese versions. Casuals don't care about the few bugged attacks you run into in american red and blue.

>>12594894
There are only 151 pokemon. Everything after is garbage.

>>12594973
+ togepi because it was in the anime

>>12594894
Last time I played them was in 2002

>>12594894
still the best games in the series
it was the first and last time a pokemon game felt like an improvement
gamefreak basically fucked up and plateaued early
go ahead and look at the prices of hg/ss

>>12594975
Yeah he gets a pass I love that little guy. I genuinely find all the other post gen 1 pokemon to be bootleg tier except Togepi and maybe the legendary birds or whatever

>>12594894
I loved it in 2001, but can't deny every time I've tried going back to it since even with 10x speed in emulation and all that crap it just bores me to shit.

It holds up if you can experience it in a jobless fashion. Certain Pokemon only being available at real world times of day is unbearably annoying when you actually have shit to do unlike when you were in the 4th grade. Using a clock time hack to manipulate the time turns this in theory very wonderful mechanic into a pain in the ass. I much prefer running gen 1 cause I can just pick it up anytime and not need to fuck around with the clock. When you have real time to spend in gen 2 the way it’s supposed to be played, it really opens up and it’s a real joy. For a busy adult its a waste of time.

>>12595005
I like Scizor.

>>12594916
seethe

>>12594894
i replayed them like last year. they're still cool.

>>12594894
I never thought they held up that well. Yes it was hype to see Feraligatr in the Japanese cartridge before there were even commercials for it. The starters still don't hit the same as gen 1, I don't think any kid could say he looked at the first forms and got excited.
The mon variety, new mon designs and overall vibe were very subdued. Already you could see the patterns that got more apparent with every gen. New mons like Noctowl are redundant and bland, serve no purpose except collecting. Many cool mons like Sneasel have either bad types or bad stats or bad moves for their stats. You're gonna make a followup to R/B, and not buff Onix? Or address the utter uselessness of abundant ground/rock types, at all?

Anyway, obviously going to Kanto was an amazing experience. Crystal is also a beautiful GBC game.

>>12594961
Yes they have, I see it all the time. Like this anon mentioned. >>12594962
Pokefags who bitch about "le bugs" in a single player game need to rope ASAP.

played crystal first time this year

it was by far the worst pokemon game ive played

>>12595003
Exactly this. These games and Crystal are still in many ways the peak of the franchise.

Gen 3 and 4 have a lot to love as well, but it always felt like give and take after Gen 2.

Anyone want to trade pokemon?

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Good game but you have to play Gen 1 first to understand why this is the most epic moment to happen in gaming.

>>12594894
GSC is style over substance, which is fine considering Pokemon isn't that deep in the first place, the colors and music are charming, new types, moves, pokemon and even a brand new stat were added as well as balancing changes to the old ones.
It's an overall better game than RBY...but it lacks a lot of the stuff that made good and/or engaging on top of having plenty of questionable choices.
The elemental Stones are locked behind Kanto and you could only get one of each unless you played crystal where you had to rely on phone calls for those, speaking of calls that's how you come across swarms and outside of Qwifish none of the pokemon you get from them are really worth the effort of activating a swarm from both a game play perspective and an appeal perspective.
With the exception of Tyrogue and Togepi, none of the babies are gotten/catchable before their evos so there's effectively no point to them beyond dex filler and mech.
With exception of the goldenrod store, the tm list in the game is kinda ass (why is defense curl a tm!?), i know they want you to trade or rely on egg moves but most pokemon don't have anything worth learning.
Balance was better than RBY but it left a lot to be desired, poison became even worse offensively and they couldn't even bother to spread the moves, Ice arguably got more nerfed than Psychic and Bug only got 1 relevant move, the special split was also unfair to some pokemon (mainly Seaking, Tangela, Parasect and Ninetails got nerfed while Snorlax and Jynx got buffed).

>>12594894

If a game is good and fun, that's what it is. There's no such thing as not holding up. And shut up with the nostalgia bullshit too.

The whole magic of Pokémon was that it tied into the animated series. Nobody cared about the animated series after season 1 and thus nothing after RBY matters.

You will never experience playing a barely translated japanese silver in an emulator on your pentium 3 months before the usa release and beating red for the first time.

>>12595083
>The starters still don't hit the same as gen 1, I don't think any kid could say he looked at the first forms and got excited.
Cyndaquil is baller.

