Majora's Mask sucks. This shit isn't a Zelda game. Running around a town solving gay little quests for these gay NPCs isn't Zelda.
Watch out guys, OP is an authority on Zelda. And he doesn't like Majora's Mask
>>12638624Everyone always sucks this game off but to me it's just fucking boring. Figuring out what to do with these faggot NPCs sucks. I want to go out and have an adventure, like in other Zelda games. MM is an entirely different kind of game. Honestly it feels very reddit-coded.
Ocarina = Weezer Blue Album Majora = Pinkerton
>>12638615Majora's Mask sucks. Running around solving gay quests for gay NPCs could have been cool, if the game didn't insist on shooting itself in the foot repeatedly.Worst 3D zelda, but neat ideas.
>>12638615>only 4 bosses>thus only 4 full heart containers>transforming mechanic out of the ass>certain forms of loot are not permanents cause "time travel">must suspend disbelief that there's dozens of links running around time traveling solving all these problems
>>12638637Yeah it's like this auteur kind of game, and I really WANT to like it, but it dumps you into the town and tells you to go figure out everything for this myriad of quests. It very quickly becomes boring and tedious. I want to go into a dungeon and traverse cool landscapes, not be stuck delivering a bomb to someone's front door or whatever. The intro is the strong part of the whole thing, really. Super cool atmosphere, the villain seems imposing and strange too.>>12638645The loot is super fucking annoying and dealing with the rupee lady is too. It's incredible how they still hadn't realized that the dialogue needs to be designed better so there's less pressing buttons accidentally and closing the dialogue when you're just trying to get or deposit rupees. Same thing when I'm trying to quickly get somewhere by rolling and talk to an NPC accidentally for the millionth time.
>>12638631accurate
>>12638656The game sucks but the side quests are optional
>>12638672If you're playing for the first time there's no way to know that. And it's not like the meat of the game isn't the town and its inhabitants and figuring out what they do and how to change things.
>>12638681I knew it playing for the first time.
>>12638624OP is right for once.>>12638615Majora's Mask is a disgrace and designed like shit. The game is just tedious/isn't fun to play and is only appreciated for its aesthetics. And the worst part is that focus on Aonuma's focus gay puzzles and story faggotry kept going and spiraling out of control until it reached its clown apex conclusion with Skyward Sword. People who genuinely like the gameplay of this game and praise it as a masterpiece yet shit on the N64 Castlevanias have no standards at all.
>>12638684Well aren't you a special guy.
>>12638691They're just posers or are looking for something other than a Zelda game because MM sure isn't one. You're right in that the aesthetics are why so many pretend to love it, but it's truly designed like shit if you're coming in looking for more action adventure exploration type gameplay. I can't even imagine being a kid getting this after playing OoT, must've been terrible.
>>12638707I didn’t play MM until I got the Zelda bonus disc for GameCube, but I would’ve felt trolled as a kid in 1999 and being forced to play as a deku scrub for the first part of the game.
>>12638716I'm just wondering if they made the game so esoteric so they'd sell more guidebooks. You went from a straightforward game that expected you to explore a good amount and gave you quite a bit of freedom in OoT to running around the same area talking to the same people a million times. Honestly MM feels like it was supposed to genuinely be its own thing and not a Zelda game.
>>12638707The truth that people don't want to admit is that most of the problems with this series started with them taking the worst aspects of both LA and OoT and amplifying them with each new game. 2D Zelda just has much more gameplay (combat), adventure and actual exploration; 3D Zelda is 90% extremely boring/lame puzzle mini-games and slow ass text boxes, cutscenes and fetch quests. BotW was a promising step in a better direction by trying to capture what the original games did, but TotK just left me speechless. To think that they'd basically waste 5 years making the same game again, but even less focused and directionless, and not fixing any of the problems.
>>12638723The fact that they never fixed the slowness with text boxes and general tedium in the 3D games until BOTW is crazy to me. I did really enjoy that game, though I still think durability is a meme. I haven't played TOTK, it just seems like more of the same but with a gmod twist to it. I played BOTW too much and still burnt out on it but it's shocking that it took them 5 years to make it even while reusing all those assets. What are your thoughts on Zelda II?
>zelda derangement thread # 10,000
>>12638758>MM>zeldaI enjoy plenty of actual Zelda games.
