>>12692613
Long before AI was a thing, fan translator's were always involved in drama and being petty bitches.

Calling dibs on things they won't work on for years, throwing a hissyfit if anyone else starts working on it etc. So "AI" didn't kill anything, this is yet another case in a long line of bitch boy spergs throwing tantrums.

>>12692613
>so
Retards start paragraphs this way.

>led the guy to give up
Well he shouldn't have done that if the game is any good. And if it's not then we shouldn't care very much. Either way it's not the fault of whatever allegedly bad thing some retarded, allegedly human memeclot has robotically begun calling "slop" because the word "bad" just isn't good enough for people who want to constantly show the world how cool they are.

>a game he have no desire to even playtest it
You are not one to be insulting anybody's translation to English.

>>12692632
FPBP

>Giving up on proving that you can do it better after someone else does it badly

Are they that afraid everyone could find out their better job isn't that much better?

>>12692613
Shit or get off the pot. We've been waiting decades to play some of these games. Some people even learned Japanese just to play these games.

>>12692635
certified /g/eet sloppa post

>>12692632
am okay for waiting years for a proper fan translation to drop, no one wants to be stuck with AI slop trannyslation and no it's not ''temporary'' as you mentioned ''calling dibs on things'' is what fan translators live for, they won't touch a game tainted by AI slop

>>12692645
>We've been waiting decades to play some of these games.
have you ever played an AI translated game? the text is literal gibberish, worse than ESL turd world comments on youtube

>>12692667
AI translations are fine if a human goes over them.
Frankly AI being used like this is the best case scenario instead of waiting indefinitely for translations that will never come out and no one will pick up the torch for because it was never officially dropped despite being on hiatus for 10+ years.
Just look at what happened with the Tales of games with Life Bottle Productions, that's what we really need, more open source translations that use AI as a base and then make human edits to it, with people freely being able to chip in.

>>12692613
genki/taekim

>>12692613
or you could just stop being bitchmade and finish your TL.

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>release zero-effort sludgelation patch
>romhacking sites tell you to fuck off
Love to see it.

>>12692759
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7631/

Huh? It's right here.

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>>12692613
Man I hate the way AI makes it so easy to give up on things. It's like there's a constant voice in the back of your head now telling you that you'll never be as fast or learn or know as much, so why even bother. It's like the mere knowledge of its existence has stripped a huge part of our will and spirit away.

>>12692798
You're half right.

AI has gotten rid of the surface level people. True artists will pursue their art regardless for the love of the game. But what we saw with the internet for the past 30~ years where every Tom, Dick and Harry was uploading art or music or indie games etc. were people who only ever cared about the accolades and the benefits. "Oh I'd do art but I need to make a living from it" "Oh I'd make a game but I need 5000 people to fund it". They want the celebrity status and praise and money, the art is just a tool for them. So good riddance.

>>12692814
I mostly agree, but even as someone who's been a musician and a writer for most of my life I'm still trying to get past it.
But honestly the worst part of it is knowing that anything I create will never be seen or head by others because there's just so much slop out there you're not going to be seen even if what you made is great. I'll keep playing music and writing but it just sucks, man.

>>12692837
It won't be seen because there's too much slop in general, even before AI. You can't just make things because you need a large number of people to see it. You make things because it's fun.

>>12692837
>there's just so much slop out there you're not going to be seen
There's 8.3 billion people in the world right now, and another ~350,000 being born every day.
If you make something and pour your soul into it and put it out into the world for people to see, people will see it. It won't happen right away, but it will happen.
Every single artist throughout history, all the way back to the guys painting elk on cave walls, has worried about the same thing you're worried about. Most of them would kill for the opportunities we have.
Give it time, and strive to express yourself as passionately and powerfully as you can, and you'll be surprised how many people will care, and how many lives you can make a little bit better.

>>12692613
If I remember correctly projects like tokimeki memorial had issues with the adding the new text into the game. Can we use AI to make the whole hacking process easier?

>>12692837
You are not a musician or a writer.

Let the slop flow!!

non genderized and without any political motivation translated content, big tits will be big tits, panty shots will be panty shots.

i say
let the ai translation slop flow!

>>12692613
Good. AI translations >>> ""fan""- """""translations""""

>>12692632
This, maybe some of the few games I'm actually interested in will finally get translated instead of some fag holding on to them for years demanding internet clout and donations.

>>12693018
LLMs are like having a redditor in your contacts

>>12692613
Shouldn't have taken that long, I'm glad the ai chad put them on their place, he should translate more games

>>12693018
>he thinks ai doesnt have inherent political bias

lmao

>>12692708
This is correct. Naturally, the main issue is most AI translators just throw it at the machine and post the results like a 4-yo pouring paint on paper and showing it to mommy and saying "LOOK WHAT I DID!" But if people actually put effort into it, the end result isn't horrible.
Case in point, I don't know moonrunes, but there was a time when GCCX episode translations were slowing down and I wanted more. So I used JP closed captions, an on-screen text recognition tool, google translate, deepl, and at times manually looking up individual characters to make sure I got the text correct. The end result was the Half-Assed Machine Translation subtitles for the World of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck episode of GCCX. People were generally happy with the results, no one complained about it being AI driven, and the official LocationScouts translation that came out later on was about 90% the same, with 5% being accuracy differences and the other 5% being wording choice differences. But it also took me months of spare time to translate every line of text using the tools and looking up on-screen text the tool failed to recognize. That's a lot more work than just throwing it at the AI and posting the results.

>>12692613
good, eop can have their slop, it's a modern day filter as far as im concerned

>>12692632
True.

>>12692632
Amen.

Unfortunate, but ultimately that's what being an EOP brings you.