>>12594894
Ive been done playing Pokémon since black and white and im never ever going to play another second of Pokémon for the rest of my life. Its a played out boring rpg franchise for literal babies and developmentally stunted man children. With that said Gen2 was the pinnacle of the series

>>12595176
>none of the babies are gotten/catchable before their evos so there's effectively no point to them beyond dex filler and mech.
The point of them is so that you have to use the breeding mechanic to fill the pokedex. The player isn't expected to already know everything about these games the way we do now. If you were playing blind, and you had all those blank spots in the pokedex, you would realize that there's something you haven't discovered yet.

>>12595176
>why is defense curl a tm!?
For rollout users.

>>12594894
It is the best game in the series. Day/night cycle, breeding, Dark/Steel, held items, AND it had two whole regions to explore, like getting 2 games for the price of 1. Gen 3 refined the formula and gave us abilities and doubles, the only good thing to come out of 4th gen and beyond besides more mons are regional variants to spice up the classics.

>>12595250
By the time you get it, the pokemon you actually want to keep rollout on already learned it by level up.

>>12595246
>If you were playing blind, and you had all those blank spots in the pokedex, you would realize that there's something you haven't discovered yet.
But that's not really engaging now is it?
Only way this would be fun would be if a baby form paved the way for a split evolution like they planned with the baby meowth but that didn't end up in the game.

>>12595237
I don't mind any, and Meganium is a nice mon, I just think I made myself like Typhlosion. Chik and Cyndaquil are blobbier than gen 1 starters.

>>12595246
I guarantee you the novelty of such discovery would only last 4 seconds in the mind of a 90s kid and they would either not care about it afterwards or wonder why they weren't simply given the baby form first.

>>12595272
Wait, i guess there's Hitmontop, but that's one example out 7 babies.

>>12594894
The atmosphere of the game is top notch. The level scaling is utter dogshit. Fortunately they are two of the few games that managed to get perfect remakes.

>>12594894
After playing the shitty 3d games,GSC it's even better

>>12594894
I loved the games as a kid, but they're not engaging enough to play as an adult. One-shotting everything just isn't fun. I'm hoping they'll get good again in a few decades, after I've lost half my IQ to dementia and several strokes.

>>12595073
You sure are.

The original game is way better by every single metric and I will happily die on that mountain as correct.

>>12594894
Most people on /vr/ prefer gen 2.

>>12594894
It good but janky is an acquired taste

>>12595083
>You're gonna make a followup to R/B, and not buff Onix? Or address the utter uselessness of abundant ground/rock types, at all?
Steelix.

>>12594894
I have no nostalgia for any of these games since I didn't play them until recent years. I've been playing them in release order, doing my best to complete the dex in each gen before moving on, and I'm currently on Gen 5.
Gen 2 was the best and didn't feel dated to me at all when I played it. I completed the full dex. The only annoying parts were the roaming legendaries, which were total bullshit.
Gen 3 was a huge disappointment to me and I hated the remakes of first gen.
The Gen 2 remakes in 4 were alright, but if I was going to replay either of them it would be the original Gen 2.
Up to Gen 5 I've been increasingly disappointed with each game in the series, and they've increasingly felt like they're built around just going through the motions. Gen 2 was fun. None of the games after it have been as fun. Simple as.

>>12594894
>was it mostly nostalgia
nobody had nostalgia for it as kids because it was new
what a dumb fucking question

>>12594894
Crystal with a rtc-adjuster and 'all 251' romhacks is excellent. Vanilla is still pretty good if you're happy to manipulate the clock to get Teddiursa or some other awkward time mons.
Still think nostalgia carries it mind, but I do like replaying it at least once a year.

>>12594894
All the Pokémon games are nostalgia and product of their time

If you were normal you loved Pokémon back in like 1999 for a few years and then moved on to other shit and never thought about it again

It's only in recent times that clown world became so depressing so lots of manchildren including myself realised they aren't going to become Tyler turden, yes, this is it. This is life. JUST WAGESLAVE FOR 50 YEARS BRO. and therefore they start yearning form that childlike carefree nostalgic memory. They regress into an infantile state. For me it's more DBZ than Pokémon. You realise you aren't going to win in clown world, so just start filling your mind with happy thoughts like Pikachu

No, the game didn't hold up today though. Can't pay me to play that shit. None of the games hold up but at least gen 1+2 had good designs and didn't feel like a cash cow product yet....