>>12638747By the time Skyward Sword came out, the series was being strangled by this rigid formula. It was dreadful, and a change was needed to keep the series relevant.The "Open World" Zelda is a good direction on paper, but it's not going to last forever unless they put real effort and passion into it. Open world is not a new gaming concept and it's already facing intense competition with the surge of copycats, just like classic Zelda did in the past. World-building matters to make people feel engrossed and intrigued by the game's content and universe, and this is where BotW and TotK fall flat, especially after the latter ignored the former despite the rest of the world barely being any different; the sense of wonder and surprise is mostly gone.>What are your thoughts on Zelda II?I love it, amazing game that represents the NES's library better than anything else. It feels like it was crafted up with the best parts of Super Mario Bros, Metroid, Zelda 1 and Dragon Quest.
>>12638812I think Zelda should just do what DS1 did or maybe even Demon's Souls. You get enough openness but it's also all focused, there's no bloat or anything. I really need to go and complete Zelda II at some point, I quite enjoyed what I played of it.
>>12638615Majora's Mask is Zelda if it's a Mega Man Legends game. Link actually does heroics that help people and doesn't just play sukeban in dungeons and collect baubles.
>>12638656>rupee ladythat's a man, baby
How could you disrespect the first ever game that featured every individual NPC having their own complex, intersecting routine? You are not a gamer.
>>12638630>Honestly it feels very reddit-coded.You’re not far off. A large part of the fandom for this game is from late 00s/early 10s internet culture. The Ben Drowned creepypasta, that fan made movie trailer, lots of tumblr fan art etc. Majora’s Mask’s online fanbase gives off the same vibe as the "EarthBound is my favorite game, I can’t wait to play it!" meme.
>>12638615yeah but ocarina sucked too, which was the start of nuzelda when the series started being made for females
>>12638920MML is actually fun, though.>>12638926Shit, I seriously thought it was a girl.>>12639050Yeah there's this hardcore cult following surrounding it that feels so fucking weird, especially when they scream "It's my favorite Zelda game!!". Their favorite Zelda is the one that doesn't actually play or feel like a Zelda game, of course. I remember the melty they had when AVGN posted his video on the game and said he doesn't like it for a million valid reasons.
>>12638983Careful, some retard might actually think you're serious. Ultima VII was first and mogs MM in regards to this.
>>12639098>MML is actually fun, though.True.
I never even tried Majora's Mask because all that timed shit, seems like bullshit. Also you still have to play your gay ass Ocarina of time!
>>12639153>Also you still have to play your gay ass Ocarina of time!I wish it was just the ocarina.. I disliked the sounds of deku horns of time and bongo drums of time.Skyward sword's orchestrated music was orchestrated music to my ears after the pain of listening to majoras mask's music. No lie, I muted majora at some points, like the fucking zora beach.
>>12638615you'll get shit on for that take here but I honestly agree. Id rather just play OOT every time.
>>12639281you'll get shit on for that take here but I honestly agree. Id rather just play the same game as MM every time.
>>12639302>t. hasn't played either game
>>12638630Guarantee you’re ugly>UMMMMMM OK SO U DONT HAVE A COUNTERARGUMENT LOL!!!100% without doubt know that you’re extremely unattractive
>>12638615MM is only fun if it was one of your only N64 games and you replayed it over and over to explore every NPC's paths on each day. Most people picking it up today will only play it once and miss out on the sheer detail put into the game.It's sad if you think about it because there's almost no way anyone playing for the first time today can enjoy it the way people did when it was released, because everyone has so many other games at their disposal there's no reason to ever play this one more than once. And so it's dated to the period when kids didn't have the option, and if you weren't there for it the magic is just not going to be there for you.
>>12638645you sound like a filthy casual
>>12639539Actually I'm told I'm really attractive and have had a partner for ages. I have long blonde hair and blue eyes. You sound very lonely yourself.
>>12639281MM is terribly designed, I'm not one to complain about lack of guidance but it's really a "what the fuck do I do now" sort of game. And then you figure it out but you're going to have to do it over and over because of the central mechanic. Anyone who genuinely likes this game doesn't like Zelda.>>12639618It's boring. It's boring to follow these NPCs around. That's not why I play Zelda. I'd have been furious as a kid, expecting some quality action kino from my next Zelda title and get this modern indie game reddit feeling motherfucker instead.
