Dead hobby

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>>12680019
This

>>12680017
Not bad. What sort brand/ quality of cables did you get? The quality of cable does effect picture quality. Especially at a 32 inchs. I had a 36 inch jvc crt that I had to really feed it nice cables or still see analog noise. At least I can still use those cables on my scaler now.

>>12680152
If your cables don't look like pythons, are you really retrogaming?

>>12680152
not OP but I found an OEM one at a goodwill for $1.49
also got a gamecube one for $8 at a bookstore
yes both component not composite, and yes I actually use both and have no interest in selling them. Now I just need to find an xbox one but that's getting harder. I passed one up for $40 thinking I'd find one at goodwill but I still haven't

>>12680017
Seeing a memory card slot on a CRT is weird.

>>12680017
>component cables
Not retro.

>>12680189

This

how hard would it be to swap a crt screen on a 13' trinitron?

>>12680152
>What sort brand/ quality of cables did you get?
HD Retrovision

>>12680431
assuming you have two models of the same TV, you would just keep the working one as-is and be done with it.
assuming you have two different models of TV, it's probably retardedly difficult unless the tubes are somehow exactly the same

I kinda want one of those tiny CRTs with a vcr to put on my desk but I doubt I'd ever use it.

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Alright

>>12680189
>Go to audiophile forum
>Instead of people advocating for best speakers, cables and bespoke vinyl player, people advocate for using a home recorded cassette of a home recorded cassette on a 80s walkman with dogshit 80s headphones for authenticity and because such setup hides whatever production imperfections the music has by turning everything into tonal mush
This is /vr/

>>12681127
vinyl is literally worse quality
so are tube amps

two things audiophile go on and on about

>>12681127
Laughs in motion clarity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_motion_blur

>>12681591
Please follow the reply chain before you post

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Sony KV-20S40 I picked up from the dump last month. Some crackhead cut the power cable for copper. After repair and service menu adjustments it looks pretty good. Component moddable.
Every time I go there's a pallet of CRTs sitting there for the taking. Nothing crazy but now I have 4 Trinitrons, 3 Panasonics, and some other junk.

>>12681997
>The elites don’t want you to know this but the CRTs at the dump are free you can take them home I have 458 CRTs.

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The Dreamcast launched with VGA support via a separately sold VGA cable, that would let you play all Dreamcast games in 480p quality.
But the Dreamcast was released in December 1998 in Japan.
So if you were going to play your DC games on a PC CRT it was probably an old PC-98 monitor.

>>12681997
Won't they have been rained on?

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>>12680017
Moving into a new place, and I kinda want to get scart switch with two outputs (one for CRT, one for video capture). How are those Aliexpress ones? Idea is to get GBSC Pro and cheap UVC HDMI grabber so I can just capture gameplay.

>>12682689
Yeah they're sometimes wet from the rain when I get them. Once dried out they're good to go through.

>>12680019
It'll be dead once shaders stop being a nightmare to tweak and fuck with.

>>12683782
>stop being a nightmare to tweak and fuck with
You just know this dude would have a panic attack if faced with a command line

>>12683783
DOS is 10k times easier to fuck with than any shader out there

>>12683785
What the fuck are you even using? MegaBezel? use a simpler shader first

>>12683796
CRT-Guest-HD and CRT-Lottes

>>12683798
Guest is comprehensive but not too bad, the parameters are all self-explaining. Just find a base setting you like, save it and don't think too hard about it

>>12683803
>the parameters are all self-explaining
Yes because halation and mask are clearly self explainable.

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>>12683819
You can ask any search engine what is halation (but believe me it's not that important unless you want a very blurry look). And masks are the most basic thing you should know about CRTs. On top of that you should also learn about TVL (which in guest-advanced is controlled by mask type and mask size settings). By the way, I advise sticking to the normal guest-advanced shader over the HD version, the HD version overcomplicates some things and it looks worse IMO.

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>>12683830
Anon, I don't want to know any of this, I want to play a fucking videogame. I'll demonstrate what I mean.

This is Duckstation native.

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>>12683834
This is CRT Lottes fresh out of the box. The colors are fucked up, it's blurry and I don't think scanlines are supposed to be vertical like that.

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>>12683836
This is Guest HD. No parameters changed.

I tried Guest Advanced and that looks even MORE fucked up.

>>12683834
>Duckstation
I know your problem now. Use retroarch if you wanna use shaders (no ifs and buts), the duckstation implementation is ass.

>>12683843
No way in fucking hell am I navigating that eldritch nightmare of a program. The people who made that thing should be imprisoned for it. I'd rather eat my own shit than touch it.

>>12683846
Ok, but I advise you to not bother with shaders on duckstation anyway. The shaders are usually designed for RA use and the duckstation ports aren't even official, just a hackjob by third parties. Accept your fate.

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It's pretty difficult to explain, and I'm sure a lot of users on /vr/ would instinctively try to refute the idea, but there are some situations in retro gaming where playing retro games in progressive scan is actually *worse* for motion clarity than playing them in interlaced mode due to the game running in native interlaced resolution and having very odd native frame rates.

Interested in learning more?

Tubes > flats

>>12683868
What about flat tubes?

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>>12680017
At what point do we have to worry about the majority of CRTs dying? Obviously brand quality determines life span, but I mean for average consumer CRTs you'll mostly find. Not the fancy stuff.

