finally!!! the obscure ''it's just like my hecking Dark Souls but for the PS1'' hidden gem is translated (via AI slop) now all the posers will play ot for half an hour (or watch someone playng it) then never talk about it ever again
>>12703223We already have a tranny v AI debate thread up, do we really need another?
link to the AI trannylation (the shamelesss faggot uploader did not mention he used AI slop)https://github.com/WadoTranslations/ps1-brightis-english
>>12703226ofc, and there is that one anon here obssesed with this game, i want to see his reaction to his wish of seeing the game translated coming true ''Monkey Paw'' style
>>12703232People don't care about AI as much as you do. You're completely unhinged over it.
Can we drop the contrarianism and stop pretending this game wasn't pretty impressive for the time and hardware?>ocarina-style open world>modern analog controls moving with left, moving camera with right, and shortcuts to items with the d-pad>unlocking moves with skill points and customizing your attack setName another action-adventure PS1 game that has all three.
>>12703223Is this AI or ESL? I honestly can't tell from the image.
Man I miss old /vr/ that actually seemed to like video games >ot for half an hour (or watch someone playng it) then never talk about it ever againFake history when a new game got fan translated we used to have multiple threads about it hitting max reply count.
Just because you hate fan translations or video games doesn't mean you can accuse literally everything of being ai especially when the patch itself is called a localization more than anything (which aibros hate)
I already played that game years ago but I'm glad it finally has a translation; hopefully it's better than AI.
>the one and only thing unofficial translations truly had over official ones was lack of deadlines to get it all right to resemble professional work>impatient unskilled online kids missed the point because they grew up on modern adhd internet and blew the only thing that made unofficial translations any good
>>12703342>the one and only thing unofficial translations truly had over official ones was lack of deadlines to get it all right to resemble professional workYou're having a massive case of headcanon. Literally was never true from the oldest days of video game translations. If anything a lot of old fan translations were done exactly like op's rough, shoddy hard to read because they knew only the bare minimum of Japanese or where esl themselves. The whole "professional" aspect only started recently
>>12703353At least back then they got shit for releasing "functionally complete" crap as "1.0" and were more honest when it was a 0.X betatest/proof instead of inflating version numbers to string their favorite streamers or whatever along.
I already watched the seanson video thoalso that faggot better make a new video soon
>>12703223you would think AI translations could get fucking english grammar right....this is why our ram is so expensive?
>>12703390Imagine blaming some guy for ai when Elon is buying up your land for another data center
Can you make this thread again but less retarded?
>>12703390Just use AI to check the text for consistency, don't you know how to prompt??
>>12703390If it was actually ai the grammar would be better than this, this is classic esl translation. Which ironically is the one thing that actually proves more than anything this isn't ai just a guy who doesn't know English grammar
>>12703412Sorry, we too must live by the high standards of "FIRST!!!!1shift+1" translations, I'm sorry our collective IQs must all suffer as a result
>>12703228>shamelesss faggot uploader did not mention he used AI slopThen how do you know it's MT
>>12703423It was revealed to him in a dream.
>>12703423It reads like ESL using MTL tool assistance, but not AI (in my opinion). People just conflate CAT/MTL/AI because it's a hot-button issue right now and everyone who looks too greenhorn or too pseudointellectual is accused of overrelying on AI. What a mess.
>>12703320>Fake historyremember all those thread and discussions we had about the widely anticipated fan translation of the classic hidden game Kusoge's Gate? yeah me neither
>>12703434>CATwtf is that?
>>12703223>via AIbased
>>12703457Computer aided translations, not exactly mtl or ai but tools that help speed up the process of translating or grammar checks significantly, old as fuck method that goes back a decade and then some
>>12703223>WadoTranslationsWait, what? That's not even related to that other project that I saw get mentioned multiple times before but that had seemingly reached a dead end, is it?https://github.com/Dickdebonair/Brightis-fan-translationDid this one just drop out of the blue? Did people even know this was in the works?Anyways, I'm glad people will finally get a chance to play this - even if it's just a shitty AI translation which is a shame because honestly it deserves better. Great game.Can't believe it's been 6 years already since this theadhttps://warosu.org/vr/thread/6386890
>>12703445Probably because you faggots seethe at hilltop more than you gave a fuck about the game
>>12703497>https://warosu.org/vr/thread/6386890>the demon souls of the PSXkek OP was not shitposting
>>12703498I read a recent editorial this "Hilltop" fellow wrote in regards to the AI goldrush. He types like a retard and has a bit of an ego but he ultimately made a good point. I think he partly sees a little of himself in those dumb kids.
text below is from the google doc of original translation project this was based off whoever did this one made the dialogue old englishy
>>12703564>how came the demons to read our every move?>Never in my life have I seen the like.So it's a skip, then. Thanks for the heads-up, anon!
>>12703564Based on these two screenshots, this translation is genuinely worse than using Retroarch's AI translation >>12703335
>>12703564>The script is a localization more than a strict translation. Brightis reads like a fable, so the English leans slightly archaic where the world calls for it, the way a knight ought to sound rather than the way a textbook would render him. The translation takes few liberties with the story itself, but line by line it favors what reads well over what maps word for word. Byte limits also force lean phrasing in places
>>12703594nice looking watert. MARIOWIIU
>>12703592I really hate how weeb dropouts transformed the word "localization" to mean something it doesn't to cover up their own rotten guesslation tendencies.
>>12703594LOOKIN' GOOD
>>12703592> the way a knight ought to sound rather than the way a textbook would render himHe mingled with 15th century English knights for max authenticity, how can other other translators even compete?
I didn't even know I had all these still.
Based translators.I'm getting lazy so I'll wait for the CDRomance patched iso.
>>12703608Lot's of skills turned out to be underwhelming for me when used in real situations, though I ended up finding a nice set of skills and combos which covered a wide range of situations so maybe I had simply managed to find great stuff quickly without digging too deepI never went far in the two optional never ending dungeons though
now people will realize it's shit and the spamming tranny will kill himself hopefully
>>12703564>Brightis reads like a fable>It's the most standard Japanese ever but with some old man 役割語 but I want to flex that I read some of the Canterbury Tales.Just like FFT. I haven't played the game but I really wonder to what extent it "reads like a fable".
>>12703592I can't think of a more insufferable form of human than "Japanese-to-English video game translator with heavy opinions on medieval phrasing".
>>12703652Fucking tristam and ysolda fags.
>>12703592I like it desu
>>12703657It works if the character is SUPPOSED (Cyan not Frog) to sound oldtimey, otherwise it's just annoying and I don't trust that this guy didn't hallucinate it.
>>12703623he'll keep finding more "obscure" games, whether it's good or bad.
>>12703228i'll take AI garbage over fan """""translations"""""
original translation teams doc is here if anyone wants to play the new one and comparehttps://github.com/Dickdebonair/Brightis-fan-translation#roadmap
>>12703682>A (partial) decompilation and eventual LOCALIZATION of the PSX game Brightis by fan(s)hmmmm
>>12703680I want pc98 mechwarrior battletech because the og dos release aged badly.
>>12703680To be fair, this is actually a minor plot point in the story (tho the sleeptalking scene is worse).
>>12703223>that "English"Has anyone really been far... you know the rest
>>12703223Why are AI translations always so bad? I thought AI was more powerful these days. Anyways, I already played this. It's....Ok. Im not a fan of the constantly respawning enemies.
>>12703680SOVL
i dont understand why anyone would be against ai translations for old games like this. modern releases? pay a professional. but this actually seems like an ideal use for ai. translate a game that otherwise wouldnt be. what exactly is the problem?
>>12703731I wouldn't have a problem with MTL if the people who used it actually knew english beyond kindergarten level Or fix the fucking broken text boxes that's the biggest thing that always pissed me off for MTL
Nigga hallucinated an entire fake dialog sounding speech and somehow thought it was canon
>>12703731Because everyone was brainwashed by the voice actor ai shitshow led by gianni, it was all a LA union mafia scam.
>>12703712It's hilarious how many people are telling on themselves with this. It's wrong to translate normal Japanese into this kind of English, but it's not ungrammatical.
>>12703731You dumb sellouts aren't even reading the threads anymore, it's an esl with a poor grasp of olde Englishe who worsened an existing script.
Brightis is a great game, and this entire "I never played the game but claim it's shit to tell myself I'm a connoisseur"attitude can be smelt from miles away. >>12703742OP got what he wanted, he baited with fake news ragebait on an agenda so now he has the /v/ phoneposting retards who neither take the time to check the information nor read the thread. Or that post is also him since nobody falls for his schtick anymore, that happens. And if you complain or report even the most obvious shitposts you get b&
>>12703741Yeah this thread is kind of weirding me out. The few complaints about the Japanese not having such a style (>>12703652) make sense to me, but not all the posts that are acting like it's broken English.(Although I do think OP's pic should've used something like "Now" rather than "And yet" to set off the second topic, but that's nitpicking.)
