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=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
666 Minutes Of /vr/
Game : Doom 2 | Format : Vanilla (Limit Removing)
Resources & Rules : >>12687710

An Eternity of /vr/
Game : Doom 2 | Format : Eternity
RC2 : https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/eovr

=== NEWS ===
[07-14] Custom 1999 Quake 2 unit 'Deaf, Dumb, and Blind' has been remastered for Q2R
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/deaf-dumb-and-blind-remastered

[07-13] Catbox now purges idle files 2 years or older
https://blog.catbox.moe/post/821058172332769280/

[07-08] La tailor girl updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1267215

[07-02] persian.wad released (new WAD by Ribbiks)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/159055

[07-01] Slipgate Rangers:
>>12668801

[06-30] Cherry Doom 2.1.0 released
https://github.com/xemonix0/Cherry-Doom/releases/tag/cherry-doom-2.1.0

[06-29] An Eternity of /vr/ released!

[06-26] Nugget Doom 5.1.0 released
https://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases/tag/nugget-doom-5.1.0

[06-26] Doom Universe Installment A - Aerial Lavender released
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/4367

[06-18] Divine Twilight Chapter 2 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/divine-twilight/downloads/divine-twilight-chapter-2

[06-19] Bobby Prince has passed away
https://x.com/JoeSiegler/status/2067801735075135584

[06-15] TimeSplitters Rewind is available for download
https://www.indiedb.com/games/timesplitters-rewind1/downloads/timesplitters-rewind-early-access-v03

[06-13] Duke Nukem Zero Hour Overclocked released - Modded PC port with M+KB controls, FPS mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZS5KNHYHgs

[06-12] Warehouse Jam for Quake 2 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-re-release-warehouse-jam-1

[06-10] Second community Blood jam is out
https://www.moddb.com/mods/bloodbasket/downloads/bloodstream-map-jam

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

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>>12697431
https://www.moddb.com/mods/slipgate-rangers use my moddb link for skopgate rangers not my dead post lol

Ocean Deep is kinda neat. Might be better in another engine but this is functional. I think the lighting could be fixed up - especially just finding the ship the first time - whole area could be made more visually interesting. Prob should just turn off radiation suit green light nonsense. I couldn't get it to run in the latest version of Chocolate Doom too. Ran into an error and shutdown upon loading a level. And I barely use chocolate doom so I don't mess with the settings much. I did get it running in Nugget 5.1 + latest Crispy. Prob works in Cherry too. Oh and it needs a different soundtrack from the default doom's for RE appeal.

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O SHIT ZOMBIES

SHOOT EM IN THE HEAD

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Uh....and Hellknights too..I guess

are there any guides on making good textures for quake or doom? i wanna learn but too dumb without guides

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WADSUP IS MOVED TO:
wadsup.xyz

clovr is down atm.
when it comes back I'll see if I can do something fun with it. It was running windows (for convenience with some games), so I'll switch to Linux see what I can do. I'd like to host more things in-browser l but we'll see what I can hack together.

>>12697464
those be barens

>>12697485
Like from scratch?
Aside from the low resolution and color palette, there's not much different from making textures for anything else. So you can follow along with more generic guides (there's a lot of them) then tweak stuff to look good in palette.

>>12697464
What's with the Resi zombies

>>12697442
WHOOPS!

>>12697459
>Might be better in another engine
It definitely calls for another engine. Like, genuine props for all that effort, but you seriously need to AT LEAST fork ChocoDoom or something to smooth over a few of the glaring seams.

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>>12697537
I released version 1.0 on the 22 of July to coincide with the 30th anniversary of Quake. I just forgot to say something about being included in the OP.

I just reset the server again for the 1.2 update for anyone interested
connect 161.153.62.180:27500

>>12697517
I've been playing a bunch of brutalist jam maps and liked a lot of those textures, was curious what you'd need to start making stuff like that specifically. They seem a bit more complicated than your standard run of the mill doom/quake stuff however

>>12697556
Well you have shit taste and all those textures were soullessly mass produced on a node graph in Adobe Substance Designer by a professional game developer™ so if you really emulate those you better fork over a fat check to Adobe every month and start learning to impassionately plug autistic fucking math nodes into each other like your career at a AAAA game studio depends on it.

>>12697564
oh so it's not hand drawn in any way? i'm not touching adobe with a 12 ft pole, I just wanted some fun texture projects and a bit of material to learn from

>>12697556
I personally thought about making some textures and I was just going to adapt real photos Im going to take. Cement walls, brick walls, wood walls, gravel road, grass. The world around you is full of textures.

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>>12697556
Fuck I need to get around to finishing those. So damn cool.

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>>12697572
yeah there's some really interesting levels there, I specifically liked the sense of scale some of those maps had

>>12697429
FUCKING IMPS
GET YOUR ASSES BACK HERE

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>>12697569
>oh so it's not hand drawn in any way?
Nope. You'll be staring at pic related and modifying nodes the whole way through while it outputs a cube which you get the texture from.

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>>12697431
>[06-13] Duke Nukem Zero Hour Overclocked released
I know I'm late to the party but FUCK YEAR, ZERO HOUR
If you like Duke, this one is sadly overlooked.

>>12697460
Are those RE zombies? What wad?

>>12697596
This shit isn't even hard to do by hand. I've handcrafted entire texture sets by just making them from one 'core' texture (creating brickwork, trims, blocks, floortiles, pillars, decorations, etc, out of one kind of base stone texture to get a consistent look), and it's really not hard to do that with common tools like PaintNet, Photoshop (pirate it), Aseprite, etc.
Anything reasonably advanced that can do layers and shit, and which you can wrap your head around.

Doing shit like brutalist concrete blocks would be among the easier, as you're doing simple gray block shapes with smooth and flat surfaces.

>>12697571
You can literally do this, yes. One of the wall textures in Doom is literally Kevin Cloud tripping and scrubbing his knee on the way to the iD office one morning, and (probably) Adrian Carmack decided "Let's digitize it and put it in the game, lol!"

I've been out of the loop for, like, a year. What happened to Doomer Boards and DBP?

>>12697464
Dumb secondary.

>>12697719
Is he really a secondary if he's actually posting screenshots of the game he's playing?

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>secondary
Why is everyone using this zoomerism all of a sudden? It's like I just woke up one day and everyone was saying it, even in the context of ancient games like Doom.
Is calling someone a fake fan not good enough anymore?

>>12697730
It comes from 2hufaggots.

>>12697730
>zoomerism
I first heard it nearly two decades ago from- >>12697735
Yeah, that, but it might be older still. Can't tell you why it might be getting used more over similar terms, though.