>>12594894
Gen 2 Pokémon still looked like Pokémon not weird ugly mecha alien shit

>>12594894
Yeah it holds up fine. The game is still fun and the graphics are peak gameboy cozy. The only kind of lackluster thing about it is that so many new mons are locked away behind post game, which I still don't really get the logic for. Still, you can just play a hack if it bothers you that much.

>>12595198
>The whole magic of Pokémon was that it tied into the animated series.
Pokemon is such a funny series because you will always find 10,000 people with the most specific reason for not playing the games anymore. Not that you should have to, but it's always some greivance that is so oddly specific.

The "whole magic" of Pokemon was absolutely not just that it had a TV show. Yes, I get how that was special for you, but even then it has had a TV show continuously since.

You can just say you personally lost interest. That's fine.

Gen 2 was the worst and singlehandedly killed the Pokemon craze. All of the additions to gameplay just added tedium and the new Pokemon were shit, including the starters.

If they didn't cuck people out of their pokemon wit the move from gen 2 to 3, I think there would be a lot less diehards for GSC.

They definitely set a high bar with the combined region that they barely pulled off, and then never did again, but the actual content of the second region was lacking (and woefully underleveled for you at the point you go there). Even in the remakes they didn't really fix that issue. And while a lot of new pokemon were cool, they also added a lot of completely useless shitters to pad the dex out.

It was a good game, but I think they had higher peaks later with Emerald, Platinum, HGSS and BW2. Better content, higher quality gameplay(phys/spec split, abilities, etc.) and peak visuals compared to the original gen 2.

>>12595003
The jump from RB to GS is huge compared to GS to Ruby/Sapphire which in some ways was a downgrade

>>12595198
Season 1 isn't even that good. It's 80 episodes, and probably 50 of them are pure filler.

>>12596389
I heard story that part of the reason GS faltered and signaled the decline of Pokemon was that Nintendo trained the customer so much to recognize the bold primary color Red and Blue iconography too well for all the years prior that when it switched to the metallic hues the kids didn't think of it as Pokemon.

>>12596560
Gold and Silver blew our minds as titles. It was so much cooler than just another color series would have sounded, it made it feel like we were going to discover whole new dimensions to the world, nuances we hadn't even previously imagined. If you were right around 7 years old, then that coincided with a time when your psychological development was also blooming into wider awareness and understanding about life. Realizing that your parents have first and last names, that your teacher also goes home after school, that people in different countries have different lifestyles than you do. For the primary audience, Gen 2 landed in the perfect way at the perfect time to make a permanent impact. By the time Gen 3 came along, you were more like 10, thinking of yourself as half grown up, maybe already smarter than the grownups, and capable of feeling jaded. "Ruby and Sapphire" felt like a step sideways after Gold, Silver, and Crystal, not the unfolding of a hidden dimension. The lack of ambition felt disappointing. So they weren't even going to try to build on Gen 2, the way Gen 2 had built on Gen 1? It felt like selling out.
After Gold and Silver dropped the kids all wondered what was going to be next. We did think "Diamond" seemed like the next step. "Crystal" was a little bit of a surprise, but the blue translucent cartridge looked so cool that it won our hearts anyway. I never played any pokemon games after Crystal, but I believe that Nintendo using Diamond for Gen 4 is something of an admission that Gen 3 represented a misstep.
So GS didn't "falter," it's just that the spell broke. The hype couldn't keep increasing forever and Gen 2 was simply the natural peak.

>>12595332

>perfect

lol. What about the soundtrack that was utterly butchered and what about the ugly DS graphics.

>>12596707
Gen 1 was the peak though.

>>12596718
>butchered soundtrack
Bah, I disagree. Besides, they eventually let you switch it back if you wanna hear the OG tunes
>ugly DS graphics
Fuck you, they're beautiful

>>12596801

Yeah, after you beat the game you get the gb sounds or whatever but it doesn't even hit the same. Like, it doesn't sound like a 1:1 copy of the original. It sounds recreated and plucked

>>12594894
It holds up fine. Being older made me realize that Pokémon in general is a very mid franchise. It did about much as it could for a sequel though. To the point where the games that came after actually had less features.

I've been playing through a patched Silver that fixes some bugs and adds the Celebi event, and eventually I'll finally tackle all of Stadium 2. It really is just "Pokemon 2". If you enjoyed Red/Blue then you should enjoy them. All the new mechanics and systems make the game feel bigger and better. Some shit like headbutt trees were definitely made for the era of schoolyard stories, telling your friends that you caught this rare Pokemon from a tree or whatever, but there's so many tools and guides nowadays that it shouldn't even be an issue for completionists. Though like gen 1, it really does help having Stadium 2 for shit like trading and Pokemon/item management.

