How did Sony come to dominate the gaming industry? What went so right here?
you mean wrong, they ruined videogames
Because it was the first console for adults and made nintoddlers like >12740334 shit and piss their pantsAlso, everything in its ecosystem was way cheaper than the competition.
>>12740340Sorry, meant to quote >>12740334I'm new here and still learning how the site works, sorry.
>>12740328Sony released with a lot of hype and was cheaper than Saturn. CDs were cool as shit and the upcoming N64 didn't seem nearly as neat.FF7 came out and curb-stomped everything after that. Other titles just solidified things for the PSX; MGS, Tomb Raider, Ridge Racer, Tekken, GT, THPS, RE, Siphon Filter, Twisted Metal, etc.>>12740340>Because it was the first console for adultsYeah, they marketed this too, I remember whatsherdoodle from Battle Arena Toshinden with a whip talking some BDSM stuff. We grew up on Mario but were teens and wanted some grown up shit now.
>>12740334Tendies trying to discuss in good faith challenge: impossible
>>12740328>how
>>12740390muh shovelware
>>12740387>in good faith Lol, read the OP again
Early 90s the market opened up and Nintendo was losing its stranglehold 3rd parties, technology was quickly advancing into areas Nintendo had no first hand experience with, and they were taking their time making a new system.Sega had shit the bed with hardware add-ons, East-West disagreements, and planned a new system that would be sprite-based because that was all their console devs knew how to handle despite the arcade team raking in money with cutting edge 3D success stories.Sony had a respected brand, motivation from being spurned by Nintendo breaking a collaboration in a shameful way, personal technology experience and industry contacts, a modern and cheap media format they were a leading producer of, boatloads of cash they could throw at developers and publishers and promoters, and a global distribution and production network ready to go. They decided to go for it and targetted 3D games.Their system came out early, was next-gen despite not being the absolute top-shit, devs loved it because it was cheap and simple, and customers loved it because there were plenty of good games that catered to nearly everybody.It had mortally wounded Saturn by the end of '96, and already had a humongous foothold over Nintendo who wouldn't even get the console out in Europe until spring '97. Sega couldn't pull the same early trick with the DC because the PS2 killed it by simply being eagerly awaited on the horizon by millions.New titles and early 5/5 sequels like GTA3, Silent Hill 2, MGS2, THPS3, Gran Turismo 3, would cement PS2 into an unassailable lead they would continue to build on until non-/vr/ lunacy occurs, it all burns down, and Sony America salts the Earth.tldr: Sony stood on the shoulders of giants, kicked their arses at their own game, ruled for a while, then shit themselves, and the only good vidya is /vr/.
>>12740451>raging tendie>>12740478>ai generated slopnobody is reading that
>>12740467What, are you going to seriously argue that the didn't dominate the industry in the PS1/2 era? Are you going to be this delusional and daft? Requoting: >>12740387
They owned the CD pressing factories and were able to sell hardware at a huge loss and also burn a lot of money on marketing.It's also weird seeing presumably Sony fans trying to get antagonic with "tendies" (I imagine this is a neo /v/ console war thing?).Nintendo is still doing hardware and publishing their games, the company that got nuked by Sony is Sega (they even alluded to that on Segata Sanshiro's final commercial)
>>12740481Riiiiight. British English AI slop with a horrible habit of making everlasting lists with inconsistent use of commas and deliberately missing out on big factors simply because it was ashamed of how unwieldy each sentence was.It even compassionately included a tldr.
>>12740328Why don't you read the book you posted?Anyways, one underrated factor is that Sony was already a publishing and distribution juggernaut. They could get a new product into every electronics store & department store on earth in an instant. Nintendo and Sega, especially outside of US/Japan were pretty much just luxury toy brands, Sony was the biggest electronics company on earth.
>>12740328Infinite marketing money
>>12740506>Why don't you read the book you posted?nta, but did you read it? is it good?
>>12740513That's why Microsoft won
>>12740860I own a copy, but honestly I mostly just skimmed it for details on the origins of the PlayStation hardware. It's a dry business book for the most part.