>>12697730
>zoomerism
It's been used since at least the early 2010s, newfriend

>>12697682
Fuck, I remember trying this shit on an emulator and getting filtered by the controls forever ago. Might as well give it a try now.

>>12697730
Secondary is an old term, and it strictly refers to people who are 'fans' of a content only through the fanart and fan works, but haven't touched the source material. They consume the 'secondary' content only. It's a type of poser, and it's about the people who actively pretend.

Anon's use of it is incorrect, because the other anon is actually playing, and probably just had a brainfart or something.

>>12697750
Even older, I think.

>>12697747
>Can't tell you why it might be getting used more over similar terms, though.

There's legions of secondaries on places like Xitter, where they'll bend over backwards on why they are still actual fans of this or that, yet make up very ridiculous bullshit reasons as to why they won't play or watch something, and that asking them to just engage with the source material itself is oppression or something.
This pestilence of pretending dipshits has probably caused people to be more conscious of the phenomenon, and more eager to call it out (even if using it incorrectly).

>>12697551
I think regen perk kills any kind of overheal. Vampirism might be, too.

>>12697793
No, wait. Right after I sent that post, I noticed I downloaded old version. But then, how did it let me join the server?

>>12697781
>Bullshit on twitter
Right that nonsense. Maybe it's the autism but that shit just doesn't make sense. Even as someone who does studies of shit he'll never play. Why you gotta pretend to be something you ain't over something so silly?

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>>12697801
Nevernevermind, it does that in 1.2, as well

>>12697801
>>12697824
the assets didnt change just the game logic so it only matters if you are hosting your own games.

Thank you I shall work on balance tweaks. Would love to hear any other suggestions you may have.

>>12697569
>i'm not touching adobe with a 12 ft pole, I just wanted some fun texture projects and a bit of material to learn from
You don't need Adobe to do node-based textures and materials, Blender and Unreal can do that shit as well. The advantage of working with models as a basis for textures is that it's easier to turn them into normal maps based off the geometry, not that that's relevant for Doom but if you decide to mess about with Source or similar you can leverage it.
Any real designer is going to be using SideFX Houdini or similar, not Adobe shit.

>>12697682
>this one is sadly overlooked
You mean sadly overcloocked

>>12697824
wait I noticed what happened it didnt decay wtf thats not right. it's supposed to decay and even carry between levels and continue to decay. Fuckin quake man just when you think you got every bug smashed out some other one pops up

>>12697834
I have nothing yet, besides make hud show all finite ammo types. Menu print doesn't quite cut it.
Also, I noticed that if you instagib a zombie with a grenade, it won't count towards fodder quest. Pls fix.

>>12697431
>666 Minutes Of /vr/
If I can add extra assets, what format should they be in? D2 color palette, BTSX palette, or just raw .png? Should I count the time spent making and porting them, or only map design and playtesting? What doom ports are the goal?
t.guywithteacup

>>12697923
Vanilla DeHacked, paletted.

>>12697943
Paletted to what? D2 and BTSX have two different palettes.

>>12697954
Paletted to btsx palette ofc

>>12697923
Idk how much adding can be done with the wad that loads on top of the resource wad but you can just edit resource wad if that's more convenient. I will then merge it using deutex+git

>>12697459
>'t get it to run in the latest version of Chocolate Doom
Did you -merge and -dehlump

>>12697429
Back to mapping
>>12687710
>>12697048
Resuming

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>>12698175
I only used -merge but I'll try the other command later

>>12698178
Stopped at 06:31:00

>>12698243
you can load either the separate deh
>chocolate-doom -merge ODV1.wad -deh ODV1.DEH
or the one from the wad file, same thing
>chocolate-doom -merge ODV1.wad -dehlump

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>>12697923
Okay I begun doing things.

haven't played doom or checked in here for a while any good wads release lately?

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are there any wads or FPS games in general that make good use of pre-rendered and/or photo assets?
I'm trying to get the style down but it feels a bit jank, pic related. these feel more like Fallout isometric props or item icons rather than regular billboard sprites
looking at games like Blood, Redneck, Ashes etc they tend to use a lot of handpainted pixel art images made from scratch, and that's definitely not my strong suit
closest I've found is the non-retro and deliberately garish Slayers X

>>12697429
So I've beat Half Life 1, BS and OF, what are some good mods? Shooting soldiers was fun

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>>12698286
I would recommend Half-Life: Echoes and Field Intensity. They are both relatively recent mods that are phenomenal. Field Intensity is basically an expansion of OF, while Echoes feels more distinct from the original games.

>>12698278
We did a mini expansion of levels to Ad Mortem last Halloween, and also we tried making a few maps for Eternity.

>>12698279
Doom itself uses a lot of digitized stuff, but you know that. Duke 3D similarly uses a mix of digitized photo stuff and hand drawn, but also a lot of pre-rendered 3D models, like almost all the monsters and weapons, and some props.

>>12698209
Eyyy, you did it!

>>12698286
They Hunger is neat.
It's not a mod really, but you should pay Gunman too.

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>>12698313
oh nirvana is easy
this map however

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Is there something I'm missing with the discs of repulsion in Hexen? They don't actually seem that useful, but the game just dumps assloads of them on you at certain points.

>>12698276
>captures screenshot in doom
>posts system screenshot

>>12698523
Extra damage and the chance to induce infighting/distraction.

>>12698523
Good for breathing room and it repels projectiles. Enemies also die from fall damage so you can blast them off edges.

>>12697489
Honestly this website is an incredible concept. Far better than idgames in every way, for its intuitive tagging system but mostly because there's actual screenshots which is a huge plus in my mind, though I wish it were allowed to have more than 4. If it ever needs funding for storage I'll gladly donate.

>>12698303
Not him, but thanks, I don't think I tried Field Intensity yet.

>>12698250
RESUMING

>>12697569
The guy who made Otex advocates for Substance Designer despite apparently never using it. This means that despite being high quality, Otex was made without node based generation, which isn't surprising given he started making making textures before that tool even existed. He made some youtube videos about using Photoshop to make Doom textures, but they don't cover the absolute basics. Obviously, it's trivial to pirate any Adobe product, but I still prefer Gimp. Last thread, someone was advocating for Kirita, since it seems to have something comparable to the look up table (LUT) that Ukiro advocates in one of these videos.
https://doom.ukiro.com/2020/12/28/i-made-some-videos-about-photoshop/

>>12698303
Echoes is genuinely great and its only failing is that it's too short. It covers the Black Mesa disaster in one day, when from Gordon's perspective it took two.
>Field Intensity
The bad voice acting really turned me away. Maybe I'll get around to it later.

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Opened my map on Slade and saw this.
What is a "marker"?

