https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuclsDMslyQ
>>12619925Looks like crapperino
>>12619925at least i can play thief on my switch i guess
im finna buss fr fr
>>12619925>ShitdiveInto the trash it goes! Game has been playable for years on modern hardware with minimal effort, fuck right off.
>>12619925everyone in nightdive and every single person who buys "their games" should be hanged, drawn and quartered
>>12620442Why the hate towards nightdive tho?
>remasteredfuck off forever
>>12620224>>12620442>>12620507What's wrong with NightdiveMost of their remasters are good
People on this board have serious mental issues
>>12620691NTAAs far as I know most of the Nightdive team don't do anything meaningful when developing the game remaster. It is a one man show with the engine itself and one or two who get involved with stuff like level design but that was years ago and they were still doing their Systemshock remake.
Seems pointless since Thief already has gorillion texture packs, its one if the most supported old games out there. You know what game would actually benefit from a remaster? Deadly Shadows. The original was castrated to fit the console requirements and had some control issues. I'd love to have a remaster that has seamless city hub and seamless levels, maybe even blending the two in one big open world thing.
>>12619925Will it require hardware table fog? my GPU doesnt support that
>>12620740Normalfags wont consider playing the game unless its a remaster, so thats the point i guess.
>>12620740It's mainly for those who want to play Thief on consoles>>12620745I don't think normalfags would have patience for something like Thief, that's probably why the reboot flopped
>>12620752>those who want to play Thief on consoleslol
>>12620753Someone from ND said that consoles take most of their sales
>>12620756I'm sure that's very true. Their thief remaster will probably also sell better on consoles. But that's besides the point.
Zoomers ain't making it past Thieves Guild. Or is it Dark Project levels only?
the one thing thief could use is a best of both worlds campaign with dark project missions, lost city, and the smattering of gold enhancements. currently that doesn't really exist in a straightforward form.
>"""night""""""dive""">"""re""""""""""make"""""""They're just gonna make a bad HD texture pack with AI upscale and patch the engine to render in 720p, and every dumbfuck switchtendie who is scared to open a config file in windows or install mods (if they aren't entirely phonefags who don't even have a PC, is going to lap it up, and then we'll get a new generation of shitty youtube video essays about thief with 0 insight made by people who have never played the actual game.
>>12620789Name one time this has happened before
>>12620796Every Nightdive remake.Every Blooper Team remake.Every RE remake.
>>12620798Wrong
>>12620802Hey man, if you don't watch youtube videos that's great, but I can't play retro shit while I'm cooking spaghetti, so unfortunately, I do.
>>12620798System Shock is still very nicheAnd barely anyone played Powerslave or Killing Time
>>12620804If you mean someone like Gmanlives or Civvie they covered most of their games before they got remastered
>>12620806The real problem is these remakes are usually bad, and the second one comes out, any chance of Gen Alpha or Millenial Tendies playing the original game flies out the window, but of course they will blather on about them as if they are an expert.>>12620812Gmanlives is just a clickbaiter. "Hurr durr, Saturn Quake bad in le thumbnail!!!"
>>12620813Sounds like you're just projectingFPS games don't attract annoying essay makers as much as other types of games
>>12620818If you think Thief is an FPS you are part of the problem I am talking about.
This is pointless.Fans already patched it.
>>12620820Ok you are just splitting hairs now
>>12620820That's besides the point, Almost all other games they remastered are FPS
>>12620820>NUH UH THIS GAME IS AKSHUALLY.....IMMERSIVE SIM
>>12620825Not only that. The original had great joystick support. With a little help from any joy2key/steaminput program and thief has the best fake controller support i have ever played.
>>12620827>>12620829It's a stealth game.>>12620830Immersive Sim is not a genre.
If you don't want it don't buy itAnd all of their games are on gog so you can easily pirate them
>>12620837They will probably remove the original games from sale and only let you buy the new ones
>>12620831I did the same. JoyToKey is awesome.
Thief on Switch sounds pretty based. I've been outside the FM loop for like a year, did anything good get released?
>>12620691>>12620451Nothing. 4chan is just a hate machine so they have to pretend they're awful for some dumb nitpicky reasons.
>>12620798>Every Blooper Team remake.>Every RE remake.What brings someone to bitch and whine about things he's clearly completely clueless about?
