>>12600094
Bro they are all the same generic space shooter shit

>>12600094
Everyone thought the genre was outdated slop by the time the 90s began

>>12600104
The same argument can made about any genre DESU, most of everything is basically the same formula

>skill issue thread
Yawn.

>>12600109
bullet hell slop is easier than real shmups

Gradius III is actual garbage, completely unbalanced mess of a game they didn't playtest.

>>12600094
Pretty much everything you named is good though.

As someone who has cleared 100+ shmups (including tons of multi-loops, no-miss, and scoreplay), the best shmups I've played are:
>Tiger-Heli AC
>In The Hunt AC
>Batsugun AC
>Rayforce AC
>Sonic Wings AC
>Gun.Smoke AC
>Raiden II AC (original rom only, erroneously marked "easy" in MAME)
>OutZone AC
>1944
>Sine Mora (original)
>Jamestown+
>Skyforce Reloaded
>Jackal NES
>Shock Troopers AC


I'd still take Star Fox 64 and Sin & Punishment over any of those if we include rail shooters. Also twin-stick shooters are the natural evolution of shmups and far better than any shmupslop, man I fucking love Isaac Rebirth, Furi, Hotline Miami 2, Atomicrops, Geometry Wars 3, Dead Nation, Resogun, Nex Machina, Star of Providence, Fury Unleashed, Bleed 2, etc.

>>12600213
Go bacl to /v/

>>12600213
>Jackal NES

Based

Childhood is playing platformers
Adulthood is going back and playing all the shmups you missed

>>12600213
>console shmups count in the total
lol. what a coincidence none of the ones you count as "good" are considered hard

>>12600213
LMAO fucking casual

>>12600620
Why wouldn't console shmups also count? I mainly play arcade shmups there and 10/14 of those games I said I liked are arcade games... Also Gun.Smoke, Rayforce, 1944, Raiden II, Sonic Wings are some of the harder shmups out there.

I don't understand what you're trying to say, and I don't think you understand either.

>>12600094
>Truxton 2 and Raiden DX.
>no retrocheevo support
What the fuck makes you think I'm gonna play these?

>>12600630
>retrocheevo

>>12600628
design philosophy of arcade games is fundamentally different than console games

>>12600649
Not really, aside from being designed to siphon as many quarters as possible. Tons of arcade games got console ports anyways.

>No mention of Compile

>>12600649
>>12600620
Post clears. Rayforce no-miss, Sonic Wings 2all no-miss, Tiger-Heli 2all no-miss, Gun.Smoke no-miss, R-Type 2J 2all nomiss, Daisenpuu 2all no-miss. All of these far harder than any clear you've ever done shitter.

>>12600628
the fact that you put batsugon next to those makes it look like a larp

>>12600657
>I only clear kusoge
I'm new, my clears are these
Mushihimesama original
magical chase normal
nostradamus easy
donpachi 1-all

>>12600657
>>12600667
what is nomiss, 2all, 1-all, etc

>>12600661
Batsugun is fucking awesome, what?

>>12600671
nomiss = never die
some games have multiple loops, 1 / 2 all says how many loops
>>12600675
But it's substantially easier. Babbies first clear

>>12600963
Substantially easier than what? I said those are my favorite shmups, not the hardest shmups you fucking autistic retard.

>>12600094
Yeah I think I don't like shmups until I remember I beat Gradius 3 on super nintendo before I hit puberty.

>>12600123
True

>>12600667
The guy you're responding to is a liar and has not played any shmup. Welcome to /vr/.

>>12601168
anyone can claim to have 1cc'd any game online

These are the best shmups I've played, in order:
>Robo Aleste
>Galactic Attack
>Judgement Silversword
>Darius Gaiden

These kinda suck:
>Keio
>Air Zonk

>>12600094
Treasure is an incredible company that made some of the most exciting action packed games ever created. Gradius V, radiant silvergun, and ikaruga are all phenomenal shmups.

>>12601243
And you haven't cleared a single one of them, poser faggot.

Sin & Punishment is great, but the rest of their catalog is shit.

Why is ricmaria still on this website?

>>12601243
They also made WarioWorld for the gamecube
>>12601267
>>12601168
You're right

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this is my objective top 16 shmups and if it offends you, you need to repent and git gud

>>12601376
if you didnt 1cc it you cant rank it

>>12601379
I cleared all those and many more nephew

>>12601267
So if you didn't clear a game you don't have a right to enjoy it? This board is ridiculous.

>>12601445
No, it's just ricmaria off his meds and with a new audience since /shmupg/ ended.

NES/FC/FDS SHMUP tier list

>God Tier
Gradius II
Gyruss
S.C.A.T

>High Tier
1943
Crisis Force
Falsion
Gradius
Life Force
Over Horizon
Parodius da!
Starship Hector

>Good Tier
Abadox
Cosmic Epsilon
Dragon Spirit
Gun.Smoke
Gun*Nac
Legendary Wings
TwinBee
Moero TwinBee - Cinnamon Hakase wo Sukue! (Stinger)
TwinBee 3
Section-Z
Silver Surfer
Tetra Star - The Fighter


>Okay Tier
Fuzzical Fighter
Talespin

>Low Tier
Insector X

>Shit Tier
1942

Only what I beat, not counting hybrid games like Robocco Wars and Xexyz. I don't consider Jackal a SHMUP either, as opposed to Gun.Smoke which is one, the autscrolling is the difference

>>12601520
Where is Zanac on your list? I would rate Gradius over Gradius II for NES honestly. I think the original Gradius is the best shmup on the NES.

Gradius II was technically impressive but as far as NES versions go, the gameplay of Gradius just felt so much more fluid and dynamic. Just a classic.

I just got Raystorm in the mail and no one is saying its good :')

>>12601537
>Where is Zanac on your list?