>>12692635
>Well he shouldn't have done that if the game is any good
Wouldn't* have done that if he cared about the game at all*. Anybody who gives up on something like this is just saying they don't care enough. Like that fucking faggot who was trying to fix Dark Souls 2 way back and gave up because
>I CAN'T TAKE THE PRESSURE BAWWWW

>>12692651
There's so many retranslations for old games that had meme scripts, don't see how doing that for AI translations is any different. And it's probably easier to fix and AI translation that to translate from scratch anyway.
>AI slop trannyslation
Buzzword salad. Aren't trannies the localizers that AI translations were supposed to replace?

>>12692613
Sounds like the guy who gave up on it is a whiny baby bitch boy faggot.

>>12693167
/thread

Every anti-AI zealot I've ever met was a literal BlueSky-using troon, so I'm glad AI makes them seethe.

>>12693171
I’m not giving money to Elon Musk.

Non /vr/ discussion going on right now,like retro games?

>>12693173
>I'm not giving money to only billionaire who doesn't hate white people
Cringe lumpenprole nonsense

The Elon cum-slurpers are here, this thread is already dead

>>12693165
You seethe and mass report every thread.
You genuinely have a diagnosable condition.

Were not interested in waiting 30 fucking years for your mediocre translation of a mediocre game. You don't even play games.

>>12693181
its a translation thread in modern day
it never had a chance

>>12692651
>no it's not ''temporary'' as you mentioned ''calling dibs on things'' is what fan translators live for, they won't touch a game tainted by AI slop
ego will always be the currency of fan projects, but that doesn't stop there being 3-4 groups working on the same anime, why are games treated so differently?

>>12693181
>Nooooo r_dd_t!!! The people who we can't win arguments are here! Time to whinge!

I believe we should eat the rich. Starting with Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Michael Dell, Steve Ballmer, Miriam Adelson, Len Blavatnik, George Soros, Carl Icahn, Sheldon Adelson, Roman Abramovich, Mikhail Fridman, Daniel Gilbert, Dustin Moskovitz


You meanwhile, seem to only hate the 1 white billionaire. How odd.

>>12692613
>some faggot dropped an AI slop english patch which led to the guy who was working on the project to give up

sounds like the dropper is just lazy n a massive faggotron.

that said we already had a few trannie translators posting fake translations for their fake projects, where they just made up bullshit dialog and plox for the games they were "translating". got exposed quickly by 5 4chins people here who can actually read nipponese.

>>12693173
i wont either. but i do trust AI more than trannie translators like byuu who did Der Langrisser.

>>12693179
If you weren’t thriving before under that so strict boo-hoo oppression that you thought you were under then you’re probably not as superior as you think you are.

Sounds like he was a faggot who would never had finish it anyway. Just like cyberfaggot X who kept saying Princess Crown would have been done before he just gave up.

You dolts place way too much faith in these morons. If a single AI patch was enough to get them to quit then they never cared about the game at all. They just wanted backpats. And before AI there was MTL patches and nobody quit over those

>>12692613
Fan translators could just not be attentionwhore faggots and keep working on things instead. Having multiple translations of something is normal in books, there's no reason to not have it be the same for other media.

>>12692651
ywnbaw

>>12692651
>they won't touch a game tainted by AI slop
What's your logic here then

>This game should have a REAL fan translation
>also this game will never be touched again because of AI slop
Which one is it. Because even before AI there are so absolutely god awful translations that were never redone because people already played it via that translation (something like NxC for example)

>>12693250
its normal even in officially released games, imagine dropping a project you were doing for free because someone else did it first

>>12693259
*some

>>12693240
To be fair. What other reason is there to do years of work for free, translating a game, besides getting backpats from other nerds? The satisfaction of wasting your time?
I kinda get it, even if it's a bit pathetic.

>>12692613
I sure love when hot button political topics allow me to self-righteously shirk claimed responsibilities. I'm not just another lazy faggot who realized he didn't have the willpower to see a project through, I'm protesting an unjust world, man.

>>12693265
I agree that clout is a motivator and doing fan translation for games is basically an ego boost since you can't make money (unless you're shameless like Hilltop) but even back like 10 something years ago some people just did it for the love of the game. Now every faggot wants their fan translation to stand for some dumb virtue single doesn't even have to be AI related anymore

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it seems like ai was a very useful tool in this situation and it was able to cut down hundreds of hours of translating into only a few hours. let's hope it keeps improving as a useful tool

>>12692613
anyone who looks at that cover art and actually wants to play the game associated with it obviously has no taste and deserves AI slop

>>12692613
OP if i could find you i'd cut your head off and slice the lips off your mouth and shove them down your windpipe

>>12693301
Truth nuke, literally shovelware tier cover art if anything AI slop is too good for it

Why can't these people ever pick the games people were actually asking for

>>12693265
The word "fan" in fan translation used to mean something

>>12692632
FPBP. Fan translators are the whiniest faggots in the fangaming community and that's saying a lot.

>>12693301
>>12693309
westoids are so fucking dumb it hurts

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learn japanese and skip all of this retardation
if youre willing to wait for years for a translation you have time to learn japanese

>>12693320
Westen website

>>12693324
based on a japanese website, with a japanese name with a mascot from a japanese manga with half the boards dedicated to discussion of japanese culture.

>>12693321
This

Just learn fucking Japanese if the AI is scaring you. Hell you'll even learn a life skill. Better than just sitting at your pc being the literal meme of "old man yells at cloud"

>>12693315
Sure, but I think there's a world of difference between being like "wow, cool a fan translated this and now I can play it" to "what a whiny faggot, fake fan, he doesn't want to work for free".
It's nice when it happens, but shouldn't be expected.

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>>12693103
I hear you. The problem is that people aren't ready for these tools. Most of the people using them are unskilled and don't know to use them effectively, and grew up in the "engagement" phase of the internet. Couple that with the threshold being lower than ever, and you have a recipe for disaster. Young people think this is the fast-track to getting an industry job in Japan, or promoting their socials for connections. It's really disgusting when you factor we're now having D-list companies who'd "offcialize" fan-translations out of sheer laziness, giving them something to fight over. There's no love for the game anymore - people who love their game instead of viewing it as notch on their belt would go back to school to get it right. Art is the human experience, after all; if you're an artist, you put your soul into it, not ask a machine a brazillion questions.
>>12693293
OR just use AI for real-time emulation instead of immortalizing an awful piece of junk that'll be dated in the AI's next version update.

