>>12747792
I use guides for everything. Also fuck mazes with teleporters and damage tiles.

>>12747810
You didn’t beat the game, my son

I beat a link to the past using a walkthrough

i did not care for ocarina of time

I love retro Japanese RPGs in theory but not in practice. I’m not trying any new ones anymore.

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I brute-forced the betting stub puzzle.

>>12747792
I don’t enjoy anything before N64/PSX. They’re just too old and primitive with bad graphics. And 75% of N64/PSX is the same

I've begun collecting physical PS1 games. I got 30 now.
I've not finished a single one and most of them are still unplayed. My wife keeps hogging the console and playing Harvest Moon instead.

>>12747847
You did not beat the game my son

>>12747867
Nah I replayed it like 20 years later when the remaster came out and I did it properly since I could actually tie the clues together.

>>12747792
I have never beaten a single Zelda, Resident Evil or Silent Hill game.

>>12747792
If you used save states, guides or rewind, you didn't beat the game.
Not only you cheated the game, but also yourself.
You brag about your "achievements" to others, yet deep down you know that it was all fake.
You didn't experience anything, the challenge, the frustration, the overcoming, improving your skills. You just took a glimpse of what the game has to offer, the same level as "beating a game watching someone else beat it on YouTube".
Even a crown made with fake gold, still shines from far away.
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
You didn't learn.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.
You experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
It's sad that you don't know the difference.

>>12747870
not missing much

I bought an analogue 3D and 4 controllers.

>>12747792
Here's a few.
I enjoy the ocarina of time randomizer. I do use the fast forward when moving around because the game is a slog. I've always talked about how Metal Gear Solid 2 is the best game in the series. That's because my friend hated it so I used to talk about how good it is all the time. I know nothing about it, I didn't even know you don't play as solid snake til maybe 2015 at the earliest and I've been doing this since it came out. Including online, if you talked to someone here who sails mgs2 was the best and avoided talking about why that is there's a chance it was me. I barely played the 1st 1, everyone loved it but I thought it was gay. I had to look up what to do at 2 points in Grim Fandango. 1 had something to do with the car and it turned out my logic was right I just wasn't clicking the right spots I needed to click. Another was later and I would have never beaten the game if I didn't look it up so I cheated myself of the experience. Oh well, game was just ok.

>>12747860
Post wife.

Never played the ultima games. Probably never will.

>>12747952
Same, and it's not really for lack of interest. I just always forget when I'm thinking of a new game to play. Ultima, Wizardry, Might and Magic all look fun.

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>>12747839
It insists upon itself.

>>12747792
I threw my brothers NES down our stairs and broke it because he was being a dick. He beat my ass for that.

>>12747792
My sin was being gullible and believing people saying this and that retro game is good

I never played a single Nintendo game. It's not that I hate them, for some reason I just never had the urge to play one.
Might try out Zelda some day to see what all the fuzz is about.

>>12747893
imagine being on this high of a horse over disposable products sold to entertain

>>12747792
I'm unable to properly enjoy most games with significant amounts of forced melee combat, because I find it to be absolutely awful in almost every game that includes it. Fighting games excluded, ironically enough.

I love my SNES mini console. So far I’ve used it to beat (for the first time): DKC, Earthbound, Star Fox, Star Fox 2, Contra 3, FF6, Chrono Trigger, Star Ocean, UN Squadron, and Super Mario Allstars.

I play all these games legit (no save states)

I get motion sickness playing old FPS like Doom and Quake. I’m not a zoomer, but I can’t do more than a couple of levels before getting queasy.

>>12748067
>mini console
My son, you have not beaten any of those games.

>>12748083
Fuck!

>>12748072
Zoomers gonna zoom

>>12747792
reminder it's all about your relationship with God, not an earthly organization

>>12748194
Imagine still falling for ancient jew fables

>>12747792
The main reason I play the FF games besides the cute girls is the secret bosses and that is why I preffer to play the GBA versions of the first few FF games, while I apreciate the pixel art style and fairy tale like story the fucking random battles fucking filters me every time and I need a guide for some extra dungeons.
The fucking random battle are cancer and they are why FF12 is an underpreciated master piece game play wise.

