Tomb Raider is so much better designed than Ocarina Of Time but doesn't have "vibes and feels" so it doesn't carry the same "masterpiece reputation" because the average gamer is an unironic retard who doesn't think about game design at all
>>12641323I have a theory that Zelda got this undeserved reputation because Mario doesn't have high fantasy swords and sorcery. And normies are retarded. That setting automatically means it's more highly regarded because it's the most core setting that a tendy wants to Nintendo's brand. Everything beyond that has always been secondary. Prior to BotW being forced to actually change it up it always coasted on 'Mario characters but in a setting I know you dumb faggot would REALLY rather be in'. Which really sucks because Mario is so much more well designed and creative. But swords. That's all there is to it.
>>12641323Cistern was a slog, but it had a nice ambiance to it.
>>12641323Tomb Raider doesn't have a hookshot, so it's worse.
>>12641323tomb raider is essentially a memorization game, no real puzzle solving or thinking required. it's pretty shallow. it was only big at the time because it was novel and normies had playstations
>>12641467>it's pretty shallowdeep*
>>12641506i'm not even bothering to look at all thatyou can make a giant autistic infodump about anything, doesn't make it actually deep
nintendo bad
>>12641528unironic boomer brainrot, you're everything wrong with this board lol
>>12641323Tomb Raider is a hard game, Ocarina of Time can be beaten by a 5 year old. THAT is why OoT is better remembered.
>>12641323>Tomb Raider is so much better designed than Ocarina Of TimeHow? TR's grid-based movement and primitive lock-on targeting implementation feel like they belong to an entirely different generation than OoT. TR may have been hot shit on release, but it was quickly surpassed.
>>12641551yeah i'm sure what's wrong with this board is there's not enough people autistically hyperfixating on mid games.
>>12641323What do you mean? Tomb Raider 1 is 100% considered a masterpiece. It's one of the greatest games ever made, canonically.
>>12641506Oh hey, this retard is trying to post his bullshit stupid-faggotry on /vr/ again to make it look "real". Not on my watch!
>>12641323the impotent rage aimed toward objective masterpieces is my favorite /vr/ poster. such a pathetic creature.
>>12641323OoT was designed for 5 year olds
>>12641323game design is best when you don't notice it, if you don't understand that you won't ever be able to make a good gamevibes and feels are unironically the only thing that matters, everything else exists to facilitate those
>>12641935spoken like a true retard
>>12641935Retard
Based chadcarina still making virgins seethe
>>12641467>normies had playstationsWe also had computers meanwhile your third world ass was playing Mega Drive
>>12641935>vibes and feels are unironically the only thing that mattersYou touch upon the truth, but ruin it with exaggeration. Too bad online discourse has to be like this
>>12641380Yep. It's amazing how far something can carry something.
>>12641323you think so?
>>12641879> this retard is trying to post his bullshit stupid-faggotry on /vr/ again to make it look "real".I hate when they do that because it's so fucking obvious too. Like that faggot that spammed his useless 10 mins long "modding community news videos". Thankfully /vr/ always BTFOs them, keep up the good work. Anyway shit like that were inevitable since the mememaster released
>>12642109what in the fuck are you babbling about
>>12641323Oot with Tomb Raider platforming would be perfect.
>cherry picking trash photo comparison Very low IQ>>12641323How big of a noob are you that you compare a barely playable platformer to the goat? Time to sign off and give up gaming forever. >>12641380You have to be 18 to post here.
Tomb Raiders controls are fucking cancer. Ocarina of Time is a masterpiece because they literally invented a camera and control system that every fucking 3d action game uses at this point, almost 30 years later.Im not saying Tomb Raider is a bad game, but you're a retard if you don't understand why OOT is regarded as a masterpiece.
>>12643065>man points at moon>idiot looks at his finger...do you think the comparison is about graphics rather than level design for an obviously similar concept of navigating an underwater level and switching water levels back and forth? ...and you call others low iq? ootfarts aren't very bright
>>12643068is this a joke post? has to be parody
>>12643075Shut up retard. There are a bajillion souls clones that literally trace their camera and movement system to OOT. Tomb Raiders dated shitty controls got left in the dust because western devs didn't quite understand controls for 3d games yet.
>>12643068Obviously OP is a retard, but it's clear he has no clue what hes talking about. He chose the water temple as his comparison, when the water temple has one of the most original groundbreaking an epic scenes of all time in any video game, one of the toughest fights in the came, the shadow link battle. This battle is S Goat Teir and hardly any modern games can compare to this one epic scene, the soundscape, scenario, scenery, emotional content, all of is it beyond legendary goated status.
>>12643086lol
>>12643101Don't be mad you never got this far in the game. I know it's hard for you without quest markers.
>>12643086Yeah even if Zelda controlled like shit like most early 3d action adventure games (which it doesn't) Zelda OOT is still at nearly the peak of aesthetics, music, artstyle, pacing, attention to detail, etc. It wasn't until I played RE4 did I feel like a game ever felt as tightly designed in terms pacing and adventure, with such a fresh take on gameplay and controls. Tomb Raider is western slop in comparison. Like I said, I still love Tomb Raider, but when you try to compare it to the japanese bigdogs you get made fun of and look like a bitch like this >>12643101 faggot
>>12643068Tomb Raider is one of the best controlling platformers ever. It's all about that grid movement, and manually clutching platforms.
>>12643086>retard doesn't realize that Tomb Raider did an even better face off against a doppelganger, firstmany such cases
>>12643086>one of the most originalyou know dark link was the last boss in zelda 2 right? They did that bit already
>>12643118yeah its so good that we see a bunch of tomb raider clones in the modern era.
>>12643086that battle was piss easy dogshit, just hit him with the hammerI have no idea why people praise it
>>12641323LOL, Water Temple is a hundred times better than the cistern, which is just a very linear progression of get key to open locked area and then get key there to unlock another locked door you were not allowed to get so you can get another key to unlock another door you were not allowed to explore.And outside of two times, you only have to raise and lower the level in Tomb Raider twice to finish the area.Whereas Water Temple actually has the water level deeply integrated into it's design in a multi level puzzle the Cistern is just a hub area with self enclosed side rooms who's sole purpose is to unlock the next linear area.What level of retardation do you have to be in to consider a level and series that has been mostly discarded by time to something that has been universally understood to set standards?
>>12643119OK there Bucko, ever heard of Zelda 2: AoL?
>>12643086Only a sheltered white or asian amerizoomerlenial would find this legendary or "goated."Yawn. N64 boss fights ain't shit.
>>12643163>Zelda 2: AoL?Are you gonna admit it's better than oot?
>>12643134007 First Light just came out, so,
>>12643335How tf is first light have anything to do with tomb raider 1 . dumb....
>>12643347Tomb Raider led to Uncharted, and then you have 007 First Light an Uncharted clone. You need to go outside.
>>12643350Tomb Raider didn't leave to uncharted that was naughty dog you mad mad bastard. I will strangle you with my black cock.
>>12643369you're an idiot.
