>go to japanese arcade>every older game is in near-identical late-model white metal or fiberglass cabinets with oversized monitors>every cabinet has the same lever and button layout, always JLF/LS-32 + OBSF-30>some arcades don't even use coins anymore>few lonely players scattered aboutMight as well stay home and play MAME.
>>12653643Imagine playing arcadeslop in the big 26
>>12653643so soulless compared to america
>>12653646fr fr ong uncs b wilin
candy cabs with sanwa parts mog shitty American cabs with their bullshit parts and layouts
>>12653643Japs, in general*, contribute to society. Don't expect arcades to be full during working/school hours.The arcade owners are running a pragmatic business, hence standardization for ease of maintenance. This is far more genuine than the nostalgia peddlers at western retro bars.*Those that don't usually stick to pachinko parlors.
>>12653656At least American arcades still make the effort to present the games as they originally were.
>>12653683The "retro" arcades in Japan are never full during any hour.
>>12653685how they originally were generally sucks shit. American cabs have awful sticks with shitty rubber grommets instead of proper gates and mediocre buttons in bad layouts that don't work well for the human hand, and more often than not they're too small for two players to comfortably play together. American cabs are also usually at a height where a child would need a footstool to reach the buttons while a non-manlet adult has to lean down.candy cabs mog American cabs in literally every way except cabinet art, and if you give enough of a shit about that for it to matter, you're a faggot anyway.
>>12653685So you came to look at the quirky pac man cabinet's art and not play the fucking game? Desperately reaching out for that nostalgia huh?
>go to american arcade>games are broken
>>12653643Lots of those monitors are tri-sync too, which can make 15khz games look a bit flat with overly defined scanlines.
>>12653685American arcades are almost exclusively running MAMEboxes these days
>>12653707No, they are not. Utter FUD nonsense.
>>12653705>control padYDNBTG
Went to an arcade a few months ago that had a lot of really cool game, but they were all in dogshit american cabs. Screens looked like shit, stick and buttons made them unplayable. Truly a shame. Funny that that the one good cab they had was a Egret 2 with mushi futari black label in it. Stick was a bit worn down but 1000x more functional than any other cab, and I was able to 1cc.
>>12653643If you want to go to an authentic 90s Japanese arcade you actually have to go to Europe, where geeks have massively imported the older cabinets and actually make the effort to put the games in their historically correct cabinets.
>>12653719Last arcade I went to had horrific Happ Ultimate sticks in the SF2: Champion Edition cabinet I was really looking forward to playing, making the entire experience a massive letdown. Could barely get anything out, even after I had practiced at home on an IL Competition stick because that's what I thought the cabinet had installed from the images I saw on their facebook.
>>12653709Yes the absolute fuck they are lol. You think fucking Cidercade is bothering with tracking down original boards and keeping them in working order? You know how much time, overhead, and pain in the ass you're talking about? You're a fucking moron.If you're not at Galloping Ghost the chances that you're not playing on a MAMEbox is effectively nil. The only American arcades I know of outside of GG that still run original hardware are a local chain in the Dallas area and the handful of places where 3rd Strike players gather to play 3rd Strike. And guess what, dickhead? They play on candy cabs.
>>12653729You simply do not know what you are talking about here. Just making random shit up out of your own headcanon.
>>12653720the poor parts of asia also have them
>>12653732I know what I'm talking about far better than you do and it shows. You're just some idiot faggot butthurt that I shattered the illusion that you played some old ass games on original hardware. Which, frankly, pathetic thing to be butthurt about.
>>12653732NTA but what he's saying about the 3S scene is absolutely correct, I don't think you know what you're talking about anon
>>12653643>be japanese 90's arcade owner>space invaders machine isn't doing as well as i thought (curse you 100 yen coin rumours)>switch the pbc/harddrive to tumblepop>profitThey are designed to look the same so you can swap games. Fancy cabinets are an american thing.
>>12653643>go to Japanese arcade>all of the games are in the best cabinets with the best monitors and use the best quality control mechanisms>some even offer convenient ways to pay if you don't want to carry around a pocket full of coinsThis is fucked AWESOME
>>12653729I've been to numerous arcades in my area around the Ohio valley and I've seen 2 emulation cabinets compared to around 300 real machines. Galloping Ghost is not the only arcade with real boards. Never heard of Funspot?
