Is it really the best Sonic game?
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>>12693091>Sonic 3 has to cheat with a whole second game to reach the absolute peak of Sonic 2What a fucking failure of a game
>>12693091No, Sonic 2 is
>>12693091>gameIt's 2 games
>>12693163>>12693221Most of Sonic 2 is pretty much the "hold right to win" meme. Game doesn't raise the difficulty at all until Wing Fortress Zone.
>>12693341Came to post this.In fact, S3&K is the combination of 2 games, it's a feature. it adds some new stuff but also takes back some stuff that's in the original standalone games
>>12693352>t. never played Sonic 2
>>12693097Hell yeah, I like this one but also not a big sonic fan generally
>>12693091it was originally planned to be released as a single cartridge but it got scrapped when SEGA decided to focus on the Saturn.but yes, S3&K is the peak of Sonic. worth a playthrough.
>>12693816It was scrapped because Sega had a contract with McDonald's to get Sonic 3 out in time for the planned Happy Meal promotion.
>>12693825That sounds like something that could be easily rescheduled, rather than rushing development of an entire game. Another expample of Sega is wicked retarded, yet again.
>>12693825that... sounds made-up, anon.
>>12693829happy meal toys are scheduled for production runs well in advance. every player in the chain from manufacturer to shipping to distributor has a particular rotation of toys factored in long before the promotion runs. delaying would have meant fucking up that delicate dance of international commerce, or paying to warehouse the shit until Sega got their act together.You can tell from the fact that the toys ran during their scheduled time even though sonic 3 was cut in half and still didn't come out in time for the happy meals that the burger clown was not interested in either of those options.
It's good, but the best Sonic game? Nah, that's either Sonic 2 or Sonic Adventure 2.>>12693097Sonic CD is my favorite but it's not the best. It's a very, very easy game.
>>12693091Sonic 2 was where the series stopped being good. Literally everything that followed was lackluster and the series should have ended at the second installment.
>>12693947so is S3&K
>>12693954Which is why 3&K isn't the best Sonic game.
>>12693959That's 2 separate games
>>12694016Then why did you say "so is S3&K" instead of "so are S3&K"
>>12694016intended to be released as one game.
>>12694030I intended to lose my virginity at 17 but that doesn't mean I ever had sex in my life
>>12694020blew that retard the fuck out
why do rom hackers use the Sonic 1 engine even when making games that resemble 3?
>>12693097>>12693365why the ableist exclusion of knuckles?
>>12693221This... except it's the Master System one.
>>12694175>CD & Knucklesthat would be a daunting task because you'd have to redesign the levels if you want to give him exclusive places to explore
>>12694030Kinda but not exactly. Sonic 3 was developed first after Sonic Team had to abandon the Sonic 3D SVP game.The idea for makingn Sonic & Knuckles came at the very end, and they developed most of S&K after 3 released.The McD thing was just another factor but not the main one.>Naka: The development began in late January of 1993, and up to June, we were doing tons of programming for the SVP. The SVP chip itself was still, at that time, being developed in parallel with Virtua Racing, so our team got to go to technical meetings in Chicago, which was really fun. Unfortunately, in June we realized that development of the SVP chip probably wouldn’t be finished by the end of the year. So we abandoned all the programming and work we’d done up to then. In the remaining 6 months we had for Sonic 3, we had to start entirely from zero and re-do everything. So while it might seem like it took us a long time between Sonic 2 and Sonic 3, the reality is that we really had no time at all to spare.
>blew that retard the fuck out
>>12694312> they developed most of S&K after 3 releasedS&K is part of sonic 3, its not a separate thing that they developed from scratch after. A few months before sonic 3 had to release they knew they were out of time so had no choice but to split the game. They then stopped working on the stages that would become part of S&K, allowing them to finish the Sonic 3 stages in time.
>>12694492All they really had done for S&K at the time was the zone names and the music (seen in the stage select).
>>12694628That is not true. The beta version of sonic 3 contained an in-progress version of lava reef buried at the end of the rom, its likely other levels were in various stages of progress, through we will likely never know for sure unless an earlier beta of sonic 3 is ever discovered.
>>12694656Leftover assets from stages not in the final release were always a thing in the Genesis Sonic games. By all means, S&K was built up from scratch using what little was already in S3 at most.
>>12694682I think you people are giving me brain damage.
>>12694682>uhm ascksually it wasn't a beta version of the stage it was a le leftover!damn you really are doing some major asspulls to avoid having your fragile ego be shattered and admit you're wrong
>>12693091Sonic 3 & Knuckles' development team had accidentally created the drop dash predating its initial inclusion in Sonic Mania by 2 decades but decided to not refine this accidental mechanic and include it in the base game, instead opting for a "insta shield" that functions nothing remotely like a shield.
>>12694312this is complete fictionS&K was released 6 months after S3 and many of its assets are found on the S3 cartin no way was it "mostly developed" after S3's release
>>12694805but it was tho
>>12694805>Yuji Naka's own words are fictionI get that hating on him is normal nowadays but jeez
>>12693091Yeah. 3K>CD>2>1
>save files in Sonic
>>12693091Unfortunately, yes. That's not to say that everything else is bad, but S3&K has yet to be topped. It's the perfection of the classic Sonic formula. Top notch level design, fantastic music, fun new mechanics like the insta shield and the elemental shields, 3 playable characters that act as difficulty selections, and of course, Blue Sphere, what could easily be considered the best iteration of a Special Stage there ever was. Sonic Mania Plus was close to topping it, but the recycled zones kinda dragged it down. Had they gone with fully original levels and maybe saved the recycled zones for that Encore mode it could've been the best but S3&K gets the edge for being more original.
