This is no more cryptic than Zelda 1
>>12625867The couple obtuse moments are the least of this game’s problems.
>>12625867It's weird how youtubers turned this game into something controversial.
>>12625971It's weird how people single out every AVGN review for changing the perception of games when he's just repeating what he and his childhood friends thought at the time.>wtf i can't figure out what to do!?
>>12625998His complaints other than the night transition were pretty reasonable though. Like how the fuck were you supposed to know to know some of this shit? The npcs are completelt unhelpful and the final part of the game is just a boring walk to Dracula with almost no obstacles.
>>12626431>how was I supposed to knowguide, magazine, TV show, word of mouth>long boring walk to Dracula in an empty castleit’s DRAMATIC
>>12626431>Like how the fuck were you supposed to know to know some of this shit?By word of mouth. This game heavy filters the "play everything blind, everything has to be in the game, video games are only about the ROM file". When the experience of retro gaming was almost always intended to be more than that.
>>12626438>>12626464Not true though, almost every cryptic part of Simon's Quest is explained to you by an NPC or a book in a city or a mansion. The English version mangled many of these hints in translation which meant that, yes, English players had to rely on magazines and kids just figuring it out and telling others at school.
>>12626471We're talking about the English version, hence the NA box art.
Zelda 1 doesn't get as bad until second quest, and that's an optional mode meant to be bullshit
>>12626480Surely you can see why the English translation leaving out all the Japanese text explanations completely undoes this false idea that it was intentionally designed to be played by figuring out secrets through alternative means?
>>12626486That's not in discussion here.
>>12625971no, this was before youtube created secondaries. avgn resonated with people's pre-existing opinions and didn't change anyone's mind. same with spoony's ff8 review, nobody was "convinced" by it. now kids actually do just watch videos and repeat "influencers" so the situation is different.
>>12626438>guide, magazine, tv, word of mouthso basically just looking it up. that's bullshit. if something is in the fucking game you shouldn't have to cheat in order to get through it. this would be like if a game was made today and the only way for someone to reasonably beat it was by looking up the solution online.
>>12626534Avgn's video was 2006, all the castlevania 2 chads were already adult men raising families. Only their kids watched youtube and had never touched a game from 1988
>>12626540An alarming amount of people are saying this about Mina the Hollower, a bunch of people think they got softlocked in the bayou because Mina can't swim. Meanwhile the manual says on the second page that she can swim in water by burrowing, the game's signature mechanic.
>>12626525lol
>>12626639i was 26 in 2006.you weren't there.
>>12626438>guide, magazine, TV show, word of mouthyou didn't beat the game.
>>12626725/vr/ just got so much better
>>12626540see>>12626464
>>12626738i accept your concession
>>12626781I'm an idiot anyways and my filters don't work and I'm too half-cut to try and figure it out
>>12625971>thread: ...>anon: YOUTUBERS THETRESYOURTUBERS INVOLVED HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>12626802just ask your LLM of choice to figure out regex filtering for youbut I never bother with that kind of stuff unless it's a schizo really going off their meds
>>12626824Thanks my Naga
>ITT: people who will never know what it's like to have a friend triggered by people who have friends and played games with friendspottery
>>12626471>The English version mangled many of these hints in translationThis isn't true. The Japanese hints are just as useless.
>>12626464>Durr you just ask some random weird kid in schoolYeah and how did he get the answer? Because he knew a guy who knew a guy who called the hotline or had nintendo power and cheated. Again, if the only way to reasonably know about something to beat the game is through looking something up then that is bullshit. I would understand if it was just an extra hidden area or a secret but not something essential to beating the game.
>>12628056It seems you simply do not care for a fairly large amount of the games released in the early retro era. So be it, but don't claim this experience was invalid for those who enjoy this style of gaming. It is not "cheating", it was part of the gaming ecosystem at the time period of release.
>>12628076>It is not "cheating"Indeed, it's a business strategy. Selling gaming mags, sell hotline tips, and sell guides. GameFAQs singlehandedly ruined that for them, and we then saw design shift.
>>12628076>fairly large amountgenuine retard
>>12628160The entire genre of point and click adventures is based on the kind of obtuse "bullshit" in discussion here.
>>12626534Spoonys brutal takedown of ff8 and ffx was fucking incredible cringekino, he legit could've been the biggest video content creator in the world in that space if he didn't implode.
>>12628180Wrong, the point of point and click adventure games is that they are puzzles you are supposed to figure out. Even obtuse shit like the Monkey Wrench in Monkey Island 2 has some internal logic to it that allows you to eventually get it without the need of a stupid guide.
>>12628183I remember him more for his Ultima reviews which were also kino. What happened to him?
>>12625941This. People always focus on the same things. Nobody ever mentions the neutered subweapons, the mansion and villas repetitive and boring level design, the ''challenge'' being HP bloated monsters until you level up the whip, the holy water spam looking for breakable blocks, town buildings and hidden rooms being empty for no reason and a couple of more things I already forgot. Castlevania 2 is just an all around boring sequel. Every person I've seen who said they liked it, played hacked roms with improvements. I don't care about youtubers and other e-celebs. My uncle bought it when it came out and was excited to show me just to end up angry at how dull and slow everything was. Is not a good game. He bought this game too and we enjoyed it a lot more.
>>12628441>What happened to him?feminist foids got him and he spiraled into a twitter addiction in the early 2010s, he scammed of his paypiggies over patreon too never delivering the content he promised. He reached 5k a month of subs before he started bleeding out the money. The lore goes on, but those are the most important points.His FF13 review was also nice cringekino.
>>12628441Severe mental illness, toxic towards fans and lack of ambition.People give Rolfe shit for doing the same thing 20+ years onward but at least he still seems to enjoy what he's doing. Spoony has been miserable for almost 20 years now. It's pretty sad.
>>12625867Precisely what ive been saying for years.Zelda 1 is just as cryptic as CV2, or Goonies 2, or Legacy of the Wizard, or any other NES action adventure game. But for some reason everyone shits on those games but praises the hell out of zelda. It's stupid.
>>12630678I don't remember there being anything too cryptic about Legacy of the Wizard. Maybe the shit you have to do to get the shield, but that's not a required item to beat the game.
>>12628183he BETRAYED us>>12628807lol you can't blame spoony's problems on feminists, he was a fuckup from day one and eventually turned into a depressed and lazy fuckup
>>12626540This is really how a lot of older games were made. I am not defending it at all, it is a bullshit way of making a game. To give you monkey typewriter rooms of content where you just have to try everything till you figure it out, or buy a guide or magazine. It was a big part of the industry as being mentioned in magazines again also helped advertise a game.
>>12628463I didn't play hacked roms with improvements, I just looked up that I had to crouch with the crystal at the lake.It was fine and you're a faggot, played it twice to get the good end.
>>12630880>lol you can't blame spoony's problems on feministsI can.
>>12626471The only useful hint that's really mangled in the translation is the "clues to Dracula's riddles are found in x" ones. The Japanese originally said "books that will help solve Dracula's riddles". Those books contain some pretty crucial hints, so knowing where you're supposed to look for them is very helpful. "Clues" does not give you the idea you're supposed to look for books.