>>12698765
just delete one of them

>>12698681
Paused at 05:07:16

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>>12698741
>Last thread, someone was advocating for Kirita
That was me. It really is great to work with and I've settled on a general setup that gets decent results consistently:
>set texture image size to 2X what it will be in-game
>add palettize adjustment layer WITH dithering (whichever dither type looks best for the material)
>add pixelize adjustment layer set to 2x2 to preview how it will look at the final size
>add another palettize layer WITHOUT dithering to snap pixelated colors back to where they need to be
>go back and add any color correction, levels, or sharpening layers BEFORE the first palettize if needed
You can adjust the texture in any way you need to and see how it will look without permanently losing colors to palettization. Being at 2X final res also means you have some wiggle room to push pixels around without horribly distorting things.
Unfortunately Krita seemingly can't export in a specified color palette (only auto-generated ones from the colors in the image) so I'm just copy/pasting the whole image into a GIMP file already setup with the palette I'm using. You also need to actually scale the image down 2x, without any filtering since it's already pixelated.
I very much recommend this brush set because it has a number of brushes that let you push pixel elements around in different ways without blurring the colors together:
https://github.com/Rakurri/rakurri-brush-set-for-krita/releases/tag/V2.0

>>12698523
Spamming them keeps away enemies and projectiles, making you quasi-invulnerable. They also damage monsters and can cause infighting.

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>>12698829
I should note also that you can have adjustment layers affect a whole group rather than a single image layer by dragging them out to under the group header instead. So you can layer painted adjustments or other stuff on top of whatever you're using as a base and still get the same results.
Each adjustment layer also has a mask that is opaque (white) by default, but you can paint them out. So if you are making textures for Quake you can have a separate palettize layer just for fullbrights covering anything meant to glow while the other palettize can have an inverse of that mask and be the rest of the palette.

>>12698826
Resuming again

>>12698616
Thanks. It's maybe a *little* hodgepodge, but I think we got it to a place where it's pretty usable. The "try it" button didn't seem to survive server migration so I'll have to look into that when I get a chance.
I don't want it to be an exhaustive list of every wad ever like idgames, just a convenient place for /vr/ (or any other rando who stumbles in it) to find wads to play. But if it gets expensive I'll look into options. Right now I think it's only ~8gigs of data. Wads are (usually) small.

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>>12698279
>are there any wads or FPS games in general that make good use of pre-rendered and/or photo assets?

P much all the main sprites (enemies, weapons) in these games are made from digitalized physical models or pre-rendered 3d ones, from scratch, pixel stuff is used mainly for items/hud/decoration things.

They also had to be heavily edited to be usable as sprites, you can see weapon models where they added some highlights to make the thing stand out/pop better.

I was wondering about this process myself, but i only have some stuff from my abandoned crappy project that show many of the problems of Slayers X's sprites, and none of their upsides of course.

Someone post the original Blood cultist clay model, i swear it looks so fckn cute.

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These guys can fuck right off. They're not even hard, they're just a rocket tax when you meet one.

>>12698909
That one valley with the three of them, is it possible to kill them or are you actually just supposed to run to the ship?

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>>12698909
>Titan fight? Time to empty the gunk gun!
I never use it for anything else.

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>>12698912
Honestly, I find all the guns useful. Unreal is the only retro FPS I've played that I can think of where all the guns feel relevant and useful throughout the campaign so far. There's no gun that I feel is obsolete or kind of shit even now I've got everything and that's impressive really.
Oh, and hey, it's that castle from the tech demo intro!

>>12698616
>>12698889
Actually it looks like the form put the vigor wad in the wrong place too, so I have to sort that out as well. Probably a feature of an updated plug-in. I'll move it tonight...

>>12698909
I hate it when their rocks decide to break up into smaller pieces and start bouncing around on the geometry behind me, so while I'm focusing on him throwing even more rocks, one of them decides to just turn around and instagib me. Luckily there's maybe two spots in the game that can happen regularly.

>>12698910
There were four for me on hard, and I was dumb and stood my ground. At least they all died.

>playing hexen on archimage difficulty
It's not fair, why are the frost shards shittier than the Wendigo's attack

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Don't really work with photos but can talk about hand drawing textures.
>Specific program doesn't matter too much, so long as it supports different kinds of brushes. Been using CSP but there's no reason Krita or whatever can't be used instead.
>Personal choice is to not trace over real life photos, but this is one of those things where most people won't pile on you for doing so, but obviously you start with line art.
>The human brain is stupidly good at finding patterns and this is most likely something being repeated a lot so you do need to keep it in mind. The easiest way is to make a lot of little details all over so as there's nothing to stand out too hard to the eye.
>The worst thing you can do is one or two massive details that draw the eye (unless that's the intent. The bigger any one detail is, the more it's gonna stick out wen you repeat it. >Positioning of the detail doesn't actually matter that much whether it's in the center or not since you're repeating it.
>For random or "natural" textures, clusters of detail with single bits strewn about looks more natural than something where nothing is clumped up.
>Lines not actually aligning when the textures repeats is going to drive you mad and there's a few options for addressing this. Personally, the most direct method when hand drawing is just doing shit like holding shift and ensuring that the line is flat with no deviation leading to the opposite side of the texture and using that as the starting point for the line on the opposite side.
>Depending on your shading method, shading at the edges can be a pain in the ass due to inconsistencies becoming apparent. Usually it's for the best to just avoid stuff that requires more annoying/intricate work right at the edges to minimize those issues.
>Weathering, almost always done with a different brush than you used for the flat coloring/shading/linework, is similar. Tile and more obviously segmented stuff is better for this since you minimize inconsistency on edges.

>>12698886
Stopped at 03:55:29

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Let's say I wanted to command respect and admiration from random strangers on the Internet, with an achievement I could hang my hat on.
Should I play through Quake on Hard or should I go balls out and play through it on Nightmare?

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Holy fuck this was difficult. Probably harder than map 04, but also more fun.
I was actually getting decently consistent at everything except the last bit (reaching the end from the red key area), which is a complete clusterfuck.

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>>12699000
Took me 130 attempts total. Also of course I missed a damn armor bonus and had to go back for it.

>>12698995
Play on nightmare and ignore that one guy when he shows up to try to tell you how um ackshually it's really easy or whatever.

>>12698995
Nightmare isn’t that impossible. It plays a bit more like a cover shooter when Shambler and vores are around, but besides that you’ll just use the fastest weapons on whatever is closest to you.

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>>12698995
Shamblers can be annoying, you'll have a hard time being able to dodge attacks from vores, but otherwise it's not that bad.

>>12698995
I prefer Quake on hard, but nightmare isn't the joke difficulty it is in Doom. It CAN make certain situations easier despite what that other anon said due to Ogres spamming their grenade launchers and being mostly immobile, but it's only specific situations so don't expect a breeze.

