>original pedigree>best graphics plus sound>6510 has illegal opcodes which allow tricks not useful on standard 6502It's clear that the C64 won. Apple II has a solid fanbase, IBM. Even MSX. But none have the staying power of the C64, which sees about 4-6 releases per day, still, with that going to dozens per day when a compo or demo party is happening.Atari 8-bit is an also-ran, Spectrum used to be more popular than it is today. There are slightly over a quarter million C64 releases going by CSDB. Speccy has 150-ish thousand. Apple is much less, 30k-ish?
>C64 now has excellent ports of Neo-Geo gameshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4mETVwSLek
It has Sonic and Mario.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFBj6PfrnMkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjvaWc5re5Y
>>12630817A shame about the power supply and PLA chip cooking themselves
>>12631004Speckie has the same issue with the PSU. Sinclair's Ferranti PLA seemed to be the best part of the whole computer.
C64 did fast shooters better than Nintendo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mnRVmM_uo
>>12630817So you're saying it's a shovelware platform to stay away from, like Steamok
>>1263107199% of all games on all systems are garbage, that's the problem with low-release systems. N64 has like three or four really good unique games. It's simply a numbers game.With a quarter million games released so far, the C64 has the numbers to be able to make a top entry for any type of game. Heck I prefer King's Bounty to HOMM. It's literally the same game. Rebelstar is just as good as XCOM. Etc.
Just to put it in perspective - there have been more new C64 releases this week, than the Playstatino 5 has had exclusives since it came out in 2020. Just counting since Sunday.
>>12631004>>12631071>lolcow gets shit on>>12631078because c64 is chad computer for chads.
>>12630817>best 8-bit home computer>best graphics plus soundThat'd be the MSX2 and it's not even close. Largely unknown outside a few select countries, though.
>>12631068I love that game but its dangerous, the insane levels of flashing could probably kill someone by epileptic fit
>>12631068You obviously aren't familiar with the Famicom library.https://youtu.be/jvD-s1n4i9E
the C64s most impressive shooter is Armalyte, its gorgeous and flawlessly executed. https://youtu.be/pXfq5PDt2aE?si=6HmfzsXJ2isjbydf
>>12631078thats because you can write a C64 in a month and only need 2 people.
>thread about C64 appears on /vr/>lemon64 mysteriously goes downReally interesting.
>>12631483site is hosted by a retard. he doesn't understand how you can have a production site and a live site so he takes the entire server offline to do updates. this is better than the last update regime where they never updated at all and got hacked
>>12631068that is crazy, never knew it was that complex
no one cares about the Homobore 64
>>12631071kek - nice "mod"
The only 8 bit computer where loading stuff last longer than the games themselves. Good job.
>>12631350I just realized the MSX2 is practically a Master System but without horizontal hardware scrolling
>>12632639Somewhat. The MSX2 had much higher res & RAM + VRAM but slightly worse hardware sprites. The audio (slightly different built-in PSGs + the same FM synth as an addon) was largely equivalent. Same CPU.The MSX2+ added horizontal hardware scrolling.Pretty neat machine, one of my cousins had one when I was a kid.
>>12631073Wait a minute... Rebelstar... C-64?
>>12632669Yes. Try it out.
>>12632750nta but I don't think Rebelstar was on the 64, maybe you're mixing it up with Laser Squad?
>>12632885You are indeed correct. My mistake!
>>12632903np, I had to look it up myself because I wasn't sure. Both Rebelstar and Laser Squad were great.
>>12632946I am still tuned into King's Bounty, it's literally the same exact game as HOMM, I would even say the smaller number of units and other things, make it more balanced.
New games came out today for C64. Can't say that about most retro systems. Or the PS5 for that matter - HAH!
>>12635081Wew
>>12635235>there are 24 (twenty four) PS5 games that are exclusive to the system, that have come out since 2020 when the PS5 was introduced>today, there were twice as many C64 programs released than the entire PS5 exclusive catalog since 2020ouch, C64 is sweeping all generations at this point
>>12631350MSX was a good system but neither the graphics or sound are ahead of the C64. Especially in the original configuration.
>>12630817The TI-994/a won. The C64 is nothing more than a baby toy.
>>12635290TI was based. If only they supported developers, who knows who would have won the computer wars. It was a 16-bit system back in the 8-bit days. Very cool stuff, flopped hard as FUCK and Commodore killed them.
>>12631350C64 was far more influential.>better soundAre you fucking retarded? The SIDS chip in the C64 blows the MSX2's standard Yamaha sound chip out of the fucking water.
