How did Microsoft end up decisively honing in on the final form of the gamepad?
They mashed together the DualShock and Dreamcast's controller.
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>>12648131scroll wheel penis
>>12648128It's simple as this. They just copied what worked.GOAT console controller though.
>>12648131I unironically love all their weird directinput controllers, i miss those days of playing zsnes with your weird microsoft gamepad
>>12648131>>12648146Man I hated the time when you couldn't find a PC controller without the fucked, mushy D-pads like those.
>>12648157I understand that take, but I was happy to play free SNES games without using the keyboard. It felt like i'd cheated the universe.
>>12648159It was the same for me with the Gravis Gamepad, which also had a mushy D-pad and strangely also came with a stick you could screw into it to play it like a mini arcade control, which amplified the problem tenfold. Shit was still kino to emulate with a controller on PC at the time.
>>12648126they copied the final form and just made it legally distinct (worse)
>>12648202>worset. tiny hands
>>12648202This. Using an offset analog stick is more comfortable than using an offset dpad like the Xbox has.
>>12648202PS1 and PS2 controllers feel like hugging an anorexic woman. Xbox controller is thick and smooth. It actually feels good to hold.
>>12648126>the final form of the gamepaddoesnt exist, the best gamepad for a 3d game and a 2d game cannot be the same.
>>12648461sure it can, see >>12648202it's literally a snes pad, but with handles, and analog sicks in a different spot
>>12648126by making the sticks assymetrical like god intended
>>12648474>and analog sicks in a different spotwhich makes using them worse
>>12648202Sony could have done it before, but now they're stuck with this controller which is their brand image.
>>12648496absolutely cursed
>>12648504i've never been one to say "cursed" but i looked at >>12648496 and that's all i could think of, like that is just wrong.
>>12648131>>12648146Does the microclit feel good?>>12648336Try not gorilla palming it monkey boy
>>12648157Thanks nintendo
>>12648504>>12648510Wrong in what way? Using a joystick for 3D games?? Sega placed its joystick correctly. Nintendo placed its joystick correctly. Microsoft placed its joystick correctly. Sony kept its D-pad for 2D games.
>>12648126>>12648202>>12648534*ahem*
>>12648345The Xbox analog stick layout makes the most sense for games that use it.if game uses a dpad to a significant extend, you just use a SNES/Saturn controller.
>>12648575best timeline
>>12648126>final form>next Xbox controller moved the B and W buttons to the shoulders like Sony did 10 years earlier
>>12648336A smaller controller means more reach and more dexterity in your fingers.
>>12648202kek
>>12648516Fuck I forgot that was why. You have to wonder how much better console and even handheld gaming could have been by now if not for Nintendo's patent bullshit.
>>12648534Nobody holds controllers like this you black ape gorilla freak
>>12648772holy schizo
>>12648202I'll probably always prefer this layout. I played Xbox and Gamecube at my friends' houses, but I didn't own a console with asymmetrical sticks until like '05-'06 when I got my own GC. It's too ingrained at this point, from NES to PS3.>>12648496I cannot stand using a lower d-pad for extended periods of time like I can a stick, for some reason. I'm fine with left-over-right asymmetry, but the opposite will leave me feeling uncomfortable without fail. I think any platform that has a considerable amount of 2D or menuing games needs a d-pad up top, so the DS was a good move.
Everyone kvetching ITT about the left d-pad/stick placement have probably used both extensively and barely noticed the difference, yet here they are trying to convince everyone that one way or the other is superior. This is called cognitive dissonance.
Cory Delaminguez would say otherwise
>>12648575that's if 9/11 never happened
Are people who complain about stick placement just less evolved or something? Like physically? Do they lack opposability in their thumbs or something? I have never felt discomfort from having to bend my thumb to touch a control stick like they seem to.
>>12648813Fully extend your thumb, move it around, notice how it doesn't move perfectly smoothly and clicks in and out of positions, now bend your thumb at a 90 degree angle and move it, notice how it moves smoothly without hindrance. It's that simple.
>>12648842It boggles the mind. I could switch between a PS2 and OG Xbox controller day by day and not miss a beat. I do like that the Xbox controller is so thick but the difference isn't that big a deal. I play something with the PS2 controller for 5 minutes and I've already stopped thinking about it.Then again, 4chan would die overnight if not for the complaint threads.
>>12648867I'm not saying this couldn't be an issue for some people, but in most cases a minor adjustment to the way you hold the controller is all you need. Personally, I don't know how anyone can play with either controller centered on their lap. The extended handles are there so you can anchor the controller against your thigh, which gives you maximum control and minimizes the impact/reverberations from fast button presses.
>>12648534see, the problem with the dreamcast controller on full display. god i hate that controller.
>>12648575metroid... on dreamcast 2?
>>12648602that was a mistake, although putting them in the L4/R4 positions like the 8bitdo pro would be a step up
>>12648575why is there start/select on the top and on the side?