Never beat it, at least not yet. It's true that Gradius is very fluid, great pacing

>>12601627
I didn't play Gradius II much, but from what I did play, I hated the solar flares part on the first level and if you died you were completely fucked. Like every Gradius game but here it felt worse. The solar flares part was the gayest part of Life Force so I didn't enjoy seeing it return. This is the only version of the game I have played though, so I reserve this judgement only for the NES version.

>>12601646
gradius 2 is great, just take your time and learn each stage

>>12601445
>So if you didn't clear a game you don't have a right to enjoy it
It's impossible to enjoy a game and not clear it. In no other genre would this be acceptable. This place is genuinely odd.

You can look at what someone says and what they praise and tell they haven't played anything. Like no one is screeching about CAVE being "memoslop" then praising gradius 3. That makes zero sense. The entire game is hard memo, there is not a single second of actual dodging. And CAVE games in general have extremely lenient memo.

I don't know what the point of these threads are when it's just third worlders going
>here's my tier list of box art for games I haven't even played

>>12600654
It goes to show that these larping faggots don't know what a well made classic shmup looks like.

>>12601376
>>12601404
Ric theories btfo once again

>>12600123
Yeah pretty much this. Absolutely unplayable trash, easily the worst Gradius game.

>>12602121
SHMUPs are garbage, play JRPGs and Roguelikes instead

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I 1CC'd Batsugun Special Version, probably the easiest arcade shmup of all time. Can I post here now?

>>12603019
Asuka & Asuka is the easiest arcade shmup
>>12602102
Exactly. If you didn't beat the game you dont even know whats in it.
>>12601404
Sure you did, me too

>>12600213
I have played a lot of these and some of these are really good like Batsugun and Sonic Wings but why the hell would you include Shock Troopers as a shmup? Also you purposefully excluded any shmups made by CAVE because you're a piece of shit. You simply don't want to admit that CAVE is amazing because it's popular. So what if it's popular and the normies love it? It's still great and the fact you don't have Ketsui in there is a crime. Fuck you, you disingenuous piece of shit.

>>12600213
Outzone isn’t a shmup

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Here's my opinion on shmups, and what they say about people's taste in them. Like there's very clearly a type of shmup that appeals to someone who only has a surface level appreciation of the genre, that are trying to assign value to nostalgia over credit feeding or trying to be collector hipsters. When looking at console shmups, or doujinsoft, appearance is generally inversely proportional with quality. These people take great offense at the prospect of people actually wanting to play the games despite shoving their taste on everyone, and throw tantrums when games are actually discussed. And then you'll get these weird boomer grifters who are like "look at this picture of this beer I bought with a bee on it to celebrate my DDP 1-ALL journey brothers, see you in 3 months when I'll upload a video of myself retard flailing through the game and not clearing with an intro of 80s movies clips patched together over punk rock". And conversely, there is a type of autist who will try to pass themselves as having a varied take on the genre while only playing shovelware with a graze mechanic, like they'll say people don't try other games enough then solely play games that are basically just touhou clones. Like I'm playing 20 different kinds of shmups and you're telling me to play nothing but graze shit with extensive boss milking.

Basically kill everyone in this thread

>>12603070
didn't read any of this trannybabble

>troonbird

>>12600094
It's always Cavetroons who spam and shit up and board

>>12601267
>triggered
Maybe you need to dilate?

>>12603070
based

>>12603047
I just don't like CAVE shmups faggot, kys

>>12601376
this is one of the best lists ive seen here and lmao at Sisters Royale being mentioned

>>12603070
>not everyone is a shmup purist like me who always does their homework and stays perfectly on topic in all shmup discussions!!!
Yes, some people go bowling once a month, others twice a year. You practice everyday, congrats and good on you brother but don't try to gatekeep the rest of us who enjoy doing a 5CC or 2CC now and then

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>>12601376
>>12603143
Sisters royale is just Shikigami no Shiro reskin, by the way what do anons think about castle Shikigami series? Besides the funny english version.

>>12603070
You are a shitter poser with no clears, fuck off troon

>>12603146
In my experience most shmups only take a few hours to clear, and many of you are incredibly retarded. Like people will praise a psikyo shmup and not even clear em when it takes literally like 4 hours to 1-all those games. Remember when people were playing batrider in here and saying that shit was impossible? That game is like 5% routing, 95% of the game is mowing down popcorn and medaling.

>>12603151
>Like people will praise a psikyo shmup and not even clear em when it takes literally like 4 hours to 1-all those games
Most people aren't bombspamming cowards happy with a low score 1-all. What's even the point of that?

>>12603154
>Most people aren't bombspamming cowards happy with a low score 1-all
That's exactly what most people are lmao

>>12603154
How else am I going to check them off my list and move on to the next shitclear as fast as possible?

>>12603158
Most people just credit feed, posers get a "clear" like that and pretend the genre is the greatest thing ever to exist. It's like playing Smoke on the Water and saying you love guitar.

>>12603154
>Most people aren't bombspamming cowards happy with a low score 1-all
Where's your 2-ALL? And psikyo games give you a trillion bombs. You get 1 bomb a stage minimum. And most psikyo games have terrible scoring systems. And why include gunbird 1 when it has a totally borked 2nd loop roulette with the train level, or sengoku ace when the 2nd loop is just the first loop with more safe spots??? It's just odd.

Anons are discussing generic space shooters

this is the same troon who was crying about psikyo games being "cbt" nonstop a few months ago

>>12603151
*yawn*

yep yep, sure thing buddy. now post clears shitter or fuck off

this is the same troon who had a melty spamming and ban evading a few months ago

>>12603163
>sengoku ace when the 2nd loop is just the first loop with more safe spots??
Not a true statement, and you are a poser faggot. post your 2all no miss.