>>12699014
>>12698995
When I said certain situations check this shit out >>12699010 They really don't care if they can hit you or not.

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>>12699010
>Shamblers can be annoying

Shamblers ain't bad its vores that suck. fuck vores.

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>>12698904
>pixel stuff is used mainly for items/hud/decoration things.
aye, was hoping there'd be some cases of games that used pre-rendering for basically everything. I'll figure it out
using a 256 color palette probably helps unify all the sprites but damn is it finnicky and painful to actually use one, seeing the render / texture go from fine to all fucked up with splotches of ugly colors where it shouldn't be, one of the limitations I'm glad I can avoid
skele pistol would work in an ironic joke wad
>original Blood cultist clay model
he and the axe guy used a power ranger figure as a base, about as cute as it gets

>>12699014
I heard about that.
I played Classic Doom on Ultra Violence so I'm really just looking for the equivalent.
I'll probably play Nightmare, just for maximum respect.

>>12699027
>SCP Shambler that's harmless but fucking annoying
>It can and will leave infected copies of Quake and enter other games
>It will them zap the female characters and turn them into Shamblers
>The Shamblers behave like Shamblers but all the other characters behave as normal
>FF scenes have the male characters continuing their dialogue with what was formerly Tifa, Aerith and Yuffie stomp around in circles and occasionally zap the male characters harmlessly with lightning
I can see this being a dumb joke article. Too bad SCP is filled with retards now.

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>Civvie couldn't figure out how to get Quakespasm to work
>GGMan had to play Sigil on on Hurt Me Plenty instead of UV because "Fighting a Cacodemon in an enclosed space is too hard" despite it being required for E2M1 in Doom 1.
>According to Midnight literally every single WAD ever made is illegal or the most disturbing
Is Decino the only Boomtuber that isn't a fucking retard or a fraud?

>>12699049
>so I'm really just looking for the equivalent.
Hard would be closer to UV as you have more enemies but they're not as fast.

>>12699049
You might be waiting a while for that respect

>>12699048
shit I had that red ranger toy he had a little blaster that went in his holster. I forgot all about those ones. I actually wanted to make some new quake weapons using my kids nerf guns as reference. I know doom used toys

>>12698286
Delta Particles

>>12699063
Maybe you just shouldn't indulge e-celebs your attention.

>>12699063
>>According to Midnight literally every single WAD ever made is illegal or the most disturbing
Makes since that he says this because he's a dude who only got into Doom since Eternal and still acts like he only knows basic shit while trying to manipulate people that knew less than he already does.
The other two are a bit more tragic because they're older and even supposedly more into these games.
>>12697730
"Poser" would be a better word but the current used (And much worse) term now is "LARPer".
Which is so fucking stupid given it's an acronym with a specific meaning (That people overlook).
Tho there is a problem with "fandom" being more about bullshit socialization than actually engaging with the works, which is why people fake shit.

>>12699063
dont give views to that shill ggman dude will glaze anything they pay him to (outlaws). He used to he cool and review shit like pol.wad but now hes a complete sell out.

>>12699063
>4 eceleb namedrops
Shut up and go play Doom. Or Quake. Or Blood.

>>12699082
I will never understand why "LARP" became the go-to word for how someone behaves online. That's just roleplay, not LARP.

>>12699051
now this is autism

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>>12699079
>>12699086
I've only seen a few GG videos and stopped after the Sigil video.
Civvie I watch on occasion, because he's at least funny most of the time.
When he's not bitching about politics.
>>12699087
Dude I'm gonna!
I already played Doom up to 64.

>>12699094
>Dude I'm gonna!
>I already played Doom up to 64.
Then go get the double bladed chainsaw!

>>12698948
IIRC the Frost Shards are outright bugged and don't actually work properly.

>>12698932
>At least they all died.
That's the important part.

>>12698463
Man!

>>12699095
I did, I just stopped playing half way through because I had burned myself out on Doom at the time, and I just never went back to finish it.

>>12699108
You mean the shards not passing through/shattering frozen enemies? I'm pretty sure that's intentional. I'm playing through Crispy Hexen but they're just as shitty in GZD/UZD

>>12699123
Ok, well it's bad design then.

>>12699094
I cant stand civvies politics and half the reason I will only watch his videos as background noise. Dude is the epitome of safe edgy he will make all the classic talking points but never actially point out why. Its shareholders and capitalism, never sharma and h1bs and how whats happening to microsoft/xbox also happened to google, youtube, intel and basically everything else they touch. But yes its shareholders and greed even though that is a proven losing strategy.

>>12699063
I liked Matty/REVOKE's stuff and was looking forward to watching him experience Afterglow but he just did the first level and stopped.

>>12697429
Mega Man ZDoom is out.
https://mengo329.itch.io/mmzdoom

>>12699220
To make things worse, Sandy Peterson, the Mormon fuck, is claiming that like 60% of id's revenue from Doom was stolen by pirates.

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>>12699286
Sandy...Doom was coded by a guy who once used thermite to break into his school to steal their computers...

>>12699281
This mod is cool as fuck. I took notes from how well animated the first person Z-saber attacks are for my own bullshit.

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I did pirate my copy of Doom.

>>12699220
>never sharma and h1bs
Shareholders and greed are a pretty big factor in those elements tbf. Shareholders rarely have even a sliver of understanding of what they invest in, and are extremely vulnerable to buzzwords and flavor of the 'month' gimmicks.
It's those kinds of people who push towards importing jeets because muh bottom line.

>>12699289
>Atari
Killed by Atari.

>Amiga
Commodore? Also killed by Commodore, they made a series of very wrong and atrocious business decisions, so they fell behind Microsoft, IBM, and Apple.
There's also this stupid myth that Doom killed Amiga, but no, Commodore were already circling the drain a long time before the Doom shareware was out.

>3DRealms
They fucking thrived because of how colossal of a success Duke 3D was, and that was building on previous successes. Duke Nukem was a big brand for a while and it kept making them money, Duke 3D alone was something like 3.5 Million sales by the early 2000s, when combining PC and console sales.

What killed 3DRealms was the leadership and the colossally irresponsible and dysfunctional and protracted development cycle of Duke Nukem Forever, which after 9 years of not having a remotely finished game to show for it lead to them running out of money. Piracy had ZERO responsibility for that.

I fucking love Sandy, but I wish he didn't spout this kinda bullshit.

>>12699289
I can't defend him anymore
he needs to just shut up honestly

>>12699315
my point is enough months, quarters, years... have passed that it is a proven losing strategy. What is the point in cheap foreign labor when it turns all your products to shit and tanks your stock. Everyone saw what happened to intel and they all want to copy that strategy like its a race to the bottom.