>>12694890>hating on him is normal nowadaysIt's literally just one autist obsessed with him.
>>12693091I've played this game more than any other sonic game so of course. I even played the hell out of it with the PC release over and over.
>>12694853it literally wasn't. in what universe do you think most of a game the size of S&K can be developed, tested, and sent to master within six months? you're retarded.>>12694890Yuji Naka never said that.
>>12693829>>12693840Funnily enough, something similar happened to that 'Emperor's New Groove' movie. It was going to be a more serious in tone flick along the lines of 'Hunchback of Notre Dame', but Disney had already set up merchandising/promotion deals with Coca-Cola and McDs for a particular release date. When it became clear that deadline wasn't going to be met, the original movie was scrapped and rushed into becoming the buddy comedy that we wound up getting. So it's not completely outside the realm of possibility.
>>12695037that sounds like some bullshit factoid from a mid 10s Cracked article and I do not in any way believe it is true.
>>12693091I like the sphere stages, but I wish the game followed the 1/CD formula of spawning the "entrance" at the end of the act after collecting 50 rings. But, to be fair, 2 already got rid of that.
>>12694628What happens if you debug past this in base Sonic 3?
>>12695194the game crashes because there's nothing there
>>12695040Never saw The Sweatbox?
>>12693752>you MUST play a game to have an opinion on it
>>12695229Looks like Knuckles' whole level is there actually. This was the original Sonic 3. No bloody &. No bloody Knuckles.
>>12694109That's because you never followed Anon 17 up with Anon 17 & Anonette.>>12694756>functions nothing remotely like a shield.Literally deflects bullets but ok.
>>12695249literally yes retard.
>>12695250you're playing the S3&K rom
>>12695276You'll never guess how a game exists on a cartridge
>>12695280what the fuck are you babbling aboutthe point is that the webm is from the combination of the two games and not vanilla S3
>>12693091yes
>>12695282You can do it yourself anon.>Start vanilla Sonic 3>Do the level select code (press Up Up Down Down Up Up Up Up when you hear the drums on the Sega logo). You'll hear a chime if it worked.>Press up on the title screen to show "Sound Test">Hold A while selecting a level>Press B to enter debug modeThe level select code is hard af to do but just tap Up nonstop until you hear the first drum beat, then Down twice then, tap Up a bunch of times again. It has to be entered between the first and third drum beats apparently.
>>12695276If they were, the stage boundaries would be set so it's impossible to debug into a place you're not meant to be.
>>12695310that's a fake code that made the rounds on cheat sites back in the day that has never worked. Sonic 3 doesn't have a debug mode.
>>12695316that's not how the stages work at all. the same map gets loaded no matter who you're playing as, there paths are just blocked by obstacles if your character isn't meant to be there
>>12695317The timing window is bullshit but it absolutely works.
>>12695357it's a fake code that has never once worked. the "timing window" hoax was invented relatively recently as a troll job.
>>12693091Long game with tons of levels, nice musics, 4 special stages, there's a story going on through the levels and not just "you have pass this stage because you have to pass it."
>>12695405>Long game with tons of levelsLove when Sonic fans say this or complain 3K is too long then you look at what Mario had on offer at the same time and there's like a hundred levels and the game is at least four times as long and nobody complains
>>12695250uhhhhhh..............2separategamesbros.................uhhh our response?
>>12695453It's over...
>>12695438there are like six levels in SMW that are just repeated with different layoutsevery zone in sonic has unique graphics and music
>>12695458>ai infoslopyou can do better than that, anon
>>12695358So explain this:>https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3/Hidden_content#Level_select_.2B_Debug_mode
>>12695461a fan wiki choosing to perpetuate a hoax to fuck with outsiders? sir I am shocked, how could this have happened
>>12695474>UHHHHHH I-IT'S FAKE IT'S A HOAXAnon it's ok to admit you're wrong. Your fragile ego will recover.
>>12695481>GRR I'M JUST RIGHTAnon it's ok to admit you're wrong. Your fragile ego will recover.
>>12695008>Yuji Naka never said that.This is what Naka continued that with:>Then, at the very end of the Sonic 3 development, we were talking about needing to do something, and someone asked if it would be technically possible to combine two cartridges. We figured out the way to do that at the very, very last minute before the deadline, and then we revised all the programming in Sonic 3 to account for a future Lock-On cart.Si basically, in 6 months they did Sonic 3, the original stand alone game we know.Then, at the very end, like almost last minute, they hacked in some elements that would be used with the Lock-On cart, such as Knuckles' paths.Nowhere does Naka or the other guys mention anything about having to "split" the game.In fact the whole thing about S&K existing is because they had the chance to make a second game right after they finished 3.I don't know why people WANT the narrative to be different and for 3&K to be "one big game". 3&K is, as the title suggest, a special feature, not the "real finished game".Source btw:https://shmuplations.com/sonicteam/
>>12695310I remember trying to make this code work back in like 03 and it never once did even though I tried it dozens of times
>>12695438SMW can be beaten in like 10 minutes
>>12695317>>12695358>>12695585NTAI just got it to work, it took probably 30 attempts.
>>12693091there is no good sonic game
>>12693091Yes. Everything from this point onward is a fast (fitting, I suppose) descent into entropy that the series has never fully recovered from since.>>12695249Any jannies watching, please make this post a new site banner for /v/ specifically.
>>12695753kek nice photoshop, but sandopolis isn't even in Sonic 3 retard
>>12695405>>12695438S3&K, SA1 and SA2 were peak Sonic
