I cant get enough of these games. any genre, style or time period.what are your favorites /vurr/?
Return of the Jedi, the 1980s Atari arcade game that seems I'm the only one who remembers it.
>*winsI know Zaxxon was a smash hit, but so many kids in my arcade couldnt cope with the flight mechanics of "up means down" on the joystick
>>12602551Good timing, I started playing D/Generation recently. Pretty cool action-puzzle game. I'm still getting used to the controls though, I started playing it using a controller but I find myself using the keyboard numpad more and more.
>>12602551Super Mario RPG
>>12602551sorry, wheres the 3D in that image?
>>12602605XYZ.babby level shit. you should be concerned
>>12602551Does this count?
>>12602619it does, excellent choice.
>>126026212 is definitely my favourite CRPG even if it has a more inferior plot to the original Fallout, the locations in this game blew me away.
>>12602616ok but where are the polygons in the OP? you should be concerned about that.
>>12602628This one is really good surprisingly!
>>12602768Its a faux-3d perspective but if we are being pedantic 3d games are translated to 2d images so doom is technically 3d
>>12602768>polygonsthose are hand-painted voxels, check and mate
>>12602631Damn it all, I got here too late!Based choice.
Mechwarrior 3050 baybeeeeee
I really like Light Crusader
Unironically my favorite 3D Sonic
>>12602551Q*Bert!
>>12602846FUTURE LA-COP also is excellent, in that note.
>>12602587You mean forward means down, back means up.
>>12602616This 3D game is one of my favorites. I can't even imagine how they pulled it off in 88, when years later SNES and even Saturn were struggling with 3D.
>>12603250I know you're just being a spergy autist but if gameplay takes place in 3 dimensions then yes it's a 3D game you pedantic neckbeard faggot.
>isometric games>no one has mentioned the Speccy
>>12603250remembering this scene triggers me for some reason
>>12603258That's most because we know exactly what's going to happen to the thread when we do.
>The first known isometric video game was probably Treasure Island by Data East, released in Japan in September 1981. It used isometric graphics in a vertically scrolling arcade game. But it was not widely known internationally at first.>The game most people historically credit is Zaxxon by Sega, released in Japan in late 1981 and internationally in 1982. It was the first internationally prominent isometric arcade game, and it made the style famous: a pseudo-3D shooter where the ship’s altitude mattered.>So I’d break it down like this:>First known isometric video game: Treasure Island — Data East, Japan, 1981>First famous / internationally influential isometric game: Zaxxon — Sega, 1981/1982>Early iconic static isometric arcade game: Q*bert — Gottlieb, 1982>First "true-feeling" isometric 3D home computer adventure - Ant Attack — Sandy White / Quicksilva, ZX Spectrum, 1983>Game that popularized the British isometric adventure style - Knight Lore — Ultimate Play the Game, 1984>The reason this gets fuzzy is that "3D isometric" can mean different things. Zaxxon and Q*bert use isometric graphics to create a pseudo-3D effect, but their worlds are still fairly constrained. Ant Attack is often treated as a bigger leap because it gave the player more freedom in an isometric 3D city space, including movement with more verticality.>My verdict: Data East did it first with Treasure Island; Sega made it famous with Zaxxon. If someone at the arcade says “first isometric game,” they probably mean Zaxxon. If we’re being pedantic-historical, it’s probably Treasure Island.
>>12602768>polygonsthose are two-dimensional figures that have no special connection to the depiction of 3D scenes, retard who does not know what "isometric" means
>>12602937I am suddenly reminded of this funful game
>>12603250Double Dragon uses 3D projection, though it's cabinet projection and not isometric. But tbf most isometric games in the thread don't use true isometric, but dimetric. But we colloquially call it isometric. Real isometric with 120 degree lines doesn't look as good and even on a pixely screen.
>>12602619 >>12602625Tactics was superior
>>12602817good choice. terrible "american" expansion pak.Syn Wars was so ugly compared to this.
>>12603484I never understand this orientation.
>>12603536I'd say it's an oblique projection, probably somewhere between cabinet (dimension on the diagonal halved in length) and cavalier (dimension on diagonal full length). The perspective in U6 looked better since it wasn't as elongated.
Rings of Power for Sega Genesis. Very janky, but I like it.
>>12603484Interesting. What kind of projection do these classic 3D games use? Is it 2 point?