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>>12697429
Been looking for the youtube video of this guy where it just keeps zooming in on him over and over while some anime girl sings "loading a loading-U" over and over. Its like a remix video and it got deleted from my playlist. Can anyone help me?

>>12699289
Classic boomer take of equating a pirate copy with a lost sale, as if customers have infinite money and can justify every $60 frivolity.

Anyone has the new snes doom rom? Can't find it in the usual places

>>12699387
>>12699393
It's not capitalism it's human nature. The strong eat the weak. Capitalism, in every universe where intelligent life
>uh, finds a way
then intelligent life will inevitably create capitalism. All things exist in a chain, and intelligence creates desire, desire creates greed. Zhat simple.

>>12699331
>What is the point in cheap foreign labor when it turns all your products to shit and tanks your stock
Because it boosts it short term and there is no actual value in a long term investment in any company stock these days. Very few stocks pay dividends anymore (Wanna say it's less than 1% of stocks traded do, but someone can actually look it up if they want the real number). Unless you're using those stocks as collateral or some such, you wanna flip that shit for as big a number as you can as soon as you can. Realizing those gains ASAP and investing those gains to let your even greater pile of wealth produce more wealth is the entire modus operandi of it.

Riding out a rough patch or keeping your money in something stable is not the best move in the game the investors in these companies are playing.

>>12698312
Stop with your autism.

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scope my new avatar gents. 10000 hours in mspaint.

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Which Quake episode have you played the least of? For me it's E3

>>12699554
The shades look a bit flat.

>>12699556
Probably the expansions, not because I didn't like them (I think they're very good), just because I played them much later.

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>>12699574
youre right here is my slight improvement

>>12697429
Stuart Rynn recently released an arranged album of Ancient Aliens Ost. thought that was neat.

https://stuartrynn.bandcamp.com/album/ancient-aliens

>>12699581
That looks better, though you should also add some subtle highlights/sheen, make it look like glass.

>>12698178
>>12698969
Trying to finish this once and for all.
RESUMING

>>12699710
Stopped at 03:16:39

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Map 23
Pretty easy map. The pain elementals are the trickiest part. I briefly hide in the other room so they'll get out of the way, but if you wait too long they'll end up preventing the wall from closing later which means you're fucked.

>>12698959
Beautiful. Ty Carmack.

>>12699742
Resuming

>>12699837
Stopped at 2:18:47

Opinions on the Doom 3 Phobos mod? I was looking at a few videos on it and it honestly looks a lot better than Doom 3 itself which was probably an average at best game. I like the attempt at a horror themed Doom game but there was a lot that could have been better with the game. This mod seems to not only address many flaws of Doom 3 but it also has its own story to stand on its own merits. I am interested in trying it out one day.

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>>12699887
>This mod seems to not only address many flaws of Doom 3 but it also has its own story to stand on its own merits.
That story has prevented me from getting more than an hour into it, making me appreciate how much more straight-to-the-point the original campaign is. D3 itself isn't too bad and with a few mods gets pretty fun.

So why doesn't Quake have an automap like Doom?

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Map 24
Again not that bad. I did the blue door skip so I could reach the distant megasphere early, but in hindsight it might actually not matter that much.
I somehow managed to die 4 times close to the end in this blue pinky room, so I'm pretty sick of the map now.

>>12699897
Because it's 3D and there wasn't any convenient way to show a fully 3D environment on a map screen without either just rendering the whole level (and rape your performance) or go through and make a simplified map model for every level in the game.

>>12699281
>>12697431
[07-17] Mega Man ZDoom is out.

>>12699632
>>12697431

>>12699887
>Opinions on the Doom 3 Phobos mod?
Performance is dreadful because the engine is crumbling under the sheer number of lights, since they all have to be dynamic.
>its own story
The story is very much an object of two halves, it's not until episode 3 that things start actually tying together.

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>Serious Sam TC for Duke 3D
But why

>warned for saying the naughty n word
this place has changed

>>12699883
RESUMING

>>12700049
it's a hobby project, why not

>>12700049
What the fuck that's insane.
>But why
Passion no doubt. There was a mod ten years ago that ported nu-Doom combat to Serious Sam Fusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urjui9q5Xbo

>>12699026
>design whatever
>believe doomguy
>alright god cool
>stopped sandy ways
>hope faggot change

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>>12700091
The Serious Sam fandom is incredibly 'tistic.
https://youtu.be/_ygEVgmp4bY?t=453

>>12700091
>>12700095
I wish Serious Duke 3D would have kept developing and polished it's bugs.
Fuck Duke Nukem IP holders.

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>>12700109
Come on, you hate Randy? He worked on the original Duke 3D if you didn't know. I even think he is a pretty Badass Guy all things considered!

>>12700079
Stopped at 01:06:22

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Maybe the real nightmare is the friends we made along the way

>>12699897
what >>12699959 said but also because every level was so well designed and easy to navigate that you wouldn't need one. something that many modern modders don't seek to emulate

Why do so many people capitalise the "d" in id Software?

HELL YEAH
I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD

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>>12700201
They used to style it that way themselves. But it's more likely just people mistakenly thinking that it's supposed to be I.D. Software, not the word id.

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>>12700135

>>12700235
When I was a little ESL kid, I thought it was pronounced I.D, because I didn't yet know what the id was.
Now I stylize it as iD Software, because as you said, they used to themselves, and also I think it looks neat.

Was myhouse.wad always 70Mb? I remember it being bigger

>>12700289
Every copy of myhouse.wad is personalized.

>>12700235
That looks like ID, not iD.

>>12700242
>There was some grease here. It's gone now.

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Maybe I'm getting used to this, but these maps have all been pretty mild after map 15. Except for map 22 of course

>>12700049
This is getting.... serious? Nuclear? I don't even know anymore!

>>12699634
thanks yah I knew it was missing that but im not sure how I go about adding that without ruining it. as you can probably tell I am not an artist

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GOOD AFTERNOON MOTHERFUCKERS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!

>>12700310
kek

what's the scoop on Shadow Warrior?
I love Blood, bounced off Duke a few times idk if I'm fucking retarded but I always get lost on the first map, after a certain point I have no idea what it wants me to do. I've beat all of Blood and Doom and those both have some labyrinthine maps at times, no idea
with Blood I love the lighthearted horror atmosphere and how the gameplay feels like a flow state between tactical and chaotic, and it's just overflowing with charm
SW seems pretty fun mechanically but its setting seems the worst of the big three Build games

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>>12700367
Ultra made these sprites awhile back, so I animated it and added the little fall over animation at the end there. This will probably be added to BYOC as a follower/pet

>>12700372
>doomguy what would you do if you had a tiny arti in your pocket?

>>12700370
It has my favorite gameplay of all the Build engine games. But, sadly after the first episode, which I think is fantastically put together, it feels like a bunch of random levels for the most part. I love the gamplay but it feels like you're playing a map pack instead of an actual campaign.