>>12740478Great post, fuck that other nigger
>>12740872>origins of the PlayStation hardware.yeah, that would be my main interest, but it makes sense that it would focus mostly on the businessanything interesting that's not readily available online? I like the work this guy does on console hardwarehttps://www.copetti.org/writings/consoles/playstation/
>>12740883well, it's known online nowadays, but I did find out that the PS1's graphics hardware was based on a TV visual effects system they made in the 80s called 'System G'https://x.com/ObsoleteSony/status/1695856678363685043?lang=en
>>12740889aha! I had no idea that was even a thingthanks anon. gonna take a look
>>12740353Sega thought toilet humor and some faggots screaming "SEGA!" were still the peak of edgy advertising. Meanwhile Sony had shit like Sonia and the Wipeout heroin junkies. I also clearly remember an ad with the chick from Loaded and her quote was something like, "Playstation is the pussy and Loaded is the cream."
>>12740937Sony was pretty much one tier of age demographic ahead of everyone else. Sega got ahead of Nintendo by marketing at 12 year olds instead of 8 year olds, then Sony got ahead of both of them by marketing at 16 year olds while Sega and Nintendo refused to give up their positions. And as it turns out, the cultural influence you get by being a hip product for young adults greatly eclipses what you can achieve by being a children's toy.
>>12740328>Best controller (especially since DualShock)>Better games>CD instead of cartridge>Could play CD music
>>12740958>especially since DualShockI guess retroactively, yes. but it was a shot in the dark, no? it was barely used in the ps1, and developers still stumbled with it for a generation or 2 until they settled on the best use of dual sticks for 3rd and 1st person gamesanyway, it wouldn't have made a difference in the success of the playstation>Better gamesit's just this, really. saturn went hard on arcade conversions at a time when people wanted very different experiencesthey even doubled down on it with the dreamcastit's funny how arcade conversions were so important for a couple of generations previously
>>12740334You mean how come AI trainning?
>>12740328>Good graphics/sound>Library was extremely diverse with something for literally everyone>Great Homebrew/Modding/Piracy scene
>>12740328Everything is explained in the book you posted a photo of... The arrival of 3D was driven by the fact that Sony marketed it much more heavily than Sega did. Royalties were set at $7, whereas Nintendo was asking for $13. The ease and flexibility of CD production made things convenient for third-party publishers (whereas Sega, even with the Mega-CD and Saturn, applied the same logic used for cartridges). The console's price compared to Sega's. The price of games compared to Nintendo's.
>>12740328A lot of things came together, basically.Sony had the financial stability to offer developers very generous terms for developing for the Playstation as a priority, over the Saturn and N64. So they did. The PS1 quickly had more games on the horizon and a constant stream of exciting game news, while the Sega and Nintendo magazines of the time were near-constantly having to make excuses for cancelled games and empty schedules (check out the uploads of Sega Saturn Magazine here if you don’t believe me).Also, in the previous gen, a new game was eye-wateringly expensive, and Sega and Nintendo weren’t shy about gouging you for as much as they possibly could. With the PS1 and CDs, Sony effectively HALVED the price of a new game. With their Platinum line, that price halved again, and 2nd hand games were even cheaper.That’s really important - parents no longer had to sweat about the cost of buying games for their kids, which was a huge deal up until then. Plus, the Sony brand was still synonymous with high-end, top-tier consumer tech, and the PS1 was affordably cheap within a few years. And their kids actually wanted a PS1, so everyone was a winner. I got my PS1 for Christmas ’97, all my friends did too, and I’ve never seen my parents so excited about a present they’d bought me. They had a Christmas party a few days later, and I kept hearing other ‘grown-ups’ talking about how good buying the PS1 was - it was honestly like Sony had liberated a generation of parents from financial racketeering. Also, 3D graphics, marketing, etc.
