>entire brand identity is "go fast">going fast just gets you killedI had to savestate and rewind like eighty thousand times to make it through these shitty games. 90s gamers must have been really starved for choice given how much they suck these shit games off.glad to cross these off my list and never bother with them again. what fucking trash.
>>12619652>going fast just gets you killedNo game in history has filtered more people than Sonic.
>>12619652you didnt beat the game
>>12619658>force yourself to like it or u filtered that's fine, i'd rather be filtered than a retarded masochist>>12619664in my opinion I did and your opinion on the matter does not concern me
>Play game>Expect it to just be "hold direction and win">There's actual challenge>"This game sucks"
>entire brand identity is "jump">jumping in place the whole game gets you killedThis game is shit
>>12619652>going fast just gets you killedYou must go fasterOnly those born in the fast lane are allowed to play this gamehttps://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime
>>12619675I dont mind challenge but these hands are mostly just bullshit gotcha traps that punish you for trying to do exactly what the games branding tells you to dothat's not challenge, that's just objectively bad game design that doesn't respect the players time
>>12619652>>12619652>I had to savestate and rewind like eighty thousand timesGet good zoomie. I finished every Sonic game within a few days of getting them back in the 90's.
>>12619712no you didn't.
>tell people they have to memorize the stages to go fast>bubsy is """bad""" because you have to memorize the stages to go fast and avoid one hit deathsWhat's the difference once you've mastered both games? Obviously Sonic sitll plays better once mastered, it feels nicer going through the motions. But is demanding memorization inherently bad for platformers? We commonly say horizontal shmups like R-Type are "memorizers," yet people can still accept and praise them. Shmups and arcade games in general require a degree of memorization to 1CC them. Nobody is 1CCing Final Fight blind.Is it just about the game still feeling good to experiment with while figuring out new routes? Sonic obviously feels better to play while you're learning it than Bubsy, and there's more room for improvising on the fly (partial memorization works out better too). But maybe requiring memorization isn't as much of a game breaking flaw as it sounds. After you've already memorized a game and you're executing a run, it can still be fun despite the memorization process being less fun.tldr: Bubsy deserves as much respect as R-Type, I rest my case>>12619724He probably did. Unless you were playing them as a very small kid (like 2-5), it wouldn't take that long to just reach the credits.
>>12619652Sonic 1 isn't fast by todays standards but actually gaining momentum and learning the levels to go fast, it was fast at the time. But yeah I think you got filtered hard, you actually have to like...play a videogame? I think kids today don't even like videogames, and modern vidya aren't even really what 90s kids would call "games" anymore, all you zoomers are just used to "electronic experiences" with zero challenge or controls you have to learn and master.
>>12619737*Before someone points it out, of course Final Fight isn't just a memorizer game. It requires memorization but also improvisation and understanding the enemy patterns. The point is that "playing blind will go smoothly" isn't necessarily a requirement for a game to be good.
>>12619652>I had to savestateStop whining, bitch.
>>12619652you didn't beat shit and you should put it back on the list.you basically did the equivalent of watching a longplay on youtubeyou got a sense perhaps, but you didn't actually beat it.hope this helps
>>12619761>stop whining, bitch>stop bitching, whinerfunny how you can reverse it like that
>needs save states to beat a game with the most lenient possible health systemFiltered
>>12619682fuck, I'm getting old
>>12619768>stop whining, bitch>stop bitching, whiner>whining bitch, stop>bitching whiner, stop>bitch, stop whining>whiner, stop bitching
>>12619767nope in my opinion I beat it and that's all that matters. don't care what spergs on the internet think
I'll never get the point of threads that are some variant of "you know that game that 7 year olds can beat? GODDAMN is that game fucking impossible, I had to use a million state saves and a walk-through and five different wikis and a how to play youtube video"
>>12619927Yeah, I used to repeatedly run through the Sonic games when I was like a little kid. I remember first time I beat Sonic 1 was the first day of kindergarten. It sticks out in my mind, because I exaggerated feeling sick to stay home and play Sonic.
