Did OG Xbox have soul? It was an affordable way of playing Doom 3, Halo, Morrowind, KOTOR, etc
>>12667928No.
>>12667928It's such a terrible deal compared to the PC, woohoo you only got worse versions of pc games with no mod support and worse control scheme, meanwhile buying pc gives the same games but better and a lot of other consoles to emulate
>>12667928Xbox is fundamentally the opposite of soul.
It was cool to hookup multiple systems and multiple tvs to play halo with friends, but in hindsight it woud have been much easier to do with PCs on a LAN. No sovl at all though.
>>12667928Not really. It was the first console to actively reject soul, but that was what made it stand out at the time. You were basically buying a gaming PC with online connectivity for normie multiplayer slop.
>>12667928I built a PC with a 1Ghz Athlon, 256 MB RAM and a GeForce2 MX for less than the cost of an Xbox at the time and it ran Morrowind miles better. The load times on Xbox were especially brutal.You bought an Xbox for emulation/piracy purposes, for the online play, or for ease of use if you were a normie.
>>12667928It's fine for what it is. It has the best versions of most of the multiplatform console games and the best controller for adult hands by far
Most people would buy Xbox for the multiplayer games like Halo so it was actually pretty cool for those without a gaming PC to experience things like Morrowind, Doom 3, Chaos Theory, and Half-Life 2.
>>12667928For me, Xbox was for was for Halo, Mechassault, and Far Cry Instincts.
How does /vr/ even quantify what's soul and what isn't? If you had a great time playing the original Xbox growing up, you probably got to play a lot of the weird exclusives (not just the great multiplats) and remembered that funky green early 2000s aesthetic.
>>12667935You would have to spend thousands on a PC that could run Doom 3. The Xbox only costed $150 in 2004.
>>12667928Microsoft genuinely cared about video gaming when Bill Gates was in charge
Playing Pokemon first gen split-screen with two emulator instances on the same system and trading with the person sitting next to me is one of my comfiest gaming memories. Shame about the actual Xbox library though.
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You guys are being dishonest, seriously. Microsoft has been soulless for a long time, but the original Xbox had - in fact - soul. It was powerfull, had some legendary games, the controller was superbe. The corporate devils at Mircrosoft just weren't able to evolve the OG Xbox concept into a long term success.
>>12668224Yeah it was hype. A good console and an exciting time. Came in second in terms of sales but I think most people agree it was worse than the gamecube. Wish more corporations got into the console race.
>>12668227>but I think most people agree it was worse than the gamecubeXbox had Halo, GTA, Silent Hill 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, KotOR, Half-Life 2, Ninja Gaiden, JSRF, Dead or Alive 3, and countless other all-time classics, whereas GameCube had what, putting down the controller for 5 minutes to watch Link sail?
>>12668238>Metal Gear Solid 2funny how there's no 3
>>12668241Because 3 isn't even a sequel to MGS2 and its story doesn't say anything. Millennials glazed it purely because you didn't play as Raiden.
Honestly, with the Gamecube and its lackluster second and third party support it seems inane that a conversation needs to be had about the Xbox at all considering what it offered. Imagine being a tendie during this period and only owning a Gamecube lmao. I don't care how well PC gamers were eating during this time period either because it's a discussion about sixth generation consoles.
>>12667928who else bought the xbox slim
>>12667928hambaga, ekkusubokkusu
>>12668242>if it isn't on the xbox, it sucksI'm sure you chose the others because their "stories say something," right? What a faggot for microsoft you are.
>>12668238>Xbox had Halo, GTA, Silent Hill 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, KotOR, Half-Life 2, Ninja Gaiden, JSRF, Dead or Alive 3Nintendo shit, RE4, Rogue Squadron, Metroid Prime, PN03/Viewtiful Joe, FZero GX, Melee, Pikmin, Custom Robo, Chibi Robo, Battalion Wars, Skies of Arcadia, Starfox Adventures, etc>>12668243>Imagine being a tendie during this period and only owning a Gamecube lmao.It was enough. Only in the Wii era was there a mass exodus off of being tendie only
>>12668248>if it isn't on the xbox, it sucksMate, MGS1 isn't on Xbox either and no one is saying it ain't a just play; though the crap GameCube remake certainly isn't one. Everybody knows MGS3 was a James Bond film made because Kojima didn't think MGS2 needed a sequel, and he was right. I always assumed MGS3 had released contemporaneously on Xbox anyway yet I always considered MGS3 a disappointment.