>>12740328marketing
>>12740328their competition was mentally retarded
>>12741152this, sega and nintendo both shit the bed that gen in addition to all the advantages sony had.not to go all zoomie alt-history, but it would be interesting to see how it would've gone if it was a fairer fight
>N64 and Saturn>You wanna develop a game for our console? Get used to weird and non-standard hardware setups that are technically strong on paper but requires lots of expertise to get much out of>$10,000 license fee, no poorfags allowed, take your indie games elsewhere>You want dev kits? You need to pay for them from us for $3,000-$10,000 each, and they are still our property, so you better return them if you ever wanna make games for our consoles ever again>We'll tell you just how many copies you'll get produced of your game, and when it will be released publicly so it won't compete with our own gamesVS>PSX>RISC CPU connected to our GPU, here's the files on it>$10 license fee, buy me lunch and we'll call it even>You want dev kits? $400, plug this card into your bitch basic office PC, boom, you have a devkit. Return it? What the shit are you talking about, you bought it.>Pick whoever presses CD's to make your games, as long as they can press the copyright protection, it's cool, make however many you want, release when you wantOn release, third party devs tended to keep their distance, since they didn't want to burn bridges with Nintendo or Sega. But before the generation was over Sony had managed to win over all the major name 3rd party devs like Capcom, Konami, Square/Enix, Namco/Bandai, EA, THQ, etc.
>>12740328Nintendo used to "audit" developers randomly to make sure they were using expensive Silicon Graphics dev kits instead of the cheap shitty Doctor v64, which had a parallel port on the back of it and could be linked up to regular computers. Devs hated having to hide their shit every time Nintendo sent their people and since Sony didn't give a shit a lot of them developed for that console instead.
>>12741168>>12741171Nintendo in particular detested third party developers. The Famicom was meant to be a console purely for their own games before Namco reverse engineered it and released games without Nintendo's consent.
>>12740478This op
>>12741063>Piracy sceneWasn't widespread on the PS1. Didn't even caused a dent. People needed modchips to even run CD-R copies of PS1 games.
>>12741175>The Famicom was meant to be a console purely for their own games That was normal and standard for the time. Only Sega games appeared on the SG-1000 as well.
>>12740328Sega and Nintendo shat the bed hard during the fifth gen. Also Sony already was an megacorp by 1994. Not really different from MS, except that PS1 is a massive success compared to Hueg.
>>12740390>Sony NEWS workstation on the rightYou're aware those were the earliest PSX devkits, right?
>>12740328right place, right timeNintendo was overly confident that treating third parties like shit wouldn't bite them in the assSega was fighting among their inside departments so they sabotaged themselves by releasing an obsolete on release addon and a frankenstein consoleEveryone else was fucking up even more spectacularlySony just made an easy to develop with enough freedom and benefits for even small devs to get money
>>12743184Is grammar on the decline
>>12740328Sony>that fun kid who liked everyone and wanted to be friends with everyone. He wasn’t selfish. He shared his toys and wished everyone well. If everyone was happy, he was happy too.Nintendo>that selfish kid who wanted all the attention while looking down on everyone. He was constantly jealous while trying to control everyone. He never let anyone play with his toys.Sega>that autistic yet fun kid who was very smart but lacked the mental stability to participate in all the fun activities.Pretty much this analogy. Sony simply did the opposite of what everyone else was doing.
Nintendo betrayed Sony and they responded with their own shit and vastly superior deals with devs because the former was already pissing them off with their cartridge bullshit.The drones have been big coping ever since.Sega had good stuff but was also retarded and too busy fighting with each other and just ran out of money after the Saturn already big flopped with the Dreamcast big flopping too.Sega fans have also been big coping over Sony ever since.Xbox is made by the worst company ever and they are known for ruining everything and copying everyone. It never beat PlayStation and it never ever will.And PC gaming has always been utter garbage and has gotten a lot worse. Thank god it's dying now.
>>12740328First console that directly appealed to the third world. The majority of PS2's sales came from the third world.