>>12603167
No I'm not, I like psikyo, which is why I know how the games work. Sengoku Ace is a horrendous game to play for score. Your score entirely hinges on getting Raijin to spawn twice and getting the train level twice and also not getting fucked by rng in the train level and also not getting the wrong final boss to spawn and also not getting shitty power up spawns on stage 7. The whole game is a slot machine.

>>12603137
And THAT'S exactly how I know you didn't really 1cc all those games and that's exactly how I know that you don't actually play SHMUPS. Thank you for proving my point. Goodnight, you lying piece of shit, I have to work tomorrow.

CAVE games are not retro BTW, most of them at least

>>12603174
>you aren't a true shmup fan unless you suck off CAVEshit!!
I've cleared one CAVE game (Mushi nomiss), and it was a miserable slog the whole way.

>takes screenshot of 1cc
>"huh, I bet randos on the internet will suck my dick seeing this"

Personally I refuse to ever use an arcade stick. It's like fondling a robot penis.

>>12600213
>1944
Based taste in shooting games

>>12603178
Donpachi through Deathsmiles are all retro

>>12603162
What do you think was going on the entire arcade and pre-PS1 era?

These are video games anon, you are allowed to play and enjoy them.

>>12603164
They are being faggots actually.
>No mention of Compile
>Nothing but:
>Le wunseesees
>Le too-alls
>Le wun-alls
Like tasteless knuckle dragging apes kek.

>>12603179
incoherent statement

>>12603507
Or you're an ESL retard?

>>12600213
You literally put Atari and NES games but not a single CAVE or Treasure game

>>12604306
Sin & Punishment is a Treasure game and their only game worth a damn. Jackal is incredibly fun. There are no Atari games there. And I do not enjoy CAVEshit at all.

Do you think 4chan is being shit up on purpose? Like sometimes I feel there has to be a government agency or billionare media corporation encouraging the creation and proliferation of schizos to undermine discussion. Like I've see genuine discussion outright deleted, I've seen people who post clears get their posts deleted, but this "I have over 100 no-miss 1ccs" guy has been shitting up threads for years. It's obvious this guy doesn't play any games, and is totally disinterested in playing games. Like if you discussed why the games are good or posted clears maybe people would play them. But no its just jerking off over box art and harassing everyone else until they leave. /vr/ is so dead that people are making fun of it now, so a mod can't be looking at this place and think he's doing a good job unless his goal is to just kill the board right?

I just don't get it.

>>12604419
No your posts just get deleted because you're a ban evading tranny shitting up the board

>>12604425
This doesn't answer any of my questions. This board is just so incredibly bad. Everyone is laughing at how bad it is. It's an absolute embarassment. This dude has gotten caught a billion times just blatantly making shit up and he's allowed to run free as he pleases. There are more schizos like this on this board than people playing video games. I don't know how anyone who actually cared about this place could let this happen.

>>12604427
>Everyone is laughing at how bad it is
No it's just you having a meltdown here and on /v/ tranny

>the spamming ban evading avatarfag tranny calling anyone else a schizo
luhmow

>>12604428
Man a lot of people are looking at /vr/ and going "whoa what happened". You can be in denial all you want but this is insanely bad right now. This is the worst it has ever been. And it's not just these threads, looks like stuff like the gauntlet threads got ran into the ground too. So just clearly a mod doing his absolute best to make sure no video games are played or discussed here. It's just nuts bro.

>>12604432
>Man a lot of people are
It's actually just you seething in multiple threads

>>12604430
And here's the crux of the mental illness. I'd bet a million dollars you're a janny.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/Luhmow/

>>12604419
He's literally posted his channel here before with all his extremely difficult cleara you dumb newfag

>>12604437
No he didnt

>>12604436
>It's a literal tranny pedophile with over ten thousand deranged posts
>this is who is policing threads
I am not even surprised.

>>12604436
>getting triggered because people used to bully you on /fgg/ with that word
I knew you would lil nigga

>>12604447
What are you even talking about? That's clearly one insanely mentally ill person. Looking through these posts is really something. I can't believe shit like this even exists.

>>12604443
>>It's a literal tranny pedophile with over ten thousand deranged posts
>>this is who is policing threads
correct https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/onii%20chan%20done/

>>12604432
Dramatic retard kek

>>12604451
Are they in this thread with us right now, schizo-kun?

>>12603173
>muh rng!!
so you're saying you can't beat the western world record?
https://youtu.be/7jzTl-jOaqo

>>12604454
yes we can tell by your autistic low vocabulary using the same phrases in every post

>>12604460
>we

you're very easily identifiable rambaretard

>>12604436
Isn't this that lain guy that groomed and raped a crossdressing black kid irl

>>12604458
that's an insane hard score on top of lucky rng no one is beating it anytime soon
>>12603173
but you can force the train stage with the right setup

rail shooters > shmups
i played ikaruga with the cheat code for infinite lives, so i've seen what the genre has to offer,

it looked really cool, but the 2d vertical view just isn't my style when it comes to gameplay, especially not compared to panzer dragoon and sin and punishment

>>12603164
true, and the occasional witch on a flying broom game

>>12601590
raystorm has good music, that's about it

>>12601267
1000% true

I refuse to play any shmup with moeshit. CAVE killed the genre.

>>12600106
we gotta respect electric underground for being the only youtuber that likes these games, i don't really get the appeal of vertical shmups in a post 3d world

>>12604495
real, moe has been so cursed for anime, touhou seems to have 1 adult character in the entire franchise

>>12604482
Ikaruga is overrated. As far as more modern shmups go, I prefer Cave. Their games just feel good to play.

>>12604397
sorry

>>12604482
don't forget the hidden gem starfox 64

>>12604432
I prefer /vr/ now over how it used to be, but other boards have definitely gotten worse.