>>12668262*ain't a must play
>>12667928It's the soulest of consoles from that generation. If soul is derived from the space between the lines, where the fuzz is obscured and coalesces with the game to bring out something new, the true essence of the game, xbox provides the sharpest and biggest window to grasp that soul. That expression is given a distinct voice, a level of clarity and reach only possible on the box. It's because the creators on it still had soul that the console is imbued. It also contains players soul with the storege allowing all kinds of player made content, from user names to maps to dlc and xbox live profiles.The soul is evident and laid bare, you have to want to grasp it.
>>12668260Melee is a better multiplayer game than hearing kids squeal nigger in halo
>>12668268Melee is amazing, the current community of trannies gives it a bad rep
>>12668268Melee is about manchildren or literal children squealing directly next to you on the couch all while exhibiting poor hygiene LMAO
>>12668273not in 2004
>>12668281In 2004 it's about finger banging the weird gamecube kids sister while he sour grapes over halo 2
>>12667928>Did OG Xbox have soul?
>>12668273Those are called friends
>>12668285In my school all the kids had Gamecube only. I was the only white kid and there was one other, and everyone else was spanish or black. The only kid with an xbox was the wetback spic from venezuela who didnt speak english that well. all of the other niggers and spics were also cubies
>>12668268>>12668291So you're saying Halo didn't have 4 player splitscreen multiplayer? And that you couldn't have 16-player LAN parties?
>>12668287>xbox and apple have completely different marketing strategies to japan>xbox panders and pumps billions>apple just uses regular global marketing>xbox flops miserably and apple/iphone become ubiquitous in japan
>>12668296That's not a real magazine, stop replying to Indians posting slop.
12668313>everyone who posts this image is an indianindian derangement syndrome
>>12668313I know people say its AI slop, doesnt matter. They were marketing like that and invested billions in jap exclusives catering to japan. they even redesigned the controller just for them
>>12668325>they even redesigned the controllerthat was a good move however
>t failed in JapanIt failed everywhere not called America
>>12667928>Doom 3, Halo, Morrowind, KOTORgaijin slop
>>12668143I bought an emachine dual core for $400 (after a 200$ rebate from walmart!) and slapped a geforce 6600 GT in it that cost and additional $150. I got a respectable 50-60 FPS with this setup. It only lasted about 3 years until the CPU shat itself
>>12668325It matters a lot, don't normalize this garbage.
>>12668339Nothing, and I mean nothing, is more pathetic than whitoids groveling towards the Japanese to the point of being this contrarian
>>12668325>They were marketing like thatShow me the Xbox titty advertisement ASAP
>>12668241There's no 3 on Gamecube either. What's your point?
>>12667935PC didn't have anime tiddies like DOA and ninja gaiden
>>12667928Eastoids can't detect soul, which is why they say "no". They are depressed and sit in dark quiet room with generic quirky rpg17.
>>12668227>I think most people agree it was worse than the gamecubeHow delusional you cultist are my god
>>12667928Yeah it was pretty soulful. People still fighting the console wars twenty years later are pretty cringe.
>>12667928yeah, but not for playing shitty versions of pc games lol. ripping your cds, beating halo on legendary in splitscreen, softmodding it for the first time, fable bgm, og xbox live...thats sovl
>>12668287stop posting this AI image, no idea how this became a meme
>>12668343>I bought a PC long after the xbox was released, but for much more! Retard.
>>12667935I remember Doom 3 being notoriously difficult to run back then, most young people just had office desktop type PCs at home that their whole family used, etc.
>>12668245The original looks way better. Slim looks like some 3D printed hackjob from Etsy.
>>12668668Get a life
Yes but only in Japan
>>12667935Morrowind on a 4:3 crt was comfy. The world seemed so much larger when you had that low resolution on a large crt.
>>12667928I like that powder blue controller.BTW those aren't really Bill's hands.
