Why do retarded people want to call every adventure platformer a metroidvania
>>12646023It's only a Metroidvania if there is lots of back tracking in order to progress, player choice in which routes to take, multiple ways to solve problems, and rpg elements in a rather large 2D platformer.
Probably because nobody has been able with an actual proper term for them, and contrarians keep trying to pretend shit like adventure platformer is going to stick.
>>12646029sidescrolling adventureif there's lots of action,sidescrolling action-adventureif it doesn't EVEN scroll,platform adventure
>>12646029japs call them search action games
>>12646023because they are in competition with the roguelike people to have the largest group of retards
metroidvania = game w/ locked doors
>>12646517That's even more retarded than making a portmanteau of two barely related theories of game design
>>12646023videoadventure, as opposed to text adventure
Reminder that if there are no RPG mechanics it's not a Metroidvania, it's just a Metroidlike.
Metroid is a Semi nonlinear Action Platformer with Ability Based Progression Or SNAPwABP for short
>>12646853there's only 3 categories of games: action, RPG, and puzzle
>>12646853those are adjectives, not genres
>>12646035>Hey, have you heard about this sidescrolling action-adventure game?No one in their right mind would speak like this.
>>12646913metroidvania sounds retarded while that just sounds verbose
>>12646913> Hey, have you heard about this adventure game? It's a sidescroller.Try that you mong
>>12646023because it's funsometimes it's fun to research odd topicsand sometimes it's fun to discuss those odd topics with other people who share your interests, even if there's no practical reasonhope this helps, anon
>>12646919At least it's a singular word, imagine calling racing games "vehicular third-person speed competition", it'd be as retarded as calling platformers "Mariopitfalls">>12646921>It's a sidescroller.Got it, Mario and Castlevania are the same thing.
>>12646931you say the genre first, adventure, and then you insert your adjectives that make this game unique. it's a sidescroller, how special.
>>12646937In Metal Slug you go in adventures in a sidescroller fashion. Is Metal Slug a sidescrolling adventure? Your terms are way too broad.
>>12646941Metal slug is not an adventure game. Zork is an adventure game. Zelda is an action-adventure game. Metroid is like Zelda, except it's a platformer, a distinction almost not worth mentioning. Is Metroid Prime a metroidvania? No, because metroidvania is a meaningless term.
>>12646945>Metroid is like Zelda, except it's a platformer, a distinction almost not worth mentioning.Well, you make a good point. I thought I was getting somewhere but you are actually right. I still think there's enough of a distinction as you kind of need to have some skill to traverse platforms as opposed to just holding a direction. But at that point it's just more of an extra layer of action instead of something else entirely.
>>12646957Also remember Retro Studios always insisted Prime was... A first-person adventure
>>12646023You don't speak for all retarded people bub
I just call them all games with no descriptors.
>>12647114It's vidyalikes or vidyalites for me, depending on how many meters of gameplay they have.
>>12646023I'm sorry, couldn't hear you because I was playing the best MetroidVania there is.
>>12646028>player choice in which routes to takeIronically most metroidvanias are linear. Including Symphony of the night.
>>12646517"Serach action" sounds like Where's Waldo with combat
>>12646681Yeah I generally just call these games Metroidlikes because that's what the vast majority of them seem to be
>>12646907Adjectives that describe the genre that is metroidvania
Did someone say "Metroidvania"?
>>12647764If people hadn't been diluting the "Adventure" tag you wouldn't need a genre label named after 2 games.I saw God of War labeled "Action-Adventure", this game has little in common with adventure games or traditional action-adventures. Any action game with a plot was labeled action-adventure for a while and it made that label completely useless.
metroidvania was specifically for castlevania games in the metroid styledont know why it became the genre name, just call them metroid clones
>>12646023My favorites are the retards who call the original metroid a metroidvania.
I will NEVER refer to these types of games as "Metroidvanias". I will refer to them as "those types of games" if I must, but I will NOT refer to them as "Metroidvanias" because I actually listen to what I'm saying and I try not to make a habit of letting retarded words or phrases pass my lips without good reason. I would literally rather take a few more minutes to explain to your addled mind what I mean, and you'll hopefully learn something from the experience.
>>12648127That's just how language works. Nowadays, Metroidvania refers to the idea of backtracking and getting new abilities in a general way, like Hollow Knight or Momodora.You can say Metroid-like for games that more specifically play like Metroid, like Zexion.
>>12648268That's a very effective way to make people hate you.
>>12648412Eh, I'm a conservative in a left-leaning state. I'm used to people hating me.
>>12646023it's silly isn't it? especially considering that castlevania has turned into a kind of metroid game by symphony of the night, so there's no more vania in the metroidvania.
>>12646681I would say melee combat more than RPG mechanics. Maybe melee with an inventory.
>>12646029>to pretend shit like adventure platformer is going to stick.It has stuck for decades by now, problem is it refers to games like Dizzy and Spellbound.
>>12648419So am I, and GenX unc to boot, but your fundamental premise here is stupid. There's nothing wrong with using the term metroidvania, it has an accepted and widely-understood meaning, making it a useful term to use in conversation. Going out of your way to avoid the term is the stupis shit passing through your lips.