>>12604567
>t. master system spammer

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>>12604495
>moeshit
>cave invented anime girls
Yeah bro you totally understand the japanese industry.
>>12604509
>"look these animefags molesting these drawings!"
>>12604589
Do anons like master system? I played a little, has it's moments. Shmup wise i got filtered by fantasy zone and finished aleste, aleste is kinda cool but could be a lot shorter.

>>12604563
starfox 64 would be better without the all range mode, but it is good, forced reverse controls are questionable, but they're growing on me, and the general vibes of the game are cool

>>12604567
>I prefer /vr/ now over how it used to be
jesus

its so funny how transparently obvious it is that very few of you actually play shmups just from how you guys talk about them. imagine going into a retro platformer thread and seeing people complain that super mario bros 3 had too much backtracking and puzzles, or that Doom 2 sucked because because the enemy animations were too distracting.
why even larp a genre nobody gives a shit about, just go post on /v/ about whatever dogshit is popular right now if you want to pretend to be an elitist with refined taste.

you're seething so much tranny

why larp as a woman? you have y chromosomes and a five o clock shadow while smelling like feces

>>12604608
It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.

8bit and 16bit shmups are better than CAVE shit, this is a retro board and retro always wins

>>12604567
Same

>>12604665
it's amazing how much you can vaguepost in one sentence

>>12604545
Ikaruga has a fantastic sound track, art, and fun and unique gameplay. It deserves its reputation.

what's your opinion on Macross shmup on the snes folks

>>12604715
You're right, But the problem is that it's a "gimmicky" game that people who don't like the genre play just to larp. Many Treasure games have this problem where the mechanics are intrusive to the original genre. The only one that benefits from this, (considering i still didn't played gunstar heroes), is Alien Soldier.

>>12604419
Mariax, ricmaria, whatever you want to call him, was a regular on /shmupg/ when it still existed on /vg/. When these shmup threads started popping up regularly here on /vr/ he migrated over. He wasn't the only shitposting schizo our general had, either. No moderation whatsoever. It looks like the same problem is going to happen here. It's already becoming /shmupg2/ with the same cast and everything.

>>12604432
>So just clearly a mod doing his absolute best to make sure no video games are played or discussed here.
Possibly. Or a janny. Either way, it drives post engagement up so no one is going to do anything about it. Same as "auster" or the "muh appletooz in japon nes mini assembler" schizo. Although at this point it looks like the latter is just another one of auster's shitposting personas.

>>12604437
No, you haven't.

>>12604952
Yeah that's kind of how I felt. I wanted a shooter but instead it was kind of different, a unique twist that sort of altered the experience I was looking for and not in a way I really wanted.

>>12605387
not alot of people on 4chan play shmups, so it makes sense to see the same people, as much as i don't like shmups, games could benefit from more arcade sensibilities, imo flight based games are better on rails, it's not really much of a game to be flying around in circles trying to hit one enemy, and it's unfortunate that this has become the more popular flight based game design

>>12601376
I think if you *really* play shmups for fun and not just for imaginary elitism, you naturally end up really attached to some mit tier jank at the top like Sisters Royale so, respect for keeping it real.

Good job banning the faggot on /v/ last night but you need to start deleting shmup threads on sight

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Do japs really?

>>12604952
But alien soldier is a braindead baby game precisely because of the dash. All the interesting movement and tech you'd find in a typical run n gun or platform is replaced with the 2D equivalent of a dork souls dodge roll. Casual boomers love this one.

I'm not a shmup fanatic, but I feel like I've played a decent amount. Despite that, it's hard to even pick a favorite because you're doing the same shit in all of these games (except Ikaruga I guess) so the question of which one do I like most comes down to art aesthetic music and not much else.
From that point of view, it's not even close. Touhou's music blows everyone out of the water
But playing Touhou is also autism shit

One game sticks out as a game where I was just having a ton of fun without really knowing how to explain why. MUSHA. MUSHA, baby. Try it if you haven't. Idk it all just clicked for me and I had a great time with MUSHA

Then I also gotta make an honorable mention to Gunbird, a game that's just very whimsical in a way that I like. It's just a freaking Strikers 1945 clone, but the plot and characters are like something out of a 90s anime and so it feels like you're playing through some saturday morning anime show.

>>12606492
I woudn't day braindead baby game since it's a perfectionist game. I think pocky & rocky (kiki kaikai) is less gimmicky
>>12606154
Why shmups cause so much butthurt? are anons mad because they can't enjoy niche games?

>>12606520
You are just being casual just for saying "doing the same shit" a lot of shmups are extremely different by design, obviously you will think that if you are playing the same gradius clone over and over or the the same toaplan clone over and over
>touhou is autism shit
It's the easiest one to learn and finish also the gameplay is casual enough to have fun soon instead of getting stressed by hitting some skill check wall early. You clearly don't like shmups only larp.

>>12606520
>It's just a freaking Strikers 1945 clone
Not really, Gunbird precedes Strikers. It's more like Sengoku Ace but better. Gunbird 2 is when things really heat up, because they add the melee strike which totally changes everything and psikyo stage and boss design gets hella good. It's a good middle ground between what comes after, because you have stylish back and forths between bosses rather than sitting around waiting for a tech bonus and the chaining system is both rewarding and punishes whereas in 1999 you only get a tiny bonus. Dragon Blaze and Space Bomber are probably their best scoring systems but those are way different, and the stages aren't as well put together as Gunbird 2 imo.

>>12606781
It's just AI having a hallucination. Report and ignore.

Is a Max Rank, no death run of Battle Garegga actually impossible, or do people mean “impossible” like so ridiculously hard nobody even wants to try?
Have people tried TAS runs to see if it’s possible? Or is it legitimately LITERALLY impossible?