>>12669007it's that one russian girl yea
>>12667928OG Xbox has probably the least pretentious game library i have ever seen. Even less so than the Genesis or the Dreamcast. Hell, even less so than the 360 which at least had shit like Lost Odyssey. It was the console for fratbro chads who played vidya to beat some assfuck hard challenge or boss and just wanted games with big guns and swords, and tits and cars and explosions and skateboarding and anything else an american teenager in 2003 considered the coolest things ever, and who didn't care about their games being 'arthouse' or 'having something to say'.Compared to something like Killer7 on Gamecube and Shadow of the Colossus, SMT III, Okami and a fuckload of other JRPGs and experimental games on PS2, how many original Xbox games have you honestly seen being praised on the internet as being 'lifechanging' in the same way as those other games? The most experimental, "profound" and 'out there' game on the OG Xbox is... what, Panzer Dragoon Orta? Otogi?The Xbox probably contributed the least to debate of videogames being art, which is why it for the longest time it was overlooked as the "soulless dudebro burger sports machine" on the internet and it is still scoffed at by 'roons and backloggd types... for better or for worse.
>>12669061>how many original Xbox games have you honestly seen being praised on the internet as being 'lifechanging' in the same way as those other games?Halo, nigga.
>>12669061This was written by somebody who has never played Halo and doesn't know what the fuck it's about apart from that you play as a pretty cool guy named Halo who kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything
>>12667928>Did OG Xbox have soul?No. It was a bunch of cry-babies constantly crying that they want the PS2's games while acting ike they got something with Splinter Cell and HALO.
>>12669078>crying that they want the PS2's gamesLmao nobody did that. Every single PS2 game worth playing was ported to the Xbox.
>>12669082I love the Xbox and grew up with one but that's not true. I can list a bunch of PS2 must-plays that aren't on Xbox:>Devil May Cry>Devil May Cry 3>Resident Evil 4>Silent Hill 3>Final Fantasy X>Persona 3>Zone of the Enders>Lament of Innocence>Yakuza>Genji>Haunting Ground>Xenosaga>Gran Turismo 4>Ace Combat 4>Ace Combat 5>Ace Combat Zero
>>12669061So OG Xbox is the bane of 50 minute long videogame essay slop youtubers?
>>12669061This is the single greatest appraisal of the Xbox I ever read in my life.
>>12669061wtf I love xbox now
>>12669061Phantom Dust nigga
>>12667928noit had gaylothats itthats the whole phenomenonconsolefags hadnt played any actual FPSs yet, because there werent any worth playing yet. all they had prior to that was goldeneye. so when an actual proper shooter came out where you had analog control over your aim, it was bound to sell a lot. because the normalcattle and teh colored ppl couldnt into computer yet, so they didnt realize they were like ~10yrs behind PC in terms of quality shooters. gaylo mustve seemed like some sort of ayyy technology
>>12669663nigga it was literally dreamcast 2
>>12669082>>12669094its also worth pointing out that for most of its life, xbox didnt have ANY of the GTA games. those ports didnt come out until literal years after SA releasedim sure that was a HUGE point of "fuck it, im buying a PS2" for a lot of ppl back thenwho tf wanted a console you couldnt play GTA on?
>>12669672>Uses the word "literally" to mean "figuratively".It literally wasn't.
>>12669663Which PC shooters had better AI, music, writing, vehicles, and balancing than Halo?
>>12669672obv not or it wouldntve sold anything and microsoft, itself, wouldve gotten absorbed by some other faggot in like 2003
>>12669675Have you played FEAR nigga?
>>12669673>those ports didnt come out until literal years after SA releasedWhat? GTA 3 came to Xbox 2 years later; Vice City came to Xbox 1 year later; San Andreas came to Xbox about half a year later.
>>12669678Oh you mean the console game that came out a whole console generation after Halo? One that still doesn't beat Halo in AI, music, writing, vehicles, and balancing?