>>12638630You do realize solving these people's problems requires going out and adventuring right? Or are you too stupid to read dialog and recognize that these people are asking you to go out and adventure to help them?
>Ma-chore-a's Mask
>>12639954It's still annoying constantly having to talk to them. I don't want to be doing shitty tasks for the NPCs. I don't want to constantly redo all this stuff, either. It's just boring. Can't believe people claim this is one of the best games of all time lmfao.>>12639963Kek.
>>12639983>I don't want to constantly redo all this stuff, either.What stuff are you constantly having to redo? After you beat a sidequest or a dungeon, you don't have to do them over again. Just play song of time, reset and move onto the next area. If you can't finish a given area in 1 cycle (3 hours of gameplay) you need to git gud.
>>12640008So you've been playing this game for the past 25 years and just assume that first-time players will know where everything is and what to do? Ok. Next you'll try to convince us that having to play it more than once to appreciate it doesn't make it a bad game. Many such cases btw.
>>12640015>assume that first-time players will know where everything is and what to do>in a game full of NPCs, signposts, and a literal guiding fairy who give you tips on where to go and what to do nextSo now it's too obscure and difficult?
>>12638920This.
>>12640015Buddy the sidequests can easily be done in a single cycle and don't require much in the way of retries. The only side quest that requires the bullshit you keep harping on is the Anju/Kafe side quest which is entirely optional and is the one quest you should be saving for last after you've become familiar with the world and characters.
>>12640015>Next you'll try to convince us that having to play it more than onceThe game is literally built around reliving the same 3 days doing different things to help the people of Terminus. I... like how do you not get this?
>>12640015>Next you'll try to convince us that having to play it more than once to appreciate it doesn't make it a bad gamewtf how long have you been alive that you don't understand that this is an inherent fact of consumption of any form of entertainment?
>>12638631And Pinkerton fucking sucks
>>12640024>>12640032>>12640034That's not even me, the OP. However I agree with him that the game is just dogshit for a first time player. Gay running around trying to figure out what these fuckass NPCs want. That's not a Zelda game.
>>12640036There's a ton of entertainment that doesn't require you to consume it over and over again for it to get "good". Lmao.
>>12640053"appreciate" does not equal "get 'good'" get some fucking glasses dude. here's the quoted text in case you need some help.>Next you'll try to convince us that having to play it more than once to appreciate it doesn't make it a bad gamethat's every form of media on earth. don't pollute the gene pool.
>>12640069And there's even more entertainment you can appreciate without having to consume it over and over. Maybe your product is bad if you NEED to go over it again and again, kek.
>>12638723This is at least 70% true
>>12640036That might be true of some media but not all. However, I DO think that Majora's Mask was meant to be replayed multiple times, because honestly most games were until the average gamer's library grew too large to justify replays of any game. But with that being the case, you have to admit that MM isn't going to leave the same impression on players today that it did on people who played it on release and had the time and reason to do those multiple play throughs. Those people got the intended experience, but most player's will not get that today and it will just come off as a bad or boring game.
>>12639106Even a lot of 80's pc games mog MM in this regard
>>12640101>However, I DO think that Majora's Mask was meant to be replayed multiple times>because honestly most games wereI'd buy this if MM let you do dungeons in any order you want, but that's not the case.
>>12638630>>12638631>>12638637I would've quoted more filtered manchildren but there were too many.I also wonder what the cope would be if redd*t never existed? You losers can't handle being stopped in your tracks and not enjoying a game so you have to make up an enemy to blame it on, kek. >>12639050>A large part of the fandom for this game is from late 00s/early 10s internet cultureYou mean people who grew up around the time period it came out in? Shocking! Insightful post.>fanbase gives off the same vibe as the "EarthBound is my favorite game, I can’t wait to play it!" memeYet, you're the one who hasn't played it until now and are getting mad that children from 00s were figuring it out.>>12639618This is a good post and part of the reason why "gamers" who pick up classics now get asshurt over things. The people complaining about the experience are obviously soured on it and no level of "unique for Zelda" gameplay will shine thru in current year. In this thread alone, too many people are comparing it to OOT instead of letting it stand on it's own.
>>12640761should've called it something else then. People want Zelda, not whatever MM is.
>>12640041god damn you half japanese girls.
