So Sonic Team said they were sick of making Sonic games and that they weren't going to make one for the Saturn until they got their dream project out the door, and Sega just... let them do it? I don't hate NiGHTS, but imagine if Shigeru Miyamoto said "Eeeeh we're getting tired of making Mario games, just go give Mario 64 to the guys who made Hotel Mario while we go make Pikmin instead".
>>12600693>we're getting tired of making Mario games, just go give Mario 64 to the guys who made Hotel Mario while we go make Pikmin insteadSolid plan actually.
>>12600693But Miyamoto did that on the Gamcube, giving not just Mario but Zelda as well to incompetent directors and that's how we got Wind Waker and Sunshine killing the GameCube.The only one that did his fucking job cotrectly was Sakurai. I don't know who the fuck approved Luigi Mansion as a launch title taking priority over a mainline Mario game but that was dumb as he'll too.
>>12600693Based. Sega were always good for this.
>>12600693>"Eeeeh we're getting tired of making Mario games, just go give Mario 64 to the guys who made Hotel Mario while we go make Pikmin instead".Isn't that how Sunshine got made
riddle me this, non-believers if NiGHTS is so unimpressive then why can't I find a single example of a game with as smooth and dynamic a camera system prior to its release?
We really have no other topics?
>>12600802>A good camera is the only reason a game is good or notretard
>>12600693>imagine if Shigeru Miyamoto said "Eeeeh we're getting tired of making Mario games, just go give Mario 64 to the guys who made Hotel Mario while we go make Pikmin instead".I would have had a lot more respect for him if that was the case. Legacy franchises are cancer and the reason gaming today is in the sorry state that it is. Making products about the brand™ suffocates artistic expression.
>From the mind of Yuji Naka
>>12600693sega usa was working on sonic x-treme.sega japan was working on sonic adventure until they realized saturn was fucked.sonic jam's 3d hub world has sonic adventure leftovers with unused sa1 animations for sonic.
>>12600862Would GIANT COCK have saved the Dreamcast?
>>12600862“We want to come up with the new Mario-killer mascot character. We want everyone to come up with an idea.” I watched them pick the winners. I watched Yuji Naka steal credit for it"https://www.sega-16.com/2026/05/interview-mike-fischer-soa-product-manager-vp/
>>12600862This is what you get what you take a typical sperg programmer and inflate his ego by unjustly giving him too much credit for a popular franchise
>>12600862>he's now a convicted felonit was just some insider trading boo hoo nigga
>>12600693Yeah Sega's always been kind of a fucking weird company>>12600702Design-wise Wind Waker is great, it's just the context of following the much darker Ocarina of Time that fucked it.
>>12600908mike sounds like a faggot and chad naka raped him
>>12600702>Luigi Mansion as a launch title taking priority over a mainline Mario gamethey obviously wanted sunshine to be a launch title dumb shit, but the game wasnt ready (even when it came out it was rushed) and nintendo had massive FOMO about the ps2 and xbox coming out first so they werent going to delay the cube any longer. yeah you can still blame nintendo for not getting their shit together in time but luigis mansion was never intended to be a flagship launch game. and in retrospect none of it mattered, no one even remembers the shitty ps2 launch games.oh and sunshine and wind waker are both amazing games that only brown thirdies hate on. yes theyre worse than the 64 titles but still BTFO any games on brownstation jew in the same genre.
>>12600693but you're also ignoring the fact the saturn hardware could not have supported a sonic adventure game, and nights is much simpler. and even then the sonic adventure games are very mid compared to 3d mario and zelda, it simply not a game that translates well to 3d.
>>12601012>much darker Ocarina of TimeHoly shit you're such a fucking dumbarse. Wind Waker has a much more sophisticated plot while OoT ironically has even more slapstick and stylised character animations than the game that's meant to look like a bloody cartoon. Every Ocarina NPC pisses me off because they flail their arms around like they have fucking issues, I wish I could kill them all Elder Scrolls style. The idea that Ocarina is "dark" (let alone more so than Wind Waker) can only be the delusions of a mindbroken N64fag who's spent the last 30 years projecting something more grandiose onto Ocarina than the game actually corroborates.
>>12600693>said they were sick of making Sonic gamesThat's not how it happened. Sonic was seen as STI's responsibility. When Yuji Naka moved back to Japan he wasn't involved anymore and had to make his own IP.
>>12601029Ok fagalor, let me clarify; Ocarina of Time is both visually darker in a literal sense, and also just tonally darker. It's not edgelord dark or anything, but Wind Waker is light as a cloud by comparison. That's not say OoT is never goofy or anything, but shit like the redeads, the bad future castle town, the well, and so on put it on a different level than WW.
>>12601070>redeadsSomeone post the pasta
>>12600862I don't like Yuji Naka but this Mike guy sounds even worse.
>>12600845They did make Pikmin though, without having to sacrifice the business like Naka did.
>>12600693Not that big of a deal if Sonic X-Treme came out. Everybody knew not making a Sonic game would be a stupid decision. They just left the development to the burger dev team STI (without Naka), that had already developed Sonic 2, 3 and Spinball. However the burger team without being under the guise of the nips couldn't develop the game in time, and it was therefore cancelled. I hate Naka but it's not like he just went on to follow his artistic visions before helping SEGA with what they really needed at the moment.
Not retro but why did the Wii sequel of Night into dreams was so poorly receivedI liked the first night but i don't know if i should try the sequel
>>12603869>Not retro but why did the Wii sequel of Night into dreams was so poorly receivedThe original was an arcade game. Short, focussed and the goal was to git gud and beat your high scores. The Wii sequel added cutscenes, missions, janky platforming sections and it caused the actual flying Nights traditional gameplay to fly by in a flash while the additions just seemed to drag.It's far from terrible, I played it through twice and don't regret it. But it's not a good sequel
>>12600693Just fuck off with this spam, why won't the janitors IP ban this israeli mossad agent pushing this anti-saturn psyop
>>12603869bloat, atrocious cutscenes with horrible voice acting(nights is a british woman), desaturated dumbed down aestheticsdo not play it. if anything listen to the soundtrack
>>12603928Rent free
>>12600693> Sega just... let them do it? And that's a good thing.That's the problem with this new generation, all you've known all your life are rehashes, remakes, sequels and the likes. Even when something "new" comes out it's derivative.
>>12600802>Nights>smooth and dynamic a camera systemThe entire game path is fixed and so is all the camera. There's practically nothing dynamic about it.
>>12605789pure ignorance
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>>12605789play the game, retard
>>12600693Did anyone ever realise that when you play as Elliot and Claris in-game, you can just fuck on and wander around aimlessly in 3D rather than turning into Nights?