>>12619652Joke thread, but every time I see posts like this it reminds me how important patience is to one's intellectual health.
>>12619737memorization is good when it augments, you are prepared for the obstacles ahead of you and are in the zone. memorization is bad when it's a hard requirement of a limited view distance, you can't see objects before you hit them.
>>12619951Yeah, that's a good distinction.
I'm pretty sure you guys are being trolled. Even the biggest alphoomer ever isn't shit enough to savestate in Sonic. It's a game designed for 5 year old's. Little precision is required. There's a mechanic where you practically have infinite health.
>>12619980sonic 1 is unironically pretty hard though, like a million times harder than sonic 2
>>12619980>I'm pretty sure you guys are being trolled.You're almost certainly correct. But it's fun to play along sometimes.
>>12619989Harder but not by that much. Labyrinth Zone was a little scary as a kid, but the final boss of Sonic 2 was more intimidating and it's a longer game. Metropolis Zone feels about as hard as Scrap Brain Zone.
>>12619992Sonic 1 takes way more patience, like actual careful calculated platforming. The enemies are way more dangerous too. Theres tons of fucking spikes all over the place and drowning in water and all sorts of stuff. Sonic 2 is just a maze of pipes and gimmicky shit with zero skill required. Sonic 1 is a much better game as platformers go
>>12619927>>12619938go away zoomie larperssonic games are not beatable by 7 year old or kindergarteners which you would know if you ever played them
>>12620013https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l-3VhZ2YikIf a kid can learn to do this, a kid can learn how to beat Sonic.
>>12619652>savestating in a fucking sonic gamewew led. i'll savestate here and there for hard parts of a shmup i can't get past, but one of the sonic games, some of the easiest fucking games in the 4th gen? fucking WEW lmao.
>12620013Oh, you're acting retarded
>>12619675>game is marketed as hold direction and win>plays nothing like that>b-... but you must like it! I suffered through it and forced myself to like it cause vr sucks it off s-so you must too!
>>12619652Can someone explain this whole Sonic hate thing to me? I’m a Mario fanboy, and for over 10 years I’ve had to explain that Sonic games are good. It’s like I’m living in a crazy world. Every criticism is dumb and idiotic: “too American. Every Japanese media outlet worships the West while secretly favoring Eastern things.” “Too much John K. buzzword.” Just imagine taking a scammer’s opinion seriously. And it’s always the same arguments. And it’s even crazier that every “Sonic killer” does everything they criticize about the Sonic series.
>>12620126it's simple... you see, the games are shit
>>12620119You're retarded and got filtered by the funny animal game
>>12620126people genuinely think the 3d games are shit, 2d hate is likely some sort of attention seeking bait behavior.
>>12620126It stopped being great after the Genesis, and it stopped being good after the Dreamcast. Final Fantasy of all things has a better track record.
>>12620176they're bad games, anon. they don't respect the player's time. it's legitimately part of the design ethos that you are meant to blindly run into traps and shit so that you can remember them next time. that's a shit game.
Would you suck on Sonic the Hedge's hog?
>>12620176People got blackpilled to thinking "it was always bad"
>>12619652you just need to git gud
>>12620119>game is marketed as hold direction and winOh did it now? I implore you to prove that it was marketed this way, and not some random thought you created in your head
>>12619916
>>12619916>in my opinionSo not a fact, got it
>>12619916in my opinion you are a massive faggot
>>12620356Just the same as anyone else's opinion about whether I beat the game or not :)
>>12620176To be honest, even the worst of 3D games is still better than a lot of stuff that people tout as “good.” I don't think you've ever played any bad games.
>>12620724subject displays poor reading comprehension and aggression.
