Why do we need recomps and FPGAs for N64 shit which runs perfectly fine on emulators when DS emulation is still a dogshit experience that could warrant dedicated new hardware and/or PC native ports?
>>12681027Since when is DS emulation bad?
>>12681027the DS isnt retroTrans women are women
>>12681027if they were making ds ports you'd still call them faggots and find something to bitch about
I wish the popular DS games would get single screen hacks, like NSMB and pokemon.The majority of people playing these games in the future will be emulating them on a single screen.
>>126810271. The N-Shitty-Four hardware has multiple bottlenecks for no reason that we dont' need anymore. 2. Multiple N-Shitty-Four games are very poorly coded and held together with clue.DK64 being one of the worst examples and one badly needing a recomp. It's like some 6 fps per second chugging along on original hardware. Out of all the N64 games, it should have been outright cancelled and pushed to the 'Cube. It was so bad, and turned people off so much, it utterly killed the DK series for almost a decade AND killed the "Collect-a-thon" style of gameplay.
DK64 is like the platonic form of the public's understanding of what N64 game is like. It's blurry, it has low frame rate, it has god awful textures, it has horrible fog and draw distances. Remember also that decomp/recomp means that you have an easier time accessing the game's data and manipulating it. So someone could make a remix of the game, or a full blown sequel that refines the gameplay removing all the shit.
>>12681248>>12681252I dont like DK64 and the N64 anymore
>>12681248>>12681252DK64's fundamental flaw is that it tried to copy Zelda or Metroid's item based progression but just ended up with a series of boring lock and key situations.>what if DK had a gun to fight enemies and hit far away things like switchesCool>what if all 5 characters had guns that they used to hit switches with their specific logosLame
Schizo ramblings about DK64 aren't valid opinions. This thread sucks
>>12681027all N64 emulation introduces extra input laga well made recomp does not
>>12681248I never even played it, but also never owned an N64. I played them quite a bit a friends houses but I don't remember anyone having this at all. Diddy kong racing was fuckin fun tho.
>>12681252Best I can do is restore the scrapped 'Stop N' Swop' function with the ice key from Banjo-Kazooie, mate.
>>12681252>DK64 is like the platonic form of the public's understanding of what N64 game is like.What the fuck does this mean? I've read this sentence three times and can't figure it out. also thats not what the donkey Kong 64 looks like I'm playing it right now. And really ??? This is a 99 game when they got better ways of clipping textures and advanced compression techniques everything on n64 is blurry? Everything
>>12683610Plato's theory of forms holds that for every object and concept, there's a form - a perfect version of it. Every apple in the real world is an imperfect apple based on the idealized form of an apple.Ask the public what N64 games were like, and you get a litany of complaints about low frame rate, boring collectathon gameplay to pad it out, stupid mascots for kids, poor textures, etc. Thus, DK64 is akin to the platonic form of N64 games.
>>12681053both of those statements are wrong
>>12683632plato was a fucking retard.
>>12681027Recompile (decompile, really) is about being able to use native hardware quirks as well as modding and other things. The most obvious is recompile to port to dreamcast.Consider a weaker handheld that may struggle with a N64 emulator, it might play a recompile for its hardware. This is exactly what happens with the dreamcast ports, they can't run a N64 emulator, but can play a recompiled "n64 game".You're not the target audience.
>>12681027dk64 on dreamcast? when?>>12681053>the DS isnt retroIs a 22yo console. Is older than you, zoomie.
>>12681248DK64 recompiled back to N64 with improvements would be interesting. I saw some videos about the SM64 optimizations for better looking models and animations and general frame rate improvements.
What an incredibly retarded thread, and the schizo going with that "platonic" bullshit (which DK64 is not part) is the biggest clown here.
>>12681027>Why do we need recomps and FPGAs for N64 shit which runs perfectly fine on emulators1. FPGAs are emulators, they're just lower-latency than software emulation2. Native ports (recomps) are also lower-latency than software emulation, plus they are easier to modify and make a great experience on PC hardware (e.g. mouse support)
DK64 is one of the most notoriously poorly emulated games because of how much shit is jury-rigged to the framerate and how fast the game is running. Stuff like vine swinging breaks and some of the minigames become nearly impossible. Even on real hardware shit in the game gets broken like the heart inside the mechanical fish that runs too slowly if you have the sniper scope upgrade. I wonder how a recomp would even effect stuff like that
>>12681053Shut up Tranny Smith
>>12681248Tranny, you never played watched and clank.
>>12683729>>12683726But the most important question is, can we port it to the Saturn?
Because emulation is a pain in the fucking ass to deal with that requires you tweak a billion fucking variables written in esoteric nerdspeak by basement dwelling retards that think anyone is going to use them for ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL EVER besides playing a fucking videogame.Meanwhile with a recomp:>start the programThat's it. You are done. Enjoy actually playing a fucking videogame instead of spending 7 years doing the equivalent of IT tech support without pay.