>>12619925This is completely unnecessary fuck night drive.
>>12620907eat your slop
>>12619925It has a new campaign, if they give a discount or give it away for free for owning the old titles I'll check it out.
>>12620832>It's a stealth game.yeah it's an FPSFirstPersonStealth
>not even /vr/ is safe from demake/demaster sloppers I wish I had the willpower to just stop using the internet for anything other than pirating shit
>>12621068See>>12620837
>>12621078Obviously I won't play it, I haven't played anything that was released in the last like 15 years, including remastersBut every discussion about thief from now on will be about this remake and not the actual game so thief threads might as well be completely dead now. Obviously you already know this and just want to defend the hecking wholesome nightdive because you zoomers can't survive without worshiping brands
>>12621097>But every discussion about thief from now on will be about this remake and not the actual gameno it won't. there's been plenty of discussion about the OG resident evil games here since all the remakes have dropped (and continue to drop). stop crying and trying to invent problems that don't exist anywhere but your head.
>>12620946>It has a modded campaign that now cost money
>>12620789Hd texture look awful in Thief, hell even the texture filter that's on by default looks bad, the game looks better if you remove it
>>12619925Let me guess they're gonna charge double the amount than the original costs and de-list the old one?You will own nothing and be happy!
>remaster looks worse than the modded original
>>12620691They're parasites. Look at this shit, look at the asset quality, the shameless laziness of how it's all slapped together. This is not a remaster, this is a bunch of hacks putting in a purely symbolic amount of effort to produce something that loosely qualifies as a new product to sell.
>>12621251>de-listLmao why are you paying for 30 year old software?
>>12621269>pre alpha screenshot
>>12621251Their Doom, Quake and Heretic remasters were free if you had the original games
>>12621269this looks exactly like hd mod wtf
I'm going to the tranny pits tomorrow, you wanna come with?
i know for a fact that nightdive people do come here and shill their releases, i've seen kaiser whine about how /vr/ doesnt like him
Remember when /vr/ used to unanimously shit on remakes, and now 70% of the board is in favor of them?
>>12621264more like>remaster looks worse than the original
>>12621286How much do you think thy pay Gman and Civvie?
>>12621290>unanimously shit on remakesYeah like the Sonic, Metroid, Resident Evil, Mario or Zelda ones, oh wait
>>1262129070% of the board nowadays hasn't even beaten any NES games, this place is just slower /v/ now
>>12621290>another anon doesn't know the difference between remakes and remasters
Ok, if they let us play co-op campaign in its entirety, i will forgive them. Because as of now there were only few of Thief Gold missions that were converted to Thief 2 format which lets you play multiplayer.
>>12619925This fucking worthless.
>>12620927>noooo how dare they make it so new players can play my classics! MUH SECRET CLUB!!!I'm 100% right and you know it.
>>12621276You can thank id and microsoft for that. Meanwhile, star wars and system shock 2 were not free for previous owners. And then there was blood refreshed supply which was their second remaster of the game and was a separate purchase from both the original as well as their previous remaster of the game. Nightdive will happily sell you the same games as many times as they can when it isn't commissioned for gamepass padding.
>>12621276Because microsoft was nice enough to pay for them, they also delisted the original versions the same day they came out. Nightdive have to keep pushing out these shitty remakes every year because it's the only way they can keep money coming in and they've started charging more for them to boot. There can't be that many 90s fps games left to "remaster" though, they're gonna run out eventually lol.
>>12621371they'll just remaster the remasters, already did that with blood
>>12621367You're absolutely right that night drive lost their way.
>>12621390>lost their waythey were always like this, the only good thing they did was the turok port
>>12621371They might start with 00s games like Doom 3 and RTCW or non FPS games since they did Shadow Man and The Thing
>>12621397What about Strife, System Shock Enhanced, Powerslave, Doom 64 and Rise of the Triad?
Luv me NightdiveLuv me 4chan seetheSimple as
>>12619925From what I understand from the Steam page description it should include both The Dark Project and Gold campaign. They should talk with the people who made The Black Parade and throw it in as a bonus for bigger exposure. What I don't like is how glossy the game looks in this remaster. Hopefully a subject to change since it's "pre-alpha", whatever that means.