>>12620093>i'll savestate here and there for hard parts of a shmup i can't get pastfag
>>12620093>i'll savestate here and there for hard parts of a shmup i can't get pastpussy
>>12620093>i'll savestate here and there for hard parts of a shmup i can't get pastchad
>>12622339fag pussy
>>12622342pussy fag
>>12622531chad
>entire sport is drive fast>not slowing down gets you killed woooow dude
Let's talk the elephant in the room
>>12622735Did anyone here actually try these multiplayer? Did you enjoy it?I tried with my brothers and a friend once or twice, but we never got into those modes much in Sonic 2 and 3.
>>12622758Yeah they are super fun and out your skill to test.For Sonic 2's multiplayer, the original Genesis game has too many slowdown but it was fixed on Sonic Jam for Saturn
>>12619652Have you considered that you are worse at games than Sonic fans?
>>12622762I should give them another shot now then. I liked running through them alone as a kid, but it was hard to find someone interested in playing them together.
why is this board so retarded? this is the most obvious bait has ever gotten, we live in an age where spotting an obvious troll desperate for a reaction has become as easy as telling the difference between a tranny and a real woman and yet you STILL bite the hook, actual fucking cattle the lot of you.
I always say gaming did not get good until the PS1 (and that while being generous) i have a thread on this: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/12569857/#12569857
This is a troll A.I spam post, you fucking monkeys feeding an A.I
>>12623031I was actually worried when I wrote the OP that I was being too obvious about it, but here we are lol
>>12623126not everything on the internet you dislike is AI you dumb jeet
>>12623031>>12623507People will reply even knowing it's bait for various reason.
>>12623031you underestimate the amount of people here that will reply to any thread about their game series of choice where the opinion doesn't 100% match their own because they're autistic i.e. brain-damaged and they're literally incapable of understanding different opinions exist in the world.
>>12623509Dude, it's an auto A.I post, this website is largely bots nowadays
Now go watch a speedrun, poser
>>12623112YOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL WOMAN
>>12624071I rather be a pretty youthful T-girl than be a balding boomer
>>12624217>hates pre-5th gen games>is a closeted trannycheckes out
>>12620126I think game like Sonic 2006 have tainted people's view of the series as a whole.
>>12624251Sonic blackpill happened, went from "Shadow the hedgehog (2005) ruined the series" to shifting the blame back further until becoming "It was never good", and got amplified by shitty modern game journos (literally just random hipsters with communication degrees who don't actually know shit about games, just couldn't get their dream job at CNN and had to settle with whatever gaming outlet because low hiring standards).
>>12624269>got amplified by shitty modern game journosit got amplified by the wii games...unleashed...and boom...and forces all being dogshit
>>12624413The whole "never good" thing was after that shit, and the game journo regurgitating thr meme is recent
>>12624413All of them were better than the average platformer of their time. I’d even argue that *Unleashed* (which is retro, by the way) is better than the *Mario* games from the same era. Is the NDS retro?
>>12624425>which is retroNo, it's a 2008 game
>>12624426so 18 years ago. sounds pretty retro to me anon
>>12624432Sticky says cut off is December 2007, and no consoles post 2001Not retro
>>12624486Sticky is old and you're a retarded prescriptivist, a brainless sheep essentiallyanything past 15 years old is retro
>>12624486sonic unleashed was released on the ps2 and is therefore retro.
>>12624526It's still past the cutoff, not retro
>>12624528nope it's on the ps2 which is a retro console by the ruled and therefore the game is retro. the game-specific date cutoff is for PC games.
>>12624534Cutoff goes for all games, nigga
>>12624537nope if it is on retro hardware it is a retro game.
>>12624541It's not homebrew, so no
>>12624543>commercial release for the PS2 in 2008>somehow not retro>homegrown release for the PS2 in 2026>somehow retroyou're retarded.
>>12624562Tell that to the mods
>>12624564I don't think they care that you're retarded
>entire brand identity is "rattle me bones">rattling the bones just makes you lose