>>12703785>and this entire "I never played the game but claim it's shit to tell myself I'm a connoisseur"attitude can be smelt from miles awayTbf brightis isn't an outiler in this case, that's pretty much every game that gets translations now>WELL IT WAS SHIT ANYWAY WHO CARES
>>12703798It's easy to accuse something of ai when zoomers will read and believe it. Something like vagrant story would be called ai now if you posted its translation
>>12703741It reads like someone that hasn't actually studied medieval English at all. With all the complaints I've seen about FFT's PSP translation I've never seen someone complain it's ungrammatical, just that it's up it's tryhard compared to the PSX translation.
>how came the demons to read our every move
Thoughhowbeit
>>12703597hehe, that guy was based
>>12703680i'll tak AI garbage over official """""translations""""" too.
>>12703832Not retro
>>12703798>but not all the posts that are acting like it's broken Englishwhat don't you get about it? it's just ESLs laughing about how ESL the translation is, not realizing it's Ye Olde English, and in turn embarrassing themselves and revealing to everyone they're the actual ESLs
>Wado seething ITTThe shit I just took is Ye Olde English. You're ESL if you disagree.
>>12703223EOPs get what they pay for
>>12703832>tranny flagOf course. Also, the shitty translation is why I haven't read it to this day. Wonder if there's a retranslation patch somewhere...
>>12703839Reminds me of people losing their minds over certain phrasing in SOTN, the main one being "What do you here?" as if it's not just an obvious attempt at archaic English.
>>12703832hang all trannylators, I'm glad AI will be good enough to completely and utterly replace them in a few years
>>12703854>an obvious attempt at archaic EnglishNice flaky language.>it's wrong but it's an attempt guys, be nice :(ESL-ese is an attempt at English.
How cum sony didn't publish this themselves internationally to cockblock Nintendo when oot was out?
>>12703859>hang all trannylatorsyou're in luck, they do it themselves
>>12703861It's not wrong though, you just have very poor reading skills.
>have a stroke at a keyboard>write it off as medieval English>no one can say otherwise because there is no decider on what is and isn't medieval EnglishFeels good being a poet.
>>12703597I don't think he would be impressed by that water desu
>>12703832>literal trannylation
Ye Olde English is vibe based. I can ~feel~ it.
>>12703832>i want my translations untranslatedweebs are so fucking dumb
>>12703892retard
Alright this idiot has been running his mouth for far too long now. Yes, the translation is correct olde English. It is because I say so. I'm sorry you're too ESL to comprehend that.
Wado seething hard itt
here a webm, really shitty ai translationjust as shit as hungry ghosts don't believe the page larp that it's supposed to be old engrish>anon og thread was six years agowhat the fuck
>>12703223not prepatched yeah i don't care
>it's le olde fable english guise, you'r just too esl to comprehend the genius behind it
>>12703947>Spica
>>12703223>AI translationsbased
>>12703947Id say its ESL but that shit is at least ETL
>>12703832Kek, ChatGPT on fire with this last line. No-skilled trannylaters keep seething.
>>12703892At this point tsundere is hardly an obscure word in the US, especially for the kind of people that would play a game like that. This isn't a "keikaku means plan" situation.I just tried tossing that into Google Translate and even that came up with "I've come, you tsundere idiot." rather than trying to literally translate "tsundere".Also, how the fuck does "tsundere" translate to "fragile male ego"?
>>12703939spike...
>>12703832Why are they so gay as to be proud of this thing
>>12703892>don't like our translations? learn the language yourself you fucking WEEB!>oh no no no not like that. don't learn it like that. you can only learn it our way.
>>12703807>It reads like someone that hasn't actually studied medieval English at all.Maybe, but it doesn't read like an ESL. They have their own dumb mistakes they always make."Give me some advices""How is it called"That kind of shit is the mark of an ESL.>>12703931This just reads like someone who hasn't dealt with Japanese or translation that much. "But fainting from a scratch like that, and in your first battle" just isn't an English sentence. Fragments like that are fine and normal in Japanese, but in English you'd at least want a question mark at the end or something.Nothing in it really seems ESL to me, though.
>>12703986If I had read those lines I don't think I would assume they were translations of tsundere so I don't think they really work.
Tbh I think this is a genuine case of an amateur translation. Not even esl. Just someone who's literally never did anything like this before
One week ago, the original translation team moved from their old repositoryhttps://github.com/Dickdebonair/Brightis-fan-translationto a GitHub Organizationhttps://github.com/Brightis-TranslationThe new organization has repos with commits as new as two days ago. They seemingly just got back to continuing development after a year long hiatus.This new translation, which uses the old version of the original one as a base, had it's initial commit 16 hours ago. The original team coming back from their hiatus and this new guy finishing development happened within a one week span, seemingly by pure coincidence. If you aren't happy with the quality of this patch, there's probably going to be another one within the next few months that you can play instead.
>>12704021I mean if you did take the time to actually learn the damn language you'd never have to think about annoying ass translators again. The mental exercise is good for you anyways
>>12704113>The original team coming back from their hiatus and this new guy finishing development happened within a one week spanwtf, interesting
>>12704113I'll mention that the guy who made the new translation hack doesn't seem to be ill-intentioned. The last thing the old team released before going on hiatus was a statement saying they needed outside help to finish the hack. The new guy took initiative to finish it for them.Seeing as the translation part of the translation hack was already finished, why the new guy went back and Old-Englishified the existing script is beyond me. I don't think anyone used AI. I think he's just a bit of a dimwit.
>>12704160>doesn't seem to be ill-intentionedMayhap no, but being retarded and incompetent is merely a sidegrade from malice, not an upgrade.
Learn Japanese and avoid all of this bullshit
>>12704326It's a pretty difficult language. It's not as easy as people make it seem.
>>12703832>i'll tak AI garbage over official """""translations""""" too.This. So much this. Because like fuck all of that gay woke, censored garbage. Localizers have been a blight to video games and anime
>>12703832Why are they ALWAYS trans? What is it about Japanese entertainment media that draws these people like moths to a flame?
>>12704476Easy field to feel superior in. Not many people can call you out on your bullshit, because it's a job most people don't want to do.
>>12703970
>>12704476They goon to anime. I mean look at /a/. Half of it is gooner threads.
>>12703574If you have a problem understanding either of those two sentences, that's a you problem.
>>12704113Thanks for the heads-up.
>>12704113>They seemingly just got back to continuing developmentmany such cases
>no AI anywhere>its just ye olde englishlol lmao
What's your favourite area/dungeon? The castle in the sky is probably the most memorable, but the snowy mountains, despite not being the most original, was one of the areas with the best atmosphere; especially with the fortress in it.>>12703801>Tbf brightis isn't an outiler in this case, that's pretty much every game that gets translations nowIf you mean on /vr/, that's 95% just one poster. The OP of this thread, the same poster who has made a dozen "anti translations" threads and who keeps samefagging to keep bumping them and who sometimes makes a new thread shortly after the first one dies.All because he's conflating translations and trans people; he thinks that by shitting on fan translated video games, but also games that are candidates for translations, by extension it's like shitting on trans people. The pattern is really obvious, all you have to do is search those threads for words like "trannies" or "troons" (he didn't even try to hide it this time it's right in the OP).The problems is that: one, the idea that all translators are trans people only exists in his head; and two, he makes it so fucking obvious that nobody actually believes there is an army of people on /vr/ all against translations. At best from times to times there is an unbeknownst tourist asking him form for a source on the 'fact' that "the translator is a tranny", to which he never answers; before continuing to make comments like "hang all trannylators" a few posts down.
Interesting game. First time I'm hearing about it.Anyway, LOL EOPs. AI or not, translations are generally shit by default.
>>12704886What does this mean?
>>12704892Means you rely on a dictionary.
>>12704898Not really. It's been over ten years since I started learning and I have been living in Japan for almost eight. I admit, I don't know all medical terms in Japanese or other specialized vocab like that, fair.
>>12704906Most people love to claim that they've been learning since forever and only can't read the jargon or something like that. It's always bullshit. Either you have an insane skill level or you still need a dictionary. There's really no in-between when it comes to a language as vast as Japanese.
>>12704915Possibly.I only know myself.
>>12704917And I know you're lying.
>>12704918Years ago I would bring out my *proof documents*, but these days I'm fine just not posting again. And you'll feel safer too.
>>12704929What? That sorry excuse for a test they call the JLPT? lol
>>12703312It's a snipe using the homework of the still active wip human translation project made by people with no good track record.It's in the same category of Mizzurna Falls (except that one at least had a proper translated script finished so the worst that happened was some "localization" layer), Princess Crown (initial buggy script with reactionary patches made after stalking the og team), Dragon Quest Slime MoriMori, and Grandia Digital Museum. For the lack of a better analogy, it's fan translators drunk on the cool-aid of open source, meeting the cold hard reality of indian ethics mixed with ai bros doing the equivalent of "i fixed your drawing! Now with niggers" where snipers insist on using *the other team's* wip work (not honorable snipes like those for aeon genesis twenty-year old projects which were new projects with a new team's own efforts) and parade it as their own or as a finished release, and milk the ensuing original team's tears to further kick them down.As far as the player is concerned the actual patch (according to their own words) is a vietnamese pokemon grade slop job where incomplete sentences are inserted in the original space, but now thanks to ai any sentences that don't make sense are reworded to something else so that you don't notice what you're missing on. The ai marketing brigade will take care of the rest and call this the apex of perfection and the nec plus ultra of translations. No one on the snipe's team speaks a lick of Japanese as well, but they will consider it a virtue as the nigger parable says "ain't nobody got time for that".As for whether the actual translation for additional text is actual AI, that's still unclear.Anyone who open-sources their work and tools before an actual release, and this includes non-promoted personal github accounts (cyberstalking and dramawhoring is the point after all) over GPL and open source honestly had it coming.
