Why is /vr/ like this?
>>12724530Goldeneye and Timesplitters mogs both
>>12724543>multiple games>singular verb
>>12724530Halo has a great variety of weapons and enemies, the combat in and of itself was near or at the cutting edge of the time, and the designs were fresh. None of that changes the fact that the level design is absolutely shit tier.
>>12724530Halo is bad. Get over it
>>12724543I tried out TimeSplitters recently and that's complete bullshit.>Aiming is done automaticallyAbsolute kek. It's even more aggressive than GoldenEye's autoaim because at least there it only works at close range; in TimeSplitters you are aimbotting even at long distances. Is this what you're talking about when you say TimeSplitters mogs Halo?>Weapon pickups are annoyingYou enjoy Gun A. You have Gun B in your inventory, but don't want to use it. You want to keep using Gun A. You use Gun A to shoot an enemy dead. All is well, right? NOPE! The guy you killed was wielding Gun B, which the programmer deemed "superior" (completely arbitrary btw) to Gun A. So when you walk over his corpse and pick up his ammo, the game forcibly switches back to Gun B without your consent. Each and every time. Every time you walk over a corpse, you're left fucking helpless for a moment while everyone shoots you because you have to watch the weapon switch animation. This just punishes experimentation. Is this what you're talking about when you say TimeSplitters mogs Halo?>The AI is stupidThey don't have tactics, they don't have any self-preservation, they don't chase you, they don't flank you, they don't search the area, they don't do anything unless you approach them, they have slow reaction times, there's little tangible difference between the various units, and they all perish quickly; GoldenEye had much better AI than this. Is this what you're talking about when you say TimeSplitters mogs Halo?>Level designIt's just narrow, linear rectangular corridors on flat surfaces. There's no organic geometry, no interesting chokepoints and no depth. GoldenEye had great level design, yet its "successor" has CoD-tier level design without even CoD's spectacle. Is this what you're talking about when you say TimeSplitters mogs Halo?
Fags who say Halo has colors only played half of the game, because the other half is just dull grey facilities.
>>12724571Nice goalpost shifting. Even the latter half of the game has more color than 90's shooters.
>>12724530Doom is fast and fun and unique. Halo is slow and boring and derivative. Simple as
>>12724664>slowSo you're saying the level design isn't built around your movement speed and the player isn't making frequent decisions in combat?>derivativeDerivative of what?
>>12724664>Doom is fastDoom is designed to be playable on 386DX 40mhz PC with half screen size and fps dipping to the single digits. Carmack prioritized graphics over framerate when he produced the console ports. Its a slow ass game. Gzdoomfags and Brutaldoom kiddies need not apply.>Halo is derivativeDerivative of what? Which retro fps games had combat like Halo?
>>12724530I will forever be bitter as a playstation teen I was never able to play halo during its peak Halo aesthetics and gameplay were goated. Yeah resistance was fun but halo was the pinnacle of western culture
It's like that because it's the only place boomers can go to relive the old days talking about fucking archaic gaming mechanics and don't like the idea of another game doing something better.
>>12724672>>12724679>Derivative of what?He looks almost exactly like doomguy. Combat even in Goldeneye is far better and less repetitive. Halo is Delta Force in space
>>12724743>He looks almost exactly like doomguyBecause he's green??? The concept art looks nothing like doomguy. More like something out of 80s cartoon or anime. >Combat even in Goldeneye is far better and less repetitiveHow? Goldeneye has excellent animations, but the combat is basic as fuck.
Halo isn't even retro, but neo(fake)-/vr/ is not ready to have this conversation
>>12724743>He looks almost exactly like doomguyWat. The only thing they have in common is they both wear a helmet.>Halo is Delta Force in spaceThe tone is Star Wars for the first half of the game and a horror game for the second half.>>12724757>More like something out of 80s cartoon or anime.Anime was a massive inspiration for the art of Halo
>>12724757The Hunters are also based off pic related
>>12724530impressively low effort bait
>>12724530>if I post a disingenuous picture that makes a bunch of conclusions while ignoring all the actual context I'll get so many replies!(You)
Behold This Thread For The Pure Trash That It Is. My Name Is Nate Higgers And I Hate Strawmanning Retards Like The OP.
>>12724892>>12724910>ignoring all the actual context>StrawmanningOkay, so what makes Halo a generic milshooter?
>>12724530S tier image. People who bitch about Halo's aim assist but praise Doom of all things are completely retarded.
>>12724571The copious enemy blood makes up for any grey parts. You paint entire rooms with blue, purple, green, orange etc.
>>12724530what a dumb post
>>12725036If you're only looking at one half of picrel then you are missing the forest for the trees.