>>12667928>Rare buyout>Paid online>Sabotaging Windows gaming in the process>Halo would go on to kill the FPS genre until DOOM 2016 brought it backXbox has been an outside invader who makes things actively worse for their entire lifespan
>>12669683>Halo would go on to kill the FPS genreRetard
>>12669685>ZERO good fps games between 2001 and 2016>Directly propagated the environment that led to the COD modern warfare menace>Not exactly killing the entire genreI don't even dislike Halo, 1 and 2 have utter shit campaigns, but all 3 have godlike online multiplayer and Halo 3s campaign is great. But slow movement, regeneration, and weapon limits as an industry baseline (which happened because of Halo) made every single FPS massively less fun than before or after that era. Halo slowing down the genre invited even more cancerous mechanics to be invented in an effort to slow the genre down "like Halo" like ADS and cover mechanics
>>12669675youre confused. im not saying gaylo sucks. i had it on PC back then, i thought it was aight. it wasnt better than HL (or its mods), and it wasnt better multi than quake 3 or UT. it didnt have as cool of lvls as the dark forces/jedi knight games etc etcbut its not like it was a terrible game. it was fun enough. but i was comparing it to goldeneye, because that was consolefags frame of reference up to that point. and its why gaylo exploded like it did, and by extension, why the xbox took off on release. it was simply the first gud shooter consoles ever had. full stop.gaylo was just the point where they realized, "hey we can actually make a FPS that isnt cancer to control now that we have 2 sticks", and so they put that in a proper shooter, with online multiplayer.>>12669679noGTA3 didnt come out on xbawks until AFTER VC was released on PS2. and the trend continued from there, with xbawks being ~ a game or more behind for its whole lifecycle. the entire PS2 trilogy wasnt on xbawks until almost the 360s release. this undoubtedly meant literal millions of ppl in the 00s bought a PS2 instead, because GTA was THE game that moved consoles that gen
>>12669725>it wasnt better than HL (or its mods), and it wasnt better multi than quake 3 or UT.Delusional. Quake 3 didn't even have a story mode lol
>>12669758>Quake 3 didn't even have a story mode lolyeah, that was a sign of things to come
>>12669725>GTA3 didnt come out on xbawks until AFTER VC was released on PS2You said "after SA" the first time.
>>12669773Exactly, this nigga needs to stop moving the goalposts. The GTA games were huge on Xbox and they played better than the PS2 version too.
>>12669758lol no shit niggerthat was point of quake 3. the devs realized no one rly gave a shit about 1 and 2s campaign anyways, so they just went all in on MP and made one of the most classic shooters of all time.pretty much the same deal with UT99 for that matter. iirc the campaign was just playing DM and CTF with bots lol. the devs knew no one gave a shit. its not why ppl were buying it in the first placegaylo wasnt much different. it mightve had a better campaign than some of its contemporaries, with actual effort put into it. but i guarantee you that 90% of ppl who bought it played through like once or twice, and spent nearly all the rest of their time on live. because thats all xbox rly was: a PC for ppl too stupid to use PCsanyways i digressthe the answer to the threads question is: xbox didnt have a soul, it had paid online functionally the opposite. it was a computer for the colored folx that were too colored to into computerlike (You)
>>12669815GTA3 and VC I can't comment too, but the only valid version of GTA SA is PS2 because of the lighting
>>12669663>it had gaylo>thats it>thats the whole phenomenonImagine a single game being so brilliant that it causes its never before heard of console to outsell a TITAN like Nintendo. Not just any game, but a completely original IP with no previous fanfare. I couldn't glaze Halo more even if I tried.
Microsoft got so luck with Halo. This game alone carried the Xbox. Without it, 50% less in console sales was practically certain.While the whole world was playing Final Fantasy X, there were people playing Halo. Disgusting...
>>12667928Yes. It's still the best multimedia platform of the three from that gen, and can be used for that purpose even todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwdIartOe4
>>12670060>completely original IP with no previous fanfareAmericans' biggest weakness is marketing and propaganda. It is literally possible to shove anything down their throats with constant, excessive marketing and propaganda. To a point where it turns into brainwashing rather than just marketing.Reason why this disguting console only worked in NA.
>>12670134Exactly. There's an alternate universe where that marketing money went to Azurik instead and we'd all be talking about that as the "timeless classic".
>>12667928Yes. If I ran Xbox I would have bought Bethesda and Id Software in 2001/2. Focus the whole brand around 1st & 3rd party FPS and Western RPGs.
>>12670180Purchasing a dev is a bad idea because they stop being hungry, like with Rare. It's better to do partnerships and contracts on a game by game basis.
>>12670201You may be right.
>>12670134This is beyond silly. How was Halo CE marketing more extreme and brainwashing than other AAA game marketing?
>>12667928The PS2 has the worst picture quality of any console ever made. Yes even the n64. So to be able to play a large portion of multiplats without muddy blurry desaturated picture makes the console generation playable for me.
>>12669683>>12669685You guys are talking about Half Life actually
>>12670542Halo and Half-Life 2 are roughly equivalent. The bump maps were so good you have no idea...