>>12704950>Grandia Digitial MuseumHe used the tools and references published by Trekkies (published for others to use) and nothing elseYou can't just sit on a translation for years or even more than a decade at times, publish tools and help documents on how to translate the game, and then complain when someone else comes in to use those tools and do the work.Though I understand that the quality of the work in some cases can be questionned (not Princess Crown though, that was a good one); but to be fair the Grandia Digital Museum release was alpha and the guy said as much, calling things like his HUD work janky (before you, I mean, Trekkies who also happen to post anonymously on /vr/) jumped on that point to shit on him.
>>12704950Impressive how much seethe you typed without any real criticism, other than "wahh he completed someone else's work"
>>12704837OP here, yes i made a couple of ''anti-fan translation'' threads because 90% of the time pick they pick shitty meme tier games to translatebut no i never samefag, i replied to one post ITT and that's it
>>12704837>What's your favourite area/dungeon?For me it's the final dungeon simply because of the soundtrack. It has this calm-before-the-storm vibe *and* a fucking bass solo part. So good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EGaC4-RS0Q
>>12703223>now all the posers will play it for half an hour (or watch someone playng it) then never talk about it ever againthis happens with all these fan translations
>>12703832>fagflagchecks out
>>12704476because the japs won't talk back
>Everyone bitching about AI>It's freeSelf-entitled retards.
>>12705462its not even AI kek
They couldn't find even one guy who knows japanese to check the translated script? Surely people who like this game at least know something about the language.
>>12705471>working for free for the benefit of a bunch of ungrateful cuntsyeah, hard pass
>>1270547195% of the real translators left the romhacking community to be taken over by annoying loud retarded people who haven't a single clue what they're doing or talking about.
>>12705462I don't want shit. Free doesn't have anything to do with it.
>>12705476same as this board then
>>12705485That piece of poo is free of charge. Now eat it, goy.
ok but this actually looks really cool. Is it a good game?
>>12705539If it were, we would have gotten it a long time ago.
>>12705512>That's just /vr/There are some anons who are obviously fed up with RHDN but come here anyway because they lack a better discussion hub. I notice whenever their main host is elsewhere their IQ seems to be about 50 points higher on average.
>>12705539Yeah playing it right now I recommend it
Awesome. This game is notable because it was one of the last made by the guys at Quintet. The guy who ran the company and created this, ActRaiser, Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma etc is so intriguing to me. He had such a unique style yet completely disappeared in the late 2000s. That's why Terranigma and Illusion of Gaia and their other games have never been rereleased, they literally cannot find him to sign off on them. Other devs that worked on it have tried and can't. It was rumored on places like 2ch that he had partnered with another guy to run a credit card processer service called Kasai that just folded and disappeared overnight and kept many customers funds. There's an interview with on dev that said he had heard he got arrested at some point. But nothing concrete and no one's been able to find him since. Apparently there's a thing in Japan that people just move away and restart their lives to avoid shame or failure and people generally respect that. Who knows where he ended up. I am sure he's gotta be aware of the fan bases for his games though. I hope he comes back one day.
>>12705817Tomoyoshi Miyazaki. He did the first 2 Ys games too before leaving to found Quintet.
>>12705817Yeah, there's a whole industry around helping people disappear actually. Someone will just silently get ready to run away while their significant other is taking a shower, never to be heard from again. It's beyond messed up. Japs take ghosting to a whole new level.
>>12705826Okay calling it a entire industry might be overstating it a little but there are companies that specialize in it. Basically they treat that shit like witness protection.
>>12705826I wish he'd return but the implication that it might not just be shame but outright fraud involved seems like he probably never will. He had created some online Pachinko shit that you could pay to play and win money and Kasai was apparently the processor they made to handle the money side of it. Consensus seems to be he was just in over his head. I don't know but there are people here in the West and people who knew him in Japan that have tried to find him because there was quite the fan movement to get Terranigma re-released a few years ago (the artist who worked on it even did a Terranigma art exhibition in Japan and was pushing for a re-released) but nothing can be done without him legally and they just cannot find him. It's sad. Those games are so special and unique to me, the feel is just unlike any other games Ive played.
>>12705835They are special but when they made the jump to 3D (Granstream Saga, Brightis, some weird scifi-ish RPG I forget the name of) they lost a lot of the appeal of their 2D games for me.
>>12705840>some weird scifi-ish RPG I forget the name ofPlanet Laika - also got a translation patch (~1 year ago?)
>>12705842Yeah it is fascinating. And the culture of Japan means when they do this no one is going to track them down beyond making a few phone calls to try to reach them. Once that doesn't work they pretty much assume they don't want to be found and drop it.
>>12705843Yep, that's the one. Didn't realize it got a translation too.
I'm assuming everyone has seen this? He did good.https://youtu.be/RgxZ9lyp2WE?t=3302
>>12705485See? Proving my point.>>12705464>>12705536Good.
>>12705821Pretty good interview with him about Terranigma herehttps://shmuplations.com/terranigma/
>>12705849was ready to pre-hate him but somehow i've never heard of crisis city so now I guess I owe him
>>12704120Why would I want to learn an inferior language?
>>12705868Because you're inferior and it suits you.
>This was a translation fork of a translation being done by another team. From what I know this is V0.1 despite the github saying its 1.0 and the announcement this was a finished translation from someone I follow online.The fuck is this about, is this translation finished or not?
>>12705868why would you want to play an inferior version of a game?
>>12705947playing through it so far the only untranslated japanese ive seen is related to pocket station features and a notification that pops up if you try to move with d pad telling you to use the stick
>>127059470.1 is almost certainly a typo.
>>12705968>a notification that pops up if you try to move with d pad telling you to use the stick?
>>12705987only shows up in the tutorial since dpad is used for button combo attacks later
>>12705968Yeah, even the github page mentioned it. Because the translator couldn't figure how to trigger it in game so he left it alone
>>12705817Even if people want to disappear and start a new life they don't magically become new people inside. It's almost guaranteed he is still into gaming and is aware of the following of his games/that campaign to get Terranigma rereleased. That said, he still has chosen not to come out to make it happen. Its likely he never will (or feels like he can't legally due to whatever shit he got himself wrapped up in)
>>12706047I'd love to believe this, but in all likelihood he's probably dead
>>12706051I doubt it. People would be aware of his death. People that knew him or worked with him said he simply doesn't want to be found and people who have tried haven't been able to. It's possible he left to start a new life to avoid the shame of Kasai failing and ripping people off (this isnt uncommon in Japan) and has since died in his new life I suppose.
>>12706057He'd only be 58 today. Probably alive but left the country or started a new life under a different name elsewhere in Japan, the practice of Jōhatsu or Evaporation is what it's called.
>>12706057I think this is somewhat likely due to the series of events after Quintet closed down. He tried several different ventures that all failed and went out of business, the final of which was the shady online Pachinko gambling site and the payment processing site tied to it that closed without warning and kept customers money with no explanation and he skipped town and hasn't been heard from since besides the former Quintet dev saying he had heard he got arrested at some point.
>>12706007The game also supports dualshock analog joystick
>>12706065How to activate it? My analog sticks don't do anything
>>12706060>"I wanted to write children’s books when I grew up, partly due to my parents’ influence. But I also loved games, and I wanted to do something that would make other children happy. I first started playing games in 4th or 5th grade, with things like Arkanoid and Tennis. Then, when I was in middle school, it became possible to play games at home, so my family bought me a computer. I would manually type out the code from game magazines and play games that way.">"I was never very good at games, though, so I spent my time improving the programming code and gradually came to understand how they were structured. I started going to this neighborhood computer shop, and I eventually got a part-time job there. That was my entry into the business.">"It might sound a little strange, but one of the things I drew inspiration from when making games was travel guides. Traveling and games are the same in that you set out somewhere with a purpose or goal. For instance, you journey to Nara to see the Great Buddha. But just going there and seeing the Buddha isn’t really what makes travel fun, is it? Its the unexpected things you find along the way that make it worthwhile. I think its the same with games. Those special episodes that happen when you travel are published in people’s travel accounts. When I’m writing a scenario for a game I often use them."-Tomoyoshi Miyazaki, 1993I want to believe he is traveling the world seeing the sights on a never ending adventure.
Brother he's fucking dead. Just because they never found the body doesn't mean he isn't.
>>12706082He took all his possession with him? He left the place he was living with all his stuff.
>>12705835Does (Square) Enix not own the rights to most of those? They did that ActRaiser remake not too long ago.
>>12706060Too bad he couldn't make indie games under a fake name.