>go to SGI>ask them to make a consolethey did this twice, then they asked IBM
>>12744117
>>12744043Nintendo betrayed both Sony AND Philips. So they, despite being rivals but also partners, decided to get back at Nintendo.Nintendo survives on legacy properties and loyalty and astroturf. Did you see how many OoT thread appeared in the last month here and on /v/ and /vrpg/? Hundreds.
>>12744043Sony tried to fuck with nintendo before there was any "betrayal".
>>12744148Wrong. Nintendo demanded all publishing rights worldwide, and control, right when the thing was already done (Nintendo Playstation).
Sony was already a MIPS customer, mind you, with NeWS. They provided the technical basis for the Nintendo Playstation, with input from Nintendo and MIPS which was already starting to become SGI at that point.
>>12744152What? It was sony that demanded they have world wide licensing power of all super disc games.
>>12744173Yes, all the cart games would remain licensed by Nintendo, all the disc games by Sony, all games that would use both would be split.
>>12740328Sega fucked the pooch with their geberal incompetence, internal rivalry, waste of resources, over-ordering of every product for sale that left warehouses full of waste, devaluing their own brand and customer loyalty through a dozen different abandoned expensive and short lived console expansions & systems, throwing enough developers under the bus they were blacklisted by most dev teams by the late 90s.Nintendo dropped the ball with the outrageous monetization (something like only single digit percentage of sales went back to the developers of their games), refusal to ship out dev kits for the n64 to those willing to get fucked up the ass financially, cartridge based limitations in a cd world, a console that was so ass backwards development was a struggle, and price in general since the cartridges caused the final price for consumers to hit nearly $100 a pop on some titles.Meanwhile Sony's console was dirt fucking cheap to work with, the system was easier than the competition to develop for, dev kits were readily available, the profit margin on disc sales were great, the leadership and overhead you had to deal with was welcoming and not in any way overbearing unlike nintendo & sony, and it was no surprise at all they won that generation.
>>12744210Yeah thats insane for an addon to MY console. I wouldn't take that deal either.
They had a lot of money and could set an affordable price for the PS1, that's it, that's the reason, we can stop having this thread now.
>>12740328They did their homework to appeal to what all devs wanted in each region.>JapanDevs simply wanted a more powerful Super Famicom that could handle 3D graphics and CD's.>USDevs wanted a better version of the 3DO that didn't have shitty devkits, shovelware, and expensive hardware.>EuropeDevs wanted something to fill the niche left by the Amiga after Commodore went bankrupt, since IBM Clone PC's could not easily hook up to a normal TV out of the box like an Amiga could and were way more expensive.
>>12744958An add-on where you're contributing none of the new hardware, didn't develop the storage medium, aren't responsible for Worldwide printing or distribution, and are still getting paid from all hardware and software sales, plus still retaining licensing control on all games using carts even those that utilise the add-on?Enjoy your alternate deal with Phillips where you surrender the use of your biggest IPs, something that wasn't on Sony's agenda.
>>12746048Yeah exactly. Fuck off and make your own machine instead of piggy backing off of mine. It sounds like thats what you wanted from the start.
>>12746069>make your own machine
>>12746081And thats basically how it happened.
There were so many consoles entering into the '5th generation' market that ended up being complete duds. All Sony had to do was to make a somewhat competent game console that was easy for developers to make games on at a reasonable launch price.
>>12746092>giving the gameboy a worse score than the fucking cdi
>>12746108>>giving the gameboy a worse score than the fucking cdiEGM made these buyer guides yearly back then, and their console review scores only count for 1994 in this case. In 1994 the GameBoy had a pretty lack luster year outside of maybe Donkey Kong and the release of the Super Game Boy. But all the same, I could not imagine that the Philips CDi had an amazing year in 1994 either, with its' best game being Burn Notice. It was a bit weird that someone gave it an 8. The 32x was still a brand new add-on when they wrote up their review scores. It did have a pretty good launch line-up of games.
>>12741175And still, Nintendo has always kept their "secret sauce" to themselves. That's the reason of why Nintendo first-party games always look better than everything else.