>>12669837>the devs realized no one rly gave a shit about 1 and 2s campaign anywaysSoulless>gaylo wasnt much different. it mightve had a better campaign than some of its contemporaries, with actual effort put into it. but i guarantee you that 90% of ppl who bought it played through like once or twiceAbsolutely delusional. There's a reason the upcoming remake doesn't even have a fuckign deathmatch mode and it's because Halo has always been a campaign-first game.
>>12670717>There's a reason the upcoming remake doesn't even have a fuckign deathmatch mode and it's because Halo has always been a campaign-first game.The actual reason is because they want you to play their shitty F2P Infinite MP so you buy microtransactions.
>>12670717>because Halo has always been a campaign-first game.you, sir, are an idiot
>>12670738>you, sir, are an idiotHalo's multiplayer was thrown together in the final weeks of development....
>>12670748Quite a lot of singleplayer games did this back in the day, I kinda miss it but I get why it doesn't happen anymore.
>>12668325You are a false anon, you don't belong in /vr/aislop doesn't belong in /vr/, not retro.
>>12669683>Sabotaging Windows gamingGood riddance.
>>12670253This is how deep the brainwashing goes and it is cringeCan you imagine an equivalent japanese government entity publishing something like this, but showing a screenshot from a final fantasy or a pokemon game?
>>12670934>Can you imagine an equivalent japanese government entity publishing something like this, but showing a screenshot from a final fantasy or a pokemon game?I can, actually.
>>12670934>"start procreating if you don't want this to happen to your living legacy" >metal slime.gif
>>12670882>Linux gaming wouldn't be ready for almost 2 more decades from the release of Halo 1Wow yeah good riddance you retards were definitely ready to take over for them in 2001 huh?
>>12668273If you play Melee like it's a fighting game (which it's not). If you play it like a normal person with friends, it's just good old fashioned dumb fun.Sakurai doesn't want to associate the game with the competitive Smash scene for a reason
>>12667935>It was an affordable way ofYou didn't even read OP's post you retarded nigger. No shit a good PC is better than a console. Why not stay on topic next time, champ.
>>12668827I beat Doom 3 on GeForce 2. It was probably at 800x600 and "cinematic" framerate, but still.
>>12667928I'm not that big of an Xbox guy, so forgive me if this question is retarded, but does that blue Xbox controller that Bill Gates is holding actually exist? It's a great color and I'd love to get my hands on one. I'd probably play more Xbox if I had a pretty controller like that lmao.
>>12672810all you need to do is unscrew the shell and spray paint it and your controller can be whatever color you want
>>12672821You just don't get it.
>>12672810No, I believe it's ABS with no sort of color added, like generic straight out of the vat ABS molded into the controller s.
>>12668010>I built a PC with a 1Ghz Athlon, 256 MB RAM and a GeForce2 MX for less than the cost of an Xbox at the time and it ran Morrowind miles better.The lies people come up with on this board are always fascinating. I wonder if you're just straight up LARPing or whether it's a half-remembered childhood experience that has no basis in reality, but you believe to be true because you were too retarded to know any better at the time. A GeForce 2 (of any kind) can't even display Morrowind correctly because it requires DX8 pixel shaders, which weren't supported until GeForce 3 cards, so you're not even comparing the same game as is running on Xbox. Even then with completely broken visuals, a GF2 MX gets around 15-20fps on the absolute lowest settings with shadows disabled. "Miles better" my fucking ass.
>>12667928All great games, but the majority of the good ones were also on PC with mod support. I played a lot of DOA on my box.
>>12672953I ran morrowind on Intel Extreme Graphics 2, which is DIRECTX 7 TIER YOU FAGGOT RETARD, try running the game you drooling pretentious freak, it has a DirectX 7 path.
>>12668000>It was the first console to actively reject soulYeah basically this, they went all in on tech and tried to make the most powerful console. It was a great decision at the time because of the technical limitations of other consoles and the growth of PC gaming and new frontiers being opened, like MMORPG's, large multiplayer FPS, which also included vehicles. All novel things at the time, there were many emerging ideas only held back by the tech and games became more "real" and immersive experiences rather than relying on abstraction like 2D games did. This put Xbox at an advantage during the consoles lifetime, it got PC ports and games the others just couldn't run, everyone envied what the Xbox could do and this set the stage for the success of the 360. The problem is that now the market is oversaturated with those games and they actually weren't that good. So in other words, it aged somewhat poorly.
