>the most technically demanding and highest skill ceiling fighting game is from 2005Are fighting game players afraid of actual skill expression?Any other fighting game tournament has complete randoms and no name players topping the big tournaments, while almost every melee event is won by a household nameWhy is there no modern, technically demanding, fighting games that can separate the wheat from the chaff?Are fighting game player complete brainlets?
*party game
>>12673742Exactly. The same goes for Crash Bash. Why are CoMpEtItIvE gamers so afraid of this game?
>>12673742>Are fighting game players afraid of actual skill expression?They say they aren't but obviously Melee is on another level to most of them and demands layers of skill beyond what you'll find in all but the best fighters. They've spend years denying this, going from "Smash is a baby game" to "Melee is *stale*" (AKA good players consistently) trying to find whatever insult they can to shit on it because hating on it and its players is just a cliquey thing for them.
>>12673742>Why is there no modernyou meant to make this shit thread on /v/
>>12673742I like it like every other person. But this not a fighting game, you faggot.
>>12673742>Relentless button mashing game >SkillPick one
>>12673742>from 2005Was picrel meant to be Soul Calibur III?
>>12673742the quality of the underlying game doesn't matter. you're just playing RPS at the end of the day. a fighting game is only as good as how big its playerbase is. melee is by far the biggest. you can go to any city in america and there will be 30 man locals of just melee, no other game has that. my locals used to have 64 and PM and I like those games more but they eventually died at my local scene. also played smash4 and ultimate because why not. my favorite fighting series is virtua fighter but no one plays it so it sucks. stuck with melee. oh well.its the bellcurve meme. >hurrdurr new gooddimwit>arbitrary niche translop goodmidwit>high playerbase goodbig brain
>>12673793>the game where you fight people isnt a fighting gameyou're braindead>>12673763you tell 'em, sis!
>>12673984>punch out is a fighting game>wwf no mercy is a fighting gameRetard
>>12673742>2005kill yourself tourist nigger
>>12673997>mentions 2 entirely different games because xhe got butthurtyou're a fucking retard, don't even bother responding to me and wasting precious bandwidth.
>>12674003>Y-YOU GOT THE DATE WRONG!! T-TOURIST!!you cant make me leave, fag.
>>12673997>anything that isnt a sf2 clone isnt a fighting game!!you are the retard, fgtranny.
>>12673742>Calls others brainlets>Thinks Melee came out in 2005
>>12674105i'm sorry i offended you, tard
>>12673742Melee was not made with this super mega autistic shit built into it, all of it is a result of nips making a fun party game to play with friends. All of the giga high skill shit was accidental.Normal fighting games aren't scared of shit they just have a formula they follow and rarely deviate from.
>>12673793>Nobody even fights in Smash!!>Everybody just runs around smiling and slapping their dicks together instead!!Congratulations your autism has has leveled up to 71
>>12673997Punchout is more of a single player high speed puzzle game
Meleefags were the #1 reason I opposed allowing sixth gen on /vr/.
>>12674137and we won, you lost faggot
>>12673795button mashing only works against other retards
>>12673984Jokes on youYou can jump and run in Jedi knight 2, that doesn't make it a jump and run game. You can't even reduce the life points of an enemy in smash.It's a brawler you fool
>>12674192Brawlers are still fighting games
hey op just stopping by to let you know you are retarded >2005kek
>>12674209>hey OP just stopping by to let you know i'm trans!! :333nobody asked faggot, go back >>>/lgbt/
>the absolute meltdown of the smashfag ittStill not a fighting game, kek
>>12673742Wavedashing is too hard for them
>>12674257>its not a fighting game!>b-but that man who cut off his penis is a woman!lol okay
>>12673742You've made a decent bait post but you won't be able capitalize on it if you get triggered by the "not a fighting game" responses. Try again
>>12674323I don't get it. Are you smashfags trans?
>>12674334shut up auster
>>12674336>I don't get it.yeah because you're an ESL retard, appreciate you outing yourself.
>>12674337See what I mean? Weird choice to shitpost about the game that you care too much for
>>12674343>t. auster
>>12674340So that's a yes?
>>12674348>jeet still playing ignorancenow this is just sad
smarter board than /v/ btw
>>12673742>>the most technically demanding and highest skill ceiling fighting game is from 2005Which one? You forgot to post it
>>12674354Is this a bot?