>>12683980
CRT's can last hundreds of years if they aren't abused

>>12683980
whenever capacitors stop being produced

>>12683980
Not in our lifetimes. Better learn how to work on them though.

>>12683830
>Trusting google AI

You are such a stupid fool

>>12684086
I'm replacing all the capacitors in an old zenith now... I don't know how to do anything else though. Wish there was a way to test them in-circuit. If I have to pull them to test them they're getting replaced.

>>12684142
The most important thing to learn beyond routine cap replacement and adjustments is using an oscilloscope to troubleshoot along a signal path. Imo it's pretty tough without an electrical background and experience

>>12681997
>>12682060
Last time I went to the dump they explicitly told me I wasn't allowed to take anything, they had a bin full of CRTs with a PC Trinitron right on top

>>12683852
>Interested in learning more?
No.

>>12683980
CRTs can last a long ass time. They were made durable and reliable. 99% of the issues that some CRTs have now are super simple to fix like a transistor replacement or something along those lines. The only way for a CRT to die is if the tube itself has finally had enough.

>>12684291
It's wild how many working CRTs end up there. They're gay about letting people take them but sometimes the worker will look the other way if you ask first.

>>12683852
Yes

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Just bought this sexy matchline for 30€ from a dentist who wanted to get rid of his stuff

got influenced by some know-it-all anon who said earlier that one of the most important things to seek in a CRT is the screen size so I got rid of my 14" trinitron for a 21" and damn anon was right, it's incredible, the image is stunning and the integrated 2.1 sound system is sick too

thanks anon

>>12685643
Nice. I really need to figure out how to get a crt finally. Too many scalpers around here snatching and relisting all the obvious ones for hundreds of dollars.
The second I see any listing say "CRT" I know to immediately disregard it because theyre going to ask for some retarded price like $200+

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My first Trinitron :D

>>12685652
How do you guys find these or are you just buying them off ebay

>>12685723
I used Facebook Marketplace

>>12685723
Some people just get really lucky and live in an area where they're part and parcel on Facebook. I've heard that you can sometimes find them at estate sells too.

>>12684364
There's a bit more to it than that but yeah.
Components that are hard to replace and are bad to have fail on you:
The picture tube (obviously)
The flyback transformer. They're not made anymore and there are a lot of different ones made for different sets, and they're not really interchangeable.
Jungle ICs. Not made anymore, hard to get and are a pain to install if you do.
Horizontal output transistor. These aren't just a typical transistor. They need to generate a ~1000V sawtooth wave at tens of thousands of hertz, to hundreds of thousands of hertz for high end PC monitors. Often not interchangeable from one set to another.

All that said, if they're not abused, CRTs can last a LONG time.

>>12686405
Is it conceivable to make a universal jungle IC? If yes then I can see such a project happening at some point. As already discussed on /vr/ a million times, picture tubes won't ever be produced in meaningful numbers. Flybacks who knows, maybe someone will come up with a programmable universal replacement. Not sure about the HOT, but I guess there's nothing stopping the Chinese from producing those, if there's demand. The interest in CRTs has gone from almost nothing to hundreds of thousands of people in the last 10 years or so, I'm sure there will be efforts to keep this tech going

The damn geometry and overscan on my 2000s Samsung has finally gotten to me. I don't like playing on it anymore. But goddamn every other crt around is overpriced as Hell. Living in Seattle is rough cause you have plenty of CRT options; but everyone knows what they can get away with charging for them.
I just want something decent and with component input, I don't even want anything beyond consumer grade. If you're gonna charge me 500$ I may as well suck it up and get a Retrotink for fucks sake.

>>12685723
Most people buy one and then lie saying they found it on the side of the road for free because they're really embarrassed to admit how much they spent on the set

>>12685726
How much did you pay? Marketplace in my area is not cheap.

>>12686562
$100, plus $40 for delivery since our schedules didn't line up

>>12686417
Sure, but the demand isn't there. There are already universal crt kits from China that include all of the electricals and they work.

>>12686813
Shit, that'd be like $250 here. Gratz on the find.

>>12683852
Various PS2 games operate using interlaced rendering. Forcing progressive would completely destroy the graphics, it would not be just a bit worse it would be practically unplayable. Besides that progressive is typically never going to be worse.

Why does 240p 60fps at 120hz have more motion blur than 240p 60fps at 60hz when you run a PC CRT in 240p120 mode?

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>>12685647
>>12685723
Got it on Leboncoin, basically the french craigslist; relatively easy to come across vendors not knowing any better depending on where you live.
Although we also have our fair share of scalpers, it's not anywhere as bad as what you guys seem to experience in 'murrica, I wonder if your influencers are to blame.

pic: inside the Matchline, 30-40 years of dusty deposits. I don't know why the little PCB is in such a pristine condition tho.

>>12685723
I have around 100 crts at this point and i have only paid money for maybe 10 of them. You literally do just come across them when you are not expecting to. I drive by two almost daily that have been sitting outside for months, but are slightly too much of a pain for me to stop and just take them to add to the pile.

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If you have a 13-20" Trinitron, there's a guy on ebay selling new old stock RM-Y156 remotes for 10 bucks shipped. Nice having a fresh factory 'mote

>>12685652
Nice, is that an HD model?

>>12687458
SD.