>>12700160
RESUMING

>>12700379
Will someone backport zero hour build 3d improvements into eduke?

>>12700370
Vastly overrated and definitely not part of some sort of an imaginary trio of build engine classics. If you like that particular period of fps game design you will have fun with it, but it is definitely nowhere near to being on par with duke or blood

>>12700370
underdeveloped setting but the game's is pretty fun. Great guns, cool enemies (the shadow ninjas are my favourite), build TECHNOLOGY in almost every map. Wang is my favourite character of the 3 too. The game is very underrated

>>12700372
I'm not used to seeing Arti with aligned eyes.

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>>12700395
Good point. I didn't even think about that at this tiny resolution.
That and Ultra seems to draw his eyes more aligned.

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1 of 2
So, I finished Unreal for the first time. I have mixed thoughts on it:
>The atmosphere was great, it really sold the long journey and hostile planet feel they were going for
>The guns were all pretty good, but considering I'm used to using beefier versions in Unreal Tournament that's no surprise. None of them were shit, and even the worst of them had a purpose. It could have done with a BFG equivalent though, the minigun doesn't count it's just a big hitscan machine gun.
>The enemy AI was fantastic, why can't the have enemies like this in modern games? The Scaarj actually act like they want to survive, they're like good deathmatch bots at all times.
>It's the prettiest retro FPS by far, some sections had me stopping and marveling at them, and I wish I could have seen this stuff back in the day when it was super impressive.
>I don't understand why people (not in this thread) have told me it's mostly a walking sim or a tech demo. The occasions where's you're not fighting are few and when you get these sections they're a welcome breather from the intense combat and to soak up the atmosphere.
>God damn is the music fantastic. I recognised the guy as the musician behind the Deus Ex soundtrack, it sounds very similar in places.

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>>12700443
2 of 2
But
>The journey felt more like an aimless wander than anything else, the Prisoner just goes in a general direction before stumbling on the mothership. Half-Life did the long journey better by having characters telling Freeman where to go and what he needs to do to get through the facility
>Fuck me the enemies were tanky and it took getting used to. Titans were far too tanky and I hated them and their bouncing one hit kill rocks that could slap you from behind. For the huge enemy variety I didn't know the Mercenaries and Skaarj soldiers were different enemies because they look the same. I only just found out checking out the wiki now I'm done. Gasbags looked silly, like platformer enemies.
>Some levels straight up locked you in a room and spat endless amounts of the same enemies at you. I actually thought a few places in the Cellar had infinitely spawning enemies at one point, what's with the lockdown arenas all of a sudden? At least with Doom and Quake you know when it's going to end for the most part.
>Want secrets? Better hope the Nali don't get killed by the nearby enemies who'll target them immediately. In general they sucked, I was expecting to help them resist since I had a translator but instead they just sat around, worshipping me and larping as Jesus on their crosses. They deserve the Skaarj.
>The game took a nosedive after the castle. I'd rather play Xen again than go through the mothership one more time.
In all, I think I enjoyed it enough that the flaws are more nitpicks and I'm going to try the expansion next. I still much prefer Half-Life, but I'm going to miss fighting enemies that actively avoid being shot once this is all over. I guess I should try out the expansion now though.

>>12700443
>The enemy AI was fantastic, why can't the have enemies like this in modern games? The Scaarj actually act like they want to survive, they're like good deathmatch bots at all times.
it's unfortunate that the only imitation i can think of is Halo and that game mostly sucks.

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man I love half life
I really like playing hl1 mods especially old ones, I find it very charming when they have custom textures and you can see a bright spot on the texture because the creator of the mod just took a picture of an object in their house with a flash on and used that as the texture
I like making maps and it reminds me how much harder thing used to be when we didn't have as many resources available on the internet, you had to take pictures yourself or buy CDs with textures

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>>12697431
Here's my submission to the BTSX/666 mins project:
https://gofile.io/d/SRUDRI
>Name: Tethys Anomaly
>Author: EyeBallTank
>Song: That one song from Speed of Doom
>Tested on: DSDA Doom

>>12700443
>I don't understand why people (not in this thread) have told me it's mostly a walking sim or a tech demo. The occasions where's you're not fighting are few and when you get these sections they're a welcome breather from the intense combat and to soak up the atmosphere.
Yeah it's really noticeable in parts like the several boat rides or that tram in Bluff Eversmoking, it's not obnoxious or anything though
Some areas feel bigger than they probably should have been to show off as well; a lot of empty space. The Sunspire was awesome for it though.
>>12700447
>Want secrets? Better hope the Nali don't get killed by the nearby enemies who'll target them immediately.
I think at a certain point in development the devs also felt that sentiment, the Na'li stopped being important for secrets and there were more instances of Na'li torture as it went on
and yeah fuck the Mothership, I just ran through it, except that one level you go through twice, I got really lost there.

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>>12700452
I'd like it a lot more if the levels weren't so repetitive and tedious. It starts out pretty promising with the first actual level on the "halo" itself.

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>>12700367
Got around to actually messing with something to replace the automap and this feels like a good baseline to work with. Gonna have to mess around a bit to figure out a good way to have it update mid-level. Also gotta try and figure out a good way to get the old one back for the people who desperately want the old automap.

>>12700452
Yeah, I never got into Halo or saw it's appeal. Bad level design, annoying enemies, slow floaty movement and a two weapon limit. If it were a PC FPS originally it would likely be forgotten.

>>12700472
>If it were a PC FPS originally it would likely be forgotten
If Microsoft hadn’t stepped in, it would have probably proceeded to become that RTS it was initially intended to be. I also doubt it would have sold as much, and most of the appeal was playing slayer matches with your bros on the couch and even more via system link.

>>12699289
>>12699319
>>12699341
Sandy's trying to farm ad revenue though his twitter account, mute/ignore him and act like he's dead

>>12700464
>Some areas feel bigger than they probably should have been to show off as well; a lot of empty space
It was weird how some areas felt like they would be important or secrets but then they had nothing going on. Why is the crypt under Bluff Eversmoking some secret area if nothing is there? What's the point of the gondola in the castle that only serves to show you a Nali being airstriked if you go? It's really bizarre.

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Map 27
Again pretty easy, even when screwing up as much as I do here.
I'm half-considering doing invuln-less runs of this map and 28, which should be more interesting. But I kind of want to be done with this so I can start on my 666-minutes map.

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>>12700539
>Nali being airstriked
Not on my watch!
Legitimately, it was cool seeing the huge, long path he’d take to get there, showcasing how they could have the AI “figure it out.” It’s why I liked the Sunspire so much: Those troopers could decide to leap down a level and still figure out how to get to you and flank you.