>>12740943>Sega got ahead of Nintendo by marketing at 12 year olds instead of 8 year olds, then Sony got ahead of both of them by marketing at 16 year oldsSony literally marketed the original PlayStation in raves and techno clubs, they were playing in a league of their own.
>>12746108The GameBoy kind of sucked even at the time of release. The WonderSwan should have won.
>>12740328N64 was more powerful but literally 0 ways to use it. Its like having a full auto assault rifle with a 2 capacity magazine, what the fuck.
>>12740328Buying Psygnosis(devkits)Spending more money on marketing then anyone elseUndercutting licensing fees of the competitionSony just had more money
>>12744137That was Nintendo, not Sony.
>>12740503>No no you're supposed to be arguing with my AI generated slop that I cannot comprehendIt's amazing how losers of society (You) now think you're on the same level playing field as everyone else now when it comes to intelligence but people are still able to expose you as a dangerously low iq loser in 5 minutes? remarkable technology. can you post a photo of your lolcow udders? i want to see if they need milking
>>12746596The wonderswan never even left japan.
>>12747413the schizo lolcow doesn't know this. hadn't got around to looking it up on a search engine to ai generate a reply
>>12740328too many things right, the more important one: Sony's reputation of being top dog in the quality department in everything they did until that point and the mystery that surrounded new 3D games from a bunch of developers. I would say now they have everything to fail with all the digital only stuff, you have to download shit, is more expensive, controls breaking, woke homosexual gaymes, games with no mystery to them, the difference is, people are way more retarded now, which is why they will win no matter how many fuck ups they will commit.
>>12743015>when you get destroyed by one jpg>have a mental breakdownbing bing wahoo!
>>12746596That chart isnt talking about the time of release of the game boy though. Links awakening and mario land 2 were even out by then. The only real big game boy game that wasn't out yet was pokemon.
>>12747405There wasn't an argument to be made. I was stating simplified facts in response to a question posted by opNo need to get your britches in a bunch just because there were too many words in a post for you to deal with in one go.
>>12744958They would have been able to produce games for the system without paying royalties. Essentially the same arrangement Hudson had with NEC regarding the PC-Engine.
>>12740328nintendo betrayed them and some of the sony execs are sore losers. but alas it didn't last long.... PS3 disappointed.
>>12740478>tldr: Sony stood on the shoulders of giants, kicked their arses at their own game, ruled for a while, then shit themselves, and the only good vidya is /vr/.iConcured
>>12747424ai post
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>>12747440It's refreshing to see a reflection on game boy that isn't tainted with game boy. By the time Pokemon came out the DMG was already years behind in the rear view yet we treat it as if the two are interwoven.Funny how nobody mentions battery life for game gear, almost as if that's revisionism from the internet (it is.)
>>12747440The game boy had been out since 1989 and people were bored of it. One of the longest products to stay as a flagship on the market, and the GBC revision was so incremental that the Gameboy was essentially a 13 year product.
>>12746092Games journalists are full retards and almost always wrong. they rated 32X higher than the Neo Geos and Gameboy!
>>12747853It's not revisionism, everybody playing games at school or the boys and girls club brought gameboys because the batteries didn't burn out in a couple hours. And the multiplayer link cable games made the thing popular.
>>12747862You don't even get a couple of hours at school to play games.
>>12747863can you put yourself into the shoes of a parent who refuses to buy batteries every week, or even every month
>>12747869I'm well aware of how parents felt about buying batteries every week, I grew up with a game boy and game boy color. Game Gear wall adapters are as common as the units themselves. The "game gear ate up batteries" meme is from the internet and based on the fact that game gear used 6 and game boy used 4. Complete non-issue.
>>12747873the game boy runs for 20-30 hours on those batteries.
>>12747876No, it does not. These things lasted for 10 30 minute bus rides, 5 30 minute lunch breaks. By the time the weekend rolled around? You needed new ones.I was there, you were not.