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I have a panasonic tc 14s1rc from e-waste bin. Yea its small but i dont care, gives me those vibes from childhood.

>>12687261
For motion clarify refresh rate much exactly match frame rate. Frames are point samples that much be displayed at only a single instant of time. At 120Hz the frame is displayed twice at two different times, resulting in a double image. At 180Hz you would see three overlapped images. As refresh rate goes to infinity more duplicates would fill in until it becomes a solid blur, which is what a sample and hold display does, sample and hold is like having an infinite refresh rate.

Not a CRT but I saw an LCD TV with a scart and hdmi in the back.
Haven't seen one of those in a long time.

>>12687706
These sets are the perfect size for anything nes/pc engine and older.

I just picked up two Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB's.

>>12687298
That's a FL1.0AA chassi right?

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>>12687973

Yes, i don't know about that AA thing though

I really can't find any manual online, I'm not really knowledgeable but I think the tv is calibrated for PAL, so when I use any NTSC media the image is shifted a bit too much in the right side of the screen

I don't know how to adjust it since there's no H-CENT potentiometer

>>12688000
It says 50hz on that sticker you posted, so it certainly seems to be the case that it'a calibrated for PAL.

>>12687298
Disgusting as it is, that isn't as much accumulation as I've seen on some.

>>12687706
Feels like 13"-20" is the sweet spot for everything you can use it to watch/play. Panasonic tubes put out a great picture

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>>12688000
That's a really good TV, that was Philips top of the line chassi.
Does it also have a CDI mode?
If you lack a remote this is the one to get.

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>>12688002

I know that in europe they labeled CRTs to be 50hz even though they could run 60hz, i don't know why

>>12688296

Thanks anon but I have the remote, I just broke the two side claps day 1 like a retard

I didn't have the time to really enjoy it yet, I just finished cleaning it thoroughly with q-tip and isopropyl alcohol, I hope it has the service menu but I doubt it since it's a 1992 tv

I even asked gemini but he's dumb

do you guys use emulators on CRT monitors, so you have the motion persistence benefits of a CRT, but also the increased resolution benefits of an emulator upscaling/uprendering?
or do you stick with original hardware on a 15khz crt tv?

>>12688452
Fuck is that!?

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Picked up a free KV-20FS120 today. 20" with component input. The diagnostic LED blinks 4 times which seems to be pretty common on these. Hope I can get it going

I need a good stand for my 32 inch trinitron. Any suggestions?

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Postin'.

Got another 8041Q the wall continues to be built.

>>12688653
Performative

>>12688658
K

>>12688660
he's right you little fag

>>12688667
Buy a CRT

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>>12680017
This one is sadly on its way out, there's a noticeable blue tint and when it warms up it blanks for a sec

>>12688653
i think it's cool anon

>>12688669
Stop driving up the prices fag

>>12688802
It's no use, this trannies will I filtrate and shit up everything you like.

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if i dont use a crt, just keep it in my livingroom powered off, what causes it to still deteriorate?

>>12688975
entropy, oxygen, and humidity

>>12688987
any way to minimize it?

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>>12688997
Dust it off and use it once every couple of months, try to keep it out of direct sunlight

>>12689009
>use it once every couple of months
why does that help it? just curious by what mechanism

>>12689009
looks like an emulator+shader screenshot

>>12688452
>in europe they labeled CRTs to be 50hz even though they could run 60hz, i don't know why
It's the 50 Hz AC mains frequency, anon.

>>12688723
Maybe bad caps messing with the blue drive or cutoff? That would be best case scenario

>>12689012
something about capacitors and keeping them "live" extends their life and they're less likely to dry out and fail or something. I guess you can think of it like a phone battery - if you let it sit discharged for an entire year the capacity is gonna be shit when you charge it again

how do i best clean my CRTs glass? It has some fingerprint and some other unknown smearing on it.
I dont want to damage/ruin the glass

>>12689070
cause it is, look at that horrible bilinear.

should i cover the holes in the crt housing if its not in use, so no dust gets in it?

>>12689801
Distilled water or glass cleaner without ammonia on a microfiber cloth. It's not fragile unless theres an anti-glare coating on it.

>>12680017
i was just hearing from a friend how cool trinitrons are! how is the picture? lets see it in action!

>>12681127
i just digitally master songs before i record them straight onto cassette. they sound good to me.

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still trying to figure out how to get a signal from this thing, cause last night I managed to get wavy lines and color by doing whatever BNC cables to vga it came with

>>12687318
have you never considered pickig those up and selling them at reasonable prices to anons?

>>12690084
Break down the devices you're using, the cables, the inputs, the resolution and refresh rate you're sending, and what kind of buttons you have on the front of the monitor.

>>12680017
Oh yeah? Well I just got me a Sony KV-639462936295726 from FC marketplace and my penis still has foreskin.

Since the Sony HDTV CRTs are 540p/1080i, is there any way to show native 540p on them?

>>12681127
Realizing that imaging/sharpness/accuracy isn't the be-all and end-all of art is like week 2 of every enthusiast hobby. Audio, photography, film, games...

>>12691954
Yes, there is a setting in the service mode to allow this. You would need a PC and a custom resolution to send native 720x540p60.
Once done, you can play things like emulated 480p games in a 35.6" window for 1:1 pixel accuracy.