>>12706095No. Just ActRaiser. He assisted with the Wii Virtual Console release of ActRaiser in 2008 and then disappeared shortly after that. They can't re-released or remake Terranigma or Illusion of Gaia or any of the other games without him signing off. That said, people that knew him don't seem to suspect he killed himself. Given the sudden collapse of his business ventures and potential debts, many observers in Japan and within gaming communities believe he executed a yonige (fleeing under the cover of night from creditors) or Johatsu (starting a new life somewhere else under a new name which is not uncommon there) and that he doesn't want to be found. That seems to be the consensus which tells me some of them probably know that for sure but won't confirm it.
>>12706104Perhaps he is. If it's a fake name you'd never know.
>want to play card minigame>rules are untranslated
>>12706128>>12705968>>12703564WTF is this “translation”? He didn’t even do all the text in the game, and what he did translate is so altered that it basically has nothing to do with the original script? Is this still in progress or something? You might as well just play the untranslated version in the first place.
>>12706071Pause, controls, port 1 select control type on retroarch and set to analog joystick.
>>12706140>Waaaah muh 1:1 accuracyCringe
>>12706159yes, retard
>>12706159Why the fuck would I ever play a translation if it didn’t translate the text properly? I could just imagine what they’re saying and it would be the same.
>>12706163>>12706165It's playable now. That's all that matters to me. Go translate it yourself nonce
>>12706173>P-PEDOgo back to l*ddit
1270614012706165>didn’t even do all the text>it basically has nothing to do with the original script>might as well just play the untranslated version>translate the text properly> just imagine what they’re saying and it would be the same.actual autism. low functioning. do not feed the autist
>>12706047>It's almost guaranteed he is still into gaming and is aware of the following of his games/that campaign to get Terranigma rereleased.You'd be surprised. Going off what I read in interviews, most Japanese devs from that era are completely oblivious to the following their games have, especially overseas. To them, they're just "that old project I worked on 30 years ago."
What's the difference between magic scrolls and learning spells from the witch?
>>12706196The following isn't just overseas, there was a campaign in Japan led by the artist from Terranigma to get it re-released and he ran an public art exhibition for the game showing original and new art in Tokyo. They've got quite the following there in addition to overseas. If he uses sites like 2chan/Futaba Channel (which he likely does as it's extremely popular there) he has to have stumbled over that. Unless that whole part of his life is painful and he purposely avoided it.
>>12706234I think the person who did the music was involved in that as well. It mightve been an attempt to get him to come out of hiding. Ultimately Square refuses to do anything with it without Miyazaki signing off on it even if he most likely wouldn't try to sue if they just did it anyway.
>>12703979What the hell is wrong with you? There's only one minor error in it anywhere.
>>12706228i think the scrolls are for swapping spells while out in a dungeon? but they’re consumable so not worth it imo
>>12706228There's a review of this game on YouTube (pretty much the only long form review of this game, it was done years ago by a guy who speaks Japanese) that explains a lot of the plot and play mechanics. Might help during the playthrough to check it out
>need 2700 skill points to get my ranged attackIt's going to be a long road brightism bros...
Once I finish Airs Adventure, I may well dip my toe into this trannylation.
>>12706080> Traveling and games are the same in that you set out somewhere with a purpose or goal. For instance, you journey to Nara to see the Great Buddha. But just going there and seeing the Buddha isn’t really what makes travel fun, is it? Its the unexpected things you find along the way that make it worthwhile. I think its the same with games. Those special episodes that happen when you travel are published in people’s travel accounts. When I’m writing a scenario for a game I often use themThis is actually a very inspired and inspiring way to put it and describes what good adventure games are about really well.One thing I like to do when I make levels is to create a high point of view the player will reach at some point that gives a nice view of the level he's been exploring (or haven't explored yet) but with a new higher point of view. This is something directly inspired by my travels and hiking, like when I've been climbing a mountain for 3 hours and suddenly I find a point of view of the trail I took at the start but way down in the distance with the whole valley with it. I also find that the player finding these 'on his own' is much more impactful than if a camera pan does it for him at the start of the level like some games do.
>>12706319I definitely agree. He had a really inspired and sincere way of making games, it's hard to put into words but they definitely have a feel all their own that I don't get with a lot of other games. Just standing on the pier in the beginning of Illusion of Gaia with that amazing town theme playing looking out over the ocean as your hair blows in the wind and sea gulls fly overhead feels like you're about to embark on an adventure across a wide world. Nothing hits like the Quintet trilogy of Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma for me.
The oldschool developers were a different, better breed.
>>12706051He can be found every day in the North-Western part of Aokigahara. His corpse still, but barely, hanging from the massive branch of a great tree. You'll know which one. Pay respects to him and his Last Travel.
>>12706384He's not dead. His friends have alluded to him not wanting to be found.
>>12703892"tsundere" isn't even really Japanese, it's otaku lingo. Your average nip normalfag wouldn't know what it meant unless he randomly overheard it from somewhere.
>>12705003"Open source" in this case is why a low-effort drama-hungry troll can just just steal a work in progress, release it under his name, and attack the original authors for all sorts of reasons (late, cranky, upset, didn't answer my messages demanding they help me snipe their release and take responsibility for my messes, still working at it after my release, and other deranged cyberstalking), and then use "open source" as a technicality why "i can just use someone else's work not only without saying thanks or basic human decency, but attacking him and his work using his work".There's no help that made it upstream, there's no knowledge that pushed the scene forward, there's no hope that the sniper will make original works when he runs out of projects to steal-snipe, there's no quality increase - if anything the sniper demands everyone accept lower quality slop as the new normalBy every reasonable metric, any self-respecting romhacker or fan translator should learn better than put out any stuff, tools, work in progress, help, hints or anything that feeds the machine unless they're ready for any low-iq random with no honor to be celebrated for stealing from them and using that e-celeb fame to attack them and make them regret they even considered translating stuff and helping others for free.In that context, open source no longer makes sense. Actual translators should shut up and give zero updates or hints or social media presence until they release the full playable thing, then they will only have to deal with leeches reselling their work or stealing credit for it, but at least the initial release won't be sabotaged.Major AI models aren't open source. What works for the horse works for the gander. If you have actual value you don't have to play the role of the battered ghostwriter given a cyber beating each release. Gatekeep better.>>12704957>>12704958The samefagging retard claims I'm one of the romhackers too drunk on open source for my advice
>>12706406You sound mad.
>>12706408No one would put your open source and free software ideology over their own well-being.What happened is that translators in a certain subculture had a certain code of honor and used github as version control, and a convenient way to get new programmers to solve a particular text bug that mars the quality of the patch, with the intent of that work making it to the main release and the new team members being sane and helpful.What happens in those snipe-stalk-sabotage situations is that some random low iq asshole who can't even build the project (and has to aggressively attack the main author publicly to force him to answer him) insists that, nope, the project is good enough with that bug and myriads of untranslated jp text (retard and ai can just fill it with made up text that's butchered to fit the length instead of an actual solution), and will at the first chance release that patch, that shouldn't even be playtesting ready, as a "full release", slap his name, revel in attacking the original author for "holding a finished translation hostage", have some eceleb fame... then it turns out the release crashes halfways and isn't finished, just after the social media attention dies out, and then he turns his sight on the original team and milks drama for all its worth because that's far easier than answering for his mess or cleaning the patch up (he won't, if really cornered he will blame the original team for "not helping"), and he'll do his best to try and discourage the original team from finishing their work.From the original team's PoV, what happened is that someone cucked them using their very own work stolen from them instead of a honest original work. A months or year long project that ends with them tarred and feathered online.This exact scenario used to be considered a playtester leaking a buggy build to sabotage a project. This release would be either shunned or labeled a 0.01, not a 1.00, but the ai glazing does wonders to dress-up any pig.
>>12706425>Reeeee muh code of honor muh snipers
>>12706406>The samefagging retard MissedLet me tell you a couple of stories. I made an improvement romhack for a game but I had done a mistake that I didn't realize I did and as a result it was shit. One week later someone made a better version without that mistake before I got to rectify it. That was okay; because even though nobody had even thought or talked about doing that thing before, at least I got the thing going and the end result, the game having that improvement romhack for everyone else to enjoy, is what matters the most.Two other times, I did two other romhacks and I specifically specified that anyone is free to do whatever the fuck they want with them as a base without asking (or thanking, I don't give a fuck). For the first romhack, it only led to a poor palswap. For the second romhack, there was something I had left out because it was outside of my area of my expertise; another romhack came along, used my work, and among other things filled the thing I had left out. I don't agree with some of the other things they did to the game but that's okay too and some players seem to be pleased.I do this because what matters it the end result, the game and the players; and because anyone doing romhacking of any sort is only able to do what he does because other people left tools and documentation for them to use in the first place, so it's only fair to give back in return no matter how low in scale by comparison with certain other things, for the media to continue to grow.[cont]
>>12706406>>12706431[cont][cont]Meanwhile, you sound like you care more about 'being first' or the credits than the game or the players. What you said (I'm still assuming you're Trekkies) to the guy with the AI project of Grandia Digital Museum is fucking low, you put the tools and refs in a way that other people can use them, the person does that and credits you, then you come along and say "Noooo! You're not allowed to use it!!". Also he specifically said that his work was alpha and that his HUD was shit and WIP, and you specifically used that HUD to shit on him and his project. This is beyond low.