>>12693338
Real-time translation will always be shit by the mere fact that it only has the context of the line currently on screen and nothing else. So it'll never keep terminology or character voices consistent.
If AI makes translations patches easy, it will also make it easy to release updates when the model gets better.

>>12693346
>If AI makes translations patches easy, it will also make it easy to release updates when the model gets better.
And how is the repro community supposed to respond to this?

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>>12692613
Okay, totally-not-the-fantranslator, but instead of complaining about it and Phil-Fishing your way out, why don't you just release what you currently have and hope something better than the sum of your parts comes along? This is a dead IP, so you have nothing to lose.

>>12693209
I am doing well. What's not doing well, is every city that's being taken over by 3rd world parasites.

projecting faggot

>>12692613
>which led to the guy who was working on the project to give up
kek what a bitch
fan translation projects have almost always been slathered in drama, so this is really just a big nothingburger. another day in the community.

>AI Slop kills a fan tranlsation project

zettai yurusenai...

zettai yurusenai...

>>12692759
Good Ending
>>12692765
Bad Ending

>>12693393
Bad > good

>>12693393
Those aren't the same site, right?

>>12693402
no

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>>12693179
>imports a gazillion indians
>but he loves white people!
millennials are fucking retarded, it is so funny this is the same generation calling zoomers dumb but blatantly gives idol worship to a billionaire who is replacing white people both ethnically and within the job market.

>>12692759
I never understood this pointless restriction now all because the companing morons on bluesky keep asking for it

>YEAH WE'LL HOST IT BUT ONLY SO IT CAN BE REDONE BY HUMAN (nobody will ever do it btw)
>SO YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD IT EVER UNLESS WE APPROVE OF IT
Forcing restrictions just to please a minority that isn't even gonna touch the project ever is a level of stupid I don't think I can comprehend especially when places like spike's exist that will host it anyway. Just let the people decide what they want to do instead of forcing shit on them

Translators drama was always a liability, I'm glad AI is taking care of that. No one wants to deal with attention whores taking games hostages

>>12693406
..OK, which altsite is >>12692759?

>>12693421
romhack.ing (yes that's how it's spelled)

Spin off made when nightcrawl had his crash out at RDHN and the stie stopped accepted updated before he stepped down and someone else took over has like 99 percent of the same content outside of a few exceptions

>>12693426
*accepting

>>12693426
>RDHN
>rom.hackingnet

Anti ai snails bitch about shitty translation.
Don't post a single example of said "bad translation".
Every single time.

>>12693432
>people bitch that shit stinks
>don't provide a single example of said "stink"
>every single time
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

>>12693438
AI translation is not automatically shit however, its quite competent most of the time.

>>12693438
Everyone thinks their own shit doesn't smell tho

>>12692632
absolute fact

Aeon Genesis can suck a dick for sitting on translating "SMT: If..." until someone else started his own translation of it.

>>12693453
Tell me more about this other translation.

>>12693458
It doesn't exist because AG released his translation after years of silence on the project right when people finally decided to make their own thinking he abandoned it.

>>12693458
It doesn't exist because Gideon got assblasted over the idea of someone else working on SMTIF and finally released his version out of spite to the other team (all while bitching at SMTfags)

>>12693438
The average AI translation is better than the average fan translation though.

>>12692632
All i want is Claude translating Brightis and porting Battletech from pc98 and x68k to pc using the og DOS text

Motherfucker can reverse engineer wing commander 3 windows, and 3.1 games now.

>>12693438
Equates AI translation with shit yet his favorite translator used ai called google translate.
Every single time.

>>12693462
>>12693467
Did they show any progress on it, or did they just announce it? I just want to know if it actually looked any good or if it was looking like a rush-job.

Someone needs to start working on a SRW Alpha translation so it lights a fire under Gideon's ass.

>>12693487
This, come on AI chads fuck over every Gideon project

>>12693485
It was announced. It was the PS1 version and had a bit of tiny progress made

The problem is more Gideon being a drama fag (threatening to stop updating if because of muh harassment, or how when someone fixed the long standing bugs his SMT1 patched using his own coding, caused he threw a hissy fit and said he would never release his SMT2 toolset and that people will just have to deal with until he feels like fixing it himself)

>>12693152
>Like that fucking faggot who was trying to fix Dark Souls 2
what's there to fix? the game is perfect

>>12693510
Okay he's a control freak then, no wonder he's a divisive figure. I get not releasing the tools until after you're done with your project, but not doing it at all for that reason is just plain vindictive. Still, I didn't hear about anything particularly wrong with the "If" project other than this...
By the way, whatever happened to the rival SplatterWorld translation?

Everyone gets so heated about this.
It’s just a fan translation, do it or don’t, there doesn’t have to be a community with dibs and ego wrangling.
I don’t care, both make mistakes. Japanese is really nuanced and with AI things like idioms might come off as normal statements, or the emotional emphasis of a statement might be off, changing the tone of a scene. Sometimes a word or kanji has several different meanings and it picks the one it thinks seems right, but with weird esoteric RPG text it probably gets it wrong sometimes.
Human translators make mistakes too and take little liberties sometimes.
The translation “community” a real shitshow but amusing to watch.

>>12693534
That's on me for choosing my words poorly. Ten fucking years ago or so some guy was adding real lighting (like that popular mod of recent discourse) as well as sprucing up the environments. Dude made huge ways, then the updates got sporadic, and then he would bitch about the pressure, and then poof he gave up. When people do that, it just means that they didn't care enough to finish what they started. This faggot in question in the OP is the same
>BAWWWW AI FINISHED IT FINE FORGET IT THEN

>>12692708
This is incorrect. If the human can already read enough japanese to check the entire translation then he doesnt need ai in the first place. If he cant then he has no business going over it at all.