>>12691954
retrotink maybe

After some math and thinking, and then some more math and thinking I'm fairly confident in saying that monitors like the AM4201R, XP37, and XC3730C can indeed display real interlaced high definition video via a 1280x960i modeline.

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can one of you guys buy this thing and review it
ebay 322222572622

>>12692141
Even if it was a full 15-65khz multi-sync monitor it wouldn't be worth $800

I gave away/sold 2 CRTs this week. One was to a little kid, probably 10 yo, other was to a zoomer girl. Not your usual collectors. Demand is crazy right now.

>>12692228
Demand for everything is crazy post covid, it's fucked up. Scalpers realized they can just buy up and horde every niche hobby and screw the actual hobbyists over.

>>12693037
I don't understand how everyone except me got richer after covid apparently. The fucking economy shut down for an entire year ffs

>>12691443
Yes, that's the intent. Been testing the waters by bringing a few smaller ones to a little game show i sell at twice a year.

>>12688000

Well apparently there was a H-CENT potentiometer in there, the geometry is perfectly fine now I'm so happy

>>12688581

The remote lmao, I don't know what they were thinking, shit's scary

>>12693038
Lots of people kept getting paid + if you had investments (anything at all) you benefited from the post covid inflation. I bought my house during covid for 180 and then sold it for 350 just 5 years later.

>>12692228
>>12693037
Some of it is the scalper/reseller scum that need to get a real job, but also a lot of it is people with very little knowledge coming into this that are willing to throw down hundreds of dollars on something before even understanding what it is and whether it fits their needs. Go to the crt reddit or a facebook page and every day there is posts like "How do i hook up ps2 to this" and "did i get a good deal for 150" and its like a 13 inch RF-only set.

>>12693134
Sounds like the tiktok effect. Mindlessly jump on whatever is trending.
Not going to lie I sold a ton of modded PSPs for crazy prices because of tiktok, but RF-only TVs I give away for free. They're one step above e-waste.

>>12693145
Also a lot of them now have this sunk cost thing. I saw a vhs/dvd combo unit for sale recently for 300 dollars. I tried talking the guy down (before realizing it was composite only, not what i wanted) but he was firm because he "bought really high".

>>12693038
They were practically throwing money away during peak covid. A complete moron former friend of my gf was getting multiple thousands of dollars a month free from the government in unemployment during this time and blew it all on a used car (in cash). It got towed after a month or two (because she's a moron) and she just left it at the impound and never bothered to pick it up (again, moron) and now she has no car. Glad people like me paid to support this scam

I have to carry a 32 inch Sony up a bunch of stairs when I move into my new apartment and I don't have any friends to help me. :(

>>12693652
Start going to the gym do squats, dead lifts, overhead press and bench press.

>>12693652
Unless you have a stair climbing dolly I wouldn't even attempt it solo.

>>12693657
Nah, it's getting up there even if someone has to die

>>12693652
Where you live? If I’m in the tri state area I’ll help

>>12693654
Shit posting aside, what I have noticed 28-29" is the largest size before it genuinely becomes a pain the fucking ass.
That is non SONY sets, Trinitrons always weight a extra 10kgs so I have noticed for whatever reason,

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>>12693652
Gonna be honest since I moved from my parents to a new place I bought a transport cart. Really helps a lot. Do it for your back. If you have quite a few stairs get the model with three rotating wheels wheels, worth the extra cash

>>12693652
Katamari roll it and walk it up stairs.

>>12693652
an appliance dolly is a good investment. otherwise you could hire a moving company. not really getting the bang for your buck there but it works, i've done it before to move a couple couches.

My Sony Trinitron has some weird distorsion going on (mostly noticeable during black screens) and the speakers have a weird buzzing sound that never goes away. Not to mention the geometry is all kinds of fucked. It's actually amazing I enjoy playing games on it so much; most CRTfags obsess over details like these and don't play games.

Where do I get one if Facebook Marketplace isn't an option bros

Everything before Dreamcast I would say is best with composite cables. The little blur it adds to the colors gives it a pleasant extra texture and detail. For the 6th gen it's a little more ambiguous as 3D resolution had improved greatly and some games were starting to support progressive scan and widescreen, but I will say I prefer composite for PS2 because it had the jaggiest and blurriest output of that generation already, and clearer cables just highlight its limitations.

>>12680019
Can it die after I get one at least? I finally moved somewhere with a basement.

>>12694193
They're really not that hard to get, honestly. You can get a 14 incher on ebay for like 80 bucks if you search well. And that's not taking into account facebook marketplace and other shit.

If you want a fancy one you're gonna have to pay a lot more but that's true of everything. 14 inch CRTs are nothing to scoff at, just sit closer to it.

>>12694169
Go to any old building like an old folks home or mental institution and pretend you work there, grab the tv and go

>>12694169
Already covered ITT

I have an old teac crt without a remote. Unfortunately the face buttons don't allow me to change the input source. None of the universal remotes I can find online list my specific model as being compatible. Should I just buy one that has listed an approximately close model as compatible, or should I just buy a phone attachment IR blaster and do it that way?

>>12694192
>Everything before Dreamcast I would say is best with composite cables
What about arcade games?