>>12747862Ironically the first handheld I saw people regularly used in schools was the PSP.
>>12747885I remember people playing on a psp, and then switching to the DS later which is funnyTetris DS and Mario Kart were our games
>>12747882>I was there, you were not.I was there, you're the type of person who can't count calories
>>12747882https://youtu.be/d7hAPsvo_Xs?t=84since counting calories is hard when you're five years old meaning we can't trust a single claim you make from memory, here's a video taken from the era and obviously using of-era battery tech... 20 hours, £0.08 for the GB vs £4.00 for the GG
>>12740390>wojakSpotted the shartranny
>>12741297Anon, winning eleven fuckery outsold fifa because of the infamous bomba patches.
>>12746354Which is typical Yakuza behavior from them, at least sega did only business, nintendo is literally a Yamaguchi-gumi company from its inception.
>>12744043>snoy sharteen thinks there will be shitstation in the futureNot if micron says so.PC won and is going to survive this fuckery by going retro, and you can blame "mother sony" for this fuckery
>>12747859It's not like there weren't good games coming out for it though. You might be able to say that right before pokemon came out but not in 95.
>>12747830Not just produce but license all other games for it. It makes that at that point nintendo told them to hit the road. There would be literally nothing in it for them.
>>12748198I mean, Nintendo would have the "privilege" of producing games without paying a fee to Sony. That's the arrangement Hudson had with NEC, and the arrangement Sony wanted to push Nintendo into.
>>12748212Not really a win-win deal.
>>12747873>The "game gear ate up batteries" meme is from the internet and based on the fact that game gear used 6 and game boy used 4. Complete non-issue.I've seen you attempt this revisionism before. Sometimes you just gotta wonder why.
>>12747873>The "game gear ate up batteries" meme is from the internet and based on the fact that game gear used 6 and game boy used 4. Complete non-issue.As someone who had access to both an OG brick GameBoy and a GameGear back in 1991, this was far from a meme.The early model GameGear's have this florescent light bulb that could chew through a fresh pack of six AA batteries in less than 5 hours. It was honestly quite frustrating, and I almost had to play this thing exclusively with just a AC power cable. Sega could have probably tripled the battery life by putting in a toggle switch to turn this off. Replacing this bulb with a modern LED screen reduces the batter life by a wide margin.
>>12748648>Sega could have probably tripled the battery life by putting in a toggle switch to turn this off.The screen probably wasn’t designed to be played without a backlight. The Lynx II had a button to turn off its backlight, but you can’t actually play games in that state, it’s just to conserve battery while you take a piss without having to shut the game off entirely. Still a handy feature though.
>>12748706>The screen probably wasn’t designed to be played without a backlight. The Lynx II had a button to turn off its backlight, but you can’t actually play games in that state, it’s just to conserve battery while you take a piss without having to shut the game off entirely. Still a handy feature though.yeah, this is true. I guess it requited the backlight to be on. The problem with screen replacements for the original GameGear is finding a suitable replacement for the 160 × 144 wide pixel display.It has the same resolution as the GameBoy, but the pixels are like 20% wider.
>>12741297>Wasn't widespread on the PS1.Yeah I was young back when PS1 was at its peak and I have no recollection of any of my friends at school having burned CD-R copies of games, unlike Diablo and Baldur's Gate on PC. I didn't even really know PS1 games used regular CDs until over a decade later, maybe I just assumed they would have been some sort of proprietary disc format like what the Dreamcast had.
>>12744117>First console that directly appealed to the third world.Cope. Sega Master System is STILL being made and sold in Brazil due to its popularity there.
>>12750074Thist.phantasystarfag
>>12746360I used to buy Ministry of Sound compilations when I was a teenager here in Australia; and one of them I bought back then in 2003 even came with a demo-disc for Space Channel 5: Part 2.
>>12744043>>12744148>>12744210>>12744958The main question for me is, if Nintendo knew damn how Sony operated and all the shenanigans they used to pull, why did they accept the deal, in first place?I think it was more about the fact that some executives made the deal with Sony but some of the Yakuza-like higher ups read the contract, got severely pissed, and threaten the rest of the organization to cancel the deal as soon as possible.