>>12673742If I was going to pick one fighting game to play religiously for decades and try to become the absolute best at I could, I would not select the one that permanently and irreversibly fucks up your hands if you play it too much.
Damn, the Smashfags made the brownoids seethe in this thread
>threads you can smell
>>12673742Have to respect Nintendo for going into almost every genre and delivering some of the absolute best, most well crafted and highly polished games though.
Smash isn't a fighting game because in a fighting game your objective is to reduce your opponent's HP to 0. Smash is about forcing your opponents out of the 'ring'. Calling Smash a fighting game is like calling Sumo Wrestling a combat sport.
>>12677651Except Sumo Wrestling is a combat sport. Just because it is typically played by Japanese fatheads doesn't mean Sumo Wrestling is some kind of sport for casuals
>>12677651There are more fighting sports that involve getting your opponent out of the ring besides Sumo
>>12673742>the most technically demanding and highest skill ceiling fighting game isnot smash boys its starcraft brood war
>>12673742I don't give a fuck about any of that competitive shit, I wish we could just talk about the game because just in terms of gameplay and content it's above all its sequels.
>>12677887I agree to an extent. I always thought it was the most fun in terms of unlockable content, characters, trophies, event matches. Brawl was less fun in that regard I felt. I liked Subspace but I felt it was kind of boring to unlock characters that way instead of discovering them randomly in different modes. Less exciting at least, the rush just wasn't the same. Also they just revealed all the secret characters through Smash Dojo as the game released and of course, as much as I tried to avoid it I was spoiled by other people. I remember going to a friends house and he'd unlocked every character on day one and I didn't even have the game yet. This was the same friend I'd spent weeks unlocking all the characters in Melee with when that came out. Was really bummed out by that and the challenge wall was cool I guess but the things you unlocked through it were sometimes lame, I think I only really cared about unlocking the music. Then from Smash 4 onwards the single player modes were lame and I didn't care about any of the unlockables really at all. And of course they just revealed the characters through trailers now so there's no surprises and character inclusions became more of a popularity contest mostly just between third party characters. That said I'd probably still just play Ultimate over Melee or any of the others. Melee is nostalgic but it has a jank to it and I'm not a competitive player nor have I ever known anyone who was. I get thinking Brawl was a step backwards for sure though. The tripping mechanic is just the dumbest thing although I will say that I hardly noticed it until some YouTuber pointed it out so I didn't really care about it at the time.
>>12677887Brawl would be better but all the trophies went from "Look now you can look at this classoc nes,snes,gb,gbc, character you know as a 3d model we made from scratch" Into the cheap "Here is a 3d model of CHARACTER we ripped from WII GAME, please buy WII GAME"
>>12673742It's not a fighting game because it's not a Street Fighter clone. Hope this helps.
>learn fighting games over the years>community disgusts me and is horrible>they're spinless, corporate slaves that absolutely worship streamers and top players>the games themselves are nothing but DLC vehicles, literally unfinished games the community slurps up instead of demanding better via boycotts>the games are horribly broken at a high level and this is fine because dude le skill issueThe deeper you go into fighting games the worse they get
>2005u wot
>>12680116>VF, DoA, Tekken, and Soulcalibur are not fighting gamesretard
>>12680137you do not play fighting games and never have.
>>12673752if you really love melee you would move on to project M the only trad fighting game remotely comparable is virtua fighter >>12673793it has footsies, it has neutral and it has combos ( though you need to read your opponent to continue your combo) what about this is not a fighting game? >>12677945subspace mode was pretty cool. what was not cool was smash run//maze mode from sm4sh not having all four players in the maze at once, and not returning in smUsh
>>12680874What the schizo are you talking about? I've been playing for 15 years and it's true
>>12681327nah, you're larping
>>12680852Correct. Explain how they're fighting games.