>>12694757
>TEAC
Post a picture of it or even the menus. Most likely a Vestel rebrand tv

>>12694810
>Made in China
Well fuck me it's not Vestel rebrand , if it said made in say Korea Republic then it would have been 100% a Daewoo rebrand. Looks like its from 1993-1996 ish by the aesthetics. Keep in mind during this era Taiwanese products were also stamped with "MADE IN CHINA" . Easiest is just opening it up see what it says on the motherboard. If you don't feel like doing that take a picture of the OSD menus.
If you are lucky it uses the most generic Philips jungle chip then you can basically just go through supermarket brands with the universal remote such Goodmans, Alba or whatever existed in where it is you live then you are bound to stumble upon settings that work.

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>>12695053
>take a picture of the OSD menus
There's no menu so to speak. The "mode" face button only cycles between colour, contrast and brightness adjustment. Turning the tv on shows the green arrow symbol in the top right which I assume is the tv antenna input. I just want to plug my snes and psone into it so I could possibly just get an adapter cable and avoid needing a remote at all.
>Easiest is just opening it up see what it says on the motherboard
I got it for free so I don't really mind damaging the thing but I'd rather not if I can avoid it. I found a pretty comprehensive manual for it that might show what I need.

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>>12695219
According to this it uses a Toshiba jungle chip, try all codes for Toshiba.

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Will CRTs ever get cheaper or are we doomed for them to keep going up in price as more and more die out?

I like OLED but it's not great for /vr/ era games. Especially gen 5 and prior.

>>12683852
I used to have this couch, it was more comfortable than my shitty bed so I slept on it instead

>>12695257
probably not but we might start seeing some of the fad jumper people start trying to offload their sets that they overpaid for. but also a lot of those are just RF or composite only shit anyway that no one here would want.

>>12695360
Honestly a CRT isnt worth it without component or RGB.

>>12693652
i'm a rather big fella (6'2", 235 lbs, broad shoulders) and i did this years ago. actually went to see my doctor and had a chest xray afterwards due to several intermittent bouts of subsequent chest discomfort. everything turned out to be fine but be careful anon

>>12695364
What about s-video?

>tfw wife is a size queen and refuses to play couch co-op games on my pvm because "it hurts my eyes"
>says she'll only play if we hook the systems up to the flatscreen in the living room
It's 21 inches btw so it's not like it's even a small one

>>12695401
>wife
Leave

>>12695401
Get a proper 27 or 32 inch at least. 21 inches is what we call below average and incapable of satisfying a woman.

>>12695391
What ABOUT S-Video?

>>12695391
S-video looks like shit after using component or RGB sorry.

Why did Sony have to make their TVs so heavy?

>>12695364
>gearnigger hobby tourists who don't play games actually believe this
if you aren't blurmaxxing with rf and composite you don't belong on this board

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>>12695697

>>12695697
I too hate arcades

>>12695707
are you gonna attempt this gotcha every thread you pendantic faggot

>>12695715
Why do you pretend arcade and PC games don't exist?

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My new in box E200

>>12695745
Looks like the printer from office space

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I have this guy I found it for $1 in my small town at a firefighters hotdogs and thriftsale

its only 9 fucking inches, so 2d games look amazing but 3d games are literally so small it kinda hurts my eyes sometimes.

>>12688000
>50hz
eurocuck detected

>>12692141
>ebay 322222572622
>$799
You're smoking crack.

>>12693652
>needing help to move a 32in crt
Grim. You zoomers are a pathetic generation.

>>12695865
Do small carts have component, I don't see the sin in those, I would love to have one for my niece and gave her a VHS deck and record cartoons for her.

>>12695364
Unless you wanna fall for the HDMI trough chink transcoder to 480p retroshart meme, then just use consoles with composite.

>>12695257
No, it's only going to get worse unfortunately.

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>>12695869
That TV and tube mogs whatever amerishart television set you own.

>>12692141
>>12692194
>>12695906
It says it right on the front of the set: badcazaazz. It's bad cuz its ass.

I want to get a CRT display to emulate old games on my PC. Do I get a TV or a monitor? I'll be getting it locally so I'm interested in the cheap common stuff.

Back in the pre-poverty era, enthusiasts looked and desired sets with RGB for crystal clear graphics to mimic the arcade experience, waterfalls you see for only one second be damned. After the poverty era set in and broke niggas could only afford RF/Composite only sets, they now cope with the narrative of it being the real way to play video games.

>>12696387
Depends on what you mean by old games. If they're 240p/480i console games then a standard 15kHz TV is better.

>>12696531
Mainly PS1, PS2, GC and PC games from the 90s. I forgot to mention that I'm europoor so no 60Hz TVs for me

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>>12696529
Cheap televisions through RGB are nice too, not as sharp look as a high tvl tube but a charming look never the less

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>>12696749
Another cheapo tv through rgb

>>12695364

Maybe for movies or some shit.

I'm starting to think this mythical CRT warehouse in Massachusetts is an AI scam. All this hoopla about it after it happened, not before. And no notice what-so-ever of another date for sales in the future despite there supposedly being thousands and thousands more TVs there.

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>>12680017
>ordered one of these off of eBay for my Magnavox 32"
What am I in for? Haven't watched cable in a long time and I'd like to have something in my room for playing background noise that isn't any of my other entertainment setups.