>>12602625Fantastic game
>>12603484Pretty interesting.Love the "isometric look"
>>12603505I will definitely take your opinion into account and not immediately hide your posts, tripfaggot
>>12603484Thanks for clarifying! Made me reconsider my favorite example:>>12603193Asked the Google's Overview AI using your distinctions in the prompt and got this:[Future Cop: LAPD]is neither true isometric nor dimetric; it uses a true 3D perspective projection with a dynamic camera. [1, 2, 3] While it is frequently categorized as an "isometric" or "overhead" shooter due to its high, tilted-down bird's-eye view, the game features a fully 3D engine that handles depth, scale, and angles through realistic perspective rather than flat parallel lines. [1, 3, 4, 5] The Technical Distinction* Perspective Projection (Future Cop): Objects shrink as they move farther from the camera. The camera actively rotates, tilts, and tracks your X1-Alpha mech in real time through 3D space, which causes parallel geometric lines to converge at vanishing points. [1, 6, 7] * True Isometric Projection: A specific type of axonometric parallel projection where all three axes are equally foreshortened, and the angles between them are exactly 120 degrees. Lines do not converge, and objects maintain the exact same pixel size regardless of distance. [1, 8, 9, 10, 11] * Dimetric Projection: A parallel projection where only two axes have equal angles and foreshortening (commonly used in 2D pixel art games via a clean 2:1 pixel ratio to approximate an isometric look). [8, 12, 13, 14, 15]
>>12603403>those are two-dimensional figures that have no special connection to the depiction of 3D scenescool, so don't call it "isometric 3D" but instead just "isometric"
>>12604056Why the Confusion?During the late 1990s PlayStation 1 era, the gaming industry used the term "isometric" loosely to describe almost any top-down, fixed-angle, three-quarters view. Because Future Cop: LAPD evolved from EA's Strike series (which historically used flat, axonometric-style cameras), it inherited the distinct visual feel of an isometric game while rendering everything through a modern 3D perspective. [2, 3, 6, 8, 16] If you are looking to replicate or study this camera system for a project, you can simulate it in modern engines by positioning a perspective camera high above the player character, tilting it down roughly 45 to 60 degrees, and locking its relative offset.
>>12604056>>12604063SAUCE RECIPE:[ E X P U N G E D ]{sources, in link form, with indexing numerals, expunged because they are detected as spam, sadly}
Crusader no regret / no remorse, although controls are a little rough. Playable these days via dosbox or scummvm
any of the good ol' bullfrog games: Theme park, Theme hospital, Populous, DK..
>>12603880King's Quest and Maniac Mansion are interesting, they use 1 point or 2 point for the backgrounds (and sometimes illogical perspectives that don't follow any rules) but functionally they're parallel projections, since the character remains the same size regardless if he's in the foreground or background, he doesn't shrink when walking towards the back.
>>12603536>I never understand this orientation.It's basically the same as Prince of Persia, only rotated a little :^)
>>12604268xDDDD
Ultima 6 you say?I raise you with Mega Man X5. I'm pretty sure there is even a part in this corridor where you have 3 different perspectives at once but I can't find it on video
how can a game actually be 3d when your monitor/screen is only 2d?
>>12604332Axis.
This was a terrible game, but it looked really cool and the physics were impressive.
there are quite a lot of isometric 8-bit home computer games. some of which are good. head over heels pictured. Viewpoint on NeoGeo is good.
I don't think anyone has posted Sim City 2000 yet.
>>12604392>1912>building with a helipadhuh?
>>12604415they're planning ahead
>>12604415its for a zeppelin, the h stands for hydrogen
>>12604268ok that makes sense.
>>12604347the King of isometric puzzlers, that one
>>12602551>>12602625>>12602631>>12604039>>12602937>>12603404>>12604392SOVL
>>12602551Patrician 2 and 3 are very comfy
>>12604070>[ E X P U N G E D ]>{sources, in link form, with indexing numerals, expunged because they are detected as spam, sadly}the fuck?
>>12603210Yeah, whatever
>>12605653I tried sharing the sources to each assertion made by the LLM AI, in case people wanted to learn more about perspective. But kept getting the post flagged. Already shared the AI answers with footpage numbers, so I felt the need to clarify why I did not include sauce.
>>12603536What were they thinking momentReally
>>12602625goofy shit for redditors. Trash compared to F1.
>>12605964I'm guessing they wanted to keep using the same underlying square grid as the previous games. For an example of the opposite, look at StarCraft. With StarCraft they switched to isometric from WarCraft 1and 2's square grid maps. But they didn't remake the engine, so the isometric terrain and buildings actually consist of smaller square tiles:>when StarCraft switched from top-down artwork to isometric artwork, the background tile-graphics rendering engine, which dated back to code I had written in 1993/4, was left unchanged.>Rendering isometric-looking tiles using a square tile engine isn’t hard, though there are difficulties in getting things like map-editors to work properly because laying down one map tile on another requires many “edge fixups” since the map editor is trying to place diagonally-shaped images drawn in square tiles.>While rendering isn’t so bad, isometric path-finding on square tiles was very difficult. Instead of large (32×32 pixel) diagonal tiles that were either passable or impassable, the map had to be broken into tiny 8×8 pixel tiles — multiplying the amount of path-searching by a factor of 16 as well as creating difficulties for larger units that couldn’t squeeze down a narrow path.https://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/tough-times-on-the-road-to-starcraft/https://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/the-starcraft-path-finding-hack/
Skeleton Krew
>72 replies>0 RCT mentions>0 TTD mentionsthe fuck is wrong with you retards?