>>12674324And that looked better than the Xbox version how?
>>12668243GameCube was lots of fun. That generation had loads of quality entertaining titles. Dreamcast, PS2, GameCube or Xbox: there were no bad options
>>12669078Lmao have you seen the PS2 port of Chaos Theory? Please don't make me bully you
Ps2 is the most powerful 6th gen console by far. Even modern system cant do the particle effects ps2 does, they can only fake it
>>12675986Ken Kutaragi is the goat computer engineer
>>12667928Code?
>>12678185>PS2 programmable geometry pipe was way superior to hardware T&L, vertex shaders, geometry shaders, domain shaders and hull shadersThat must be why specular lighting was so commonplace on PS2....oh.
>>12678185So superior that the only game "faking real volumetric effects" by rendering a gorillion little triangles for fake particles runs at 20-8 FPS in an empty fucking world.It's like that Saturn ray-tracing demo: just an empty room with 50 quads and that's it. Sure, it can do it, but it does it like absolute shit.It's like saying the Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24 (PS2) is so great because it laps the Nürburgring in 8:47 and then jerking off about how Aston doesn't build cars, it sculpts rolling cathedrals of speed. Meanwhile Chevy, who actually sells shitboxes closer to appliances than aspirational machines, drops the Camaro ZL1 (Xbox) doing 7:41 with a far less over-engineered car.
>car analogycould you be anymore unsofisticated and uneducated. No I don't think so
>>12678602Everyone laugh at this Europoor who cannot travel in an arbitrary direction on-demand because he lets the Department of Public Transport dictate where he is allowed to go.
>>12678662>>12678352Nah he is right, specsfags like you don't understand the most basic rule of the videogame market that has been proved right again and again.Specs don't mean jack shit only the games matter. Who beat all the more powerful handhelds because of one single killer app? The outdated gameboyWho beat the more powerful master system? the nes because it had more gamesWho beat all those shitty wanna be 32 bit systems of the early 90's, the Genesis and Snes because they had more and much more better gamesWho beat the more powerful 3d oriented console the n64? The psx because it had more gamesWho beat the more powerful Xbox and GameCube? The ps2 becaus it had more gamesEvery Single Time, specs are worthless shit if you don't have better and more GAMES
>>12678680Halo mogs the PS2 library
>>12678686What a dumb Xcuck cope, yeah bro the most generic space shooter dumbed down for console babies mogs the biggest and most diverse retro library, not even cubetards are this delusional.
>>12678705>most generic space shooterWhat>dumbed down for console babiesHalo was a PC game moved to consoles in the last minute. Everything about its design is PC-first lol./vr/ continues to prove that they've never actually fucking played Halo and all they know about it is that you play as a a pretty cool guy named Halo who kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>12678705>mogs the biggest and most diverse retro libraryObjectively not true
>>12678708>Halo was a PC game moved to consoles in the last minute. Everything about its design is PC-first lol.Complete lie. Unveiled as a mac game in 1999, switched to Xbox as the primary platform in 2000.
>>12668000>It was the first console to actively reject soul,Not sure exactly what you mean by this, but in my mind the Playstation was the first (relevant) soulless console. I think it gets a pass because plenty of 3rd party devs talent and passion targeted the console. So the games themselves aren't soulless. But the PSX itself was just a bland grey CD player with SNES controllers (+2 extra bumper buttons).
>>12678937As if the SNES wasn't just a bland grey casette player with SNES controllers
>>12678352PS2 have technology.Xbox(PC) have raw power.While the Xbox offers a bunch of people to move a heavy object, the PS2 offers a crane (assuming the developer knows how to operate it).It's really that simple.
>>12678895Macs are also personal computers, retard.