>>12646860Four elements of video game genre: action, adventure, puzzle, simulation.Everything else is just some mixture of these
>>12649730There's actually only two: Menus and Parkour
>>12647617>The Silent Scope sequel we always needed
>>12649665No, it's fucking retarded, I will assume you're retarded if you continue using it, and I will end this conversation if necessary to maintain what little dignity you have left.
>>12649889NTA but FPS were doom clones before a better term came along. Every attempt at doing so for Metroidvania has been shit, so the term persists because it does the job well due to widespread familiarity. It gets the job done since most people understand the commonalities between the two without being too specific or too broad.
>>12649891Nope. Not saying it. Castlevania didn't even have anything in common with Metroid until SotN, and there was a nearly 20-year gap between Fusion and Dread. The term means nothing to me, and quite frankly, it sounds retarded, like something an ESL would think up. I don't know how you can even say it with a straight face. Honestly, refining it even just a little would help. Metrovania, perhaps.
>>12649897>Nope. Not saying itThats fine, but people will understand what you mean if you did, which is the point of classifications in the first place.>Castlevania didn't even have anything in common with Metroid until SotNGuess Castlevania 2 never existed.>and there was a nearly 20-year gap between Fusion and DreadWho gives a fuck, not retro. Why do people still understand Roguelikes when its not exactly a flourishing series, and is known to most people more for the games that follow its formula?>The term means nothing to meAnd it means plenty to people who aren't you. >like something an ESL would think upAn ESL would use a term like "Search Action" because often times descriptive terms sound better in other languages and don't translate well. The whole argument behind localization as a concept is that literal translations don't always convey the same point in different languages.> Honestly, refining it even just a little would help. Metrovania, perhaps.Metro depicts a city environment, ESL projection-kun.
>>12649907>people will understandSome people would understand "fr fr ong no cap", but I have standards.>Castlevania 2Yeah, no one played that.>RoguelikeThat at least doesn't include syllables that are painful for English speakers to pronounce. Honestly, "Metroidvania" sounds like a Russian psyop or something.>people who aren't youWho cares about them?>N-NO U R ESL!Don't project your projection onto ME, mister. I had chicken and whiskey for dinner.>Metro depicts a city environmentAnd "Metrovania" brings to mind a vampire-alien invasion in an old castle on a planet in a galaxy far, far away, and we know not all those types of games depict that.
>>12649917>And "Metrovania" brings to mind"Metroidvania", rather.
>>12649917Take your meds>>12649918lmao
>>12649923I am sufficiently medicated, just bored. Played all the games I care to play.
"Metrovania" projects "gay dance club" lmfao
>>12649934Yeah, kind of, but least it's pronounceable. It's a step in the right direction. Honestly, this whole issue could be resolved by simply using the term "search action platformer". That's only one more syllable than "first-person shooter", and if you can shorten that to FPS, you could shorten "search action platformer" to SAP. You can't shorten "Metroidvania".
>>12649934It makes me think of a series of games made in Philadelphia
>>12649934Ok smart guy, what would YOU call them? Hmm?
>>12649948Johnvanias
>>12649951Preferable to "Metroidvania". Seriously, does no one else want to rip their tongue out when trying to say that? Like, actually SAY it like you're trying to say it on the fly in a normal conversation. It HURTS, man. Maybe it's just a regional dialect thing.
>>12646517*exploration
>>12647783>talks about jp exclusive games even though he's a pseud that knows shit-all about the language or their culture>won't miss a single chance to make some passive aggressive "japan LE BAD bcos their old culture doesn't match my current leftoid american culture!" comment whenever possible>shoves random references to whatever the latest leftist FOTM is on every other videoYou have no idea how much I hate this turbo faggot.
>>12646023people calling them Metroidvania y nowhere near as annoyking than people complaining about it.
>>12649993Oh, yes, you are.
>>12646023Sorcerian is such a beautiful game. Snapshots of it still look like hidden art to me
>>12650131https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6dvdodkBnM
>>12646517SearchscrollerBeltsearcherSearchformer
>>12649748Based
we call them dragon's trap-likes around here
>>12646553Resident evil is a metroidvania? Zelda is a metroidvania? Hugo's House of Horrors is a metroidvania??? Shadowgate is a metroidvania????
>>12646931More like MarioSanics. And then the autists would take offense at claim sanic-likes are not mario-likes.
>>12648054Tomb Raider is a linear stage based game with zero backtracking and no item based progression and no interconnected game world. That was called "action adventure".
>>12647617thank you for the hearty chuckle, anon. Needed that.
It's just a platformer, as simple as. Nintendo zoomers created all these separate terms because they are all retards.Read up some game magazines from 1980s.
>>12651174tomb raider takes place in a cave which makes it a metroidvania
>>12651162Metroidvania is literally those types of games but from a profile perspective. That's literally what a Metroidvania is. Metroid has always just been sidescrolling Zelda.>>12646681That makes no sense. Super Metroid doesn't have RPG elements. Unless you're saying upgrades are RPG elements, in which case that makes Zelda an RPG too.