>>12724530>Slow and floaty movement>Slow gameplay>Everything feels slow>Bounce around in slow motion hosing each other with bullets>Everyone is a bullet sponge and it takes 5 minutes to kill>Not even the sniper rifle consistently delivers a 1 hit killThis is why Halo is shit
>>12726302>Not even the sniper rifle consistently delivers a 1 hit killYou haven't played the game, or you're a bad shot.
>>12726302>Slow gameplay How frequently so you make decisions or press buttons or move the mouse? If it's infrequently, that's a skill issue lmao >Everyone is a bullet sponge and it takes 5 minutes to killAll your 90's PC shooters also have a high TTK too
>>12726314>Need a headshotThat's why it sucks.
>>12726325That's how the sniper works in every other FPS: body shots do less damage.
>>12724530Updated
>>12726328Not necessarily. In Counter Strike body shots with an AWP should kill IIRC. Halo fucking sucks and always has sucked. The moment you start playing proper PC FPS is when you stop playing Halo and realize just how shit it really is.
>>12726437Also CS has entirely different mechanics that add depth, such as money and the ability to buy stuff like body armor. Plus health is non regenerating, meaning body or other shots have a probability of a one hit kill even with weaker rifles. Halo just feels like you're jumping around on the moon shooting Nerf guns at each other.
>>12726437>In Counter Strike body shots with an AWP should kill IIRCYeah, body shots kill in proto-COD. But are you really saying Halo sucks because you have to actually aim, just like the majority of 90's shooters?>proper PC FPSSuch as Halo??? Halo only got moved to Xbox in the final year of production; it started development in 1997 for Windows and Mac. Halo's design choices which console players complain(ed) about like turning vehicles with the right stick only make sense in a PC context where mouselook is your only analog input. Anyone who argues that Halo isn't fundamentally a 90's PC game reveals that they haven't even played it, and all they know about it is that you play as a pretty cool guy named Halo who kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>12726439>Plus health is non regeneratingHealth is non-regenerating in Halo too you retard kek.
>>12726468>>12726439Observe: your health does not regenerate in Halo, and you can body shot someone with full shields if their health is low.
>>12724530Making stupid baity strawman comparisons?
>>12726468Halo has regenerating armor, but not health.
>>12726525The shields are half of your HP, but technically it's even less because plasma weapons (which the Covenant use) deal more damage to shields than health. So in practice the majority of your health does not regenerate.
>>12724530Oh joy! It's my turn to post picrelAlso who the fuck calls Halo a generic milshooter?
>>12726538https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/halo%20generic
>>12726546Retards having retarded opinionsWhy am I not surprised?
Allowing 6th-generation games on this board was a mistake.
>>12724530Everyone hated Microsoft at the turn of the century. Did these people stop using Windows? Lolno, but it's a disgrace that Bush sabotaged United States v Microsoft.
>>12726658And 25 years later amerinonces still havent learned not to trust Gay Old Pedos.
>>12726647For real. It's all just shit now.Should have made a new board, called Video Games - Neo-RetroFew years from now we'll be talking about the fucking PS4
>>12726701We've been demanding /v2k/ for years, but never got it.
>>12724530Halo is everything wrong within an FPS game.The two biggest sins are health regeneration and aim assist. Having the two combined is the definition of a cancerous design and contradicts the core premisse of FPS games.Health regen: reward patience and cover over aiming skill and decision making.Aim-assist: it is self-explanatory. At least it's not as bad as goldeneye.I understand the game was designed to be as accessible as possible for new players, but it goes too far.
I thought /vr/ was better than this.
>>12726437>>12726325Do you understand how incredibly unfun Halo would be if the sniper could just one hit without a headshot? It would delete the entire fucking sandbox. Since when was Counter-Strike the only type of game that's allowed to exist (or the AWP the only weapon a game is allowed to have), Jesus what an arbitrary benchmark
>>12726741Doom has the most generous aim assist I ever experienced in a game.
>>12726770This is related to engine and hardware limitations from its time
>>12724530Halo was less limnal than the Marathon trilogy. What you had to do was more obvious, you were walled off from too many useless side-adventures, etc. Marathon you pretty much could do whatever, the computer would even taunt you if you got too distracted.
>>12726741>Health regen: reward patience and cover over aiming skill and decision makingWhich part of webm related is a cover shooter where I'm not aiming or engaging the enemy? This is on Legendary difficulty btw.In Halo, only your armour regenerates, which is not the majority of your hit points. Armour regeneration was implemented as a clever optimisation measure: IT ACHIEVES THE SAME EFFECT AS 90'S SHOOTERS LITTERING THE MAP WITH PICKUPS, only this way they could cut down on the number of persistent world objects.>Aim-assist: it is self-explanatoryThen play Halo on PC. Unlike Doom, Halo doesn't have autoaim on a mouse.>>12726786Doom was designed for mouse input.