>>12700548
How long have you been working on Nightmare for

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>>12700461
Nicely done! That's a pretty large level
Plasma secret was pretty obscure, and I didn't get to use BFG at all. There is way too much resources I think, I had 600 cells the whole latter half of the level and found the mega when I was almost 200/200 already

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>>12700350
>>12699634
wait I think I got it! I wanted subtle too but its hard when every pixel is so chunky

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>>12700608
I started on the 9th, based on the file times of my webms

>>12700458
did you play Field Intensity? it's one of the best HL1 mods ever, maybe. Insecure also ends up being the equivalent for Blue Shift but it goes on way too long.

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>>12700447
>>The journey felt more like an aimless wander than anything else, the Prisoner just goes in a general direction before stumbling on the mothership.
>Half-Life did the long journey better by having characters telling Freeman where to go and what he needs to do to get through the facility
I kind of prefer Unreal's method in this case, honestly, keeps it simple for my shootan. The datapad entries were enough to string me along, I even got somewhat invested into the ones relating to Kira.

>>12700668
I knew she'd be dead, but it sucked finding her corpse in the belltower.
Speaking of the story, I found it funny how the Skaarj never once seemed to give a shit who you were. In all other FPS campaigns the villains are cursing your name by the midpoint, but even at the end they're just "Uhhhhh some random human is in our mothership for some reason?"
I guess it shows how under their radar you are despite all the damage you're doing. You're just one annoying alien the troops report seeing now and then but you're nothing special to the Skaarj.

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>>12700652
yep I did I remember enjoying it though I don't have any particular scenes from it in my head
If I were to pick a fav mod I think I'd pick hazardous course 2 because of how different it is
It's really interesting and surprising with it's slapstick humor which is a weird things to say about a hl1 mod that's mostly focused on beating difficult puzzle/platforming
It's probably one of the hardest and funniest mods out there

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My Nightmare run is going great.

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>>12700710
>I guess it shows how under their radar you are despite all the damage you're doing. You're just one annoying alien the troops report seeing now and then but you're nothing special to the Skaarj.
It's not like you're the only human either, and they've seemingly dealt with a lot already. It's quite the opposite of something like Half-Life 2 where everyone's praising Gordon/the player and being amazed at seeing them.
The expansion tries put some more importance on the player as well as no longer leaving them a blank slate, for better and worse. I'm not a fan and am happy that Return to Na Pali Ultimate gets rid of the voiceovers and the cutscenes (as well as restores cut levels from the vanilla campaign.)

>>12699031
I appreciate the nerfed vores of dwell

>>12700893
>instantly attacking shambler death
You were warned.
>>12700991
That behavior is from the Copper mod which Dwell uses as a base.

>>12700998
After making my way through the level the correct way, only to die to the Shambler again, I decided to risk it, and took the jump.
But I didn't have 100 health so I got brought to 2.
And after dropping down into the lava room for more I died.
So I did it again, and survived with 31.
And found a second Shambler.
Which I beat.

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>>12701010
I expected this sort of thing from Romero, but this is just low McGee.

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thoughts on Redneck Rampage?

>>12701028
Dogshit.

>>12701028
It's really bad.

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>>12701028
>gorgeous levels and lighting, like crazy good
>weird, occasionally awkward level progression, sometimes made worse by not having colored keys
>boring enemy roster compared to Duke, Shadow Warrior, Blood
Pretty lame pistol compared to Duke's, too. Weird game.

>>12700991
>>12700998
Im not sure what copper does in particular but I killed the homing effect after you kill the vore in slipgate rangers. It may even do that most of my ideas were already done in other mods cause they just make logical sense like axe gibbing zombies. I haven't played anything with copper in years and I think its changed since then even too.

>>12700893
turning up the size of the console text is fucking based.

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i wish doom infinite hadnt died. looked like a cool ass mod.

>>12701028
playing without the music is probably the most boring shit ever I dont know I haven't tried with the soundtrack however its pretty fuckin cozy even if the levels are sloppy and the guns are kinda shit. I never had a problem with the accuracy of the revolver though so I dont know what that complaint is about (not you just something ive heard before)

>>12701090
>>12701161
Soundtrack is nice, but I don't like to play the levels while listening to it. Without it there's a slightly unsettling and comfortable atmosphere, especially when it comes to the asylum.
>I never had a problem with the accuracy of the revolver though so I dont know what that complaint is about (not you just something ive heard before)
The accuracy is fine, it's just a lot less fun to use than Duke's: It's got a slow rate of fire and reloads every six shots.
Most of the enemies are just less engaging than other Build equivalents as well.

>>12701145
I didn't do that.
It just came with the Quakespasm install from the OP.
I wish I had the big hud back.

>>12701171
oh my bad i meant the sprint on screen messages. I think the console text is vid_conscale there should even be a slider. I haven't use spasm in a while though

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>>12701161
>I never had a problem with the accuracy of the revolver though so I dont know what that complaint is about
a common misconception among players is thinking that you don't need autoaim in these old games. In actuality the functionality and balance is built around it being turned on
As for my own thoughts on RR (I was the one asking), I kind if like it. It's my favourite 5/10 game. Nice art, the levels look great for the time, greater than all other Build games despite having bad level design there and there. Good soundtrack. Yer scattergun and crossbow are decent weapons. The enemy design is the worst part of the game.

>>12699063
MtPain27

>>12701213
some of the weapons in duke 3d become completely unusable without autoaim, it's kinda crazy

>>12701346
Really? Which ones? Because I feel like the Shrinker is easier to use without autoaim seeing as you can better aim at the feet of Battlelords and consistently shrink the bastards.

>>12701354
i feel like the projectile ones break. that's why the modern source ports let you turn off the autoaim for hitscan only.

>>12701346
Have you even played the game with autoaim off? None of the weapons are unusable without it

>>12699063
I couldn't imagine listening to any moron's opinions at length about anything I'm interested in. What a shame about you and others who can't live that way.

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>>12700367
Back to working on crazy black hoes for White Boy Summer

>>12701381
Damn, someone should do something about the domestic violence aboard the ship. This will not get covered by the galactic media.

Is Chocolate Quake any good or should i use another port for a vanilla-ish first playthrough?