>>12697416
bro I'm mythically warehousing CRTs rn

>>12697416
It's not that hard to believe, some guy was probably paid to take e-waste away and then just stuck it all in a place where he didnt have to actually pay for disposal and pocketed all the cash

>>12696749
>Cheap televisions through RGB
Unknown to Americans unless they can read schematics and use a soldering iron, hence the rf/composite meme cope.

I'm trying RGB on SNES for the first time and it's really kind of jarring. All the reds and oranges are just so intense it's kind of off putting. Is that normal with RGB or is this a tv issue?

>>12698319
super nintendo has aggressive color biases, I prefer something like Genesis which is more neutral.

>>12697858
Disappointment because analong tv signals haven't been a thing in over 20 years

>>12697858
assuming this is a digital antenna you would still need a converter box for an older TV to make it analog, if it's analog antenna than you just won't pick up any signals at all

>>12697416
>>12698210
That just sounds like my house.

>>12696529
Why would i care about "the arcade experience" look for console games?

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>>12681997
Dump rescue anon here. Went back today and got this Samsung crt. No component input but has s-video at least. there was also a small box next to it with an Xbox series S/X controller so I grabbed that too.

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>>12698936
Insanely clean inside for being 26 years old

>>12698952
uh, was this even used? insane find.

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>>12698962
Right? I've never found one this clean before.

>>12698965
I did once. A mid 90s trinitron with s-video that was in some old peoples basement forever and basically never used. Unfortunately, it has a bad case of brittle plastic so I don't think it's gonna survive me moving it ever again

>>12698967
I've heard about brittle sonys but have never experienced that here in the Southeast. Maybe humid enough to prevent it. Are you in an arid climate?

>>12698923
>Says while playing The King of Fighters '95 for the Sega Saturn

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The board is /tv/. Someone is berating another guy for using blu-rays sourced from the original film print instead of the VHS copy that hides the stuntman's face.

It never happened. But in a parallel universe...

>>12698974
Nah I'm in the midwest so actually we get a lot of humidity. I did a little research (aka half assed googling) and it seems to be a somewhat common thing with Trinitrons of the mid 90s. From what I recall reading it had to do with the plastic mix they used.

>>12698978
That sort of thing does happen, actually. You'd see it more if there was a /film/ board like /vr/ is to /v/.

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i want to a CRT but i don't want to spend a lot of money on one.
i would have kept the one i had in the mid 2000s but my mother forced me to get rid of it after i got a hd flat screen
i don't like giving tech away

>>12699042
i want a CRT*

>>12698978
The analogy works, but we're the blu-ray guys and the people playing with bilinear filtering stretched to 16:9 on LCD are the VHS guys.

>>12699030
Some low-budget horror does look better in low-quality VHS compared to the original film.

>>12698974
I was moving a trinitron once and set it down briefly on a corner angle while still keeping it balanced and i guess all the weight on one point was too much and cracked it. I tried salvaging it but then it seemed like the entire thing was just breaking apart without much effort.

>>12698978
But what tvs and inputs are both individuals using?

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Today I got a 20" RCA TruFlat CRT TV/DVD for free from my daughter's daycare. Everything works perfectly, including the built-in DVD player. Only downside is that the remote is missing. Had two composite inputs, one component input, and one RF input. No S-Video.

RCA for whatever reason still has 4 replacement remotes in stock via Amazon? Or I can get a $7 programmable remote for it. Looks pointless to have a remote though due to how many buttons are on the front of the TV itself.
Unit is also new enough that it will read CD-Rs full of mp3s, WMA, MPEG-4, VCD, DIVX, and JPEGs.

>>12699406
These late-era 20"ers with component are really nice. It's not common on that size before the mid-late 2000s in my experience.

>>12699406
Also you may want a remote for use of the service menu. A truflat that late w/ the SDTV logo most likely has a service menu.

>>12699406
Those are pretty nice. I have the 14" silver one with s-video instead of component. Be advised that the microswitches for the buttons are all but guaranteed to go bad and start triggering random functions. You can get replacements on digikey.

>>12698936
Teach me your ways. I'm trying to find a CRT but I'm a bit picky, the only acceptable one I've seen on Marketplace is just a little too expensive.

All you need is rf

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>>12699572
Not much to it other than making the effort to go to public recycling centers that accept TVs. Don't expect to find desirable models every time, though it does happen.
Grab whatever's there that looks decent to rescue it from the scrapper. I give away/sell those to fund other purchases.
Oh and when you go, do your normal recycling at the same time so it doesn't look sus to the employees. The ones in my city don't really care but it can vary.

>>12698967
Purely anecdotal but from personal experiences I have noticed that it's mostly the 2000s plastic that becomes brittle.

>>12680017
Flat Sonys are known to be the worst due to geometry issues. Cillindrical or all-round trinitrons were better.

>>12696387
You should just use a CRT shader on your emulator, and an OLED monitor if you need deep blacks.

>>12698965
Underneath many of those electrolitycs you might find a not so clean surprise. But you would need to desolder them to see it.

>>12698952
>25.000 V
>The entire tube acts as a capacitor, holds charge for days
>Lead and toxic dust inside
>Can implode and then explode
>Would emit X-rays if not for the shielding
Reminder than CRTs are the most hazardous appliance ever made, and the average electronics hobbyist should refrain from opening one and fuck around, even if it is turned off.