>>12602551I had never really thought about it but I guess I really am a simp for these games. It feels like everytime I play one it's kino.Yes, I like Sonic 3D
>>12603536It's "Military". The confusing thing is that the terrain is not oblique like the objects and people are. The terrain is just flat birds eye view
>>12604071I figured out a pretty decent control scheme for controller for this game. But then I realized the game demands a lot from aiming, and it became unusable. I think using a controller with touchpad it might be possible to have a good time.Or the new Steam Controller
>>12604268That's amazing
>>12606504Why don’t you contribute meaningfully then, instead of being a fat fucking /v/ tier spastic?
>>12606504we post games we like, instead of being huge faggots expecting others to do it for us
>>12602937It's my favorite Sonic 2D or 3D.
>>12602551Still one of the best Warhammer Fantasty games ever made and imho, more fun than Total War
>>12604071>>12606584I prefer playing it with the mouse plus left hand on numpad. You get the quick and precise turning with the mouse but can roll left and right with the numpad.
>>12606129It's true. Very wacky and zainy especially towards the end. Fallout 1 is much better. I still like 2 a lot though.
>>12603536I have always wanted to try Ultima but the perspective makes me want to vomit.
>>12608219Try Ultima 8. It's the same engine as Crusader and has cool decapitations.
>>12608218Yeah it breaks my immersion way too much, I honestly like it the least out of the mainline games, even 4 takes itself more seriously.
>>12608267U8 was the prototype that sucked.
>>12606129>>12608218>>12608384Maybe a mod could be made to make Fallout 2 text take itself seriously. Would that be possible or would entire areas/quests need to be remade?
>>12608619A lot of it is text, though there's also the talking deathclaws and other critters.
https://youtu.be/JJlBu9W3ADI?
>>12608726This game looked really nice for '89
>>12608726Yeah, that's a great arcade game.Solstice for NES and Mystic Towers for DOS are my two picks. Solstice was brutal-hard, but using a Game Genie with infinite lives and infinite magic I could eventually locate all the staff pieces and get to the end in about 3-4 hours. Could probably do it a lot faster if I actually used a map, but I was a kid and didn't care enough to do so. Mystic Towers is a decent exploration-based game, but it has a constant food timer so you have to be on the move and you will get more than a few deaths just trying to figure out where everything is and where you need to go.
>>12610149I really want to play Solstice but it filters me every time. It's a game where you really need to map the layout and routing>but using a Game Genie with infinite lives and infinite magicThere is a cheat in game for lives and to start with a lot of magic too, you don't need a game genie
No love for viewpoint on neo geo?Amazing graphics and music!
>>12603193I wasn't aware of this game. It looks awesome. Thanks!
Desperados
>>12602551Check this one out, OP. Darkmere. You'll love it.
SacredJagged alliance 2Robin hood legend of sherwood
The Troma Project is rad
>>12611676>Robin hood legend of sherwoodthe Commandos games seem to use the same engine.
>>12603536It's actually isometric. If you rotate 45° it becomes regular isometric.
>>12603536>>12614487
>>12611362One of my favorites, you wont regret it!
>>12614487>>12614493nvmIn isometric projection, all three spatial axes (X, Y, Z) are foreshortened equally, and the horizontal axes meet the picture plane at 30° angles. The projection lines hit the projection plane at 90° — it is a specific form of orthographic projection. In oblique projection, the front face of an object is drawn in its true shape (no foreshortening), but the depth axis is projected at a non-90° angle — typically 45° — to the picture plane. This is the fundamental difference: oblique projection violates the orthographic rule, while isometric respects it.The two subtypes of oblique projection are cavalier (depth drawn at full true length, which causes distortion) and cabinet (depth scaled to half, which looks more natural). The Tibia community has largely settled on Tibia using a cabinet-style oblique projection, where the vertical axis (depth/height) is shown at 45° with reduced scale, while the horizontal tile grid remains axis-aligned.
>>12602551Magic & Mayhem
>>12604268thats messing with my head
>>12608267such a beautiful engine, wasted desu
>>12602551Event Horizon Software/DreamForge had a couple isometric games: Dusk of the Gods, The Summoning, Veil of Darkness and of course Sanitarium.
There's not been a single 3D game posted ITT
>>12618453they're all 3D.