>>12681721>explain why 2 + 2 equals 3
>>12681721you're retarded
>>12681698Yes anon, anyone who has problem with the genre and community is larping
>>12673742Melee is a good game with an absurdly high skill ceiling, but it doesn't conform to any standards of the fighting game genre so calling it such is a bit of a stretch.I also don't think it has as high of a skill ceiling as other famous esports like Dota, Counter-Strike, or Brood War. Those games beat Melee in terms of skill expression because they have so much better balance and variety in terms of levels and playable units/weapons/characters.Melee is arguably the best game on gamecube, but its whole "every character plays completely differently" thing is actually poorly realized because only about 8 characters are viable, and well trained Fox/Marth/Puff players just make the entire rest of the cast unviable, the other 5 out of 8 top characters only have 1 or 2 players in the entire world that can make them viable. That's how much the top 3 dwarf the rest of the cast, and even then Fox requires way less effort than Marth/Puff and is really in a class of his own, there are 10 Fox players for every Marth/Puff player.
>>12681778the criticisms are all outsider criticisms. actual FG players have distinctly different gripes.it's like that part in Inglourious Basterds where the dude uses the wrong hand signal for the number three so the nazi dude immediately knows he's an imposter.
smash is so fucking boring to watch though, its like watching two flys try to kill each other. At least third strike is absolute kino without knowing a single thing about fighting games
>>12681802>well trained Fox/Marth/Puff players just make the entire rest of the cast unviable, the other 5 out of 8 top characters only have 1 or 2 players in the entire world that can make them viable. That's how much the top 3 dwarf the rest of the castthis also describes 3rd strike and yet major brackets have been won by nearly every character besides 12 and Alex.
>>12681816Because at its core it's still a fighting game. Smash is something else. To excel in smash you need your character to be able to do a lot of things and have options in a lot of situations. Fox and Falco are the only characters in the game who excel at all of those things and have all those options. And Falco is just a gimped Fox so it's really only Fox.Fox doesn't play like a broken fighting game character, he plays like a broken Dota hero from back in the early 2000s when the game was just a silly mod no one played competitively. Back then there were characters with mapwide teleport, 5 second stuns, crits, invisibility, and broken damage auras, all on a single character. With no attempts at balancing, they just wanted to make one character feel badass and powerful. Fox is that kind of character. He just does everything, is good at everything, and his damage and knockback numbers are higher than they should be.For whatever reason this is a consistent problem with Smash Bros, Kirby was this character in 64, Meta-Knight was this character in Brawl, Bayonetta was this character in 3DS/WiiU, and fricking Steve from Minecraft is this character in Ultimate. It's even worse in the later games because the skill ceiling is so much lower, the god tier characters are just auto-win buttons if you practice for about 8 hours. More than anything else this balance philosophy is why Smash isn't a fighting game, and none of the games have the depth that they potentially could have if the whole cast was viable.
>>12681816>>12681856Nigga Yoshi won a tournament
>>12681941No, AMSa won a tournament on Yoshi. No one else has. And only after the top players of the game's golden age all retired, killed themselves, or succumbed to alcoholism. But I'd definitely put Yoshi in Top 8, he's a better character than Peach who also only had 1 good player.
>>12681812t. watched the daigo parry video once
>>12681810Yes anon, everyone who criticises it is an outsider
>>12681953I am still surprised Wife wasn't gay. He even has a gf and she's a bombshell (picrel)
>>12681961In my experience, most guys who are that comfortable leaning into gay jokes are slaying major poon.
>>12681964LOL
>>12681802Counter strike lacks the button inputs to be as deep as melee. I agree about brood war and dota. Saying only 8 characters are viable is retarded. We dececided that like 15 years ago and it was wrong. People have won major tourneys with pikachu, yoshi, donkey kong sense then. I am a puff main ( have been since i got the game on xmas morning the year it launched and this is part of why i vastly prefer PM and PMrex) and saying fox takes less effort than marth and puff is ridiculous>>12681941yes>>12681953same could be said about puff and Hbox , u contradicting yourself
>>12681954the daigo video is basically mundane as far as modern 3S goes
>>12681959I wish you luck in your continuing journey to hopefully someday have the reading comprehension of a second grader.
>>12682119Why can't you refute the points?
>>12682301I don't waste my time arguing about fighting games with people who don't play them
>>12673742>>the most technically demanding and highest skill ceiling fighting game is from 2005not a fighting game
>>12682895>game where the only thing you do is fight each other>not a fighting gameyou're retarded
>>12682756Concession: Accepted
>>12682919>b-but it's not a street fighter clone!!!!
>>12683605cope