>>12693565
You don't need to know moonrunes in order to understand and fix AI translations. If something doesn't make sense, you look into it, look up meanings, and fix it to make sense.

>>12692613
If his translation was better than the AI one there would be no reason to stop. Plenty of games received multiple translations.

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>>12692613
>so there was an ongoing fan translation project for this game
by whom
since when

I'm suspecting OP is a lying faggot wanting to spread low quality pro-AI propaganda. If that's so, them I'm brapping this thread, with no survivors.
*BRRRRRRRAAAAPPPPP*

>>12693632
Was this also a part of your plan?

>>12692632
This. Even /vr/ has at least one faggot bringing trannylation drama over here

>>12692632
FPBP.
Also beggars can't be choosers; crying about something you COULD have gotten for free, just because you got something worse for free, is pathetic.

I'm calling it, OP just made up this shit since there's no source and it's taking advantage of the fact that most of 4chan's userbase is braindead.

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>>12693604
>>12693735
https://www.timeextension.com/news/2026/07/this-whole-thing-has-just-been-a-slap-to-my-face-dreamcast-rpg-tricolore-crise-just-got-an-ai-fan-patch-and-people-arent-happy
Though maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the part in OP where the non-AI translator gave up. If anything, Yuvi seems more determined?

>>12693768
So OP in fact a lying faggot.

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>>12693768
>from the drama queens known for dibsfagging

>>12693768
>time extension
lol

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>>12693782
I mean we can still have a discussion but yeah.
>>12692613

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>>12693768
>that flag
lmao, of course

>>12693768
>Time extension
Lmao of course it's the AI spook ops posting while being bought by fucking IGN

that said, Yuvi is kinda of a faggot along the lines of gideon, I remember some guy released a patch for the PC98 Madō games (wasn't ai) it was a small patch because he was a streamer and he complained about how they didn't tell him first. Lol? why the fuck should anyone go to you for permission faggot?

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>>12693805
I don't like AI but I make an exception if it forces all trannies out of jobs.

>>12693768
>If anything, Yuvi seems more determined?
Good. That's what you should do. Imagine how pathetic you have to be to slop something together just because "tee-hee, I don't Japanee, but all the subsequent addendums this no doubt will spawn will have NO CHOICE but to credit ME!" What bloodsuckers.
>>12693807
>why the fuck should anyone go to you for permission faggot?
Yeah that's silly too, like I can imagine being miffed if they were careless but unless they're using his work without credit then he can't really do much, the pirate-adjacent are just going to do whatever the fuck they feel like anyway, it's like getting mad at an animal.

>>12692613
Oh well, they should let someone else take the reins by uploading their existing script and source code to GitHub or GitLab, licensed under GPL.

Ideally the project would be set up in a way where it's trivial to insert your own script.

>>12692613

>Guy quit because other people work faster.

Why doesn't he just slop out the rest of his translation using his script and the Japanese as context instead of being a baby?

so it was a vanity project? Why give a fuck about the aislop translation when all it does is impact your SEO on a translation you can't profit from

>>12693103

>That's a lot more work than just throwing it at the AI and posting the results.

How do you know? How many AI game translations have you done?

Also are there any particularly egregiously bad AI translations in the past year that you can point to?

I understand they have been bad in the past but context window size has grown and the average person can feed ai an entire novel as a single prompt for a few bucks. Which should be more accurate than feeding ocrs or 2023 AIs a single paragraph here and there.

>>12693569
The problem is where it makes sense but is still wrong.

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all of this just seems like a proofreading and qc thing which were always problems in translations anyway, outside of blatant changes for whatever some fag is feeling at the time. The only real difference is the speed that the rough drafts are being churned out and complacency I guess. The assumption that others will fix it while still wanting "credit" is kinda bullshit behavior but that doesn't really matter in the big picture

It’s surprising how a few months ago, everybody was shitting on Segagaga for being AI translated but now we’re defending AI translations?

>>12693893
>everybody
Trannies are not everybody. Also even the people behind Segagaga patch said anyone is free to tackle it if they want to

Also even the director of the game himself is an AIfag

>>12693893
The same people defending that trash are defending this. Don't act like this behavior came up out of nowhere faggot.

>>12692632
There's nothing stopping them from still doing their own translations. But being second gets less attention

>>12693904
>But being second gets less attention
That's an old ass myth people will always gravitate to a better translation if it genuinely is better than the orginal one

>>12693904
who the fuck translates for attention? I always thought the goal was to get people to play, understand, and enjoy a game. If they just want attention then they can shove dildos up their butts on camera

>>12692667
I think you're confusing AI-translated with machine translated. NTA but I tried playing Taimanin Asagi with a machine translation before (because I was stuck with it and there weren't better options at the time), and it was so bad that the whole vibe of the game was ruined and I dropped it. The AI translations I've seen here or there will be inaccurate sometimes, but hardly "literal gibberish" like what I got out of reading a machine translation years ago.

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>>12693910
>who the fuck translates for attention?

>>12693918
zoomers mindbroke you, we get it already.

>>12693893
lying faggot

>>12692632
AI translation is often better than shitty ego-driven translators "localizing" things and changing the meaning or throwing in endless eyeball-kicks to make the dialogue more 'impactful'.

>>12693103
Additionally, in literally the last year, translation AIs have gotten a LOT better, to the point that they're actually usable. You still have to watch their outputs like a hawk, and translate every individual character by itself to make sure it's getting the meaning right. You also do need to know some Japanese in order to verify it, but if you're smart about how you use it you can definitely achieve good results.

>>12693893
I'm not even convinced Segagaga's translation was AI, not that it matters to the bandwagoners.

