>levelling becomes increasingly slower as you progress and this was appealing design how
>>12616408"number go up" autists are the worst.just play the game FFS does reaching level 100 really matter?
>>12616408Because it makes sense? If you want to get stronger over time you need to lift heavier weights and if you want to conpete against others who are higher skill level you need to apply higher level training. As for gameplay if all xp requirements were the same all obstacles in the game would become completely worthless as you can just one hit kill one enemy and get a level every time.
>>12616432actually you can still lift lighter weights and do the real life equivalent of low level grindinghowever just like low level grinding you will eventually reach a point where it isnt worth it anymore
>>12616408Hooking the player on numbers going up early on, then decreasing the pace to maintain proper length of the game.>>12616432Levelling still becomes slower in most RPGs when you fight against late-game enemies as a late-game character, compared to fighting early-game enemies as an early-game character. Don't be obtuse.
>>12616468I know that but the progression becomes all screwed up if growth is a flat rate. I imagine that you can design an RPG that has that if you only incidentally get new enemies to fight or if enemies are so difficult to deal with that you might as well not even engage with them and are supposed to avoid them. I think certain rpgmaker games do that.
>>12616408It's so that you won't just get to level 99 from level 1 goblins.
>>12616408>>levelling becomes increasingly slower as you progress >and this was appealing design howFunny I was just thinking about this playing Fire Emblem Sacred Stones. You can upgrade classes earlier using limited consumables, but it slows down exp gains, so I don't do it. It's more enjoyable to keep getting level ups more often. If the exp gain wasn't reduced, I would upgrade despite the earlier level cap downside.
>>12616468why would you take a risk with high level enemies then if you can just beat up lower level enemies and still guarentee a level up?
>>12616506you can also have it where you are forced to progress in the game and are unable to go back so you can't just beat up lower level enemies. you can also make enemies completely disappear when you kill them. you can also make it where instead of traditional xp gain you instead get better equipment that is locked behind stronger enemies. to be honest none of these seem preferable to having traditional xp gain in rpgs.
Zoomer brain rot thread
>>12616554When?
>i must level up linearly>i need big numbers to offset small peenhow about you try beating the game with what you have? shit ain't hard if you use your abilities and consumables tactically instead of throwing raw numbers at it like a mindless ape.
>>12616408Levels are bad design period
>>12616604Flat rules about bad design is bad brain noise.
>>12616604Let me guess, you enjoy final fantasy 2
>>12616591i'm getting too old for remembering enemy patterns
>>12616926tactical thinking has nothing to do with memorization, kid.
>>12616428If you didn't reach max level, you didn't beat the game.
>>12616408I’m sorry. Let’s just make the game get exponentially easier until you don’t have to play at the end.
>>12617653if you did reach max level, you didn't beat the game
>early to early/mid game is the hardest part>by the end you're so overpowered that everything is a breeze, and 90% of those nuanced abilities and techniques you've acquired go unused since you're better off just spamming the same couple of things over and over again while occasionally healingSmooth Jazz of the Night was bad about this, especially with the bosses.
the worst is when exp from regular enemies barely moves the needle while story fights/bosses have all the exp, it feels so controlledzelda 2 being the biggest offender with those dungeons that just outright give +1 level, bypassing exp entirely
>>12617964I'm starting to think that fully controlled XP is actually the way to go. The player should get XP for doing something cool like defeating a boss or doing a sidequest or finding a cool secret, XP should reward players for doing things that are challenging and fun. There's no reason why shitmobs should give XP at all. Maybe it would force devs to reconsider why those shitmobs exist in the first place.Also I think there should be locations that refill your healing items for free in order to discourage hoarding. Like give the player a maximum number of healing potions, for example 10, and then hand-place a potion refill point between every challenge. Then balance each challenge with exactly those 10 potions in mind. I'm sure a notable non-retro example of this springs to mind but it really does fix a lot of issues. Some RPGs would benefit from more controlled, more intentional and more thoughtful design. Now CRPGs that are more centered around branching role-play options and emergent gameplay can get away with not doing these things, but more restrictive JRPGs and ARPGs have no excuse. The restrictiveness of those subgenres should amount to more finely-tuned experiences. Unfortunately it rarely does.
>levelling becomes increasingly faster as you progress
>>12617964This is objectively the best option though. The devs can always balance for the player guaranteed being at the right level of power for story areas so no one gets stonewalled too hard if they just want to beat the game, and doing side content early can be challenging but rewarding. Grinding helps no one, it rewards players for playing safe and boring and unnecessarily punishes those avoiding tedium if the EXP is too weighted towards fighting more mobs than one reasonably would encounter normally.>>12618393Yeah, there's a reason why the series you mentioned does that. It's a great idea and prevents all sorts of issues, standard RPGs should absolutely take more note of it. Inventory hoarding always results in players being too afraid to use limited powerful consumables until they no longer have any reason to, and if they DO use them all at the right times, there's no challenge anymore because encounters have to be made clearable with or without those items.
>>12618410the cookie clicker of its time
It's amazing that no matter the board frogfaggots always have these extremely low quality posts.
EXP is unappealing design to begin with. Power up the player by giving new moves and abilities instead.
>>12616512That's because you would be fighting against level 1 classes with your level 2 class
>>12619472Nah. Skill based progression only
>>12619487>see everything my character can do since stage 1Boring as fuck
>>12616408What's the reddit frog got to do with that?