>>12635328Technically TI started the price war, not Commodore.
>>12635350Yes TI was very sneaky in those days, they did HP dirty too.
>>12635328Piece of shit was a 16-bit computer that could hardly compete with 8-bit contemporaries and was significantly more expensive to produce. Intellivision also had a 16-bit CPU that never saw any use again because it was just too damn early for widespread adoption of 16-bit machines.
>>12635372The computer wasn't the problem actually, it was all TI and the fact they wouldn't let third parties develop for it, they wouldn't give out info about how it all worked, etc. Oh sure when they were getting killed right near the end they tried to open it up.Shame really, it was a good CPU and arch for the time.
>>12635328>>12635372>>12635407DRAM modules of the time only had 1-bit pointers. That means 8-bit CPUs only needed 8 RAM chips, while 16-bit CPUs needed 16 RAM chips. That's why 16-bit CPUs were avoided like a plague unless the performance or IBM compatibility justifies it.
>>12635413Is this why the Intel 8088 had an 8-bit data bus despite being a 16-bit CPU?
>>12632226>too stupid to use a software fastloader>too poor to buy a fastloader cart>lolcow doesn't know that most commercial games had fastload routinesGood job, dumb retard lolcow
>>12635290>The TI-994/a won.won so hard that ti sold very few of them, caused them many millions of dollars in losses and forced TI completely out of the computer market. that's winning, is it? >>12635407>Shame really, it was a good CPU and arch for the time.it was great (and the first 16bit cpu chip i think) until the m68k was released and everyone abandoned TI processors until they shat out the TMS34010. absolute chad of a chip.
>>12635662>t. Assmad Pee64 fanCope and seethe tranny. Commodore lost.
>>12631068https://youtu.be/gBdVV_BCZoA?t=3459
>>12631058'ate c64luv me speccysimple as
>STILL no retroachievements>RA devs STILL obsessing over TENDIE SHOVELWARE>STILL no release date of ANY KIND for C64 RA
>>12636219I've been playing with a speccy emulator and I unironically prefer it to the C64. The games just feel faster and more responsive. Sure the C64 is better if you like old RPGs or you're some kind of fag who only cares about graphics and music, but the ZX Spectrum was for people who actually cared about gameplay and fun.
>>12636238I've seen people making RA for Amstrad CPC of all systems.I imagine doing RA for C64 would have been a pain in the ass. Lots of different cracks for just one title. Sticking to official releases isn't the best idea sine some cracks fix issues/bugs/graphical glitches, some add fastloaders, some add high score tables where there weren't any before(which is awesome btw). I imagine it isn't a simple task to do.
>>12635407The CPU was the worst aspect of it, which is why every later machine that borrowed mostly the same chipset (Creativision, Colecovision, Sord M5, SG-1000, etc.) switched it out for a standard 8-bit CPU.
>>12630817>thing won cause:>things youtube saidWhy are children like this?
>>12635658Wow, so instead of waiting 60 second i get to wait 40 seconds?Fast loaders were a gimmick designed for retards like yourself.If you want fast commodore games, cartridge and cartridge conversions are the only choice.Also, i dare you to post a video showing a difference for rpg/strategy games. I know you won't, you disingenuous faggot.
>>12636516
>>12636516>>12636538Neither of these posts are arguments. A system should be judged by the quality of its software, not by its fanbase. ZX Spectrum titles have objectively better gameplay but some people can't get past the graphics or the 48k's music. The real question, why are people who need fancy graphics and music on a retro games board in the first place? Casuals who prefer presentation over solid gameplay should stick to playing God of War or FIFA on their PS5.
>>12636271Make the fucking emulator support and let the developers of the individual sets deal with that, that isn't a reason to not do it
>>12635423Yes. They even made an 8-bit variant of M68000 as well.
>>12636570C64 exists in 1984 (today) God of War doesn't.
>>12636354Damn you're seething. C64 won, no amount of this childish behavior will change that.
>>12636776Yeah it won the "gayest fucking computer ever released" award.
>>12636781Tendie getting salty?
>>12636354>Wow, so instead of knowing anything I'll say what the youtube told meWow
>>12636238What the fuck is RA?
>>12637157Retro Achievements. Zoomers can't enjoy games without them.
>>12637185>look it up>some gay web site that literally puts spyware into your retro games so you can't cheat at the various "achievements"damn this is grim
>>12636647Apparently the Sinclair QL uses it
>>12637382>8 colors, even though the Spectrum had 15What a piece of shit.
>>12635658>lolcowoh hey it's the newfag who doesn't know how to use the term lolcow correctly
