Why does bullet spread and recoil exist, it doesn’t in shmups
the worst example of this is obnoxious sun glare in your eyes>what if we put needless realism in the game which serves no purpose other than to annoy you
>>12625768There was this race in Gran Turismo 3 where it was designed to have you go up a inclined road while the sun is right at the top of it and blinding you the whole time.It's pretty much the only time when the sun glare actively blinds you and I feel like it happened only on that one track.
>>12625768In games Stalker, it is not even realistic. The bullet lands a random point on your screen
>reloading>weapon switching that isn't instantaneousQuake solved these plagues but we never learned.
>>12625684>it doesn’t in shmupsi'm pretty sure there is recoil and bullet spread in STALKER 1. there's also recoil in various games including the classik Desu Sex 1. IIRC there is bullet spread in Mechwarrior 3 and 4, but it seems to be cosmetic. the bullet spread just makes it easier for you to hit stuff with the "shotgun" autocannons in the games.
>>12625684I just realized doom guy is wearing a glove and that isnt just wrinkled skin.
>>12625861>>reloadingjust add more laser weapons with infinite ammo powered by the sun.
>>12625864Anon, what the fuck are you talking about. It's his dick, he just pushed the pistol reeealy deep in his urethra.
>>12625864That glove always bothered me. Really ugly and nasty. They should have made it pure black and not tan skin colored.
>>12625768It looks pretty
>why is a different kind of game different?
>>12625936this
>>12625684Limited sprint is is a fucking cancer. I wonder what the first game to feature that was. Earliest I could think of is HL2.
>>12625684Fall damage in platformers.
>>12625901old military stock gloves were pretty awful so the game was immersive. i remember the combat leather gloves from the french military feeling like actual frog skin when wet. dunno how were the burger ones
>>12625862he meant shmup like picrel
Any sort of time-wasting garbage, such as long death animations. Or any kind of system where it takes anymore than like 1-2 seconds to restart after reaching any kind of fail state in a game. Or slow menus/UIs that prioritize animations over player inputs.
>>12626830>slow menus/UIs that prioritize animations over player inputs.Those piss me the fuck off but I have to admit they were soulful.
>>12625684By chance are you German?
>>12625684>>12625861>bullet spread>recoil>reloading>slow weapon switchingI personally think it depends on what kind of shooter the devs are aiming for, and how they balance those things.
>>12626985>Vhy does the bullets not just fire straight ahead? Zat’s how it is IN GERMANY.
most people enjoy recoil and see it as a sign of good gunplay, it can also help put bullets on target if you're slightly off. it's really not an anti-fun measure at all.
>>12626830it depends on how frequent dying is in the game.
>>12625864>his hands don't have a foreskin
>>12625862>retarded tripfaggot is a dumbass and doesn't know what a schmup isBig surprise!
>>12627048gunfeel?
>>12626579both statements are misleading. because the hitscan weapons like the pistol in DOOM don't have spread or any real recoil that can throw off your aim?but sure, Tyrian 2000 don't have recoil or bullet spread. though in shoot em uppers, bullet spread usually meant those weapons that shoot out ballsy bullets in a cone shape.
>>12625901BLAKGLOV.WADWhat OP mentions is an early attempt at realism just like the awful bobbing and tilting. I always turn that stuff off, unnerving if they hide it in the config somewhere. Might be okay for military fps where they fuck with the weapons to no end anyway. But in arcade shooters like Quake or UT?
>>12626556realms of the triad?
has Item Durability ever been interesting or fun in a single game it's in? it only exists to force you to return to town in RPGs
>>12625684>Why does [thing a child doesn't like] exist,Because the world doesn't revolve around that child
>Skill ceiling? >Nah bro, just push the win button.
>>12628971Nope. That shit was stupid as hell in System Shock 2. Yes it was easy to stock up on maintenence tools but you had to waste points on maintenence which is bullshit.Far more retarded in context. Weapons breaking after a clip or two in 2114 AD is downright silly.
>>12628971It's fun in STALKER if you play the game aggressively, the increased odds of a gun jam at a critical point in a shootout is a nice little "oh shit" where the half second to unjam it carries a lot of risk but doesn't waste time.
>>12628971>Item DurabilityIn Farcry2 you can forget about picking up weapons from enemies, they nearly always jam after short use. Good point, I suspect they partially do bullshit like that to ... prolong game time...
>>12625862retard
>>12628971I feel like it adds something to Fire Emblem, where you have weapons like rapiers which are stronger but have limited uses, so you're rewarded for being able to recognize when you really need them and when you don't.But I'll also admit that when I switch to an SRPG that doesn't have weapon durability it's like a huge weight's been lifted from my shoulders.
>>12625684>bullet spreadMakes different weapons be more effective at different ranges.
Bullet spread allows you to further slow down the game by punishing player movement. You go from a movement heavy game like Quake without spread to broken legs in CS.Recoil obviously came with the rise of 'realistic' shooters, but it actually makes the gun more tactile. It's fun to try various guns and see how their recoil affects your enjoyment. Imagine if you're seeing a big chunky LMG with slowish fire rate unleashing large caliber bullets with all the bang and muzzle flash, but then it just shoots perfectly straight like everything else.
>>12625936This is why gaming is such a wide arena. The tension between style and realism is very high in our current era.
>>12627535Rise of the Triad shareware, area 6. Joe's comment on this playthrough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aQcvFlaFrY
>>12625861I like reloading, though.
>>12630262>LMG with slowish fire rate unleashing large caliber bullets with all the bang and muzzle flash, but then it just shoots perfectly straight like everything else.Sounds fun to me. What's the problem with this?
>>12628971Fallout
>>12628971Dead Rising, because the game encourages you to use everything. I remember beating Carlito with a cardboard box because I had nothing else. Dead Rising 2 not only sucks but misses the point hard.
I've become increasingly sceptic about BIG ELABORATE projects. They always make you pay in one way or another, just like bitches."Oh it's the last level, ammo supply has been steady so far. So far. Now let's increase the fun factor!"" Do you really think you'll find all sikrits in mah precious fluffy mappack without a walkthrough, or optional, without being able to call every fucking pixel on the map by name??" etc. etc. etc. Ofcourse such bullshit happens in commercial games also, but not that harshly. Paying customer and all that.
>>12631294>Dead Rising 2It's beter than the first game
>>12631386Man the sword was amazing. Best dismemberment I've ever seen in a game.
>>12631386>Plays the entire game with boxing knife glovesYeah no. DR3 even does coop better too.
>>12626830Long death animations are funny
>>12631519SOTNs isnt funny in anyway
>>12627096>but sure, tyrianhello, mr master system poster