>>12748236
Ff12 plays itself

>>12748251
You didn’t beat the game

>>12747815
NTA but /vr/ has mindbroken me at this point. I will beat a game and convince myself that I didn't actually beat it.
>I beat Super Mario World on emulator and made save states between levels? didn't beat it
>I beat it on emulator only using save states to resume play? didn't beat it
>I beat it on flashcart on an actual console? didn't beat it
>I beat it on an actual cartridge on an actual console? didn't beat it
And then I'll do something like watch somebody play SMW and think "damn, I wish I was good enough to beat this game" even though I've completed it over a dozen times.

>>12748467
it's a meme

>>12748479
I'm glad. It's made me unable to appreciate when I actually beat a game completely legit. I recently played through all of the Mega Man X games and I've replayed them all but X7 since, I still consider myself as not being good enough to beat any of them despite beating all of them multiple times.

>>12747792
I use cheat codes, Game Genies and Game Sharks to beat video games with. Not only did I beat the game, I did it without game saves.

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>>12747792
I unironically think keyboards are better than controllers for NES games because you don't have to move your fingers except for up/down

>>12748072
Try adjusting your FOV

Instead of getting kids actual GBAs, I got them the Anbernic emulators and loaded em up with the best roms I could think of and some of my favorite childhood cartoons. I feel like it's better this way, I would have loved this shit as a kid.

If anyone:s curious, the cartoons are Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Fairly Odd Parents, Pokemon, Digimon, YuGiOh, Dragon Ball, Transformers, Samurai Jack, and Edd Ed and Eddy. I'm sure there's more, but you get the gist

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>>12748661

>>12747792
>I beat the original Prince of Persia but I would save state after doing a perfect run of each level so I didn't waste too much time and get the bad ending
>I beat Might and Magic 1 but I used a program that showed me a map of each area
>I've beaten many retro games on emulators and collection releases that included save states and I would rewind unfair insta-deaths and save state after good level runs
>I used UHS for many old school adventure games when I got stuck
>I will almost always play an updated remaster of a game over the original because they usually have quality of life updates the make the game more accessible

>>12748467
I beat Ninja Gaiden Black and avoided using ninpo except to cheese Alma 2 and the Vigoor Emperor. And I stocked up on healing items before the final boss. I did not beat the game.

I beat the final boss in Diablo by placing healing potions all over the ground and spam attacking him since picking up the potions will automatically add them to the hot bar when I ran out. Otherwise you have to click and drag them from the inventory.

>>12748685
>I beat the original Prince of Persia but I would save state after doing a perfect run of each level so I didn't waste too much time and get the bad ending
In the original (both Apple II and DOS) you can save in-game at the start of each level from level 3 and up, so that's not too different from playing it how it was made to be played. It's just levels 1-3 then, where you should have practiced until you could do a perfect run of all three of them in one go.

>>12747792
When I play Mario Party with people, I make sure to use a turbo controller. Then, when playing mini-games that require button mashing (which is a lot of them), I just pretend to button mash but I hold the button down and then I win. HAHA.

I've never played a survival horror game. Or any horror game.
I started gaming in the late 80s yet the only Sonic game I've played was 2 on the game gear.
I technically cheated one room in aLttP. My neighbor had a guide or maybe dial up (I didn't know what the internet was) and helped me with the invisible floor room in Ganon's Tower.

>>12748772
I was playing the SNES version because it had the extra levels

>>12747792
I discuss silent hill and resident evil with people but never played them only watched letsplayers beat them

>>12747839
I enjoyed it up until the water temple, put it down and never picked it up again

>>12748791
Ah alright, so you skipped the password input then. I personally don't think that matters that much, but I play a lot of dosbox games where everything is more convenient than playing it on original hardware back in the day (removed copy protection, no slow disk loading etc.), so technically there's probably a lot of games I didn't properly beat either.

>>12748626
You beat the game.