>>12600094
Is Sol Feace any good?

>>12606915
This is the type of shit only a fake interest faggot who has never cleared a game in his life asks. Kys

Man, if shmup fans liked video games as much as they liked shitting on each other and being genuinely toxic, horrible, elitist gatekeepers, maybe there would actually be some nice discussion about these games instead of this absolute garbage fuckin thread

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Fuck Axelay.

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JRPGchads won

>>12606987
one thing I like about JRPG is your time investment is rarely thrown away. You play through the game once and carry your progress forward, start to finish .

but tryhard score runs, 1CCs, and speedruns feel dominated by timesink repetition...dozens of failed attempts in pursuit of one acceptable run. The payoff doesn't always justify the time spent anymore. I actually like learning a shmup or run n gun more than executing dozens of runs in order to get my 1cc or scores or time achievement

>>12606985
Axelay is mid carried by graphics.
>>12606987
I just can't understand JRPG fans, there's some really good out there, but the more recent are just mid story and a corridor pretending to be an open map, my favorite one is by far Phantasy Star for the Master system.
>>12607062
it's a stupid comparison. Yet i feel my time less thrown in the trash trying to 1CC touhou games than playing Far east of eden which i found pretty mid, it's not even bad, it's just okay.

This got really bad really quick, people are absolutely desperate to shove their off topic garbage in here

>>12607157
>it's a stupid comparison. Yet i feel my time less thrown in the trash trying to 1CC touhou games than playing Far east of eden which i found pretty mid, it's not even bad, it's just okay
Depends on the games and goal and your tolerance of throwaway runs.
I still do score or time runs out of habit, and sunk cost fallacy, but doing a chill jrpg playthrough sounds really good at this time

>>12607194
What do you get out of a jrpg lol, being "chill" isn't excuse when there's nothing praiseworthy about it. There's plenty of "chill" genres to play and you chose the worst one which is why you're desperate for validation. You aren't happy with keeping it to yourself, you feel guilty and need the approval of others in threads you don't belong in.

Video games are not for you if you just see it as "time investment".
A """"""failed""""""" run is never a complete failure because it's made of many small successes, and just showing up at all ensures I'm making progress. Sometimes I would get a better score or no miss a difficult section despite not clearing.

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shmups are a disease

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the fate of all shmuptrannies

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>>12607226
>>12607227
i could fix her

I miss when shmuptrannies would get their threads deleted and a 30 day ban. Oh well, I'll just have to make them unusable then.

>>12606563
>Why shmups cause so much butthurt?
You know why.

>calls others trannies
>acts like one

>>12607204
This is cope and projection on your end. I didn't say any of that, ofc other genres can be chill, but RPGs are chill too, they save progress and respect your time and don't have the problem if cycling through tons of throwaway runs that feel like a huge waste of time.

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Why is the PSX longplay 1h and Saturn longplay 1h40? Are they the same game or not?

>>12607194
So we play differently, I'm a low-level player, so I think in terms of survival runs, not scoring runs.

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>>12607247
I suppose it's because they're noobs who get annoyed at being left out of the discussion, just like when talking about a retro game that isn't "nostalgia loop".
>>12607227
>>12607226
>>12607240
>>12607250
Why is the samefag not banned for spamming in any thread related to shmup?

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>>12607226
>>12607227
why did ric thought screencapping his DMs with chum was a good idea again?

anyways, chum (and gus to an extent) is correct. there isn't anything wrong with playing video games for comfort (non-skill based games like JRPGs) but the important thing at the end of the day is self improvement and the scores (achievements) you have in this genre

>It easy to try to comfort oneself with lies and excuses such as that run being "good enough" or falling back on that "fun" bullshit. Ultimately, while these things might offer short-term comfort their veil will eventually dissipate to allow that awful sensation that is the realization of failure to poison the player's life. The decision to fight on offers no such comfort, only the hope that there is light at the end of that seemingly endless tunnel.

>>12607935
>nostalgia slop
Fixed.

>>12607945
Touhou posting is even more cancerous than the schizo, I'm not sure if you think people are gunna arbitrarily accept you or what but if you're gunna post this shit here I'm out. No one wants to talk about games anyways.

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I don't know anything about plaza because I'm not a retard who goes to sekrit club mgtow splinter servers but here's the impression I get
>every single person, without a single exception, who so much as joined this server took a bite of the poison apple and is completely corrupted
>people who play touhou are enormous faggots
>there is obviously a middle ground between credit feeding and pushing for a world record, if you enjoy a game and want to extend its lifespan with new routes (for higher score) that's respectable. playing kusoge to end up on a leaderboard is not respectable. yes completing a route is stressful, but that stress should be part of what makes a game fun

I feel the latter is especially important, because without accepting this fact you get fat retards like the ones in this thread who will praise bad games because it's less stressful to get a WR in. That's why the autists that flop in here are always praising garbage. You people are annoying and shouldn't be the authority on anything.

>>12608116
>sekrit club mgtow splinter servers
what is meant by this? like to oppose trannies or something?