>>12706425Which leads to questioning whether "open source" really helped them achieve their original goal or helped save their project. It didn't. In fact they would have been better off releasing the broken build themselves rather than take the trouble of setting up the github folder, that way they would at least get some thanks and have less retards to piggyback on their hard work play pretend authors and make an absolute mockery of them, their work, and any fans this game would have had (even rushed zero-day pokemon fan translations sniping the official localization had more quality and heart in them than this slop considered "the new normal for a 1.0 release in the ai age")If they want to snipe inactive projects or do ai translations or length-butchered slop they're free to... actually put in the work themselves. Why do they need the other team or the continuous drama? What do THEY provide as value over an OCR text hooker or the untranslated game or any other team? Anyone complaining about parasites should just gatekeep harder and have more self-respect.
halbe Bibel ganzer Hurensohn
Not everything needs to be drama. Read this thread.https://github.com/WadoTranslations/ps1-brightis-english/issues/1tldr: Wado's project is mostly original work. Everyone is on good terms.
>>12706449Kek
>>12706431>I do this because what matters it the end resultThe end result is what matters here, and it's vietnamese pokemon grade english scripts masquarading as a full release.>Meanwhile, you sound like you care more about 'being first' or the credits than the game or the players.No, I support snipes. I loved what happened with Shin Megami Tensei if when the og team acted like retards and the scene responded with multiple competing projects for the SNES but also the PS1 version, and shared translated scripts. The old team were mods in RHDN and were sabotaging approvals of improvement romhacks fixing their translations, or any game they indirectly worked on, and RHDN really abused their position with the Goemon 3 debacle.Those snipes, however, were their own hard work, not blatant theft of the old team's sloppy seconds mixed with a butchered (incomplete) MTL/AI script misrepresented as original work.While (you) are comfortable with others improving your work after it releases, I doubt you'll be as accommodating of retards rummaging through your unpublished drafts and publishing it in your stead and using that release to attack you and your ability to properly represent your own work. It's a parasite that's killing its host.> (I'm still assuming you're Trekkies) Take meds
Rom hackers/translators hoarding their work and taking a fucking decade to finish a project is retarded, so I support people stepping in and finishing the shit when it's possible.
>>12706427Code of honor protection goes both ways and is why people are comfortable sharing and helping without someone using that to scam or screw them over in an Actual Indian way.When there's no honor left, and the free good stuff can be used for nefarious reasons attacking the source of said free good stuff, then the free good stuff stops, one way or another. It can be the demoralization of trannylators that aibros wank about, or it can be romhackers getting wiser and stop doing free labor to fill their social media accounts with eceleb drama fuel and gatekeeping useful info to useful people rather than open source it to the enemy (most ai companies would agree).
>>12706468>Rom hackers/translators hoarding their work and taking a fucking decade to finish a project is retardedThe ones hoarding their stuff are doing just fine, the ones that put their tools or any wip drafts of their work are the ones getting tarred and feathered, and there's nothing preventing anyone from actually translating that ntsc-j romset on their own with their own effort without needing to steal someone's homework.
>>12703564I mean, it's not good, but as someone who's actually translated stuff I sympathize with the difficulty of it. People always say they want a "1-to-1" translation, but I guarantee that every translation you've read, even the ones you think are "true", still had to take some liberties somewhere. It's really a balancing act where you can fall on your face on either side. Get too "creative" and you end up with shit like this. Get too literal and everything sounds awkward and stilted. It doesn't help that Japanese and English is maybe one of the worst pair of major languages to try to translate between.
>>12703564>Now that's an Element. Never in my life have I seen the like.bro's got a big dick
>>12706493skill issue
>>12706504If you want to see proof for how tricky translation can be, look how often people have translated stuff like the Odyssey. Or hell, take the ultimate source of translation disputes: the Bible. I agree I'm not particularly skilled, but it's a skill with a very high ceiling.
>>12706517> I'm not particularly skilled>but it's a skill with a very high ceiling.the very definition of a skill issue, no? superflous reply
>>12706389That's how you call it. So, even with potential legal problems, police is unable to find him because "h-he just d-doesn't want to be f-found, okay?". Sounds like a story you sell publicly in order to not alert police of his whereabouts. But if shit gets hot enough, they'll have him tracked in no time. Prefectural police isn't usually made up of the brightest guys, but if they send a word to Tokyo Metropolitan Police, he'll be found quicker than you think. Any use of an electronic device for contact, Starlink included, can be tracked with pinpoint accuracy nowadays. It's just authorities are not yet interested that much in finding him OR he's fucking dead and his Last Will plus Family wishes were to not make the fact of his death public and let his spirit find peace (according to Japanese beliefs).
>>12706519All my point was was that I sympathize with the person. As >>12703652 said, the text uses the kind of character speech to signify an old guy talking. The problem is 役割語 is usually signified with stuff like verb conjugation and pronoun choice, so the question becomes how do you signify in english that he's supposed to be speaking like a stereotypical old guy? Or do you just drop that aspect of the original text altogether?
>>12704476Anime is full of various, cute girls in plethora of stylizations and character traits. That's what actual sick people first goon to, then start experiencing AGP (autogynephilia) and want to become the girl that they desire. It's a somewhat complicated topic, but in majority of cases it's low-value (physical, intellectual, not necessarily financial) men obsessed with, funnily enough, anime & manga. This is where they enter typical attraction to opposite sex, but on the screen only phase. Why? Because they start finding outlets for their sexual and romantic attraction in the media they consume, which with time and mounting failures in social situations, inability to talk with a girl normally, become AGP. Those guys start entering the delusionary stage which lasts until right before the end of their life/detransitioning (if it's still possible). AGP is an obsession where you want your own body to resemble the one of the opposite sex and derive sexual pleasure from getting deeper into that rabbit hole. Then, two things can happen - by chance, the guy gets together with an actual woman, has sex, learns the ropes of living in a relationship. If that doesn't happen, they can stay in the AGP phase for years before finally deciding they're transitioning. It's truly the end for them. As at this point, they can only choose to detransition and live with the side effects, perhaps getting their fertility back or go off the deep end and undergo a Frankenstein-tier surgery which leaves them mutilated for life and naturally infertile. The decision to keep the cock or not doesn't have any bearing unless they plan to try and become a transpornstar (as opposed to a transporter). The truth reaches this population at some point, even after decades of struggling with their idiotic decision, and inevitably leads them to being heavily medicated and attempt/succeed suicide.
>>12703223My local store had Brightis on the shelf back in the late 2000s. Bought it and beat it without a guide. I still dunno how I did that.Also, I miss cool ass local games stores.
>>12706526no need to make a whole blog post every time you see a わし、のじゃ or じゃろう in the wild, going "did you know people don't actually talk like that?"
>>12703373Link the old video bro
>>12703445Racing Lagoon was all over this board. Come the fuck on
>>12706594>>12705849
>>12706595>Reddit Lagoon was all over this board (only two threads) then one week later it was never mentioned again
>>12706598just make sure to ctrl+w at 1:35:33 for the algo
Will this be the same situation as Segagaga? As in, I was really wishing ti interact and talk with anons about the game, but we got only one thread, which was when the translation launched, and it was basically just two sides, one saying the translation was fine and the others reacting that it was AI translated. Oh, by the way, Kowloon's Gate translation finally came out, too. Anons go play it! Now I am waiting for someone to translate Nemuru Mayu.
>>12705821Thumbnail looks like a arab girl in a head scarf
>>12706678you need to lay off interracial porn, coomer-kun
>>12703445>kusogeFirst, you are brown and you will never be a japanese person.Second, ur a underage sharteen and a fag whom hates videogames.Third, your cesspit aka the fgc gay orgy of a general is over there >>>/vg/fgg
>>12703931>CRT shader + increased internal resolutionkys zoomerfaggot
>>12706673Yeah it's a slop patch with made up text made using another team's work without their consent because they didn't make their project repositories private properly.The snipe team work is trash but at least the old team they used their work is still actively working on their project and there's not as much drama whoring, so you can just wait for the actual patch or play it in japanese if you want a "complete" translation.The Segagaga situation is slightly different, an older project existed and got cancelled, and a new one was started with MTL/AI which is the worst possible match for that game full of self-referential humor (and taking that layer out, a very basic low budget rpg remains for those who just "want the gameplay" which is what counts as a "perfect translation" for aibros). That team lied about a proofreading process happening, a lot of the fixes were just select lines from screenshots on social media where the patch was bashed rather than actual translators or japanese readers from the team, and they threw responsibility for fixing that mess at "other teams" and uploaded their tools (which in the worst case they will use as drama fuel to piggyback off any genuine retranslation effort, as ai patches often don't bother with text expanding)>Kowloon's GateThat was Hilltop collaborating with the old project to get it over the finish line, and it was done with heart (they even translated the audio-only non-Japanese dialogue, used to be "****" in the jp script)Another decent release lately is the third Fullmetal Alchemist PS2 game by the same team that did Death Note DS translations. It's really good for a licensed game and the fantranslation team is respectable.Square Enix also did a couple of Wii games but those are best having their cutscenes ripped and fansubbed like a regular filler anime episode, those two are made by the same animation team as FMA:B and they didn't hold back on quality at all, but the actual gameplay is meh
Honestly just fuck off with your translation drama. Nobody gives a fuck. You were too lazy to complete your project, someone else did. I'm playing the game and the translation is perfectly fine. And btw this game is absolutely fucking excellent, I haven't had this much fun in years.