>does xbox have soulNo.Microsoft actually destroyed Japan's operational system market (and PC gaming market) by lobbying against Japanese computer systems. The logo design for the Xbox is meant to be reminiscent of a toxic hazard to remind the japs of the nukes, too.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project#History
>>12678680Wise up.>>12679175>While the Xbox offers a bunch of people to move a heavy object, the PS2 offers a crane (assuming the developer knows how to operate it).>PS2 have technology.Classic over-engineering. It’s the Sega Saturn and PS3 all over again>Xbox(PC) have raw power.The Xbox had DirectX support and an integrated hard drive.>While the Xbox offers a bunch of people to move a heavy object, the PS2 offers a crane (assuming the developer knows how to operate it).Honestly, the only team that actually figured out how to run that crane was Japan Studio with Shadow of the Colossus. But that didn't drop until late 2005... right as Microsoft was launching the Xbox 360 alongside Project Gotham Racing 3.At the end of the day, the PS2 was just an over-engineered mess. Ken Kutaragi doubled down on that exact same over-engineering philosophy with the PS3, and we all saw how that bottlenecked the industry. Sony finally wised up for the PS4 and brought in Mark Cerny to lead the architecture. What’s the first thing he did? He actually ran a discovery phase with developers to ask what they needed. The unanimous answer? 'Give us a standard x86-64 CISC architecture.
>>12679034It wasn't.Are you trying to disagree about whether the PSX was soulless?Or are you just really desperate to fit in on nu-/vr/ and think mindless shitposting is the way to do it?
>>12679227PS2 is not a over engineered mess like presented here >>12678185The Xbox is just a Pentium III with an Nvidia GPU because Microsoft could tank the massive financial loss related to such brute force approach. Sony didn't have that same financial luxury and, therefore, had to design hardware capable of doing more with less while not becoming obsolete 3 years later, like the Dreamcast, and not be too expensive to manufacture. Remember, the Xbox came out almost 2 years after the PS2. Even so, Gran Turismo 4 runs at 60 fps and Forza, at 30 fps.
>>12679268>Gran Turismo 4 runs at 60 fps and Forza, at 30 fpsNiggers forget what Forza Motorsport actually pulled off on that hardware. It had a complex damage model that simulated both visual and mechanical wear. It was processing real-time environment reflections on the fly, handling full 8-player online matchmaking, and the Drivatars were literally trained using a neural network.Wise up.
>>12679292GT4 car physics and drive simulation is way better.No matter how much gimmicks you add, like car damage and mechanical wear, 30 fps is a putrid racing game experience.
>>12679380>I believe my opinion holds more weight than the actual facts!Wise up.
https://youtu.be/ETO3cnTL6n8?si=R6CYUjTOJJ-knhvk&t=519
>>12678705Halo had normal maps before Any PC game.
>>12679034Snes was innovative, it at the very least brought shoulder buttons.
>>12679409>actual factsfacts are factshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY9nn5-9veA
>>12678895Halo had been in development since 1997, it was revealed at Macworld 1999 for BOTH Windows and Macintosh, and a bit over a year before launch development moved to Xbox.
>>12667928>affordableAre you fucking retarded?
>>12679547Are you? That was a very reasonable price for what you were getting, and definitely affordable for anyone who wasn’t living paycheck to paycheck or spoiled themselves with other amenities. It even says right there in your image that it had the same launch price as the PS2, the best selling console ever. The price also dropped to $199 within a year.
>>12679547Calm down nancy.
>>12678602>it lurks in threads to shitpost about vehicles it's too young to drive>in order to shitpost a pseud rant>epically misspells """unsofisticated"""Could (You) be anymore unsophisticated and uneducated. No I don't think so.
>>12679523>GT is the best because Sony paid Loeb to say it!https://youtu.be/mjw56EAUgGs?si=9VdXMc8KhBaBGI-FHamilton shill Gran Turismo too because Sony pays him, but Leclerc isn’t on the payroll, so his support is genuine. According to Leclerc, Gran Turismo is fun but is not for actual racing.Wise up.
>>12680293>>12679523All I care about is what Top Gear says. What's their stance on the matter?
>>12679547Exactly. OP, how the FUCK were you able to afford an Xbox? Are you some privileged rich fuck or something? Lemme guess, your mom bought name brand cereal instead of the generic store brand. Screw you and everyone like you.
>>12667972What the fuck kind of schizobabble is that + the OG Xbox has plenty of soul
>>12668170>Playing Pokemon first gen split-screen with two emulator instances on the same system and trading with the person sitting next to meWhat emulator allows for that on Xbox
>>12680327>What's their stance on the matter?That video games are for children. Buy a real car, any car, and take it to your local track day.
>>12669672The actual most important SEGA games of the gen like Sonic Adventure, Skies of Arcadia, Virtua Fighter and Yakuza were on GameCube and PS2. The Xbox sega games are just a bunch of tablescrap ports and 5/10 jank like Gunvalkyrie overrated by youtubers.