>>12748794
you literally didnt beat the game

>Buy retro system.
>Buy its corresponding ODE/Flashcart.
>Buy RGB SCART/component cables, country appropriate power supply and/or external PSU mod, get it RGB modded if need be, extra controllers.
>Download ROMs/ISOs and generally curate what I download, unless the system has a small enough library. Rename folders/ROMs so they don't have the [!] [U] details.
>Pull apart the console and properly clean it, same with controllers.
>Play it for a little bit.
>Put everything in it's own little storage container and rarely take it out again.

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>>12747792
I never managed to reach the Best Ending legitimately in Cave Story. Having to run through Hell, defeat the Heavy Press, then still have enough health (or a Life Pot) to fight Ballos was too much of a marathon for me to consistently practice and get better at. So I made a little mod for myself where the Hell challenge is optional.
I opened a copy of the game in Booster's Lab and made it so when you first enter the Sacred Grounds, the game asks if you'll accept the challenge ahead. Choose Yes, and nothing changes: the Counter activates and you have to do the Hell marathon. Choose No, and a new save point + refill station will appear just before the final room with Ballos, but the Counter won't activate so no timed runs for you.
I felt that disabling the timer made this more like an "easy mode" than a cheat, but I still feel like I didn't beat the game. (Which is technically accurate since you have to copy the entire game to mod it, like a romhack without a patch.)

>>12747893
nice pasta

>>12747792
Besides playing some of the hits I really haven't played anything pre fifth gen.

All people who are able to enjoy jRPGs with random encounters in current year are NPC retards
Nintendo is mental illness
/vroom/ is the most based general on the board

>>12748661
Did your kids actually asked for any of this, or are you that much of an egocentric?

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>looking up guides when lost for 10 minutes
>savescumming when taking a speck of damage
>playing on the easiest difficulty for every game
>using any cheats available (especially weapons and ammo)
>muting horror games if they scare me

Not asking forgiveness Padre, because I have zero remorse. Games are for fun and nothing else.

>>12748852
Thank you. The Game Genie & Game Shark are very useful, especially against games like Wolverine Adamantium Rage for the Sega Genesis, which was notoriously difficult without cheats.

I am a retro tourist.
Have only played the most popular games of each retro console and base the entire console by judging just that one game. I also play fanmods with 4K support and save state the fuck out of everything.
My main thing is still modern gaming, most of my time is on Overwatch and LoL

>>12747792
I didn't beat the game.

>>12748661
>I would have loved this shit as a kid.
does your kid's own enjoyment enter into the equation at all?

>>12748661
your kids are going to be at school saying
>my dad makes me watch and play all of this old shit
and they'll have little in common with their peers as a result

>>12748660
Ty anon I’ll try it

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>>12747893
>If you used save states, guides or rewind, you didn't beat the game.
Used it to beat the game? Sure. That's cheating.
If you don't use save states to train, you're a moron who likes staring at loading screens instead of getting good, though.

>You didn't learn.
>You didn't improve.
Huh?

>>12749910
developing the patience to sit through loading screens is a skill. you didn't beat the game.

>>12749910
My child, if you could not perform the function on native hardware, you did not beat the game. Repent and atone for your wicked ways.

>>12749946
You're wasting your time.
This waste is negligible when you actually good at the game and you beat it, so I have no problem with it.
This waste is colossal when you're training.
>>12749952
>My child, if you could not perform the function on native hardware, you did not beat the game
I agree and I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me?

I hate in CRPGs when you are forced to build your character at creation instead of learn new abilities and skills as you realize their importance.

System Shock 1 is better than 2 for this very reason.
No bullshit, you're in the game and your stats/skills are whatever implants and gadgets you find laying around.

>>12749961
>I hate in CRPGs when you are forced to build your character at creation instead of learn new abilities and skills as you realize their importance.
This isn't a sin. It's a fundamental design flaw of many RPGs. They're often more fun to replay than to play for the first time exactly because of that.

>>12749965
Well, it has stopped me from playing BG1 or 2, or any Wizardry, or any Might and Magic...

It's too intimidating and time-consuming to risk choosing the wrong skillsets to beat the game.

>>12749970
Correct. This just plain sucks.
>BG1 or 2
In actual DnD you can be sure that your DM will make adjustments so your character wouldn't be useless. You also can talk with the DM during the character creation.
This is why meme male human fighter with a sword is so popular: it's a safest bet. If devs fucked up even that, there is no hope.
Something like Diablo is far more superior in this aspect.