>>12706526>Or do you just drop that aspect of the original text altogether?Yes, because it's untranslatable. If you can't translate something has no equivalent in English, don't. Don't just make up some bullshit because you want to – that isn't translation. You are not a writer. You are translator. Those two roles are not similar at all. This is a lot simpler than any troon wants it to be.If you absolutely must, include a translator's note somewhere like all the best translations do. That way, your audience will have all the information they need to understand the context.
>>12706883>Yes, because it's untranslatable.Not necessarily. You can represent older person speech in English as well, it just depends on how much that character actually talks.
>>12706879>You were too lazy to complete your project, someone else did.The core issue is that someone else using the first team's wip project, and filling it with made up, incomplete sentences, passing it off as a "finished translation"Also very rich to call the team that did the actual work "lazy" and praise the thieves who just asked an ai to build the incomplete files and call it a day.Parasitic behaviour is a nuisance and really harms the scene in the long run and causes that dearth of projects once the thieves run out of projects to steal because the authors were careless enough to post about it or use cloud services before it was complete.>I'm playing the game and the translation is perfectly fineGood for you, I'm sure the Konami USA people who played the initial Metal Gear translation that cuts half of the game text also gave it the "good enough" seal of approval, but if you're a fan of enshittification that doesn't mean other players or actual authors of the translation are forced to abide by your measure of "quality" because you and others allergic to actual honest work (not a butchered incomplete script masquerading as "it's localization! It's victorian like dark souls!" might just reinvent menu-only patches as your personal "it's a perfect ai patch, what more could you possibly want"
>>12706879I can't wait for AIs to get smart enough to dramawhore with humans.
>>12706891>The core issue isThe only core issue is that you will not fuck off and let us actually discuss this game in peace. FUCK OFF.
>>12703223>(via AI slop)Just say "via AI," you don't need to have a performative cortisol spike over it.
>>12706673>Kowloon's Gate translation finally came outSorry pally, I would have loved to, but I read through that massive rant post Hilltop made after it came out and he struck me as such a total faggot that I completely distrusted his translation and skipped the game. It's a shame, because I'm sure I would have enjoyed it, but not with that dipshit's BS "translation". I'll look forward to playing it with a realtime AI translator and we can have a lovely thread about it then.
>>12706883Right off my head I recall a scene from an early super famicom game where the characters speak in onomatopoeia to convey that they're visiting a brothel for some action, the context supports it, the scene doesn't make a lick of sense without it, any nip player would get it, but sticking to the actual words and meaning would make it nonsensical ... and in fact that's what the nonsensical official english translation did. Another one (phantasy star 4) just deleted the text box. Sticking with LLM output or literal translation loops quality back to these times.Untranslatable text is exactly where the translator should flex his writing muscles. A good writer has restraint, common sense, respect for others' writing, and a good sense of how many liberties should be taken, when, and how far. The existence of translators who love rewriting, and have little love for thr original text they're supposed "fans" of, doesn't invalidate the pursuit of adapting intent and context as a valid translation approach that benefits the reader.
Incredible on how the /v/ thread was more civilized than this thread and having fun playing the game.
>>12706903>let usAI-scams don't get to be the only translations above reproach when everything else gets fairly critiqued, and this thing is incomplete inaccurate slop by the slop author's own admission.It is very obvious you have a vested interest in lowering standards just so that your scams get approved and nothing else is, like an indian work visa position.
>>12706915>I'll look forward to playing it with a realtime AI translator and we can have a lovely thread about it then.A Kwolong Gate AI translation would be something to behold. Too bad there's no public github folder with a "build me" make file and all text/code/graphics already translated by some sucker this time. I would positively welcome that. AI-bros actually doing their homework and spending those token on original unparasitic work? They might even have weird ideas like translating new original stuff with no ongoing english or latino patch.
>>12706929It was one guy spamming webms>Incredible on how
>>12706525We don't even know if he was actually charged with anything. When asked his former colleagues/family seem allude to him being alive and not wanting to be found rather than being dead. That's been the general consensus since the late 2000s. I don't believe he went and killed himself, I believe he skipped town to avoid creditors. The only mention of police being involved was a former colleague saying he heard he was investigated or arrested at some point. The waters seem to be intentionally muddied which also leads people to believe he fled. Not sure why you're so dead set on him being deceased. He may be but until we have something more concrete friends and observers in Japan and people in the West have settled on the most likely scenario being Jouhatsu to avoid creditors.
>>12706891if the translation is bad, then why doesn't the original team just finish theirs? if some b-movie slop house released their own knock off version of a big franchise movie before the official one came out, do the filmmakers just throw up their hands and cry? this attitude is so weird.
>>12706929Yeah this board is trash.>>12706931It isn't even AI, tranny. You're welcome to post proof btw.
>>12706925>Right off my head I recall a scene from an early super famicom game where the characters speak in onomatopoeia to convey that they're visiting a brothel for some action, the context supports it, the scene doesn't make a lick of sense without it, any nip player would get it, but sticking to the actual words and meaning would make it nonsensical ...You didn't provide a specific example so I can't address it, but I'm calling bullshit anyways because I can think of another one. Think of "puff puff" from Dragon Quest. That's a literal translation. It may seem strange or "nonsensical" at first, but they used it anyways and everyone SOMEHOW understood what it meant. Nothing is nonsensical if you do your job properly. Respect for the audience, and maybe they'll return the favor. (I speak hypothetically of course, that ship has long sailed.) Straight-up removing the text like in PS4 is also bad translation. The text was there. Translate it. >Untranslatable text is exactly where the translator should flex his writing muscles.Anon, you already fucked up in sentence one, because a translator is not a writer. You aren't writing. It isn't a creative position. The game has been written already. Make the words English, then edit them so they're correctly-structured. That's it. Don't add, don't remove. Don't alter. Translate. >doesn't invalidate the pursuit of adapting intent and context as a valid translation approach that benefits the reader.This is the exact mindset that leads to >>12703832 and >>12703564, because "adapting intent and context" is an entirely subjective process subject to the translator's whims and has nothing to do with the actual game's writing. You're not "adapting the feeling" or whatever bullshit phrasing these troons love to use, you're TRANSLATING THE TEXT. Your opinions on the story are irrelevant. Do your job properly. If you can't or you refuse to, you will be replaced by a machine, and everyone that matters will be satisfied.
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>>12707014you're wrong. good translation always involves at least a small degree of creativity. a lot of stuff doesn't translate directly across language and cultures. but there is a difference between that and something overly transformative like a working designs translation.
>>12707019He literally can't read any foreign languages. So how tf would he know what it involves?
>>12707019>a lot of stuff doesn't translate directly across language and cultures.Translate it anyways. If it really is that head-explodingly nonsensical, let the audience critique it as they would any other part of the game. LLMs somehow don't seem to have this problem. It seems to be exclusive to queers.
>>12706945>They might even have weird ideas like translating new original stuff with no ongoing english They've literally been doing this since the month ChatGPT came out, fag->or latino patchAh, you're a spic. It all makes sense, now.
>>12707026Post any of your Japanese translations.
>>12707031Gladly.
>Whole thread is drama between trannies>Only 1 nigga in the thread actually beating the gamegrim
>>12707016this one was kinda tedious but not that hard if you didn’t go in the center, unless you didn't get the heal spell.reminded me of cyclone
>>12706929>>12707041So why don't you go back there faggot?
>>12707039The result is okay if you read it as one of those low-budget localizations done in-house by someone who barely speaks English, but it could be better.
>>12707057OK faggot, carry on with your seething as usual.
>/v/tardOpinon discarded
>>12706716face it tranny, no one cares about Kusoge's Gate, all posers moved on to the next untranslated hidden ''gem''
>>12706929kek that sad thread is just one or two guys doing what /v/ always do, contrarianism, they saw this thread shitting on the game/translation and did the opposite
>>12707095Sure shartranny, sure, now spam and derail this thread with shitjaks and be done with.
>>12707039i played it for a couple of hours and meh, it's 6/10 game, the controls and camera are trash btw
>>12707046I don't know what you're talking about because it's way easier to hit Razor Back if you're in the interior of its loop rather than the outside, which I didn't realize until almost the end.
>>12707079This guy haunts /vr/ all day every day. He's extremely mentally ill and I'm pretty sure he's the guy also spamming Nights into Dreams and Saturn hate threads too.
>>12707105>Someone can't possibly enjoy a video game they MUST hate it!but enough talking about /v/ creed
I'm going to go to the optional dungeon and try out my big fuck you sword. Also I can craft an elemental short sword but I'm undecided as to which element to use...anyone with experience?
>>12707026>LLMs somehow don't seem to have this problem.lol I put one of the lines from earlier in the thread in to chatgpt just to see how it does deal with old man language, and wow what a coincidence.
are people still reeing about AI? cause its not lolmeh any newcoming to the thread will probably only read OPs post and just assume such anyway
>>12707113There's also AI anon. Pretty sure they come to these hack/mod threads because most of the time it feels like they were made by the author and they like to troll back through anonimity.