>>12621536Black Parade uses a metric ton of borrowed assets which might lead into legal issues if you sell it
>>12621097... thief threads are already dead. i seriously think you guys overestimate how much a remaster will poison the well.system shock and deus ex discussion are still non-existent after their remasters.
>>12620843If you believe that is another story but at least they're saying outright in the announcement thread that they're keeping them on the store.
>>12622027
So I downloaded The Dark Mod after many years. And I am confused. So many years of updates and the AI behavior is still shit. Lovely stencil shadows though fr fr
>>12621493>Luv me Nightdive They are actually good at what they do which is respectable. Similar to Feral Interactive. They actually do their job well.
>>12620907>>12621493ND are indeed good. From what they've said publicly about the games they work on they seem to really care. The hate from here is indeed overblown. It's always something along the lines of>UHHHH THIS ONE DOGSHIT WEAPON THAT NO ONE EVER USES DOES 2% MORE DAMAGE TO A SPECIFIC ENEMY TYPE GAME IS FUCKING RUINED I HATE NIGHTDIVE I HATE NIGHTDIVE I HATE NIGHTDIVE!
>>12621880That doesn't make any sense in a business standpoint. They'll probably package the original release behind this remaster, like System Shock. So in a way, it's not a delisting, but a increase in price to get the previous copy.
>>12622086What's crazy is that you can actually scroll back up the thread and read the grievances that people have with nightdive but instead you chose to make shit up that's no where close.
>>12622345oh no they resold a game they already remastered! unfortunately that was completely out of their control and seething at ND just shows how little you understand the industry
>>12622530Retarded reply but at least you're consistent.
>>12621269looks exactly like some shitty ass skyrim "hd texture" mod
>>12622086nd shill as fuck in here
Why do remastered games always look like cartoons
>>12622036>>12621824>>12621820I don't consider myself a retro purist or anything, but this shit looks gay as fuck. Whats with bloom? Whats even the point? Either give me a full REmake with a modern engine or leave the damn game alone. It's not like zoomers gonna see slightly more polygons and rush to buy this old ass game
>another shitdive vulturemaster
>>12619925My issue with “muh nightdave sucks” is that people buy faulty software because of the community. To me, an abandoned game that doesn't work on any system other than maybe the original one it was released on is abandonware and shouldn't be available for sale. So much so that even developers find it more convenient to emulate the games they made themselves, not only because they don't own the rights to the games they created, but also because it’s not worth the effort. Re-releases like this have the problem of not paying the people who made these games, but otherwise, they’re better than paying for abandonedware because someone actually put in the effort to fix a faulty product. And Nightdive releases usually don’t replace the OG if you’re a “purist.”
>>12623058>And Nightdive releases usually don’t replace the OG if you’re a “purist.They do. The exception is if Microsoft pays them no to
>>12622970Just to clear things up, these webms are from a mod. They're not official.>>12621820>>12621824
My particular autistic gripe with this remaster is that I HATE, HATE how NightDive handles the rendering on these older games. And they fucked it up AGAIN. All they do is take the original game and slap shitty post processing, shitty bloom, shitty SSAO, etc on top. Going by the screenshots they've done the same to Thief.Every fucking game made before 2003 was designed to be viewed on a CRT. Thief was made to be viewed on a CRT. Older PC CRTs have a different gamma curve to modern displays. The lighting and EVERYTHING in Night Dive remasters looks wrong because of this. They put their shitty bloom on top. Because it sits on top of the original rendering like a filter, when the original game renders a bright object, the colour gets crushed to white with the bloom added on top.If they were doing it properly, they would reference how the phosphor glow and colour contrast on a CRT looks. Because that's what the original game was designed around.Even outside of that. They add SSAO because it adds soft contact shadows. But they blend this with the original image by multiplying it. Do they have no knowledge of basic colour theory? So now every corner is not just darker, but GREYER. It draws attention to the lack of polygonal detail. They might get the games functioning but they end up compromised and looking worse. Sometimes they drop graphical effects entirely. It is a sad state of affairs.
on the topic of thief. I was thinking a game has never had such a distinct audio que as to having gone off the deep end into mystic / supernatural forces as thief does in the song that introduces victoria.She gives you the mission that ultimately sets off your "wtf in the name of non-geometrical design is going on" alarm and the second the synth sets in over the background sirens is the exact moment shit transcends into primal forces beyond human understanding. it's like garrett steps into another reality, no game has done it so well since. https://youtu.be/GYk_NoVDyNg?si=t1JxFWZdzZ4FgI8V
This looks a lot like what they did to System Shock 2 and probably runs on the same engine just like the originals did (mostly). The lipsync on the updated models is laughably bad though, I almost always prefer the models that had no moving mouths.