>>12608256
>I cannot communicate with others in an open forum, I was removed because constantly schizophrenicly attacking people was making it difficult for others to discuss shmups
>my idea of free speech is a discord where I can schizophrenically attack and chase out people I don't like
And thus servers like plaza are born

These niggas don't know that even the best players who played for thousands of hours struggle and die non-stop, some games just don't become easy, the higher end of shmups is full of examples of such games

>>12608361
I see

>>12608438
too low I.Q for SHMUPs

>>12607164
terrible games inspire terrible behavior

>>12606987
they're playable, which is more than what can be said for shmups

>>12606781
i tried playing gunbird 2 and having to charge up a melee strike is bad design, this game is like sin and punishment if it were awful and only had minimal redeeming qualities

>>12607204
something closer to an actual game instead of particleslop and ragebait

>>12608870
>tried playing gunbird 2 and having to charge up a melee strike is bad design
You mean you got blown up every time you went close range because you didn't actually learn the game or route it lol

Common shitter complaint since you can't sit on the bottom of the screen all day

>>12608968
i don't mean that i mean literally having to wait to do a melee attack, after coming from sin and punishment star successor it feels like mario having to charge up before doing a jump, memorizing a game level by level in real time to beat it isn't good gameplay imo, this is a video game, not a quiz

it's like the opposite problem of gamedevs who want their games to be movies

>>12608968
also i'm assuming you have to complete the game to unlock morrigan, it's not awful, but i also wouldn't say not having her playable at the start makes the game any better

>>12600094
>filtered by danmaku

>>12608968
"Bad design" is a shitter dogwhistle. I watched the xplay review of P.N.03 and they spent the whole video bitching that you can't run and shoot at the same time, while in the background showing footage of them getting raped repeatedly by easy level 1 enemies. The shitter's approach to game design is to have everything with frictionless infinite speed movement and designated win now buttons that are unlimited use and trivialize the game

>>12609007
the difference is p.n.03 is actually good, the game is based off of the resident evil engine, so that's expected

>>12609012
both gunbird and pn03 are good. pn03 has a low skill ceiling but I enjoy it. a no-hit all professional hard mode run seems doable within 50 hours, after that there's not much reason to play. gunbird 1 & 2 are harder and progression is less obvious but the skill ceiling is way higher

>>12608973
This is unironically the dumbest post I have ever read on /vr/

>>12609031
i forgot, 1 hit mini deaths are awful in gunbird, it's unreasonable for a character to have to respawn after getting hit once, especially in a shmup, it just makes the game so much worse

these games are literally designed to be annoying, even the good ones

>>12609180
that's suprising

>>12600094
You are a SHITTER if you can't 1cc Turbo Force

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Damn do I wish Konami would do a remaster for gradius v

>>12609525
you're bad

>>12606256
What's the story here?

Shmupfags are such biter babies
Your genre is dogshit, get over yourself

>>12611552
you're bad

>>12611465
Never heard of replays mafia?

>>12611560
What's the shmuplore

>>12611552
this is true, the genre is just bad, imagine a genre that has only difficult games after the first few years of it's invention, alot of games are fun without having to be overly difficult

>>12611552
The only reason they play them is to feel good about their fucked up selves. No one talks this much shit about having pinball high scores.

>>12610872
It makes more sense to tell people to be speedrunners, then at least they can choose a game they like instead of being cordoned off in a very limited/limiting genre. Most people want levels and characters and stories and varied environments, all these things that make a game fun and exciting beyond memorizing geometric patterns of colored dots.

You're not telling people to play this shit cause shmups are good, you need them to make yourself more important. Otherwise, since you don't like games for their own sake, you have nothing.

>>12612078
>Most people want levels and characters and stories and varied environments
>people want things that are not video games
Maybe most people don't actually like video games, and a large part of the video game industry is trying to sell games to people who do not like games, as there are more people who do not like games than people who do like games.

>>12612103
TRVKE

>>12608973
you can unlock AINE with a code, and his melee attack is FAST as hell, huge damage, and just overpowered in general, But since the game is super balls hard he's worth playing on your first attempt/runs

Try playing AINE and STOP being a shitter

>>12609012
gunbird2 is light years ahead of pn03, its one of the best shmups ever made and thus one of the best games ever made and yes it filters shitters SUPER hard so most will not know the joy and pleasure of playing GB2 well

I am a big shitter, I can't even beat SMB1 without wraps/save states, so not like I am going to attempt any shmup

>>12612361
there are shmups easier to 1cc than smb1. can play asuka & asuka, cotton, or magical chase for example

>>12612401
Awesome !

>>12612183
>you can unlock AINE with a code
NTA but for me this doesn't work. I tried the codes that supposedly add him and he doesn't appear on random select. The cabinet just resets after exiting the debug menu and I get nothing. It works in strikers 1999 so idk what I'm doing wrong.

>>12612078
For me it’s always been arcade style action games. As an adult I want high-skill, high-density games. No fluff, no bloat, no menus, no inventory spreadsheet cosplay, no long cutscenes where you’re barely playing, no traversing a map passively with no threat -- or braindead trash encounter threats. I want constant risk, decisions and execution.

Games like D&D Tower of Doom, Rayforce, Doom 2, Super Ghoul's n Ghosts, NInja Gaiden ( mostlynot shmups but the same design philosophy) aren’t repetitive to me, they’re demanding. You replay them to get better, learn routes, manage resources, tighten execution, figure out better enemy strats, and eventually clear them clean. The goal isn’t “seeing content,” it’s the 1CC, no-continue, deathless run of a game that has fun mechanics.

Beat ’em ups, run n guns and also SHMUPS aren’t about novelty. They’re about mastery. People will dump thousands of hours into fighting games, FPS, or RTS that look “repetitive,” because they’re actually dense, deep, and skill-driven. A lot of traditional RPGs just swap enemies, quests, and dialogue and call it variety, but it’s mostly superficial.

tl;dr even mediocre arcade games are superior, have more replay value than any other genre especially story-driven games, rpgs and "progression" skinner-box games where loot and character building matter more than player skill.

>>12612528
>I want constant risk, decisions and execution.
We get it, you're a dopamine-fried retard.

>>12611620
I play shmups for fun Co op. Having almost every shmup thread devolve into "you didn't really beat it unless you 1cc" it is tiresome. No other genre does this either. I've never had someone tell me I didn't really beat let's say viewtiful Joe or Mario bros or whatever because at one point I lost all my lives and had to continue. Games are supposed to be challenging but fun not a dick measuring contest on well you can memorize levels.