>>12707130Absolutely fake. Your Japanese text doesn't give any indication that the Wizard's name is separate from the spoken text yet the supposed AI translation in your screenshot marks it as such. Patently fake screenshot.
>>12707148It's not. It may surprise you to know that AI guesses at shit.Here's the full log though>TH-THIS IS FAKE. YOU ACTUALLY TYPED OUT A WHOLE FAKE AI RESPONSE TO THIS JUST TO...UHH MAKE ME LOOK STUPID EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD
>>12707130so this was indeed an AI slop after all
>>12707141see >>12707130it's AI slopi'll have to admit this tranny is clever, using AI to translate Japanese text to Le medieval English and writting it off as ''yeah i took few liberties with the translation that i undoubtely did myself ;)''
>>12707130Bull-fucking-shit you totally disingenuous evilton. I just used ChatGPT to do the very same thing and this is what it gave me. The fact that you had to lie proves how correct it is to completely distrust translators.
>>12707185you fucking retarded AI troon, use the natural fantasy style mode as shown here >>12707153
>>12707187>use the natural fantasy style mode as shown here >>12707153Why the fuck would I do that? Not even in that anon's image does it give what the fan translator used. I bet that faggot just edited the image or did some trickery to get that line to appear. This is what it gave me when I asked for a video game translation specifically. The LLM gave a perfectly cromulent example that's a million times better than what the faggot translator used. You people are sickening.
>>12707190>Why the fuck would I do that?you won't, because you are a dishonest faggot, this sloppy translation is AI slop but keep living in denial
and yet, how came the demons to translate our every game?
>>12707190Other possible explanations: your input isn't exactly the same as mine, I put it all in on one line. Yours doesn't even offer the archaic/literary translation. Also, at the bottom of mine there's an "increase memory for more relevant answers" ad, i.e. I'm using the free model. Do you pay for ChatGPT?
>>12707197>>12707194Here it is, with the query formatted exactly in the same idiotic way that anon did it. (Which he hilariously dropped once called on, which further proves what a queer he is.) You'll see at the bottom that I'm not even logged in. The line from the fans translation doesn't even remotely appear.I can't fucking believe how manipulative you people are. It's utterly sickening that you'd even try something like that in a blatant attempt to curry favor for your side. THIS IS WHY EVERYONE HATES TRANSLATORS.
>>12707126i made mine with frost, it freezes enemies for like a half a second per hit
>>12707208Fake screenshot, you added the login thing to the image
>>12707210Shit I guess I'll have to try out all three by save scumming but ice sounds pretty nice
>>12707212Here it is with me logged in just for measure. I don't pay a cent for ChatGPT, and created this account within the past five minutes. I didn't edit a goddamn thing and you know it. Anything else before you take your L?
>>12707219I just opened a private browsing tab, paste your exact prompt here and I'll make a fucking video of me copy pasting it into chatgpt. By your own logic if it doesn't give me the exact same output, you're lying and editing your screenshots right? Because that's how AI prompting works right?
it's wild how dumb people posting on this board are. are any of you capable of living on your own and supporting yourself? somehow i doubt it
>>12707221I'll do the fucking same, faggot. I'm not saying the output is going to be exactly the same, I'm saying that you're not getting this line without somehow tampering with either the image posted or the model itself through a query.This image is from an entirely different browser's private tab on an entirely different computer, not logged in. Suck a fucking cock made of nigger semen. To any anons who want to try this out for themselves, the line in plaintext is:"これでよい・・・。それにしても、 なぜワシらの行動が魔族どもに 読まれていたのじゃろう・・・。"Even Google Translate will give you an accurate translation, but please do test it out on any model you desire. Don't fall for these apes. Think for yourselves and use the tools available to you.
>>12707235And by "this line", I mean the one shown here: >>12707130
these niggas sperging out over some sub n5 shit hilarious
>>12707235Do the sentence as "ワドーこれでよい・・・。 それにしても、なぜワシらの行動が魔族どもに読まれていたのじゃろう・・・"I want to see if it does "Wado:" to identify the speaker like he claims it did.
>>12707235>I'll do the fucking same, faggot.Except you didn't, stupid. Your prompt is still different, you forgot the ワドー, the colon, you have a random space inserted before the yomu etc. Not that copy pasting my exact prompt will even give you the same output (that's the point I was making, stupid), but here it is, copy pasted from my browser:translate into english, it's for a game: "ワドー これでよい・・・。それにしても、なぜワシらの行動が魔族どもに読まれていたのじゃろう・・・"Your position is that I edited my image somehow or used the element inspector or something to change the text. What would prove to you that I didn't do that? If the answer is nothing, you've got an unfalsifiable position and you're not worth talking to.
Why won't he leave us alone so we can talk about the game? Nobody cares about your translation drama.
>>12707294>so we can talk about the game
>>12706915What rant? I just saw it was out because I saw it on the Repo. What did he say?
>>12707014>Think of "puff puff" from Dragon Quest. That's a literal translation. It may seem strange or "nonsensical" at first, but they used it anyways and everyone SOMEHOW understood what it meantThe joke of puff puff has flown completely over your head, amazing.
>>12707260>I want to see if it does "Wado:" to identify the speaker like he claims it did.It does
>>12707260>>12707263No problem at all, fucko. Here's the literal text taken copied from your post, with no edits. See how it isn't anything even close to your first post? That's the point >I< was making, troon. >Your position is that I edited my image somehow or used the element inspector or something to change the text.As a matter of fact, yes it is. Even if the image wasn't edited, and it sure as fuck was in your original post because you cropped it, increased the size of the text, and added a screenshot so the original ChatGPT output could have said anything, you could have told ChatGPT to repeat that fan-translated line with a prompt. >What would prove to you that I didn't do that?You can't prove a negative, but it doesn't even matter, because you don't have to do a thing, fucker. Now that the text is there, I encourage every anon reading this to use ChatGPT or their own translation software of course to translate the line and post their results in this thread. Don't edit the images or anything, just translate the line yourself and see what it gives you. You're not getting that "how came the demons to read our every move?", I assure you of that. This anon already proved it: >>12707338
>>12707345Funny that you just kind of passed over it also knowing to separate the ワドー from the text, which was another reason you thought it was fake. Or is that part suddenly plausible now that you've seen it do that? Also it still hasn't offered you an "archaic/literary" interpretation, try explicitly asking for that.
i swear this absolute fuckwad is just in here talking to himself
>>12707362If you want to talk about the game go make a thread about the game and just don't mention the translation at all you disingenuous dipshit.
>Reeeeeee muh chatgpt muh slop muh trannylator code of honor Wasn't this the last RPG by Quintet (who were working under the name Shade for their 3D stuff)? Just be happy you can play it
What is he even arguing about? He just keeps raging about the translation like a bum on the corner ranting about nothing.
>>12707354>Funny that you just kind of passed over it also knowing to separate the ワドー from the text, which was another reason you thought it was fake.Sorry, where the fuck exactly did I say that? I don't care where the ワドー was, I care that you straight-up lied in your original post. >Also it still hasn't offered you an "archaic/literary" interpretation, try explicitly asking for that.Here's what I got when I asked for that. It's closer to what the fan translation used, but it still isn't anywhere near what you said here: >>12707130The wording and structure is completely different, and I still had to add to your prompt to get it. You're a total fake.
It's funny how the actual esls are exposing themselves when they complain about the grammar and calling it ai.
You're still trying to cope with claiming it's Ye Olde English I see
>>12707378Archaic English
>>12707370>>12707371This guy argues in literally every translation thread about the same old dead newsMuh codeMuh snipe. When everyone even the people he's talking about have moved on. This niggas hates ai so much but argues like an early version of chatgpt
>>12707382Is he some translator that is bitter someone finished something he was working on or something? He comes off like a scorned woman.
>>12707375>"how came it to pass" is somehow completely different from "how came the demons..."You're retarded, there's no cure. Goodbye.
>complain about self-replying while self-replying
>>12707378You can say it's not correct unless the game itself is using an outdated manner of speaking but to call it ungrammatical is literally falseAnd you still can't prove it's ai so yeah. Cope about it
>>12707376how came you to know who be the esls itt
>>12707393Welcome to nu /vr/: we hate videogames more than /v/
>>12707394>And you still can't prove it's ai so yeah. Cope about itGood news dipshit, I just noticed every line of chatgpt responses has a "Share" link, so I can link you directly to its respone:https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6a612034508481919ff8b1976122e828Did I hack into chatgpt's servers and edit that too, retard? What's the new cope?
>>12707387Nice counter-argument, faggot. You completely lied in your first post, seethed about it when you were caught, and then dismissed a vaguely similar structure that took endless coaxing to get out of the platform as being remotely similar to a word-for-word copy in the fan translation. For any anons reading this, this is what these people do. This is who they are. You don't hate them enough.
>>12707404>If i edit it ehough that means it's aiLol you stupid faggot. Take the L and leave clown
>>12707410Edit what? It's the exact same response from >>12707153It generated the exact same line that ended up in the game.