>>12653807when I say MAMEboxes I'm not talking about the obvious 400-in-1 machines that are openly emulation machines. I'm talking about cabs that are gussied up to look just like the real thing except they're actually just running a retropie or some shit, emulating a single board.This is the vast majority of cabs in operation throughout the US. Original hardware is becoming harder to source, remains expensive to purchase, ship, and maintain, and hardware failure rates have increased to the point that the whole enterprise is becoming a sucker's game.The local chain in Dallas that still uses original hardware is only able to do so because it's the vanity project of an entertainment lawyer. They have never in their decade of operation turned a profit and they never will unless they switch to emulation.Most arcades are emulating these days because otherwise the overhead associated with original hardware eats into the revenue generated by drink sales, which, by the way, are the only reason to open an arcade in the 2020s and the only way to make money doing so - to sell booze to nostalgic adults. And it works! Most people who go to an arcade these days just want an outing with a hit of nostalgia. They don't care the games are emulated. They can't even tell, most of them - just like you.Cope and seethe.
>>12653695>American cabs have awful sticks with shitty rubber grommets instead of proper gatesAfaik the only kind of arcade levers that use a rubber grommet are found in Korea and some parts of south mainland Asia. Leaf switch sticks don't use rubber. Happ, Wico, and IL micro switch sticks use the same kind of gate as Japanese levers, just in different size and proportions.
>>12653824Go play a Ninja Turtles cab and tell me that shit has a gate of any kind.American levers are garbage. Always have been.
Here is a western "super" style joystick, which has been cloned by a lot of different companies vs a Seimitsu LS-40. The Seimitsu LS-32 has a near identical design. All use a long-hinged microswitch and small actuator design.
>>12653830American cabs never used that shit. you can feel the click of the switches and the edge of the gate on a Sanwa or Seimitsu lever. I've never felt any of that on an American cab.Your wiki autism means nothing without actual experience.
>>12653827It has a round feel, which is also historically accurate to the type of lever that would have been installed on a Japanese TMNT arcade cabinet when the game was released. That game is from 1989, and would have been released in Konami arcades in a Domy H.V. cabinet. Konami used Seimitsu parts on their cabinets, and this cabinet would have shipped with a Seimitsu LS-25, a slightly different predecessor to the LS-32. The LS-32 (and the LS-25) has a round feel after it has been broken-in by arcade players, and this is how Japanese players prefer it. You can hardly feel the corners after a while. Also in Namco arcades they shipped the LS-25 with a round gate by default, and if you were playing TMNT in a Namco cabinet like a Consolette that's what you'd have in your hand.
>>12653839>American cabs never used that shitAmerican cabs never used Happ Supers or their Wico equivalents? Now you're really showing you don't know anything.
A western Competition design lever vs a lever styled like the JLF (real JLFs use Omron switches). Both ditch the hinges on the microswitches and use an oversized actuator to contact the plunger on the switch directly.
In Japan in the late 80s there were also levers around that were quite similar to later western designs, like the FX-1. I think the Happ Super might actually be a clone of this.
Regarding clicky western arcade buttons, that style was very common in Japan in the 80s, and was the standard up until about 1987-89. Into the 90s it was still the default replacement for most of the smaller sized cabinets like a Tehkan Lava or an old wood-grained cocktail cabinet.
Here's another picture of an old style Japanese arcade button. This is what people would have played games like Gradius on when they were new. Very rare in Japan these days. Few of the operators care about historical controls.
>>12653874>that fingerhow disgusting
>>12653884I'm gonna finger your asshole
>>12653847>look at this shit people were trying to sell to arcade operators>durr this proves this is what the cabs shipped with!you're retarded
>>12653874jesus christ nigga use some moisturizer
It's super weird when wiki autists think their internet research on their special interest that they've never actually experienced in real life trumps actual real life experience.
>>12653912it's super weird that you think your data point of 1 matters in the grand scheme of the entire world
>>12653890Bro if you have never heard of Happ Controls you should sit the fuck down in arcade hardware discussions
>>12653915copeI played in arcades all over the country throughout the 90s. it's way more than one data point.
>>12653915as posted on 4chan on the retro game board
>>12653926>>12653912You're an idiot and your disdain for "wiki autists" tells us re-confirms it. Just a flailing tard having a tard-fit when anons who know their shit correct you and shatter your worldview.
>>12653929You don't actually know your shit though. You just uncritically swallowed whatever chatgpt told you and now you're regurgitating it at someone who was actually there and knows better.