>>12618548Pixelated isometric orientation != 3D
>>12618613isometric projection is still a projection of 3D space
>>12602564I remember coming across this in the wild sometime in the 80's and being so excited because it was a Star Wars arcade game that *wasn't* the one with vector graphics. AFAIK Empire never got an arcade game at all so it was quite a wait for something new
>>12602551I remember there was an isometric game for the original game boy that took place on a spaceship where the MC was a guy in a space helmet and you played one room at a time. Anybody have any idea what game that was? I only remember faint impressions
>>12618613By that logic there are not any 3D games because a screen is still only a flat, 2D panel.
>>12618632Altered Space?
>>12602937The director's cut makes it even better.
Surprised no one posted Front Mission 3
>>12618647Whether or not game is 3D is not determined by the appearance but by the technology used.I know it's difficult to believe but da Vinci’s The Last Supper is in fact not a 3D painting.
>>12618453How do you feel about Hexplore?It's fully rotatable (around the z-axis) while also isometric.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mls7tEVCUBo
Airball was an enigmatic classic back when I was a kid
>>12618763Front Mission 1 -3. don't remember if the latter FMs still use rotatable isometric view.
>>12602551
>>12618926Akchually, I think only FM1 is truly isometric or dimetric while 2 and 3 use perspective projection but from an isometric-like viewpoint. I don't really think it matters though as long as it feels isometric.
>>12602631This, but on the SNES. No one's mentioned Landstalker yet?
>>12618901interdasting. RPG but controls like an RTS. reminds me of the RPG-like campaigns in WC3.and KnightShift/Once Upon A Knight, which no one played, and i frankly thought it sucked. made for Win95/98.https://www.mobygames.com/game/10636/once-upon-a-knight/screenshots/windows/55004/
>>12618963>but on the SNES.the console versions shrank the sprites and used less colours. also obviously less details than the OG DOS version.
>>12602846>fire PPC laser>it throws a ball of plasma over a wall.WTF is this game design?
>>12619004i have a thing for the Jaguar version but the slow downs are "bullet-time" tier. cool numpad shortcuts tho
>>12618901not the other anon, but its a very underated game imo. still never finished it though, i should fix that
>>12619001>>12619206It's simple but fun. And I love the voxel graphics.
>>12611676Beautiful
>>12603536>>12604268
>>12620305is that a bulldozer?
>>12614493When just rotated, it kinda looks like the perspective in Nox.
>>12602768You're gonna have a lot of fun in high school when you learn about the concept of an "image plane" and then discover that your screen is a flat plane...
>>12602768Polygons exist in 2D too, MS Paint had a polygon drawing tool. If you want isometric games with character models made up of 3D polygons where the three-dimensional coordinates of every vertex are stored by the game (which Wolfenstein 3D or Doom didn't have, since they used bitmaps for enemies) then Little Big Adventure did that.
>>12620305finallyu7 but good
>>12620305>>12622228I wonder if you could do that with Reshade. Probably couldWait never mind, the text would be fucked
>>12622241There's an Exult mod called Exult Rotate. I don't know how well it works though, I haven't tried it. And it only rotates the view 45 degrees, it doesn't scale the height like >>12620305
>>12618901Invictus also had an isometric voxel engine. And C&C Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 used voxels for units. Voxels work really well with isometric and parallel projections since you don't need to scale them. They stay the same size no matter what distance from the camera.
>overworked jaded borderline-alcoholic 35 year old>don't have the patience/care to play those gorgeous older isometric games, especially those text heavy crpgsThough I did enjoy stronghold hd remake recently, looking forward to trying that Warhammer dark omen game too
I hate how bad Shadow Sorcerer is while looking so good.
>>12602628>>12602780Literally me. Didn't expect to like it, but we rented this one multiple times
>>12603484No one care you autistic piece of trash. We call caleld them isometric games growing up while you never played games or had friends. Don't reply to me, I'm recursively filtering your post and everything that replies to it including this.
>>12602551Snake Rattle 'n' Roll
>>12614598>Magic & Mayhem I want a remaster so damn bad. Don't change anything visual, just make it work on modern Winblows, raise the shitty framerate (I understand it was a stylistic choice, but it still looks ass), and convert the CD Audio tracks to .aac or some other lossless format (since optical drives are few and far between).
>>12619004The minimap was also pretty crap in the console versions.
>>12618661That was it, thank you.
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 on GBA rules. It's amazing how much it matches the main PS1/etc version gameplay-wise. I swear they squeezed the same exact physics code in there. THPS2 GBA had the benefit of being made after the main version, so it could be used as a reference. All the other GBA Tony Hawks were developed at the same time as the main version, so they don't match nearly as much as 2 did, but they're still fun in their own right. My favorite besides THPS2 is THUG1.
>>12623013Also, the same engine was used for Jet Set Radio's GBA port.
Battle Bugs
Escape From The Planet of The Robot Monsters
>>12614565I loved 16-colors DOS A-Train but have to admit it also looks good and is readable in B&W.
Anno 1602 also looks super comfy.
>>12602551Always loved Cadaver's looks