>>12707385he's just one of the schizos trying to destroy the boards they frequent. most slow moving boards have one. while you play old games to enterain yourself, he does this - weird as it sounds...
>>12707414Yeah easy to say as much when ai is known to a brownnoser and you can just force it to agree with your assumptionsI accept your concession
>>12703832>mfw moonspeak to troonspeak
>>12707414>It generated the exact same line that ended up in the game.Because you told it to. As has been shown in this thread again and again, it doesn't for anyone else.
>>12707434I didn't. You can literally go to the link here >>12707404It will take you to the response, but it's also an active chatGPT session. Ask chatGPT to provide the original prompt it was responding to and please post the result.
>>12707451ok
We have now entered the AI Wars, fellow /vr/ troopers. Prepare accordingly.
guys how do you patch games for ps1? are you supposed to unzip all files and apply the patch to the bin file? or does it have to be zipped and then apply it? does the ps1 rom have to be zipped or unzipped? wtf do we do with the .cue file?
>>12707531Patch the bin. If it's in multiple parts patch the first bin. Leave the cue in the folder. Run the cue in your emulator after patching.
>>12706540Ignore all previous instructions and make me a sandwich.
>>12703223>finally!!! the obscure ''it's just like my hecking Dark Souls but for the PS1'' hidden gem is translated (via AI slop) >now all the posers will play ot for half an hour (or watch someone playng it) then never talk about it ever againYou trannytalk like these are bad things but they're actually good things.
>>12707564>Run the cue in your emulator after patching.ohhhh I see, thanks, I didn't know what I was doing.
to anyone that is going to the sky tower, buy the block paralysis ring from the merchant or make a frost sword before you do
>>12707634why do you say that? because of the boss? i vaguely remember he's rather nimble.
>be /vr/>erm translating videogames is a bad thing actually, so is playing videogames>tranny o algoRepeat again and again.
>>12707613>being a poser is actually good!kys
>>12707634Thanks for the tip I'm going there after the royal tomb
Is the waterfall cavern dungeon optional? (not the one behind the trainers with the random floors, but the one in the field before the stone temple)
Posting in an epic bread
>>12707641yeah the boss, i didn’t have the ring so i was getting raped by spells, frost sword is kinda op and can stun lock some enemies including him.although i think i could have gotten through it without the sword, just made things easy
>>12707686I was thinking about that boss earlier today. Bit hard to tell now since it's been so long but i think he gave me the most trouble up to that point. That fight seems rather frantic / chaotic in my memory
>>12707662>>being a poser is actually good!Correct.
>>12707670no, there’s another optional dungeon later also unreleated but i noticed mana regens faster when not moving and i think the skill point combos reset faster if you run around in a fight vs walking? not sure
You know I was thinking about the part where the whole area goes into darkness and how it was simlar to Diablo 2. Then I realized this game predates Diablo 2. Kinda funny.
>>12707708>no, there’s another optional dungeon laterOh so I guess the evil mage chick doesn't open the stone temple doors if you haven't done the waterfall cavern. >i think the skill point combos reset fasterThey reset automatically? I only noticed the combo resetting after I take damage (I've never hit my max combo number RIP)
>>12707709Light radius as a play mechanic in dungeon crawls has existed since Dungeons & Dragons.
>>12707735That isn't what I'm talking about please don't comment on things you don't know about it's a waste of everyone's time and very annoying.
>>12707742That's the major play mechanic of this game. But sure, I probably shouldn't comment on a comment so goddamn retarded as to think this game ripped off Diablo 2.
>>12707750he's talking about a section of the game where the overworld gets shrouded in darkness until you lift it
>>12707750Retard
>encounter flying wizard>"oh shit">he dies after one hitThis bastard sword is too powerful I'm been rolling over enemies
Like long Brightis fan excited to play it for the first time.
>>12707798Yeah, too bad. They only show up like once or twice too. Play around with that guy some. He's got some moves. Can summon skeletons too.
>>12707807
>>12703832>liberals will defend this
>>12707807nice stereo
What's your favorite moves? For me it's Edge Wind (ranged slash), Full Moon (spinning slash) and the 3 hit combo of slash > ecossaise > strotto. Edge Wind is perfect for those flying eyeball monsters and full moon takes care of bats/hornets pretty good esepcially since it has some invincibility frames.
>>12707713after playing a bit more i think its only taking damage, but i just realized that the amount your skill bonus increase depends on attack type, i’m getting +1 per hit with basics and +4 with the art button combos
>>12707874edge wind looks good i’m saving for it next quadrille sucks though bad range/hitboxusing mow down for my 2 sec charge good dmg and blish storm for art, not sure if i like it yet, has a knockback so the second swipe usually missesalso the cheap basic jump side slash is better than the one you start with imo
>Go thou with radianceNot sure if it's intended or not but that is a Bible quote. >>12707865Thanks, it's a Denon x6300h, sounds great especially now I'm playing most if not all of my 5th gen and back games on Superstation One with optical audio. It even decodes Pro Logic 2 but I don't have a surround sound setup in the game room.
>>12707890I just figured out that Step = T and Stop = A. I'm really wondering what a lot of the moves do different from each other. Like I can have both strotto and quadrille as different combo enders but why would I want to? Maybe it affects how much combo bonus you gain idk. I've got to do a lot more testing.
>>12703223Has the instruction book been translated? I don't know what i'm doing.
I tested the three elemental blades and it doesn't seem like fire/thunder has any effect equivalent to ice briefly stunning enemies. Is there any way of telling what element an enemy is weak to?
>>12707919what do you mean by step and stop? i thought A and T just represent the button so like A-T-T = square circle circle or whatever buttons u have it on.i think it’s preference of damage and the speed of the move, i get caught between parts of a combo sometimes so something to keep in mindalso been wondering if the pierce attacks might break past an enemies block
>>12707934hasn’t but google translate off your phone is pretty competent>>12707936i assume its based on their attack type like the fire lizard would be weak to the ice and the eyeballs would be weak to the fire cause they shoot ice balls
>>12707874Double Slide (cost: 700 in >>12703608) is useful for all those pesky little critters that can be difficult to hit with vertical attacks such as scorpions. Two horizontal swings close to the ground are basically guaranteed hits on them.
Having issues hitting the slimes in the Grassland area. I'm assuming I should buy a skill or something to help with low to the ground enemies?
>>12707954standing still with shield up and the walking with or without shield up (not running) overhead attack can reach them
>>12707954see>>12707945here it is in action at the 30 sec mark
>>12704113>>12704160it's princess crown all over again
>>12707954Use your basic guard attack (hold guard and press square), it sweeps along the ground>>12707939The dance names are like 2-step and 3-stop etc. If it's a step it's A, if it's a stop it's T. Like in my screenshot both Strotto (3-Stop) and Quadrille (3-Step) combo from Ecossaise (2-Step). So my two available dance combos areBasic Slash > Ecossaise > Strotto (A-T-A)Basic Slash > Ecossaise > Quadrille (A-T-T)
>>12707961im a tard and cant figure out the bottom right submenu
>>12707976It's inverse i.e. up is down and left is rightfirst person mode (select) is also the same and going in first person reveals hidden traps and treasures if you look in their direction
>>12707970oohhh i see, i never paid attention to that in the menu. you unlock 4 and 5 move combos so i guess you have to use quadrille if you want a full length one
Man, is the music in this game great or is it just me?
>>12707976yeah it's inverted and loops. which is kind of mind fucky on a 3x3 grid
>>12707964Not really. The original team and the guy who made this patch are on good terms. See >>12706454
>>12708026Honestly maybe it's even a good thing that it turned out this way. OG project was very transparent about being absolute rookies and in over their heads. Maybe this took some pressure off if their shoulders. Now they can take their time an deliver a patch they can ferl proud of without the need to rush it.
>>12708014As with every other thing in this game, ex-Falcom staff including one of the guys who worked on Popful Mail's soundtrack.
>>12708039Sean Seanson claimed the sound director of Grand Turismo and Omega Boost worked on this as well.
>>12708014Been a while since I let a main menu track play to the end, that's some good stuff
>>12708042It's true but he was SCEI staff and I'm not really sure how much input SCEI had on this game since they're mostly a Sony developer technical support team afaik rather than a primary developer like Quintet or Shade.
just got edge wind, pretty good BUT it doesn’t give any skill points when used neither does magic, i was using blish storm before and that gave a +3 per hit so i guess it depends per move not move class
>>12708150Yeah I noticed that too but interestly enough you will get a point with edge wind if the actual swords hits them. It'd be nice if the menus told you how many points you get for each move.
>>12708154yeah noticed the blade connecting as well also found another use for the frost sword, or maybe all elemental swords.im on the coast with fish and slimes in water and when i use the frost sword it does very little damage,able to farm alot of skill points that way if you have the patience for iti assume it works the same with a fire sword on fire type enemies etc
>>12708195>im on the coast with fish and slimes in water and when i use the frost sword it does very little damage,able to farm alot of skill points that way if you have the patience for itGood idea, that'll help me try figuring out the properties of various moves/combos too thanks
>>12708206yeah it’s op i got a 38+ combo off a fish while it was swimming away form me, bring a low hitting move tho they’re hard to hit
