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That's just a standalone game with an extra (optional) feature doe

>>12644976
it's part 2 of the actual standalone game, sonic 3.

>>12644982
headcanon

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>>12644985
but it's true doe

>>12644987
no it isn't. Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles are separate, complete games. They just have a cool extra feature together.

>>12644994
the beginning of Sonic and Knuckles is nothing like a beginning zone and the zones you play after are long and feel like endgame setpieces, you cannot obtain the super emeralds because it requires the game to be locked on which only further proves it is part 2 of a 2 part game which should've been released as one.

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>not posting the actual DLC for a 8-bit handheld

(You) are uncultured

>>12645002
>nothing like a beginning zone
tf you mean? it's a piss-easy bright green zone with chill happy music just like all the other first zones in sonic
>the zones you play after are long
well yeah, it's a harder game than sonic 3. so?
>and feel like endgame setpieces
that's just your opinion, I don't get that vibe at all
>you cannot obtain the super emeralds
that's just a fun bonus for the lock on. the super emeralds have literally never appeared again so I don't think they're meant to be considered narratively important. each game has its own complete set of actual chaos emeralds.
your headcanon doesn't hold up, anon.

>>12645009
>tf you mean? it's a piss-easy bright green zone with chill happy music just like all the other first zones in sonic
I don't mean the difficulty, the start of every sonic zone up to 3 itself was always green and blue, with a sea in the background and green grass everywhere. Mushroom hill is nothing like it, doesn't feel much like a starting location for a sonic game.
>well yeah, it's a harder game than sonic 3. so?
Being longer doesn't make it any harder, it just feels to long far to early in which should usually be near the end.
>that's just your opinion, I don't get that vibe at all
Does sandopolis seem like a mid game zone to you? Maybe that is just personal opinion but for me it never did feel like one.
>hat's just a fun bonus for the lock on. the super emeralds have literally never appeared again so I don't think they're meant to be considered narratively important. each game has its own complete set of actual chaos emeralds.
your headcanon doesn't hold up, anon.
The existence of them and being only obtainable in the locked on version only proves the vision was you are playing the game locked on, not separate. You don't even get to experience all of Knuckles' unique routes in Sonic 3 because you are playing the halfway point instead of the first part.

>>12645004
>(You) are uncultured
Handhelds were never my thing so I guess you're right.

>>12644994
No, they are two halves of the same game that was haphazardly cut into two pieces. This is not something that is up for debate. Its known.

>>12645021
>Mushroom hill is nothing like it
aside from the sea it's the same shit. I imagine they didnt want to exactly copy a game they released six months earlier, no?
>Does sandopolis seem like a mid game zone to you?
Yes. Why wouldn't it?
>The existence of them and being only obtainable in the locked on version only proves the vision was you are playing the game locked on
how? that doesnt logically follow at all.
they exist as a fun bonus, that's all.

>>12645032
I... don't think that's a real thing, anon.

>>12645043
>aside from the sea it's the same shit. I imagine they didnt want to exactly copy a game they released six months earlier, no?
Sega admitted themselves they regret splitting S3&K into 2 parts for the sake of a Mcdonalds commercial, how do you exactly refute this? I don't intend to be obnoxious either i'm just curious on how you explain this. Also Angel Island fitting the same criteria I just listed is more proof it was the intended first zone, thus the intended game is locked on. Even advertisers said Sonic and Knuckles was intended to be locked on, my box art says the exact thing I can happily take a picture right now to prove it.
>Yes. Why wouldn't it?
It is way to long, this is usually a phenomenon with late game zones if we go by the genesis games track record, metrepolis zone for sonic 2, scrap brain zone for sonic 1, you get the point.
>how? that doesnt logically follow at all.
they exist as a fun bonus, that's all.
Because that bonus is only obtainable by locking on the game due to the time constraints well documented with this game, why would a bonus be put behind buying an entirely new different game if it wasn't for that reason alone?