>>12648126The final form of the gamepad are those where you can pop out the stick and the dpad and swap their positions whenever you want. Its a shame that modular concept seemingly died
The duke and the S are both great but the dpad was absolute shit, anyone who used it as an emulation box knew this the moment they played older games on it.>Ergonomics argument about the placementWho fucking cares. People have been sperging about this shit for decades in either direction, when its just a matter of personal preference. Both are natural positions that people gravitate to one way or the other.
>>12648740Couldn't they have copied Sega's d-pad instead?
Nothing beats the dualshocks. I really like the Dualshock 4, it's weighted just right.I have an xbox controller on my lap though. They're cheap, only reason I have it.
>>12648534What is the image trying to say? I don't see any consistent criteria for determining red vs green
>>12649757Thumbs are at different angles in red.
>>12649769"My right arm is a LOT stronger than my left arm."
>>12649769>Thumbs are at different angles in redDifferent from each other or different from the other group of controllers?Neither of those looks to be true
>>12649757>>12649787STOP. LIKING. PLAYSTATION.
>>12649787They're trying to argue that Sony's thumbstick placement is unnatural, since it has your thumb at a different angle than most other controllers. Something that took people less time to adjust to than remembering the face button order for most people, but their tism doesn't allow them to adjust the directions their thumb moves. Its the same spacial retardation that prevents people from being able to use tank controls, they can't imagine not having a precalibrated due north.
>>12649793I appreciate you sharing your opinion because I get to address to retarded points at once. Just like tank controls noone is having a mental block over a stick placement and cant comprehend it. The argument has always been and will always be that the dualshock stick placement and tank controls are just objectively worse. Its that simple.
>>12649808>noone is having a mental block over a stick placement and cant comprehend itCope>The argument has always been and will always be that the dualshock stick placement and tank controls are just objectively worse.Considering its an opinion based argument, there is no objective standard. The reason people assume you're retarded or autistic is because you can't understand such a simple principle.
>>12649808I have an xbox series S in my hand right now.Natural thumb position is on the d-pad. Apparently I hold the controller at an angle.Dualshock is best.
>>12649219Thats symphony of the night's map you troglodyte. Lurk moar.
>>12649793>They're trying to argue that Sony's thumbstick placement is unnatural, since it has your thumb at a different angle than most other controllersThen NES should be red because the right thumb is more horizontal than Sony's thumbs?
>>12649831Its specifically focused on the left thumb with autismal focus. The right thumb changes continuously and once the right stick is introduced many games start to make the default position on the stick rather than the face buttons so it kills their argument. The only way to take the argument as genuine is to assume they cannot stand having any variation in the direction they press their thumb with their orientation when moving. More likely its just argument bait shitposting though.
>>12648146I didn't, they sucked.
>>12648131>get mad and throw controller>it suddenly reverses direction and comes back to you
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>>12648146I grew up with this, it is kino.
microsoft fully committing to ideal analog ergonomics made sense given their scant japanese support and focus on cutting edge western games. the ps2 still having a very significant 2d niche with fighting games and other digitally controlled japanese genres it was reasonable to trade suboptimal analog placement for a usable dpad this paid off even more so with the retro indie boom in the seventh gen.so you never need to shitpost about it again.
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>>12648126>>12648602It's weird how people seem to forget bumpers weren't standard until the 7th gen.
>>12650554you mean shoulder buttons?
>>12650569Bumpers as in the buttons that sit alongside triggers.
>>12650578not sure what you mean
>>12650652gamecube and xbox didnt have it
>>12649712those are extra function buttons on the side
>>12648202Even the playstation controllers have copied the ergonomics of xbox controllers (post duke)
>>12651142i wouldn't know, i haven't used a console newer than the original xbox
>>12650652he meant standardized, not first invented
>>12651359ok, how did the xbox controller, something without two shoulder buttons per side, standardise something the playstation had been doing 11 years before the xbox 360 came out?
>>12651373he said 2 bumpers (aka shoulder buttons) were not yet in all 3 brands together until 7th gen, PS3 Xbox 360 Wii, because 6th gen they were missing from Xbox Gamecube
>>12648126Take Dreamcast controllerAdd a second stickThat was it.Oh the DC controller still works natively on all Xbox's, if you run the gambit of daisy chaining adapters the Xbox will understand the inputs.Test it for yourself.
I pick the gigachad, perfect form, shape.Asymmetrical controller is an abomination, an affront to the laws of nature.The playstation controller's design deserves credit for the console's success. It's the most successful retro console of all time because it got everything right, including the controller. Not only the design, but also very durable and robust. Mine still fucking works.
I wish it was more fun to use.
>>12650652Those are 2 shoulder buttons, not a bumper and a trigger.
>>12649757This was legitimately bothering me for like a minute straight
>>12651881a trigger is just an ergonomic shoulder button. Nintendo even called their L and R on GCN "buttons"
>>12648131BRING BACK THE FUN(directinput is based)
>>12648126Not quite. The black and white buttons should have been shoulder buttons.
>>12653870controller s is like 95% there man
>>12648516>>12648740>B-B-BUT NINTENDOthere were plenty of other perfectly good d-pads that weren't patentedkeep seething, snoys