>>12683754the trailer mentioned they made the minigames and events that rely on console lag to behave properly at higher framerates, it's still being worked on as cutscenes have some glitches.https://youtu.be/RYIZZZ33vAIhttps://youtu.be/ScKzk5hVVFk
>>12683780you sound like you haven't used an emulator since 2009they're so easy to use now that a complete retard can do it
>>12683840Guess I must be an ultra retard then because I can't figure this shit out
>>12683847is that parasite eve? i dont know how the english version looks but change the aspect ratio or shader
>>12683632>Ask the public what N64 games were like, and you get a litany of complaints about low frame rate, boring collectathon gameplay to pad it out, stupid mascots for kids, poor textures, etc. No no no it's the neo maxie zoom dweebies of the internet that have that opinion. This system was universally acclaimed. Like evangelists dominating the tv waves in the eighties the snobs took over the conversation online. And also hey, question for you: if you hate the " low frame rate, collectathon gameplay, stupid mascots and poor textures... Then why the fuck are you here? Why did you enter this thread about a thing you don't like?
>>12683895the system was not universally acclaimed lolit had its fans but a legion of psx fanboys were quick to tell you it was gay kiddy shitjournos spent the first couple years of its life bemoaning the lack of killer appsit lost the console gentake your revisionist bullshit elsewhere
>>12681027it's cheaper to buy a dsi and hack it than a theoretical dedicated hardware to emulate ds
>>12683895>neo maxie zoom dweebiesBased Bender.
>>12683916No fuck you nerd, this LITERAL cuckold, shoemaker Joe and Lauren fielder and especially next generation magazine were the only criticism it got. The games on the system were so good it didn't matter that there weren't that many. It has some of the highest metacritic scores. Everyone will at least tell you the narrative shifted after the internet and you're not saying that.
>>12683632I get what you're saying, sorry that the midwits can't appreciate something basic as a "platonic form"
>>12683924Anbernic RGDS isn't theoretical, but also not inexpensive and pretty flawed.
>>12681027N64 recomps have advantages over emulation, like being able to handle trilinear filtering more reliably, use RT64 to do smooth framerate interpolation, running code natively, fine-tuning, dynamic resolution, reduced performance overhead.There's a bunch of things the N64 does that's pretty expensive in emulation, and hard to fix otherwise.Plus it makes for a nice modding framework, and you can go the extra mile and do raytracing and shit.You can modernise control schemes to work for standard X-Input controllers too, though the C-buttons still make controller mapping on a per-game basis tricky to this day, due to how some games use it like a 6-button controller, but many games use it for camera control or a secondary directional button set (like Mischief Makers).The trilinear or three-point texture filtering, an often cited example of why it matters is the side of the stair case in Kakariko Village, since they take advantage of it to display a smooth angled texture.If you play attention to the HUD though, you can see that the button label text is specifically designed around the triangular filtering, as well as the inventory icons being angled diagonally to look smoother.
>>12684035you weren't there. playstation owners outnumbered n64 owners by an integer multiple and they talked shit about it all the time. it was not in any way "universally acclaimed"
>>12681248DK64 feels like a bad knockoff of BK, down to stuff like how NPCs (like the apple worm) look, but was actually made by Rare themselves.
>>12682789>all N64 emulation introduces extra input lagwhen are they going to recomp a good game like beetle adventure racing
>>12684139>there were more brown people than white people Ok? That isn't a flex.
>>12681248why do people play like this.... the way i play it i enter a level with anyone that isnt chunky and get a way of the land. do as much as i can with 1 kong and then switch. in this example im switching to tiny and staying tiny for like the next hour then. chunky is slow as shit and should be reserved for clean up shit. if thats the path to the apple worm theres a dk barrel right to the side.
>>12681027DK64 was such a shit game I'm amazed anyone would take the time to decomp it.
>>12681027imagine telling the guy doing a recomp to stop caring about his game and care about your game instead.
this thread isn't about dk64 you retards. Custom Robo decomps when?
preemptive recompiling emulation framework>kill JIT interpreters, behead JIT interpreters, kick pregnant JIT interpreters in the stomach, roundhouse kick a JIT interpreter into the trash etc. etc.>same goes for JIT dynamic recompiling
>ds Not retro >>>/v/
I like recomps since I can play tomb raider in 3d on my 3ds and put mario 64 on my friends ps2.
>>12687265Yes, yes (you) are.
>>12687481Your pc bro?
>>12681252Press the R button.
>>12684081> RT64Too bad that whole ecosystem is maintained by luddite trannies.The reason we don't have things like save states and their performance is worse than it needs to be is because they did shit like code all memory into a flat array and didn't bother with basic shit like registers.