They had tons of good games and it wasn't expensive. That's it, literally the only things that matter
>>12750462Probably got yamauchi liquored up and he probably figured since they were already buying sony's sound chips that they were boys.
>>12744154Sony should have kept MIPS as the main CPU. They switching to CELL was a bad move.
>>12750074really..? prove it... where can i buy one of these brazilian master systems??
>>12750462>>12750512Well, it was a matter of royalties. For starters, Sony was already supplying the sound chips for the SNES, which was a significant factor. The contract for the SNES PlayStation was negotiated by lawyers from both companies; neither Yamauchi, the Sony president, Miyamoto, nor Kutaragi were present. Consequently, it was no longer a standard supplier contract. The Sony team viewed themselves as Nintendo's partners and secured a deal that was far too favorable to them—in fact, the author explains in the book Revolutionnaries At Playstation, that even Ken Kutaragi himself couldn't believe it! In 1993, Nintendo's royalty rate was $19 per game. Sony had secured $21 per CD (games, Video CDs, karaoke)—on top of Nintendo's $19—plus control over game production, and so on. Yamauchi read the contract later, realized the problem, and cancelled the deal. Later on, when Ken Kutaragi took over the PlayStation project, the royalty rate was set at $7.50.
>>12750659Not that anon, but I am sure he is talking about TecToy, which was the company that licensed the Master System from SEGA to sell it in Brazil, but that company somehow, never stopped selling those.https://www.loja.tectoy.com.br/produto/master-system-evolution-com-132-jogos-na-memoria
>>12750713>>12750715SOVLful
>>12744117>First console that directly appealed to the third worldDebatable since the Master System, Genesis, and SNES were quite popular here in Brazil. Chinese NES clones were everywhere.>>12750074>made and sold in BrazilNot only was the Master System officially produced and distributed here in Brazil, but also the Mega Drive (TecToy), SNES (Playtronic) and N64 (Playtronic/Gradiente).The N64 was on the verge of becoming popular here, thanks to chinese pirated cartridges and rentals, but PS1 piracy was cheaper, easier and available everywhere...Some brazilian TV ads from the 90shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4cVxkvgFdYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2Jwo5TUak
>>12750713>no cartridge portsad
>>12751068>Some brazilian TV ads from the 90sThese are kino AF brazilanon
>>12751068that spinning Genesis on the corner really ties the commercial together
>>12740328CDs unironically. Anons ITT made great points, but CDs were the linchpin to Sony's success. Absolutely no dev wanted to deal with cartridges. A single CD could hold as much data as 10 N64 carts while costing 10 times less. Combine that with how shitty Nintendo treated third parties at the time and the Playstation becomes a no-brainer.
>>12752776they didn't use any of that space for anything important, anon. the ps1 only has 2MB of memory. that shit is exclusively for cd quality audio and FMV slop.
>>12752776>Anons ITT made great points, but CDs were the linchpin to Sony's success.That was more about how stupidly expensive the cartridges' fees were.>inb4 CDs are cheaper by defaultTrue, but even then, Nintendo still put horrible fees and conditions to their cartridges that it was a pain in the ass to deal with them. And worse if you wanted your cartridge to have one of the special chips from them, thus the reason of why almost no one used them and only first-party games used those.
>>12752776>>12753412Jaguar CD, Sega CD, 3DO, Turbografix CD, Sega Saturn, PC-Engine FX also huge success thanks to CD format
>>12753412Look a this>>12750709
>>12753421Sega is actually a perfect example of this. With the Genesis, they operated in the same way as Nintendo. That meant using cartridges that were expensive to produce. Production took a long time—at least a month. There was a requirement to order a minimum of 30,000 cartridges. And royalties were high; Nintendo’s were $19, while Sega—to attract third-party developers—asked for "only" $18. And when Sega switched to CDs, what did they do? Nothing. They didn't change their business model at all. So, that was the situation publishers faced with Sega... ...whereas with Sony, the royalty was $7.50, and you could order as few as 5,000 CDs with a turnaround time of just one week. That meant far greater flexibility and, above all, significantly less financial risk. Yet both Sega and Sony had CD technology. But Sega remained stuck in the cartridge era.