>>12693918
Most fan translators. The good ones just want to see the game in English. But most of them want to do it to show off and put too much of their own bullshit in it.

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>>12693957
>You still have to watch their outputs like a hawk, and translate every individual character by itself to make sure it's getting the meaning right.
In other words, you have to tardwrangle the AI. No thanks.

>>12693864
>other people work faster.
there is no work involving ''people'' in AI slop trannyslation

>>12693768
>to slop something together
>slop
kek this the symptoms of AIDS (AI Derangement Syndrome)

>>12694137
>AI slop trannyslation
ironic, trannies are the one who hate AI

>>12692613
It didn't kill shit, I fucking hate developers. Make the thing or shut the fuck up, no I don't need progress updates or to know about your personal life. Make the fucking translation or don't. This attention seeking faggot would drag this translation for a game only 7 people care about for another decade before even releasing a beta. I do not care about the amount of work or effort needed to do this. Either release a translation or don't.

>>12694137
Trannies hate AI tho normal people are annoyed by it but don't care unless it genuinely affects them

>>12694140
it's the other way around
trannies are fake just like AI slop, if you hate AI slop you are deemed a bigoted close minded technology hating anti-science chud

>>12694141
>no I don't need progress updates or to know about your personal life
You don't, but wannabe hijackers do.

>>12692613
>Faggot OP said trannylator gave up
>>12693768
>Turns out he didn't give up
>>12693805
>Turns out to be an actual tranny on bluesky anyway
High quality /vr/ thread.
>>12694157
>if you hate AI slop you are deemed a bigoted close minded technology hating anti-science chud
This is the biggest lie I've read on this board in a while. AI seething is the anti-nuclear position of today. If you like AI you are deemed a bigot by leftists that want to put creatives out of their job and have no respect for copy right (lmao) and want to destroy the environment.

>>12694368
>>Turns out to be an actual tranny on bluesky anyway
that's no him you retarded faggot
this is the translator >>12693802
but alas you can't read, ask your precious AI slop to read on your behalf next time

>>12692613
Good, I’d rather use AI translations over leftoid troonlators who will change dialogue because it offends their (evil) worldview

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>>12694143
>Trannies hate AI tho
Not tech trannies. And there are a lot of tech trannies (they regularly invade /pol/ with spam bait threads like "why do leftists hate AI?" from /g/ and the incessant AI shitspam on /g/ is almost all tranime catgirls)

>>12694395
He uses bluesky and is automatically a tranny.
>ask your precious AI slop to read on your behalf next time
I will ask it to translate everything so that fan translators that take years to make a localized version of some niche kusoge mad.

>>12694406
Tech trannies that make shitty /pol/ spam threads from /g/ are so few and far in-between that they are practically on the verge of extinction (they'll kill themselves anyway). Meanwhile the regular tranny infestation which is like 99% of them of them do not like AI in anyway.

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>>12693814
>"tee-hee, I don't Japanee, but all the subsequent addendums this no doubt will spawn will have NO CHOICE but to credit ME!"
It's something I struggle to understand myself, but it's an attitude that's prevalent in hacking circles. Take this guy for instance, highlighted portion relevant. He uses the fact that the people who made addendums/forks of his hack later assisted him (except that person who dared dream too big!) as..a selling point for his hack. Somehow. But think about it for more than two seconds, and you have to wonder why all these people made their own versions to begin with. To be blunt, it's because they believe he's an imbecile who shouldn't have the last word on the game, and they want to use his work as a baseline for something better. Isn't that necessarily a condemnation of him and his work? Why is the logic backwards for him? If his work is so great, why did it lead to a molotov-cocktail of offshoots and he felt the need to present himself as the 'base standard' when the original exists for that purpose and you can just cut out the middleman? Why didn't he prevent that by taking his time and releasing it when it was as good as it can be? So many things wrong, and his idea of "good" for his perpetually-unfinished hack is to petition streamers to play it over the original in order to promote his unrelated YouTube channel.

>>12694503
You are a prime schizo

>>12694517
It's almost the same mentality: feel proud of yourself that other people have to clean up after your mess (because they believe in getting something better out of the product, not in you). Normal people would be ashamed.

>>12692613
Ok but was the guy's handcrafted translation good or troonslated?

>>12694585
If he’s chimping out about translation software, he’s probably a leftoid troon or leftoid troon adjacent.

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>>12694143
>Trannies hate AI
slopfag here who's in the depths of the ai porn community, you are wrong.
and give it a few years and you'll even find the most vocal popular artfag changing tune.
Here's an excuse they'll definitely say if someone turns around and come out about it:
>oh i just locally gen my work anyways for experimenting purposes, ai still sucks btw

>>12694406
If they were transhumanist, they wouldn't be in support of post-op trannies who aren't waiting for something soientifically par of magical trannies.

>>12693426
Isn't that the site by the trannies who caused the drama in the first place?

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>>12693475
I just want a translation of Brandish 3
I can't really trust anyone anymore, not even the hardcore 4chan-adjacent toby fox fag who wants everyone to see the franchise Toby was playing on his stupid SNES.

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>>12693240
>You dolts place way too much faith in these morons
Tell the Mega Man fanbase that too

>>12693173
Yet you suckered into Dorsey's scams which he realized Bluesky was stupid idea made during political hysteria.

>>12693181
>if you don't use Twitter 2, you're a Elonfag!!
Bskyfags everyone, btw the people running your place are no different than the people you loathe on X. More easier to be suspended, it's Grok equivalent is coming, a fucking public blocklist, and pornfags still getting fucked by new nanny rules

AI translations just need more curators making sure the JP>EN is accurate and someone to keep a good eye on who's correcting everything and not slipping in some woosley slop in the sloplation.

>>12693081
What if he has Edge Gallery installed

>>12693768
>timeextension
It's sad what happened to them.
Fucking IGN.