>>12653951>someone who was actually there and knows bettersource: your ass
>>12653957>grr no u lying!lmfao. pathetic
>>12653951You thought western arcade joysticks used "rubber grommets". You thought snap action micro switches were a mediocre and uniquely western button style. You were wrong about both. You don't know anything.
>>12653683>The arcade owners are running a pragmatic business, hence standardization for ease of maintenance.soulless
>>12653643japan is such a shit hole
>>12653819>source: trust me bro
>>12653729I make a living selling arcades and fixing them. They are absolutely not mame machines.
>>12653975I know more than you do about what was actually used in arcades in the 90s because I was actually there and you were not, simple as
>>12654008no you don't.
>>12654057i was there. and i don't post on anime boards to complain about microswitches or joysticks.
>>12653890You got bodied and BTFO like 10 times in the above thread, just take the L you cringy fuck
>>12653975>You thought western arcade joysticks used "rubber grommets"is that not the case? the Simpsons and X-men machines at the movie theater near my house definitely had big rubber things where the sticks went inside the machine and they felt pretty mashy and terrible
>>12654068You're a 3rd worlder larping as an American. You were never there.>>12654071I'm correct, so no, I will not concede to your made-up and/or incorrect nonsense
>>12654071>grr i just rightYeah real convincing there autist-kun
>>12654057>and you were notAnd what proof do you have of this claim? Absolutely nothing.
>>12654154my proof is that someone who was there would know what equipment cabs had installed and wouldnt be regurgitating wiki pages that don't match reality
>have a big screen>big control panel with lots of room and controls that are in good working condition>a comfy seat to sit on>"this isn't good enough, I'm going home"Bruh what more do you need? You play games at the arcade for the experience, it's like going to the theatre and asking why everyone there isn't just watching pirated films at home
>>12654302>regurgitating wiki pages that don't match realityMost of the information isn't readily available on any particular wiki page. There's not really specific wiki for historic arcade controls documentation. So you are now triple wrong for assuming everything here is copied from a wiki when it's actually anons just telling you what a dumbass you are and providing their own research. >someone who was there would know what equipment cabs had installedWell you most certainly didn't given you had no idea what leaf switches were or had ever heard of Happ controls.
>>12654318I have a big screen, control panel, and comfy seat at home. So then what does the arcade have to offer me other than the social experience and the novelty of the original unique cabinet and controls? >it's like going to the theatre and asking why everyone there isn't just watching pirated films at homeThis is a good question these days given how poor the presentation is for cinemas. My home television has a higher resolution and better image quality than my local cinema.
>>12654457>what does the arcade have to offer me other than the exact things the arcade has to offer me?nigger you are retarded.
>>12654461Japanese arcades are lonesome affairs so that strikes out the social aspect. And they don't have the original unique cabinets or controls. So what *do* they have left?
>>12654318>Bruh what more do you need?backrub from attractive lady in between play sessions, and I need her to go DEEP
>>12654463It's still kinda cool to be in a room full of games with at least a few other people who are there to play the games
>>12654463the fuck? Japanese arcades aren't what they used to be but they still have players in them.As for unique controls, I know you don't have a candy cab at home, so what the fuck are you talking about?
>>12654467I can't get updoots from a candy cab like I can from my AYN Thor showing a pokemon romhack title screen. Stupid chud.
>>12654467>As for unique controls, I know you don't have a candy cab at home, so what the fuck are you talking about?If this has to be explained to you at this point then you're not qualified for this discussion.BTW I kinda do have a candy cab at home.
>>12654471>hurr durr i'm not gunna explainI accept your concession.
>>12654457>what does the arcade have to offer meThe atmosphere of being surrounded by cabinets, playing on real hardware, entering a high score that you're proud of that people can see etc>original unique cabinet controlsThe concept of generic cabs is not exclusive to Japan, the west also had it's fair share of generic cabs like the Dynamo line. Many arcade games like pic related were only offered as conversion kits, only including the PCB and a manual on how to set up the control layout (controls not included)>my home television has a higher resolution and better image quality than my local cinemaI see, you're one of those kinds of people. Disregard what I said. Stay home. Arcades aren't for you.
>>12653695we get it you're an incurable weeb.
>>12653729>I've seen the inside of every cabinet in the USOKAY
>>12656196you are autistic.
>>12656250Other people have already told you this, but I'm going to as well. You are an idiot.
>>12656640I'm the only one in this thread that knows what he's talking about. your opinion is less than meaningless to me.