>>12612583
If you lost all of your lives you have to start from square one

>>12612604
In many of the Mario games like 64 you just get kicked out of the level and have to go back in with the default amount of lives. In viewtiful Joe you just redo the level. So like imagine telling people they didn't really beat vj because they had to use continue on fire leo and restart the boss rush instead of killing him on their first try. Lol.

>>12612616
Also it takes WAY more time to get through games this way, I am sure retro vidya youtubers like SNES drunk constantly spam save states to get through their backblog in order to make videos on the games, not like they are NEETs either

>>12612583
if you use continues you didn't beat the game. it's not meant to dick measure on an anonymous board, it's meant so you can learn the truth about how the game was designed

>>12612558
>>12612636
you niggers with backlog mentality are ruining your own enjoyment of games. You see every game as a consumable snack meant to be rushed through and barely understood. Sit down with a game and play it how it's meant to be played. Your skill level transfers to other games and it opens up your potential to enjoy more games. No point in spending 5 minutes per game and moving to the next. This isn't tiktok.

>>12612658
You're wrong.

>>12612636
Emulation takes away some of the joy of playing old games because it gives you to many options.

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>makes the only good shmups
How did they do it?

>>12612558
I am afraid you don't like video games because that is what they are all about if we leave read 'em ups and movie-games aside

>>12612701
>every game MUST be nonstop button mashing with the only consideration being where to move your hitbox next
You have a very narrow, childish, and genuinely autistic view of what video games are.

>>12612689
I have never enjoyed a single Konami shmup and I like A LOT of shmups

>>12612706
Not your fault, I wish they never added the 6th generation to this board, but again I barely consider most of the 5th generation to be retro

>>12612725
I'm also trans btw

>>12612732
Every game should be the equivalent of a Tiktok video, I mean if it isn't 100% non-stop stimulation at all times, is it even entertainment?

>>12600094
I somewhat agree, but I don't think Gradius III is a good game. It's a fun game as long as you don't care about actually beating it, but it's not 'good'. Gradius, Gradius II, and the entire Parodius series are all much better and honestly Parodius Da! might be the peak of shmups as a genre

>>12612742
We know you zoomies always complain about Arcade games being too difficult for your brains that are too used to instant gratifaction and low skill celing.

>>12612756
Can every game just be memorizing a pattern while things flash on the screen? It would be peak gameplay density.

>>12612758
>What is spatial awareness

>be shmuptroon
>practice with save states so you can check the game off your backlog while playing it as little as possible and never play it again
>have to re-memorize every new game for weeks because there are no transferable skills, just memorization

>>12612762
We don't need that here, just memorize where to move the hitbox. Now that's peak gaming.

>>12612528
>Rayforce
you need to post some replays

>>12612765
You "play" read em ups where the "gameplay" is all about grinding and button mushing in some weeb anime "game".

>>12612770
On the contrary, I love hitbox memorization games. They're the only form of true gaming.

>>12612772
>memorization
I am still yet to hear a singe argument against this from shmup subhumans, it's like muzzdogs who memorize the entire quran by heart and think they are intelligent for it.

Jews are too intelligent to play shmupjeet slop

>>12612735
What's wrong with being trans?

>>12606256
gay as fuck

>>12612528
>ninja gaiden
>not repetitive

>>12612078
You are definitely non-player here for not knowing the jokes about this game. Really really exposed, I'm disappointed.

Insane how /vr/ is such a dogshit place to talk about arcade games (shmups, beatemups, fighting games, rhythm games). /vr/ is peak anti-skill and anit-getting good.

>>12613087
all of them are based on memorization and muscle memory, lazy, I prefer JRPGs

>>12612776
no one who has a single clear thinks it's about memo. it's the gayest shitter strawman

>>12613203
>has never cleared a single one
>all of them are X
yeah ok squirt. stick to your dora the explorer walking sims. one day when you're a big boy you'll have the balls to get your first STG clear

>>12613206
>no one who has a single clear thinks it's about memo
that's because they're coping hard after wasting so much time on memoslop

>>12613203
>you need to spend God knows how many hours of repetitive playtime, playing the same levels countless times over and over again until you perfectly memorize the levels and clear it without any save states/credit feeding to figure out it's not about muscle memory and memorization

BTW plenty of hard core shmup players admited the genre sucks and regret all the time they wasted on that genre

>>12613210
>wins
>copes
makes sense. stick to low IQ baby games

>>12613208
The shittiest JRPG holds more value than any coin-munching arcade-y title.

>>12613223
JRPGs are all about memo. You have to memorize the alphabet and the language of the game to play it.

>>12613227
Turn-based rpgs have more potential to be engaging than hybrids or pure action games tb honestIn turn based games you're connected by your choices and thinking which is the highest form of agency a player can connect with because it's directly dependent on conscious deliberation and NOT automatic muscle memory. Think about an engineer approaching a physics problem or a detective trying to solve a murder mystery or think about yourself trying to fix a life problem by planning and preparation , every step is up to you, every wrong deduction is on you. This is far closer to expressing your willful agency than performing combos or dodges in an hybrid rpgs or action game because those''actions'' depend A LOT on unconscious, automatic muscle performanceWhen the player sits back and plans deliberately he has time to weigh options and calculate optimal scenarios, the solutions depend on his conscious thought process not his twitchy muscle memory. This is actually more freeing and connected than the action game player who has to hope his muscle memory and twitch reactions have been programmed to perform almost automatically and execute the combos, the head-shot or execute the dodge fast enough, often faster than he has time to consciously ''think'' about If you can't connect with good turn-based strategy games it means you can't connect with being a decision maker, with being a thinking agent at all. Maybe you're indecisive? Maybe you're very low IQ and also impatient? Maybe you have autism AND ADHD? Instead of being the thinking General you want to opt for being the automatic foot-soldier, preferring gameplay that is more about rote muscle memorization and conditioning your body to perform memorized actions (1/2)

>>12613234
>>12613227
[almost unconsciously] rather than actively choosing each and every choice you make and thinking in real time. It's strange to find action game numbskulls praise action games over high IQ turn strategy games single player action games have this problem no matter if they are good or bad. Most of their problems vastly emphasize muscle memory performance over real-time thinking and strategy imagine being a janitor who has to clean the same toilets, of the same theater, every day, in the same order, under a time limit.