>>12699864
They're probably fine but I'll pull the board out and look closer. I have an ESR meter if I suspect any caps are bad.
>>12699875
Only basic precautions and common sense are needed. Most of the 90s and 00s TVs have bleed off resistors. Once unplugged the charge is gone in minutes. Discharging the tube manually is easy as an additional precaution. It's not nearly as dangerous as you're making it seem.

>>12694169
pay the tax

>>12695869
t. never heard of PAL60

>>12697858
looks like one of the old analog antennas. those were switched off over a decade ago here.
I have a digital one that needs no power source and works fine.

>>12699875
Considering the majority of slobs once working as crt repairmen were pretty shit at their job, i think a hobbyist with actual interest in this stuff will be at low risk.

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>>12698518
>>12700362
Guys, please, there is no such thing as an "analog antenna." It's just an antenna. A "rabbit ears" style antenna like >>12697858 is still equally suited to receiving transmissions today, on the frequencies it was designed for. The straight, extendable antennas on hinges are designed to pick up VHF, and the circular loop part are designed to pick up UHF. Both VHF and UHF are still used for digital television broadcasts in North America (although you should look up the physical frequencies of the channels in your area. In mine, there are no channels on VHF, everything is in the UHF range, so you don't need the "ears").

The VHF antennas work best if you match the length to the channel you are trying to pick up (longest position for channel 2, shorter positions for higher channels up to 13) and position them so that they make a right angle to each other. The UHF loop works best with its broad side facing towards the direction of the transmitter you are trying to pick up, or else bent down flat, parallel to the ground, like a dish (this cuts the signal strength in half compared to the upright configuration, but makes the antenna omnidirectional, useful if you are within range of two different media markets in different directions).

It is correct that you need a "converter" box to see digital television on an old TV that only has an analog tuner. These converters are really just "set top boxes," digital tuners with an analog video output on "channel 3," that usually had their own remote control like a cable box. The government actually gave these away for free for a few yeas around the time of the transition, so in my experience they are still easy to find at thrift stores for a few bucks.

>>12699875
Not even remotely the most hazardous.

Like, consider something actually hazardous. A Microwave oven will destroy your eyes if its safety switches malfunction such that it remains on with the door open. And if you were to touch the high voltage power supply inside, you would be dead before you hit the floor.

>find the perfect TV stand at Goodwill for my CRT
>"oh sorry, someone's already bought it"
<:(

>>12699854
The average person won't even notice the geometry issues

>>12700476
there will be more. just keep checking back.

>>12700569
But it was so FUCKING PERFECT

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I just think they’re neat

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>>12700745
Also when I’m watching shows from the early 2000's I can't help to check out their CRT's. That's a big fucking Sony, I'd love that thing and it probably wound up in a dump somewhere.

It’s 0.5 Gandolfini’s tall (huge)

>>12680189
They will seethe, but this is true. Composite/RF or bust. If you want clarity, just play digital or emulate. You're missing the point of playing retro.

>>12700915
You only play systems for children and extrapolating them as the entirety of retro.

This general sucks now because you're only allowed to have one single ssetup that happens to align perfectly with what broke niggas can afford, and deviation from it gets you berated for not being a true connoisseur.
I have more important things to do so from now on
>/CRT/i;op:only

>>12699875
Just a reminder there is no documented evidence, even throughout the entirety of the 20th century, of someone being killed by a CRT shock.

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>>12700476
Literally me but with any CRT I was looking at on Facebook.

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hey gang, im having this strange clicking issue with my CRT. it makes this quick clicking noise while it's plugged in and turned off. when it's on the noise stops. it's in my man cave where its hot while im not in there but when i am the ac's turned on and it's cold. i didnt notice any noise coming from it until about an hour and 30 minutes of me chilling in there with the AC blasting. I heard temperature change could be making it make this noise. anyone have any idea what it could be? the unit was in storage from a guy I bought it from for i dont know how long so im sure it was unused for quite some time. I've been told that it sounds like relay clicking and that it sounds like something may be wrong with my circuit. would anyone have any idea what repair costs might be looking like? I want to take it into a shop to get it refurbished as soon as possible. model is a Sanyo DS27930 btw

>>12701339
samefag here. based on my research this seems to be a common issue with Sanyo sets. anyone else with a Sanyo experience this? did your set have any issues aside from this noise?

>>12701339
AI chatbots will give you the most common reasons and things to look at for a continuously clicking relay. Likely an issue in the power supply circuit. Capacitors are a good place to start. Sanyo didn't use the best components to begin with. Can you work on it yourself?

>>12700429
I already got shocked by the high voltage cap in one of those, that's why I'm warning the anons. These caps kill. I'm only writing this because the Lord spared me.

>>12701564
discharge your shit and she'll be right

>>12700479
Mine is atrocious and is one of the old cillindrical model. I already messed with the service menu to no avail. I concluded that the combination of a side speaker and some badly positioned mag strips are ruining the top left corner geometry. While it could be minimized by manually adjusting the strips with the monitor open and turned on, I'm not planning on risking mi life further. I could sent it to a CRT technician but in my area they are all dead or retired.

Man I got like 4 CRTs but I don't really like any of them, they definitely don't get me any clout points on the internet. Wish At least one of them had component/VGA, some of them don't even have composite so I've had to use VCRs as adapters before.

>>12701923
Throw them into the ocean and get something you like. Don't sleep on 90s CRTs that are RGB moddable if you're inclined to work on them yourself.