>>12640792In case you haven't noticed, most Zelda games have a gimmick, anon. You'd be hard pressed to name three Zeldas that are actually alike.
>>12640808And pretty much all of them still have the action gameplay as the focus or at least real gameplay besides running around saving a bunch of NPCs. Everything apart from that feels like an afterthought.
OoT and MM are a great pair and I'm tired of shitflinging between so-called fans of the series
>>12640792Says you, I'd be happy to get another MM.
I've played oot and mm both enough to have the entire games memorized, so the haha we made it complicated to sell guidebooks argument doesn't work against me.I'd rather play mm every time because it scratches my optimizing itch for me to see how much shit I can cram into every 3 day cycle before I have to reset back to day 1. This is more or less the same reason I prefer banjo tooie over kazooie which I am only adding because I know it will make you all seeth, cope or dilate too.My only mm complaint is I wish it was a little more open world without glitches, so that you can get to the next cardinal area without having to get the bow/arrow type from the previous dungeon.
>>12638615>solving puzzles and interacting with npcs isn't zoldo!!!
>>12638707I played it after oot and i enjoyed both. Oot had more dungeons, but MM offered more to explore. This is such a forced troll thread.
>>12639936>what the fuck do I do now" Wow, so like every other zelda.
>>12640015I refuse to believe you have the mental capacity to play any video game.
>>12640792Well good news, it was originally called Zelda Gaiden. Might as well have a shit fit over all the other games in the franchise that changed up the core game yet used the same naming convention.
>>12640814You are basically crying about being unable to get past the tutorial. The bosses would stomp you hard if you were even capable of getting to them.
>>12640954>Might as well have a shit fit over all the other games in the franchise that changed up the core game yet used the same naming convention.Oh, we do!
>>12640107Those don't count because no one played them.
>>12638615The legend of Romani cow tits.
>>12638656>it dumps you into the town and tells you to go figure out everything for this myriad of questsI had no problem with this game back when I was 12 yo, Anon.
>>12638718there's nothing esoteric about this baby game, you only might need a guide if you wanted to absolutely 100% the game because of the huge number of collectables
>>12640943>you're a troll if you don't like MMcultist much?>>12640949OoT practically never had that and MM is that plus "what the fuck do you want from me?">>12640957I beat the game.>>12641140So? You having infinite patience to deal with shit design isn't an argument in its fabor.
>>12641165At this point t's a highly celebrated game, across multiple generations. I don't think the problem lies with my "infinite patience", Anon.I understand there may be legitimate criticism to be made, but I wouldn't frame it the way you're doing it, because it reads like you're too stupid to deal with the game.
>>12641178Highly celebrated mostly by people who played it as kids, I'd argue. Nintendo knew they fucked up with the design, since the 3DS version has the hint system that just tells you what to do.
>>12641186>Nintendo knew they fucked up with the design, since the 3DS version has the hint system that just tells you what to do>It's flawed because I have to figure things outDo brainlets really? It was probably made that way because it's on a portable system if anything and because all of Nintendo's games are easier than ever.
>>12641178>At this point t's a highly celebrated game, across multiple generations.As if there weren't many things out there that you probably find objectively terrible and yet they are celebrated too.
OoT is an original action adventure game with some thought put into its themes and design. MM is an OoT romhack cobbled together in little more than a year with none of the same restraint.
I like both OoT and MM
>>12639963Menoras mask.
>>12639963Muh chores and tasks
>>12641065I disagree, some of them were pretty famous back in the day. And it's not like Ultima is that popular anyway
>>12641246There should be a more engaging gameplay loop than following shitty NPCs around for ages. Because when I play a Zelda game I want to just sit there and wait.
>>12640761The internet’s perception of MM being 'dark and eerie' is definitely influenced by all that supplemental creepypasta shit.
>>12642491...Or by people who actually beat the game and experienced what it has to offer? People like you always claim youtubers and r*ddit or whatever are always influencing perceptions, which I don't entirely disagree with. But at the same time, the game's marketing alone is already darker and drearier than OOT. Stop letting the internet live rent free in your head and go into a game with your own thoughts and views.