(2/2)

>>12613237
>>12613234
>>12613227
TLDR: turn based games have the potential to require thinking and strategy, instead of mindless twitchy reactions OR mindless muscle memory drills.

>>12613234
>>12613237
not reading that copeypasta. I'm really happy for you, or it sucks that that happened or whatever

>>12613239
Literally irrefutable

>>12613241
Brevity is a sign of wit. The inverse is also true.

>>12613238
No, turn based requires memo. All you do is memorize the words in order to read and memorize the strategies in order to be able to consider them

>>12613247
>>12613238
Too bad you could not notice the TLDR

>>12613234
Jeez, JRPGs are the worst example you can give for strategic and tactical gameplay.

Why this nigga defending Jarpigs in a SHMUPS thread?

>>12613260
You know why.

>>12613206
I have more clears than anyone ITT and shmups are almost purely braindead muscle memory for autists

>>12613260
they are the defination of peak gaming unlike arcade genres

I have more clears than anyone ITT and jarpigs are almost purely braindead muscle memory for autists

Every one with no STG 1CC clears get out of this thread.

Now!

>>12613282
The thing is even if that were true, jarpigs have art, music, story, characters, exploration, and sense of adventure. Shmups are truly the most bottom of the barrel barebones genre for autistic fags

>>12613301
>art, music, story, characters
Shmups have this too. Less so on the story but definitely art and music, characters too sometimes. Just go post in a JRPG thread instead of hating shmups, or try to play them once.Yes they are challenging and reward repetitious play but blasting through a game you know is incredibly fun. Way more replay value than an RPG which is a one and done deal, some of these games you can play forever and I don't necessarily mean the infinitely looping ones either.

>>12613273
The thing is even if that were true, shmups have art, music, story, characters, exploration, and sense of adventure. Jarpigs are truly the most bottom of the barrel barebones genre for autistic fags

shmup music isn't actually good

>>12613319
What shmups have you played? Music is especially important and cared for in this genre.

>>12613313
JRPGs have iconic and timeless soundtracks from talented composers, and their music lives on through generations. Shmups are basically some fart sounds recorded in a porta-potty, and even the most hardcore shmuptard would struggle to think of even one track in a shmup

>>12613319
Shmups have iconic and timeless soundtracks from talented composers, and their music lives on through generations. JRPGs are basically some fart sounds recorded in a porta-potty, and even the most hardcore jarpigger would struggle to think of even one track in a JRPG

>>12613335
Cho Ren Sha and touhou has epic soundtracks.

>>12613340
>troonhou

shmups have no iconic songs besides touhou. this is a fact

>>12613340
Agreed. And so do the cave games, and treasure games

>>12613354
>Still won't tell us what other shmups he's played
CRS68k isn't known for it's soundtrack, it's still ok though. There is much better.

>>12613364
He has a stage 2 Dodonpachi clear but then he got his anus torn apart so viciously by stage 3 he had to resort to eternal copeypasta spamming on anonymous imageboards for the rest of his life

>>12613340
>*hou
Get out!

Every board must be entirely rpgs. You definitely shouldn't be suspicious that 90% of every board is rpgs. It's not weird that every board is getting slower and more and more rpg threads are being spammed.

>tranny has a schizo delusion

>>12613364
Everyone who actually likes the game always mentions the music. It’s not “known for it” because everything else about the game is also excellent.

>>12613406
Why do we have to share the earth with these fucking piggers man

>>12613406
RPGs really are a far and away better genre than basically everything else, it's not even fair.

>>12613436
Roguelike-Sims are the only genre that I would put above them, nothing can even comes close to what Dwarf fortress or Caves of qud can offer.

>>12613346
>>12613372
Nostalgiafags larping and crying.

>>12613454
For me it's the VN

>>12613317
>shmups have art, music, story, characters, exploration, and sense of adventure
only touhou

Feels so good being a JRPGchad.

>>12613529
Yep. I only need to wake up and remind myself daily. Hourly, actually.

What is wrong with memorization?
even learning languages is all about memorizing patterns

>>12613319
Counterpoint
https://youtu.be/wpjIY58gD3Q

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What considered a shmups a retro shumps? Is Crimzon Clover retro already?

Any VARIETYGODS ITT that play a wide spectrum of everything?

>>12615204
If you can't switch between horis and verts, danmaku and dad trash, can you even call yourself a fan?

The weird "I don't play horis" crowd still mystifies me.

>>12612183
>aine
he doesn't look very cool, in games with different characters i prefer using whichever one is closer to a self insert

>>12612045
lol

>>12612401
magical chase isn't easy

>>12612583
every game is better with a friend

>>12612701
i genuinely don't like alot of games, but i don't like cozy games either

>>12612770
honestly true, most jrpgs get really boring in the middle of the game

>>12613213
based

>>12613354
touhou songs are unique, they're not bad, but they're certainly noy good

>>12615267
>The weird "I don't play horis" crowd still mystifies me.
I see where they're coming from
>>12615805
1cc'd magical chase gbc in a couple of hours and it was my second 1cc ever

>>12615851
i played the pc engine version, the gb version doesn't have the cool music so there's no point

I will never forgive Sony for killing true gaming