>>12622975Jesus christ these evil fucking maniacs
>>12622975Absolute gaylordery
>>12622616>>12622749>seething because they know i'm right
Jesus
>>12624216Christ
>>12622027>>12622036This is the definition of a downgrade. Look at the lamp texture. It goes from dirty and detailed to literally just white.
>>12621290Sorry bro, but I played their Shadowman remaster and I can't say anything bad about them. It's the most perfect, ideal, complete remaster a fan of the original could want.
>>12624216>>12624218You realize their remasters have a toggle to disable all graphical additions and changes?
>>12624216why should I be outraged about this?
>>12624218this doesnt look that bad at a glance but then the more you look at it the uglier it gets.why did they bother modelling 2D assets in 3D if they weren't going to do it for environment textures to ?it just looks weirdly disjointed.
>>12624317I think my favorite part of that one is how the window texture is very obviously repeated in the upscale due to the breaks being the same 2 shapes repeating over and over again. Which is true in the original, but your eye is not drawn to it in the same way due to the differences in contrast. This is basically true for all the textures in the image, but the window is particularly jarring.Also the lamp, again. Big downgrade there.
They should've just grabbed original devs instead of working on this by themselves.
>>12624353Given the egos of the people running Nightdive, I don’t think it was ever an option.
>>12624216>>12624218>ugh these 1998 graphics are too crusty for me>now this fresh 2001 look? whoah mamaWhat is the fucking point?
If they add an item wheel so you can quickly select an item instead of scrolling through them all it will immediatly be the superior version.
>>12624353Yes let's grab all the original devs who 25+ years later are now all scattered working at different companies or in completely different industries altogether
stop passive aggressively replying to posts and go back to upscaling textures using SD1.5 or whatever it is you use
>>12624603zoomers will buy it because their favorite e-celebs (who gets paid by nightdive) will say this remaster is the best thing ever and the game was literally unplayable before this
>>12621354If youre too retarded to edit some config files, you're too retarded to be allowed to play the game.
>>12624727true
>>12624727and in a roundabout way that's a good thing.
>>12624728Endless Rain is pure kinography
>>12621269>gamers always complaining about how remakes and remasters deviate too much from the original and therefore are a disrespect to the source material>gamers hating nightdive because they remaster games as close to the source material as they possibly can getThese companies just can't win with you sorry ass gamers. What exactly is it that you want? A game developer does a remake/remaster that is too different its hated. They do one that stays close to the source material its hated. Make up your fucking minds.
>>12624661It worked for the Natsume/Tengo Project
>>12625015>when I fuck your wife in the pussy, you complain >when I fuck your wife in the ass, you complainMaybe stop fucking my wife?
>>12625042I'm not the one with a cuckolding fetish you are.
>>12625023by "worked" you mean making very cheap and unfair remakes of 30 year old games that no one cared about? I played Shadow of the Ninja and that shit sucked ass, felt like the game itself is fighting the player.
>>12624728>>12624973For some reason I just get pure earrape when trying to play this
>>12625164really? sorry anonthat wasn't my intention, honest
>>12625164Thankfully I wasn't wearing headphones because that might have blown my eardrums
>>12622975ohh THAT'S why 4channel shits their britches every time nightdive is brought up.
>>12625015Well nobody asked for this
>>12625069And still better than Nightdive stealing fan texture packs and calling it a day
>>12625015They don't need to delist the original because some people are too retarded to drag n drop fan mods
As a zoomie corporate bootlicker i must endorse upping the original price by 50% by removing it and bundling it with the AI remaster.
>>12625164That's an easy fix, the mission includes a few 24bit audio files that don't work with OpenAL EAX. Just look for any audio files in the snd folder that are 24bit, convert them to 16bit (foobar2000 works well), replace them in the FM archive and install it normally.
>>12623431well-spoke
Whats stopping people from just importing the new campaign to the original game?
>>12625919It all depends if someone has as sticky fingers as Garrett and is willing to go through the effort, I guess.