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When you trust translators you’re playing a massive game of telephone where they can put random bullshit in games just because they feel like it.

AI translations that can understand context aren’t quite there, but I can see them getting there in the next five years.

>>12694598
Yeah, the one's that acted like the victims after they doxxed him and he rightfully got mad about it. He still has the better site. This shit's dying anyways, at some point like 98% of hacking projects will be on discord only outside of unauthorized uploads/mirrors.

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>>12694592
Most of the AIfags are SEAniggers running patreon scams for other third worlders. The average tranny is usually this.

>>12694617
>AI translations just need more curators making sure the JP>EN is accurate and someone to keep a good eye on who's correcting everything and not slipping in some woosley slop in the sloplation.
This is exactly what that Segagaga guy did and people didn't care, he made the wrongthink of releasing his AI assisted translation and everyone shits on him.

Why are they called "fan" translations when they're:

- not by fans, ai-user barely knows the game and does NOT know the game, but just in it for the drama, there's always a content creator or monetisation involved, and there's always a need to involve more actors in the story (a disgruntled translator who had the work sniped after a hint on social media, whose posts are more closely monitored than the actual hack and influence that hack more than any internal process, or some "scene gatekeepers" who refuse to refine that ai sludge

- not a translation concerned with accuracy, but a rewrite by an llm who wants the result to "make sense" and hide any inconsistencies (making it the worst work to actually edit for accuracy, the difference between a valid argument (which can be horribly wrong) and a sound argument)... but it's the ideal scam.

- has every single DEI guideline built into the very basic word choices made by the ai with its "guardrails". That's the baseline, anyone who wants anything with more authentic wording has to go out of their way to look out for specific problematic content (but the guardrails are never fully public so good luck with the list) but the subhumans who do these projects typically 1) hate READING (and many are EOPs/Actually Indians) 2) hate TRANSLATIOn (want to skip that process with ai) so that review will be limited to just "what doesn't make sense", but the AI will happily rewrite entire substories to make up fan canon for it to make sense, or delete it outright and gaslight any reviewer who asks, so the result, in their eyes, "is good enough" until someone else who actually played it disagrees. That someone will be either an anti-ai tranny whose feedback is used, or someone comfortable lower the standards enough to say "good enough".

- many games are actual slop with bad writing anyways. Lolcow localizers answer to this is "it's shit anyways so let's enshittify it further and shit at the audience" but ai-slop writing is just as bad

>>12694670
From what I remember, he basically just proofread the resulting English it churned out. How hard is it to get a Japanese translator for an anticipated game on board?

>>12694670
>Segagaga
Case in point, this.
This game, this particular pick out of anything else (a generic falcom rpg, a generic porn game, a schoolboy game with just kana) is the worst pick for an AI because it relies on contextual info not present on english datasets but gleaned from exposure to real life japan, a specific period of time, a specific subculture, even some obscure japs between nip devs that aren't the shit badly translated on HG101.
And it was very clear that project was just a clout-chasing scam by an unqualified poser, he even wanted the blessing of the original dev (who had to go online and post in english he can't endorse things he can't assess its quality and legality and that it limits his ability to support eventual official localizations. He even stopped posting about the game altogether.)
The translation was a scam, and the "editing process" was a scam where it was obvious no lick of japanese fluency was involved. The silver lining was the tool release but even that can be a poisonous blessing with how drama hungry the ai translation/recomp guys are.

>>12694679
>he basically just proofread the resulting English it churned out
He had an entire team of playtesters where they played through the game and then checked for any discrepancies for months, it's not like he shit out the entire script in LLM only and called it a day. Where were all the other faggots that had years to get started before this guy came along?
>>12694692
Kill yourself dumb schizo.

>>12694676
Nice rant, but I’m still using AI over discord grifting troons

>people talking about segagaga
the same project that got help from the guy maintaining "lost in localization" yeah, him reviewing and working on that project has more worth than anyone ITT, including the dumb OP acting like a dumbass.
https://github.com/ExxistanceDC/Segagaga-English-Translation

>>12694624
Sometimes you honestly can't understand the full context unless you directly ask a dev what they meant (if they even remember) which is something unofficial translations won't have, otherwise some degree of interpretation is needed anyway even if you're an AI. I predict we're in the middle of a massive transitional phase. AI translations will take over spaces traditionally inhabited by fan translations, while human-conventional translations will have to adapt or die. Most likely, human-made translations will become "indie" translations as companies like FAKKU Games endorse and reward them for not using machines, as the reputation of AI/MTL fails to rehabilitate and recover.
>>12694692
>it limits his ability to support eventual official localizations. He even stopped posting about the game altogether.
I think that's the real tragedy of the whole thing. No one is going to "fix" this because doing that means you limit the game's future. It'll probably be another AI with an updated model that makes something marginally better, all to generate discourse while the original dev's comments are conventiently memoryholed.
>>12694710
Playtesters who didn't know Japanese and glazed him for the English that they had no frame of reference for. You can be a good hacker and a crap translator, and vice versa.
>>12694729
Didn't Legends of Localization Jr. distance himself from it too?

>>12694692
>He even stopped posting about the game altogether
He still mentions the game, he is just busy working on his own games and he recently made a pixel art movie. Did anyone here actually buy Girl from Gunma Kei?

>>12694742
>Playtesters who didn't know Japanese and glazed him for the English that they had no frame of reference for. You can be a good hacker and a crap translator, and vice versa.
I have not seen a single instance of people who actually know Japanese why they say the translation is bad. People already made up their mind because of his use of AI, I swear that half of you faggots would've praised this hell and back had he omitted from mentioning this because none of you know what is AI-assisted example or not.

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>>12693432
>>12694753
Were you not here for the Langrisser shitshow? Most recent example in recent memory, shit was so bad I think it even got banned.

>>12694759
Yeah, Langrisser was a shitshow, but some people (including some "anons" here) view the Segagaga one in the same vein and quality, which is frankly extremely retarded.