Best console ever made. Very impressive, especially for it's time. Would still be worth making games for now. Had a unique high quality look. I'd like to play games in freeroam like the style presented itt.
>>12680397They like videogames, mate.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DRfFsuln_8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elRbykAilPIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNg4wSLehw
>>12667931>>12667972OG Xbox is the only time they had soul and the only time they cared about getting Japanese games on the system. Zoomers will try to rewrite history to say the 360 was good because they played Gaylo and Tears of War on it after school, or they were Mexican.
>>12680891360 was impressive too, but resolution was too high. Raising it killed games.
>>12680891>and the only time they cared about getting Japanese games on the systemnigga they moneyhatted a shit load of jap devs in the mid-2000s for the x360 while the ps3 was shitting itself. dead rising, lost odyssey, culdcept saga, ace combat 6, etc..
>>12667928>my console is just as disgusting, sloppy and unhealthy as a burger.Thanks for the heads up, Bill. What a dumb ad. >>12667972Only the japanese can design soulful games and consoles.
>>12680934Please stay in the US or whatever Latinx shithole you come from.
>>12679175Xbox had doom 3 which is a generation ahead of any ps2 or GameCube game.
>>12680891there were tons of jap games on the 360 you stupid fucking weeb. doesn't matter anyway because they got mogged hard by western games.
>>12680938>offended by hard to swallow facts>immediately pulls a /pol/tard babblingTypical
>>12680959Doom3? a slow and repetitive corridor shooter ?! where everything is so dark that you can barely see anything? where you fight one enemy most of the time?Truly a next gen experience.I'm not even a tendie, but the best looking console game of the generation is Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube.
>>12680886The entire point of the first link was that video games do not and can not fully replicate the reality of driving. And forza 4 was simply a paid job
>>12680986It also had HL2 :PThis is a really silly discussion. I had a GameCube and kind of envied those PC ports. You weren't alive so you wouldn't understand how gross and flat looking ps2 and GameCube games started looking once I saw PC games with bump mapping and pixel shader effects.
>>12680991HL2 on the xbox runs and looks like shit. I was alive and had a PC (Pentium D + 6600 GT) and a PS2.HL2 didn't not impressed me. FEAR was impressive, but Black, on my fucking tiny PS2, impressed me more.
>>12680986Interesting take since snoys didnt get the game til PS3
>>12681005Black is that flat looking game with a bunch of bloom everywhere. Like god of war, they tried to hide the consoles deficiencies under ugly cataract effects.
>>12680967You will never be Japanese. You will forever be American/Latinx.
>>12681010>Black is that flatwhat? Lol.
>>12680991>bump mapping and pixel shader effectsPS2 can do it with software instead of hardware
It had soul before Halo made it the dudebro platform. Lots of unique early games on it.
>>12681061Retard
>>12667935PC gaming back then sucked dickHaving to fiddle with arcane settings and tweaks to voodoo your specific hardware combo to run was cursed. Steam made PC gaming bearable, I don’t care what any grognard says, I’m glad I don’t have to hunt obscure forums for game fixes that MAY work.
>>12681220Steam turned pc into console baby shit. I will never respect a single turd who thinks it improved the platform.
>>12681220if by "back then" you mean the early 90s, then sure. by the time the xbox came around, playing games on PC was easy as fuck and fiddling was non-existent for 99% of games unless you're talking about getting cracked games or mods to work. i'm not sure what kind of favella box you were running at the time but my win xp rig from 2002 never once had trouble installing and playing any game of the era unless it was some kind of graphics beast that my PC just didn't have the specs to handle. i'd buy a game, stick it in, install and play. every single time. there was nothing remotely difficult about it and the most you'd have to do is
>>12681220>>12681643>Steam made PC gaming bearable>Steam turned pc into console baby shitIt wasn't Steam, it was Games for Windows. Steam was just the beneficiary of what GFW did because they had a ready store. GFW made PC into a fancy console with easy xbox controller integration and easier console ports. The Games for Windows Bioshock release is what elicited the "PC master race" meme and brought in an influx of normies who were excited to play the same games they played on Xbox but with better graphics.
>>12681058Yeah right lol
>>12682736PS2 can brute force any effect Xbox can and more