>>12726786>DOOM GOOD HALO BAD>ok Doom bad but for good reasonsJfc
>>12724530Because it's simply not a great game, yet people who don't know better (console peeasants) hail it as such.
>>12724530PCgroids (especially id drones) are insecure dumbasses.
>>12727057>Because it's simply not a great gameWhy not?
>>12726741t.has not played the game
>>12726741>>12726786>halo is bad because of aim assist>it's good when doom does itKWAB
>>12727180Yeah Doom is a good game while Halo is shit
>>12727189How so?
>>12727180PCfats will always be eternally seething about the cultural movement Halo represents. They need to have sex or something
>>12727193Learn to read
>>12727209All you've said is a conclusion without any predicates.
>>12727224I rest my case
>>12727230Your case is "Halo bad, Doom good" without further elaboration. What do you hope to achieve apart from demonstrating your unjustified arrogance?
>>12727232>demonstrating your unjustified arroganceWhy yes
Who gives a fuck about aim assist anyways, bunch of nerds wanting to have an advantage over others just cus they practiced a meaningless skill.
>>12724530>>12726867I firmly believe Halo CE is the greatest FPS game in existence. It's near flawless. Great gunplay and gameplay in general, great physics, highly detailed enemy behaviours even for today's standard, well designed encounters, immaculate art direction, divine score, very interesting lore.... I struggle to think a game that does them better, and there's absolutely nothing like it no matter how you see it. There's a reason even after nearly two decades of Microsoft's utterly criminal mishandling of the franchise, it remains one of the most recognizeable games in existence, no less recognizeable than nintendo cult slop like Mario Pokemon and Zelda. It's just *that* good. It will outlive the legacy of the Xbox itself.
>>12727309damn based post. Halo kicked ASS and should be recognized in the panteon of FPS as a masterpiece game
>>12724530Fuck you
>>12727345another mad PCfat mad at the superiority of halo KWAB
>>12727309Yes.
>>12727353pcfats were virgins then and are still virgins now
>>12724530i played through halo ce and 2 recently and the aim assist is so fucking annoying. its so annoying the amount of times it messes up a shot because it starts tracking another target.
>>12727438Nice word salad, schizo.Halo was always boring, and now we have adults pretending like it wasn't dudebro garbage because they were either said dudebros or kids at the time.Kids will grow up and glaze their zoomer slop they played just like halo fans are now.
>>12727772>pretending like it wasn't dudebro garbageWhat part of the gameplay made it dudebro garbage?
>>12724743>He looks almost exactly like doomguyIt's worse than that
>>12727807>What part of the gameplay made it dudebro garbage?None of it, the part where the cool white kids played it together while he stayed inside alone and jacked off
>>12724743>combat in goldeneye is less repetitiveso now we have pcfags falseflagging as tendies just making things up because they're so fucking fuming over halo. this is beyond pathetic.
>>12727807Call of duty, gears of war, and halo are THE definitive dudebro games. You may as well be asking "what makes r*blox a kids game?"
>>12727901And I can answer what makes Roblox a kids game. What made Halo any more of a dudebro game than CS?
>>12727913normalfag dudebros play itthe sort that now complain about their insipid midlife problems while playing it on youtube
how long has this zoom zoom been pushing and seething over this boogeyman?
>>12727807journalists said so so it must be true
>>12727076https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS0xFJ-uf4k
>>12724571The guns literally give off otherworldly auras when you shoot them, fag.
>>12728142I forgot the 3rd cancerous Halo aspect: HUGE hitbox. "How dare you demand that a player aim precisely within an FPS game?"
>>12726658can you provide a good argument why the ruling should stand, without it devolving into your personal dislike for M$/Bill Gates?
>>12727237gigachad was a sarcastic meme. using it unironically only marks you out as a rerard
>>12724530It insists upon itself
>>12726491>you can body shot someone with full shields if their health is low.>Implying this doesn't apply to almost every shooter ever
>>12724530Not retro but most Halo fans migrated to Apex Legends.
>>12727921But enough about CS.
>>12728142>>12728153So why don't you play the PC version?>>12728280Yeah rhats the point: Halo isn't doing anything offensive in this respect
>>12728581CSfags are too busy gambling their life savings away, not quite there yet
>>12728581>>12728587kek
>>127245304chan's hateboner for halo always baffles me. It's like being forever envy because your game became irrelevant once halo took over
>>12729426Imagine being a grown man and simping for halo