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>>12694769
Fair.

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>>12692613
If real-world translators wanted any sympathy whatsoever, they shouldn't have acted like the biggest, most insufferable faggots imaginable for the past 30 years. I trust any AI model far more than I do a troon or a leftist and 99.99% of everyone else agrees with me.

>>12694783
>i trust the leftist ai models instead of the leftist translators
really makes you think

>>12694783
Nah,once you get to other language families machines get extremely fucky and you need at least basic knowledge to make sure it's right.

>>12694670
>AI assisted
There was no assisting. AI did the translation.

>>12694785
Yeah, as a matter of fact I do. At least the AI model can be reasoned with and won’t give me shit like >>12694624

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>>12692613
>expect more fan translation projects to die because someone will use AI to 'translate a game
Basado~

>>12694794
Ah, yes...Shit like the notorious fan-translation hacker-group known as Working Designs...

>>12694808
Sorry, did I specify fan translation hacker groups? Both pro and fan translators are equally faggots, as shown again and again in this thread. Being a petty bitch about it is exactly why nobody is giving your side any merit. AI won’t do that.

>>12694820
>merit
Tourist Zoomer Detected

>>12694824
set off the bot award

>>12694824
>the most basic as fuck english noun is "tourism" and "zoomer"
Favela idiot detected

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Why is this closedsockets turbofaggot such a spastic threadshitter?

>>12694639
>This shit's dying anyways, at some point like 98% of hacking projects will be on discord only outside of unauthorized uploads/mirrors.
That's the most ironic part of all the site drama too. Almost all newer translation projects will be just discord tier anyway

>>12692613
I’m at the point with japanese where I’m just playing the games, looking up words, and hoping I pick up more and more
I assume even if I’m missing things here and there it’ll still be more accurate than this shit

>>12694639
based. trannies lost again.

>>12694848
Because like most of his kind he is a sperg.

>>12694676
>- not by fans
most trannielords aren't fans either. i choose robots over trannies. simple ass.

>>12694368
Somehow you turned your brain off in the middle of this comment

>>12693864
speed is a terrible excuse also because there's a precedent in the anime fansub community where some groups raced to release first while others released a few days later but with better quality

which means the dude mentioned in the OP doesnt even have confidence in his own work

>>12692613
There's nothing you can do to stop AI. Stop fighting and accept.
THE GENIE'S OUT OF THE BOTTLE.

Game looks gay as hell. I don't play gay games.

>>12695095
resistance is futile my ass this is war

>>12692613
>>12692632
FPBP
Fan Translation is full of faggots that piss and whine their asses over anything.
When the faggot of gideon parked SMT...if and held it hostage until some random dude announced he was going to do his own patch. Suddenly days later he releases the patch.

>>12694861
The difference between trannylators and AI-users is that thr latter don't brag about enshittifying the translation, even if the result is built in the tranny-biased ai model, but they more than make up for it with their drama chasing and the scam artist way of life of trying to feed you the same pile of shit with differently colored packaging ("it's edited! It's playtested! someone vouched for it! another tranny complained and i pushed a hotfix just for that line in the viral tweet so there's no problem now!" and so on.)
It's the same shit as old machine translations but with less honor, lower quality standards and a general push for enshittification for other projects too

>>12694858
Playing the game in japanese will always be better than english no matter your skill. When a game gets translated it becomes something else and that something else contains baggage and nuance associated with the new lanaguage. When the characters on screen are speaking english the characters become different people and they associate differently in your mind. If an AI existed that perfectly translated a game into english with 100% accuracy it would still be inferior to just playing the game in its native language.

>>12695335
You will never be Japanese

>>12695339
not interested projector

Grrrrr, NO WE WONT USE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SPEED UP THE WORK PROCESS AND GET FAN TRANSLATIONS OUT FASTER BECAUSE THE TRANNYS ON BLUSKY SAID IT WAS BAD SO IT JUST IS!!!!

I'm ready for AI to replace a lot of these people in all the industries.

>>12695373
Follow your example and 41% yourself, obsessed faggot. AI sucks no matter how hard you seethe about it.

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>>12695373
I agree, I feel bad for people in ACTUAL industries getting displaced by AI, but discord grifting troons taking half a decade to translate one game and leftoid shartists making deviant art tier dogshit can shut down their patreons and take their asses to fast food for all I fucking care.

TIMES TO PUT THE FRIES IN THE BAG

>>12695457
AI and eventually robots are coming for everything bro including fast food. There's a lag with robots but there are versions getting good enough to at least start staff downsizing

>>12695467
And once again, I feel sorry for people with real jobs, but I got zero sympathy for discord grifters who take 5+ years to shit out one game that they butcher anyway

>>12692632
Damn right and I hope AI triggers every single retard out of this hobby

>>12695467
The only reason ai hasn't taken over the low skill labor market yet is because it's still easier to just hire a billion Indians to do it

>>12692613
I'm learning Japanese so this doesn't affect me.

>>12692632
>throwing a hissyfit if anyone else starts working on it etc

What are they gonna do, start issuing C&Ds over games they have no legal ownership of?

>>12695606
These people usually have a cult surrounding them, at the very least they'll bully the other guy into giving up because he doesn't wanna deal with them hassling him 24/7.

>>12695613
Yeah true, and I bet over half the "cult" are just his sockpuppet accounts. But that's why you work on the translation in secret then release it all once it's finished. Still, what a sad, lonely, miserable existence it must be to live your life so devoted to some whiny egotistical layabout manbaby who has no job and still lives at home yet somehow cannot get a single translation project out the door.

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>>12695596
>I'm learning Japanese so this doesn't affect me.

>>12695617
>But that's why you work on the translation in secret then release it all once it's finished.

How would they beg for donations then?

Hasn’t every decent game been translated already?