>>12595056
>Certain Pokemon only being available at real world times of day is unbearably annoying when you actually have shit to do unlike when you were in the 4th grade.
This shit is largely exaggerated. Even as a grown-ass man with a full-time job, you're telling me you never have any amount of free time during morning, day, and evening/night to play? Like come on now. It's not like it takes that long to go to a specific location during a time of day and catch a Pokemon you want.

>>12596707
This is so far removed from my experience where nobody gave a shit about Gold/Silver. Everybody had Red/Blue, the entire school was playing it, trading and battling each other. When G/S came out only myself and a couple of other people I knew even bought it. Nobody else was interested, nobody was playing, trading or talking about Pokemon. I didn't even bother finishing it and I don't think my friends did either. It was DOA.

Gen 1 was objectively the peak by every single metric. Interest, hype, sales, cultural relevancy. Gen 2 was the death knell.

>>12594894
For the most part, yes, actually
Gen 1 was mostly buggy, unbalanced and the scaling was a bit shit
Gen 2 doesn't have much in terms of bad scaling, possibly the Jasmine/Chuck/Bryce as you cna do any of them in any order

>>12594975
Ho-Oh was in the literal first episode.

>>12594894
the only good thing about it are the graphics and sound which are peak

from a game design perspective its an absolute shitshow. couldve had a lot of potential with 2 regions but they absolutely failed on execution. of course as a kid I didnt notice any of this and loved the game but upon retrospective review its pretty shit and couldve been easily fixed with simply a better level curve and pokemon placement.

>>12597350
as a 91 kid my experience was
>gen 1: literally EVERY boy and even some of the girls were into it, absolutely unavoidable
>gen 2: still very popular and hyped but not everywhere like gen 1, a lot of normies had moved on
>gen 3: only the hardcore nerds like myself were hyped but we still loved the game and did some trading/battling in our circles
>gen 4: dude go have sex already why the fuck are you still playing this? (I did not have sex)
>gen 5: even I had moved on at this point, series became too much of a rehash

>>12596360
The TV show now isn't the same as the tv show in the 90s. It went from magical and being lighting in a bottle to commercialized and ugly

>>12596527
If season 1 isnt good then the rest of them are god awful

>>12596707
High iq post

We should do a coordinated play through like we did last year with gen 1, i absolutely loved that.

>the vp poster is back
jannies don't have enough to do i guess

>>12597763
Oh no, a retro pokemon thread, maybe you could make a couple retro zelda and RE threads if it bothers you so much

>>12594894
I like the casual gen1&2 EV system. There's no strategy or need to remove suboptimal EV distributions. More EV more better. Gen2 has updated movesets and more typing, I think it is a very good refinement of gen1. It stands up very well.

>but gen3+
Sure if you want that.

>>12594956
3 brought the rot and introduced everything that is wrong with the series.

>>12595056
At least play the game if you’re going to shitpost about it

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>>12599029
Gen 3 making sure every pokemon you caught would be gimped was a pretty shit choice when the old system was 100% better

>>12599034
I don't like berries. They're time gated, have randomness that I don't like, are resource limited and will spoil if not harvested.

All of the above could have been forgiven if either there was no spoilage or a department store alternative.

>>12599037
A low IV mon in gen 1&2 wouldn't be anywhere near a high IV mon, the game is easy enough for it not to matter that you're 8 points lower in stats at level 25 and 16 points lower in stats at level 50.

That said for a level 50 mon in a 100 stat that is 50+16+16 meaning 50 at worst, 66 for worst IV and best EV, and 82 for a perfect mon. It can be a huge difference.

>>12599037
Yes anon, we know gen 3 killed pokemon.

>>12599037
The gen1&2 way would be to catch multiple and use the best. That hasn't really changed.

>>12594956
>gens 1 and 3 are massively overlooked.
What? Both gens are currently more popular than gen 2. There's even a term for gen 1 fans with genwunners and gen 3 gets more praise than it should.

Not hating on any of these games, I played them all as a child and still go back to them with difficulty hacks to this day. But to say that gen 1 and 3 are overlooked is absolutely retarded.

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>>12599095
>gentooers