>>12701505
If you want the most vanilla playthrough possible it's the best sourceport, plus it's easy to use since it uses the music in your \id1\music folder
It comes with freelook On by default in it's included config file, but you'll probably want that anyway
The only thing I change from the default settings is lowering the brightness and setting Always Run to On

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>>12701354
>>12701356
pistol is weaker, shotgun is weaker (I swear it does more damage with autoaim on, as if more pellets get glued to the enemies), expander is completely useless without autoaim. With on, it turns into one of the strongest guns in the game, unfortunately locked behind ep4 and lack of ammo.
This problem is much worse in Shadow Warrior. Uzis, riot gun, railgun all useless. Notice the pattern? All hitscan weapons.
It's not as prominent in Blood but it helps against way too many tiny enemies and makes flare gun stronger.
As for RR you know how shitty guns there are, now imagine if they couldn't hit shit. That's how it plays without autoaim

>>12701552
meant to tag >>12701363 too

>>12701552
If you're using a modern sourceport i.e. duke32 then, in the case of duke, all the weapons are perfectly usable with autoaim off with a bit jank that comes from firing hitscans at enemies on a different Z level than yourself. I never had much problem with using the expander as well, in fact I found it rather reliable for mid distance sniping as long as you just do one click and not hold it down.

Same case for Blood, the only thing that is janky is shooting enemies above/below where 1/50 times the game will just not register what it would've the 49 other times. It has been ages since I've replayed SW personally, I just think it is not even close to being as good as duke/blood, but I distinctly recall turning off auto aim as well and can't recall having any significant problems.

There is just a bit of general jank that you can't get out of build engine's DNA even with modern sourceports, but autoaim is absolutely not necessary to play the games and use hitscan weapons

>>12701354
>Because I feel like the Shrinker is easier to use without autoaim seeing as you can better aim at the feet of Battlelords and consistently shrink the bastards.
That’s arguably a case of ‘no autoaim’ being too strong: There’s no way to disable it through vanilla Duke3D, those battlelords were meant to be fought and not just immediately shut down with the shrink gun.
I otherwise second every hitscan weapon in the Build games to be designed with autoaim in mind. Blood is the most tolerable to play without it because of the smoother, predictable movement of the enemies, but I can’t imagine anyone at Monolith balanced those harder difficulties without it. I recall even the manual suggesting turning it on.

>>12701572
I used to think the same. Then I turned on autoaim, night and day difference. Can't go back

>>12700893
it takes some luck but i can usually get it to infight with the ogre if i leave it alive.

>>12700242
We need a crossword master in here to reconstruct the original words on the floor. Restroom in the center.

Question: What is the longest base game retro FPS campaign (in hours)? Not count expansion packs or canonized mods.

>>12701678
I know it isn't but Half-Life has always felt really long to me. System Shock 2 I've heard is even longer.
I'm making my way through Marathon 2 and I'm only halfway through and have 9 hours logged in, and I'm reading every terminal. BUT I am also looking at a guide to find every secret I've missed so that's probably inflating my hours

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>Return to Na Pali
>Get rescued
>Nah, fuck you, go back down there
Well fuck you too. The voice acting is a bit jarring, but at least there's male and female voice acting, it remembers me keeping the standard female prisoner (which I kept for the novelty of being a female character in one of these) so that's nice. I already really like the assault rifle, but the reuse of the "holy shit, look at this neat alien world" theme from the start of the base game doesn't hit anywhere near as hard.

>>12701678
Blood has pretty big one. 4 episodes, 5 if you count the last one that was added later

>>12701749
It's a cheap cashgrab made using a lot of the rejected maps for the main game.

>>12701678
Depending on how much foreknowledge you have, Hexen 2 can be pretty long.
SiN is decently long I think.

>>12701028
Unbelievably ugly graphics and incredibly lazy gameplay. This game came out a year after Quake

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>>12701750
I just finished episode 2 and I could not believe it had only been like 16 maps total, it's so fucking long
also I believe this is the ideal way to play

>>12701756
That's a shame to hear. I'm just enjoying the opportunity to fight more Skaarj. It's kind of silly hearing the Prisoner shit scared of them in the between map audiologs when she single handedly fucked them over recently though.

>>12701028
Around half of the levels are pretty good and half of the levels feel like mediocre mazes. The only one that is really bad is Uranium Mines IIRC.
The relatively high definition art probably gives it some of the best visuals among old Build games.
The worst thing about the game is a lack of the enemy variety and I say this as someone who likes Hexen 1.
Rides Again is better in almost every way.
>>12701168
>Soundtrack is nice, but I don't like to play the levels while listening to it. Without it there's a slightly unsettling and comfortable atmosphere, especially when it comes to the asylum.
Yeah, the ambient in the game is great and I'm definitely not saying this just because I had a pirated copy without the CD music back in the day. RR is two different games with and without music.
Honestly, the only thing that came close to me in terms of atmosphere it got is Fallout 3: Point Lookout DLC. Too bad FO3 is trash.

>>12701795
You can always play Operation Na Pali mod for UT. It's single player and was considered kind of a big deal back in the day 20-something years ago.

>>12701795
At least you stuck with the female prisoner. The voiceover for the male is horribly phoned in and nasally.
If you wanted ‘more Unreal’ it’s a nice expansion pack but doesn’t do a whole lot that’s new. In fact the cut levels that the Ultimate mod adds provide more variety and maps made from original campaign authors.

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Blood would be way better if they had any sense of restraint and didn't try using 6 fucking keys nearly every level

>>12701552
Never had zero problems without autoaim.
Maybe it's because of the sourceport?

>>12701818
I think it varies by port, by game, even enemy. Duke’s drones feel much less annoying with hitscan aim-assist enabled.

do Hexen or Heretic have any mods like Blood's Death Wish or Thief's The Black Parade? ie God-tier fan mods

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I can't believe I survived this.
You can easily take 150+ damage on the final stairs. I thought I was doomed with only 86 health, and getting through there only taking 15 damage is some absolutely crazy luck.
The room before that with the three paths over lava is also really difficult.

>>12701816
Didn't know that Caleb was a member of the BGC.

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>Only found out those Prometheus crates were ammo supplies and not some story props to show me I was going the right way at the end of the Prometheus section
FFFFUUUUUCK. I thought the expansion was just being stingy to comical levels.
Also those Marines can fuck off.

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>>12701882
Also map 30 I guess.
I have now beaten Doom 2: Hell on Earth

>>12701882
Sometimes the best option is just throwing caution to the wind and running like Hell.
If you die, you've only lost a minute or two compared the fifteen you'd lose going slow and steady

Another great thread promo, OP. You’ve really outdone yourself.

>>12701782
you didn't beat the game

>>12699336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joW6r_yG8BQ

I will never understand the gay porn = actually haha funny memes that propagate here. Homos with AIDS spreading and generating more diseases is neither funny nor related to Doom.

Hard Fast Faggot Maps is /vr/ culture

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>>12701950
It's funny. Simple as. It helped that Billy Herington was a genuinely nice guy.
>>12701958
It was internet culture for a good long while.

>>12700539
Unreal's setting and story got greatly shaved down for the final game. I imagine a lot of that was just random beta stuff they left in because the alternative would be having nothing.