>>127534363do had $3 royalties
>>12753439For whom? Bandai, Goldstar, etc., didn't make any money from the games, which forced them to sell their consoles for $700.
>>12753421https://youtu.be/v-IKag_kU3s?si=unLznXfWTnozFVmo And what about load times and RAM usage? Early CD players had incredibly long load times. That was the reason Yamauchi (Nintendo) was against the CD format. Then Sony came along and cut load times in half. That’s when Yamauchi decided he wanted the SNES PlayStation. But when Nintendo turned to Philips (co-inventor of the CD), their CD player was still very slow. Their CD-i took 30 seconds just to load a JPEG... So, what was the landscape like before the PlayStation? Players were very slow, very expensive, and developing games for them was very complicated for third-party developers. The CD brought quite a few advantages. Only Sony knew how to capitalize on them.
>>12746092I think Sony having the advantage of being one of the few primary manufacturers of CDs helped in cutting costs to third parties. Developers benefit from the lower licensing fees, and the lower manufacturing costs allowed for Sony to undercut and subsidize lower prices to game players.
>>12740328Because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Gh8xrLUzISega Japan couldn't handle the reality that their hired gaijin was better than them and chose to destroyed the company.
>>12754076>their hired gaijinLiterally who?
>>12754405My uncle after miyamoto fired him.
>>12754076This is gaijin apologism. SoA's obsession with keeping the Genesis relevant until the end of time is what caused the rift in the first place.
>>12754960The Gaijins should have won the "Dreamcast Wars" with their Black Belt proposal. Imagine a Dreamcast with a PowerPC CPU and a 3Dfx Voodoo GPU. Pure sex.
>>12741173>Nintendo used to "audit" developers randomly to make sure they were using expensive Silicon Graphics dev kits instead of the cheap shitty Doctor v64This always makes laugh. N64 devkits were so shit some devs had to use some illegal hardware mods that were better and even more reliable than the official thing and to compensate for the lack of official tools.
>>12754076dogshit video
>>12743015>>12744154Sony NEWS was a top tier platform. I wish it lasted longer.
None of the PS1 games have as much soul or control as well as the N64 heavy hittersI can still play mario64 and mario kart64 today and it feels magical (felt truly magical back then)Ps1 "heavy hitters" are all janky and soulless. The only thing ps1 did better was fighting games like Tekken 3
>>12753436This is a very big part of it. Another side of this is Sony was a much bigger company than Sega. They had enough cash on hand to completely fail in the video game industry and still exist. I think people don't get how utterly huge Sony was. When they pitched a CD console to Nintendo in 1991 they were selling VHSs of a best picture winning movie and doing much better in the film industry over all, while already dominating in music field. They were ripe to become a giant media empire.
>>12755496>They had enough cash on hand to completely fail in the video game industry and still existNot necessarily. Warner was also a media empire but they mismanaged Atari so badly it nearly bankrupted the whole group.
>>12740478pretty much nailed it.the main thing missing is that >Nintendo was losing its stranglehold 3rd partiesThis very much understates the point when it comes to 5th gen. Nintendo's policies were downright hostile to 3rd party devs. Only the most dedicated and loyal 3rd parties were willing to tolerate their abuse. They got away with it in the 80s and early 90s because the alternatives were very limited. They had a effective monopoly with the NES and during 4th gen the bar for console development was high no matter which platform you targeted.>>12741096>>12741171exactly
>>12748162>PC>going retroDelusional. You're in for the same era of diarrhea as the other nu-consoles.
>>12755359>None of the PS1 games have as much soul or control as well as the N64 heavy hittersCompletely untrue.