>>12694169
Update from this anon. I talked my mother into Marketplace and got one

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I recently got into CRTs because i couldnt stand the motion clarity issues on modern displays, even BFI couldnt really fix it on sidescrollers.
I now have
- IBM P260
- 2x LaCie Electron 22 Blue IV
- Some random 14inch consumer TV
- Commodore 1942 (bi-scan)
- Sony PVM 20M2E
- Dell M993s (average PC monitor)

I could get more, i could get another IBM P260 as a backup, or find some other model for more options/variety, but i think i got enough CRTs to last me. right?

>>12703519
You don't need that many fucking CRTs

>>12703686
I also have 13 Xbox 360s and 5 gamecubes and 6 PS2's and 5 PS3s.

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you can get a cheap crt on the shopgoodwill website

>>12703753
yeah naw people ramp the fuck outta them when they are close to the end. also im banned from their site anyway

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is the RCA truflat a good tv?

i think it comes with component

>>12703519
Oh look, a hoarder.

>>12701541
Then don't trust ai chatbots, LOOK DEEPER!

>>12703753
>not pictured: $80 shipping free
>*breaks in shipping* sorry no refunds

>>12703783
They're mid to high tier consumer sets, pretty good, I have a 20" one

>>12703753
You can get free crt behind goodwill when they are closed.

>>12703959
yeah i thought about dumpster diving in order to get a gree one. unfortunately i don't own a vehicle

will they ever create a device that makes retro games look better on a modern tv than on a CRT?

>>12704085
long after we are dead, if civilization doesn't collapse / overrun by Low IQ niggers

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should i buy this? it's an lcd for 30 dollars

>>12704085
MicroLED is already on the market, just expensive.

>>12704194
Nah but if you want a 4:3 LCD monitor they do sell 21" on aliexpress apparently its pretty gud

>>12704194
No, that is an ancient LCD that does nothing good.

>>12704264
They will look like blurry ghosting shit. This is a fool's errand.

>>12703927
>what is insurance?

i kinda prefer to just watch old shit on my tv than play retro games at this point

>>12703753
>bids
>2d left
yeah right. bet these all go over 100.

>>12704342
i just play retro games on my led television. i don't care that it looks like shit
it looks good enough

if i am gonna blind buy a crt not knowing what the picture quality is going to look like i am not paying more than 20 dollars for one

i might pay 30 dollars if i know what the picture quality looks like

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can one of you guys buy one of these and review it
ebay 156636903480

>>12704469
Mad Max crt

>>12704371
How much do you think a fair price for a CRT should be?

>>12704531
in 2026 5 or 10 bucks
it's old tech

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found this on the curbside while walking my dog. turns on and is in really good condition

>>12704597
i got one of these for free. Good little tv. My DVD player will only read cds though, lol

>>12704531
Depends on your area and who you ask. I sell CRTs for between 75-150 depending on what it is. They sell same day locally. The demand for good condition ones is sky high right now.

>>12704597
i wish i could find something like that for free

someone else would most likely grab it before i could take it

>>12704679
in the past five months I've passed up 2 other crts on my walk. one was a 19-21" trinitron that I regret not taking. nobody snatched them up. I walked passed them for over a week before the city picked em up.

I passed the trinitron 3 days saying I should come back for it. but I didnt have anything to connect to it or anywhere to put it so I kept saying nah. then it rained like crazy and that was the end of that.

this one I was suprised how good it looked (2003 manufacture date), how small a footprint it had, and how light it was. I carried it home with one hand whith my dog yanking me around to piss on bushes.

I got something to hook up this time too. I ordered a superstation one a few months ago.

>>12704194
can someone explain why people want 4:3 LCDs? arent they dogshit, why not use a 4:3 CRT?

>>12704757
I cant explain it. just fucking use a modern display in pillarbox

>>12701570
Thats hard to do when you ignore they exist. The high voltage caps inside microwaves don't look like normal caps at all. And you would need a huge resistor (one of the white squared ones) to bleed these caps. Its not a part the average hobbyist has at hand. And no, screwdrivers are not safe in this case.

>>12704835
my apologies I thought you were talking about CRT TVs

>>12704531
at the end of the day the reality is that they are worth whatever someone is willing to pay. my point is just that the post is misleading. Those aren't gonna sell for 10 or 20 bucks.

>>12704937
CRT is even harder to spot because the tube itself is the high voltage cap.

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>>12704835
>a huge resistor (one of the white squared ones) to bleed these caps. Its not a part the average hobbyist has at hand.
Really? People wouldn't have power resistors lying around?
Or like, how much power are you thinking?

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Dump rescue anon here with another update. Went to the recycling center again and saw a full pallet of 4x 21" Hitachi CRT monitors and 2x 20" Symphonic TVs. Unfortunately they were already wrapped in plastic for transport so I couldn't save them. On the side of the pallet was this 32" sanyo ds32224 flat CRT with component input so I grabbed that. Fortunately it doesn't weigh that much maybe 100 lbs. It does not power on so I'll have to troubleshoot that.

>>12704597
hey I just realized I need a remote. will any universal remote do, or do I have to find one for older tvs?

>>12705496
universal is usually fine, but if you want to access service menu adjustments sometimes you need the original remote to get into it. I think this particular model you can do it with a generic remote