>west makes a JRPG style game and beats nips at their own game in youre path
>>12651689That one is an unfinished mess, fuck no
>>12651689>west makes a JRPG style gamepic unrelated?
>>12651689i mean, its a better mana game than legend, but it's not a jrpg, it's an arpg, and it's not as good as the other 16 bit mana games. still good though. the magic system is pretty cool.
>>12651697Maybe he meant Expedition 33, but thats not vr
>>12652056Or maybe Anachronox, which is even more (in fact MUCH more) of an unfinished mess than Secret of Evermore, but is also a pretty good game (arguably) in spite of that. Or maybe The Desolate Room, which is actually good, but no, OP has surely not played that.
>>12652056>>12652163No, I didn't mean those you seething weebs. I precisely posted the correct game I meant to post.
>he made this thread againcircling the drain
>>12651689I agree, it was better than Mana and more soulful to boot. I never knew it was made by western devs though. I always figured the same team made both games.
>>1265168980s sci-fi movie style premise > generic fantasy
>>12651981I have a hard time placing it compared to Mana games, because its so fucking cool with shit like the alchemy system and the distinction between the eras, but its always been pretty rough. Shame it filters so many people apparently.
>west makes a commercial romhack based on a popular Japanese Action RPG and people claim it superior instead of derivative
I loved mid maxing the market place. Wish it had new game plus so you could get all the items
>>12653124You might have more fun playing through it instead of just shitposting. Its a fun game and few games play anything like it.
>>12653136I played it before you were born. It's derivative, it plays very much like SoM.Praising a derivation for exceeding its direct inspiration isn't a "win".
>>12653128That was the most stressful part of the game from what I remember. Fuck missables.
>>12653146>I played it before you were born. It's derivative, it plays very much like SoM.So you didn't play it, gotcha.
>>12653124Are you ok, anon? It's the same fucking company, they were told to make it that way, and it was presented as a spiritual sequel. You probably hate sequels too.
>>12653170Nah anon you don't get it, iteration doesn't exist, only derivation. RPGs peaked at Adventure. Maybe even earlier, D&D 1E? Shaman storytellers? Only he truly knows.
>>12653165I beat it before you were born.Are you this bothered by objective facts?>>12653170It's a completely different group of people making a SoM clone using Square editors.The point I'm making is that "superiority" of a derivation is a retard slapfight, because things build off of each other. It's like saying Dragon Quest is better than Ultima and Wizardry, well DQ wouldn't exist without them. Lineage is important, context is important.
>>12653175Brainlet, derivation isn't a curse word. This game is derivative.
>>12651689>and beats nips at their own gameThis game fucking sucks ass, wtf are you on about
>>12653178>I beat it before you were born.>Are you this bothered by objective facts?Impossibilities aren't facts, but sure. Sleep well tonight.>It's like saying Dragon Quest is better than Ultima and Wizardry, well DQ wouldn't exist without them. Lineage is important, context is important.Then you have to go back further, since Ultima and Wizardry wouldn't exist without the analog games they were structured off of. I wish you well on your ouroboros hunt for the origin you seek.
>>12653193>Then you have to go back furtherYou've missed the point so hard that I'm legitimately shocked.Wizardry is a derivation of Oubliette.
>>12653178It's unrealistic to expect people not to comment on which of two similar games was more enjoyable to them. People do that with sequels, ripoffs, bootlegs, remakes and whatever else, and it's fair because each is a unique experience that can be weighed against the unique experiences of the others. It's all just opinion anyway.
>>12653208Absolutely, but if you praise the derivation, you are praising the inspiration as well.The retardation is treating it like an own.
>>12653209>Absolutely, but if you praise the derivation, you are praising the inspiration as well.That doesn't even apply here outside of OP's shitpost. Most people who like SoE also like SoM and the SD series in general. Calling a completely different game with similar structure a "commercial romhack" makes you sound like "The retardation."
>>12653209I get what you're saying since Evermore was a JP engine used by a different team but the end results are what people are rating.I could still say that Tomb Raider 2 is better than TR1 even though Toby Gard wasn't involved because I'm not rating the developers or even the engine, and that would be a totally different discussion, I'm just rating the overall experience.
>>12653124All JRPGs are "derivative" of Western RPGs, then more specifically American RPGs.
>>12653159The funny thing is that the items barely do anything. It’s just feels nice to know you got a little boost.
>>12653220It's called "mockery".