>>12644975
>an addon that is big enough to be its own game and can be played as such is comparable to some paid model reskins
i mean i guess if you only attached sonic 2 to it sure

>>12645269
>An addon required to get the proper ending to a game you paid for almost a year ago that also includes all the additional bonus content like the super emeralds
you can't justify it, no matter what.

>>12645250
>Sega admitted themselves they regret splitting S3&K into 2 parts for the sake of a Mcdonalds commercial,
that... sounds made up, anon.

>>12645303
This entire thread is made up bullshit because some kiddo wants to fight with literally anyone over anything.

>>12645303
>>12645323
Takashi has said he regrets the decision to split the game in favour of a mcdonalds commercial, please stop being so disingenious when it's a google search away.

>>12645359
We know the story. Doesn't mean they weren't able to salvage S&K into a complete game and no one at the time suspected otherwise.

>>12645359
that sounds fake as hell anon

>>12645371
>>12645385
why are you samefagging? i guess we weren't having a real conversation at all, what a shame /vr/ has gone down the tube like this.

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>>12645402
Tell me about it.

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>>12645402
come again?

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>>12645405
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>>12645409
??????

>>12644975
I rather have "physical dlc" i can buy whenever i want, as opposed to digital only which might get delisted.

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>>12644975
the difference is S3&K is the best platformer ever made, so it's fine when SEGA did it

i forget how young this board is now. kids fully don't know the difference between dlc and an expansion pack.

>>12645465
Sonic 2 is better.

>>12645476
for me to poop on

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>>12645465
>>12645476
>>12645519
both mogged by the original sonic the hedgehig

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Unpopular opinion, but Sonic & Knuckles is the better half of S3&K. Sonic 3 is piss easy, anyone can beat that game. S&K is where it really gets difficult.
>Mushroom Hill is easy, sure, but Flying Battery tests your platforming abilities in an immensely difficult manner, where not being crushed by the magnetic spikes is the main source of difficulty, and is way harder than Hydrocity’s water sections, Marble Garden’s spinning tops, or the barrel of doom.
>Sandopolis challenges the player through the passing of time; act 1’s quick sand and slow pathways takes up a lot of time for noobs, and Act 2 has the GHOSTS of doom, quicksand that are hell for scrubs as well, but can be bypassed by pros.
>Lava Reef has the crushing spikes & exploding badniks which act as filters.
>Death Egg is pure skill-based platforming; you can bypass the yellow teleporters if you understand the right paths, and the electric ground & elevators actually challenge the player, which Launch Base does not do at all

TL;DR: Sonic 3 is for scrubs

>>12644975
There's also Gran Turismo making you pay for beta versions of games, and Pokemon games being split into two versions each

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>>12645021
>I don't mean the difficulty, the start of every sonic zone up to 3 itself was always green and blue
Sonic 3 already subverted this by lighting the opening level on fire, so by this time it was no longer a rule. But more to the point, Mushroom Hill is absolutely green and blue, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>12645808
>Unpopular opinion, but Sonic & Knuckles is the better half of S3&K

I think that’s the popular opinion.

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>>12645818
I wouldn’t say so.
When most people mention S3&K, they mostly mention zones like Ice Cap, Launch Base, Carnival Night, etc; along with the role that Michael Jackson played in producing its soundtrack.
The general consensus is that S3 is better.
Since I don’t think I can link anything here, if you look up basically anywhere in threads or reviews about S3&K, there’s a constant reminder from fans that S3 is better

>>12645830
>Launch Base, Carnival Night
Who the hell likes these levels? They suck ass.
>general consensus
Tautology. Post dismissed.

>>12645812
>Mushroom Hill is absolutely green and blue
At least until Act 2 when you see Eggman's machine making everything grayer and deader.

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>>12645840
>At least until Act 2
Is the sky orange here? Is the grass purple?

Mushroom Hill definitely feels like a 1st Sonic game zone

>>12644975
That was a game that could use data from other games, like Fallout Tale of Two Wastelands or Baldur's Gate Trilogy mods.

>>12644994
Sonic & Knuckles is what we call a "Standalone Expansion".

>>12645994
>Standalone Expansion
contradiction in terms