>>12638615I always thought Majora’s Mask was great, especially in the context of being a sequel to Ocarina of Time. Like an early version of DLC or an expansion. I liked seeing assets reused and all the weirdness of the story. The unusual 3 days setup little missions were fun. They actually planned a 64DD zelda expansion which kind of split into MM and Master Quest. Basically I see MM as a side game but a really good one. Ocarina was so good that they almost had to do something different, and MM is a great way of mixing things up. If OOT had never been released and they had gone straight to MM I would have wondered what the fuck they were thinking.
>>12638656>the game didn't have giant quest markers telling me what to do and where to go so it's badi can't believe what i'm reading. the average zelda seether intellect at work right here
>>12638681>there's no way to know if a side quest is a side quest unless there's a giant quest log telling you that
>>12638615Shouldn't you be melting down at the sales thread?
>>12642491>The internet’s perception of MM being 'dark and eerie' is definitely influencedby youtubers, that's undeniable. If someone told me Dark Souls lore isn't jerked off due to youtube I would tell them to piss off.
Wow, lots of crybabies here who suck at games. Don't blame the GOAT Majora's Mask because you are a shit gamer and need quest markers and handholding. You suck at games. Deal with it. Play Skyrim on novice if you need to, but don't hate on this masterpiece - and if you do, you just out yourself as a low tier gamer with low IQ and bad play style. Get good.
>>12642839retard, nobody said that. How about learning to think properly?>>12642975huh?
>>12643049>nobody said thatyes you did. you said you don't like the fact that you're dumped into the town and have to figure out on your own what to do next. don't try and revise your words you weaselly limp-brained faggot
You shouldnt be allowed to post here if you don't like Zelda. You aren't cool or interesting for having pseud contrarian opinions.
>>12643085Exactly. Ban MMfags, they clearly don't like Zelda at all.
>>12643089>Ban MMfagsMMfag, singular
>>12643102kek
>>12643089I dont understand how you can hate any Zelda game from Zelda 1 through Wind Waker, all of them are so fucking good compared to other franchises that try to do the same thing. But I will forgive you for hating Twilight Princess and onwards.
>>12643079you got lost in and filtered by a game that 8 year olds have beaten and then you cry on an online imageboard when others don't get a hugbox affirming how shit you are at games. KEK WHAT A FUCKING BITCH
>>12643113>I dont understand how you can hate any Zelda game from my childhoodI wonder
>>12643149Nah man. Im 32 years old and I only grew up with Sony consoles. I didn't get around to beating OOT until my mid 20s, and I loved it so I went back and beat them in release order. I think Links Awakening is my favorite, but they are all great in their own ways and not a single one felt like it lacked in quality. I think schizos just have to make up problems in their head to not enjoy things
>>12643154I too beat OoT for the first time in my adulthood and enjoyed it a ton. Went back to play the rest, then did MM and found it to be a snoozefest.
>>12643154>OOT in my mid 20s>I loved itSo you're a retard
>>12643164name a better fantasy adventure game with puzzle dungeons. Do it. go.
>>12643170Don't know what he hates about OoT, there's some niggles but overall it's a great title.
>>12643170>name a better fantasy adventure game with puzzle dungeons. Do it. go.Troon RaiderThe puzzles in the dungeons are shite. play a real puzzle game
>>12643085>You shouldnt be allowed to post here if you don't like Zelda>>12643113>any Zelda game from Zelda 1 through Wind WakerZelda may as well stopped being Zelda after that hack Aonuma took over, who doesn't even like the original game and still was told to take over.>>12643170Zelda is not about puzzles. Also Castlevania 64 and Legacy of Darkness.
>>12643193>incelI have a loving partner, though. I just simply think MM is boring and not fun :) Sorry that makes your wound itch, sis!
>>12643181Not every game has to be about challenge.>>12643227>castlevania 64So you're just a memer I see. Le heckin contrarian opinion is actually correct against popular opinion. So original bro. I would have accepted Alundra, Beyond Oasis, Goemons Great Adventure, Kings Field 4, you know something with taste. But no. Castlevania 64. lel.
>>12643345Just say you got filtered by it despite not being that hard. Also none of the games you mentioned are proper 3D action adventure games; King's Field 4 is also a 6th gen game that came out three years later.
>>12643358I got filtered by how much dick it sucked and how gay i felt for playing it.
>>12643345>Not every game has to be about challenge.Yes it does pussyAnd GGA is the platformer, mythical ninja is the bitchmade zelda-like