Like seriously, was anyone REALLY waiting for this obscure slop to finally come out in English? I’ve been on this board a decade and I’ve never seen the shit in OP get mentioned once before this thread.

>>12695690
Addendum: I will grant you visual novels and porn games which may be untranslated but other than that most of what’s worth playing has already been done.

>>12695690
>Hasn’t every decent game been translated already?
No, you are ad hoc rationalizing subconsciously to protect your ego. There are many things out there you do not understand you need to be more open to new things not dismissive.

>>12695690
I will forever be waiting for the jp rival schools translation with CaC and school sim

>>12695696
>>12695701
I’m willing to bet no one in this thread actually plays the game in the OP and this is all a cover to argue about AI vs trannies.

>>12695690
No

>>12695703
I never heard of this game before this thread and added it to my backlog but when I do play it ill be playing it in Japanese. I only enter these threads because they are the de-facto japanese generals so I get to talk about the language here.

>>12695690
>I’ve never seen the shit in OP get mentioned once before this thread.
Yeah because it's not in English.

>>12695690
This is an old cope excuse there will always be some good that nobody has ever even attempted to translate

>>12692613
Guess it's not "slop" is it if the functional utility destroyed the demand for the abandoned one. You fucking shitters can't even get your anti AI propaganda consistent. Is it "slop" or is it good enough to render the other one obselete? Pick a lane.

>>12695774
It can be both slop and enough to destroy demand for the other one. People are hogs.

>>12695703
It's not about this one game. Every anon has played some fan translated game, and most have games they hope to see translated. This affects all current and future projects.
I guess we'll have to just accept AI as the norm now that the crazies are sperging out about so much fan stuff. 15 years ago these people would develop a thicker skin before going online

>Literal who game
>Some other literal who decides to use it as a test
>Some other other literal who cries about it on bluesky
>Rinse, repeat
As far as I'm concerned all sides are fucking losers. Either learn Japanese or if you're a translator. Go full mask off and just demand money if they want a human translator again.

>>12695809
Shrodinger's slop. When it serves my anti AI propaganda it's worthless when I need a boogeyman it's taking my job and we need laws to ensure it can't compete with people. Your bullshit got called out directly. It's serviceable enough. That utter faggot is translating a rom not drawing the mona lisa. No one will lament they didn't get his 'masterpiece'.

>>12695839
What are you saying? No one will care and therefore the art shouldn't be respected?

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>hate Trannylations
>hate mtl since 90% of the time its done w/out any human input. Or if it is then its done by ESLs
>gets uploaded anyway
>b-but they gave you the tools! make your own :^)

>>12695880
This is basically the situation for normal people yeah.

>spend years non stop complaining and jerking off
>still haven't lost weight
>still haven't showered
>still haven't learned Japanese
I guess the only other option is to kill yourself huh

>>12695065
This was true maybe 20 years before Netflix, Amazon and Crunchyroll completely killed the scene and still release dogshit subs anyway.

>>12695949
>completely killed the scene
nah, there is a lot of tranime that never left Japan waiting to get fan subbed

>>12695961
Why do you talk like a retard?

>>12695962
>t. tranime fag
go back to r*ddit if you want a safe zone you queer

>G-G-G-GO TO RE-RE-REDDIT!
Pathetic, this is not your safe space, fag, retard-speak is not allowed here. And thanks for the (You).

>>12694359
Wannabe Hijackers either need to become hijackers and do the work or fuck off. Whoever does it first gets the street cred

>>12695667
By not being a hand-rubbing happy merchant.

>>12695880
>Trannylation is done by ESLs anyway
>Worse than even MTL

>>12693179
I hope he reads this, brother.

>>12692632
Best FPBP of all time.

>>12692798
thank god I'm a traditional mediums artist and not a digital artist. I wouldve 100% given the fuck up by now. Or just switch to genning images instead of actually making them myself.

>>12695872
The Japanese native version is it being respected though? Nothing is being "lost" or "tainted".

Garbage game with garbage fans
What a surprise

>>12693167
It's exactly this he was looking for a good excuse to drop the project and go back to riding dicks as his main hobby

>>12693103
>People were generally happy with the results
Because the only people who consume translations are retards to begin with.

15 years before you did that shit, back when I was just starting out with Japanese, I used fucking OCR and ATLAS to translate a CG set or two on sadpanda. The work was close to complete gibberish in places, but hey, I never got any complaints!

I would feel bad for OP, but at this point, if you're still expecting anything from translations, be they official or fan works, you are completely fucking retarded. If you had any actual interest, you'd just learn the language.

>>12696067
Translators work for e-peen. There's zero e-peen associated with retreading something that's already been "translated". 99% of people will play the first release.

Not a problem if you just learned Japanese and never interact with westoids.

>>12693893
>if I lie, it's the truth now!
Stop selective reading and hiding posts and you'll see it was split. No one is going to wait on their deathbed for a SINGLE GAME to be translated to english.

>>12692632
FPBP

>>12695962
Faggot. Why are you gay?

>>12695774
>>12695809
It's not about the demand, it's about the noise-to-information ratio.
There's also hiding AI use, scam practices like pretending any proofreading or quality control went on, and the need to have other projects with human collaborators to snipe, antagonize, compare to, demand they provide feedback to what's a zero-effort project, and other fun drama troll activities.
This was considered flooding the scene with poor quality romhacks. Slapping "AI" and demanding users accept a new status quo with lower quality, more drama, and more dishonest self-reporting on it won't make this suddenly okay.

The Segagaga project is emblematic of this because the proponents of the AI patch want the players to engage the game as a self-referential joke that missed its landing, as long as it's "playable" with "clear objectives" which is demanding the players and the game to adapt to the poor AI translation rather than the other way around. The entire premise demands you give a free pass for bad translations (and even any examples of subhuman behavior) just when AI is involved. It's like a cult.

>>12693920
How old are zoomers now? It escapes my my mind. Would you mind telling me, anon?