>>12747792
I was playing through the wads in the Doom + Doom 2 collection on steam on Ultra-Violence. I started using midlevel saves for Plutonia. It was too hard. On that note, fuck chaingunners.
>>12748817
The water temple was easy though. You do you mean the master quest version?

I have been save scumming like CRAZY on the new quake expansion. I just really don't like doing the same thing over and over again. I just got to the end of level 3 with the two fat lava demons.

>>12749840
>Thats a good thing!
Public school is retarded.

>>12749957
No, you cannot use save states to practice because you cannot do that natively. You practically committed adultery.

>>12750028
Let me get this straight: I pick up the controller and I beat the game.
No save states, no nothing.
And yet I still didn't beat the game?

>>12750034
You have to play it on the original hardware, unaltered, completely sober in the same year the game came out.

>>12750036
>completely sober
I admit defeat

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I tried doom1 and didn't care for it/2hard4me, I kneel xoomers I will stick to my modern era FPS

FF7 is alright but I care more for the atmosphere/soundtrack then the story, the materia system isn't worth investigating cause the game is too easy, I actually prefer the older FFs for tight dungeon design

I am not motivated to play retro GTA, I think saints row games already mogged them and do not care about modding scene of games

SH1 is a beautiful game for its polished design, horror in games is not really a thing, the SH games are all about aesthetic/puzzles/ambience

>>12750091
Shit takes all around, repent

>>12750091
>2hard4me
There's no way you genuinely got filtered by Episode 1 on any difficulty other than Nightmare

>>12750507
He didnt, literally a larp fag

>>12747815
>Using guides is cheating
Since when?

>>12751215
Since time immemorial, my son. (You) didn’t beat the game.

I love classic first-person shooter (FPS) games, but I've played them all through modern ports like GZDooM and Raze.
I'm not interested in consoles older than the NES and Master System. I feel like whatever experience an Atari 2600 game can offer can be experienced better in a later game.

>>12751243
>he can’t figure out a puzzle in a kids game
Do you wear a helmet when you game, my son?

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>>12750036
>completely sober

>>12748467
ma nigga, there's a difference in beating a game and finishing a game.
>I beat it on flashcart on an actual console? didn't beat it
>I beat it on an actual cartridge on an actual console? didn't beat it
correct.
the good thing about trolling is, that you mix in a little bullshit with the truth. makes for a real nice bamboozle

>>12747792
I love save spaces

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>>12747792
i hate every emulator that exists and dont want to play any retro games until i can make my own emulation system.
it's going pretty well so far.

>>12747857
Nigga SNES pixel art is soul, you can't play Super Metroid??

I think that Final Fantasy is a crap franchise and
99% of all JRPGs sucks. Only Earthbound and Chrono Trigger worth a play.

I love janky early 3d platformers

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>>12752209
>Only Earthbound

>>12752209
Earthbound fucking SUCKS

>>12747792
I beat castlevania by savestate scumming and I don't think I finished battle with dracula. Honestly hard to recall.

But I still beat it.

>>12747792
i decoded the game safe codes to give me the items i couldn't get in the game.

>>12750036
If you wear glasses you cheat your natural eyesight, so you didn't beat the game.

>>12750430
PS1 FF is more about the aesthetic of the backgrounds anon come see the light and the truth. 16 bit hardware is the pinnacle of needed for proper RPG exploring. GTA is what it is but was completed by other superior crime sims, I could go into nonretro examples but the GTA anons here will seethe.

>>12752335
This but funironically

>>12747839
>>12747857
>>12747870
>>12748626
>>12748817
>>12748875
>>12749026
>>12752209
>>12752275

Irredeemable reprobates

>>12748781

That's funny

My children, every year you should give 10% of your retro collection to the local diocese, to be used as they see fit.

Whenever I save scum (often) I get out the old stringbox and I play “space truckin” by deep purple the whole way thru. The difference? Instead of “let’s go space truckin” I say “let’s go save scummin”. You wouldn’t believe how much pussy I get.

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>>12751248
>Do you wear a helmet when you game, my son?
yeah

>>12752512
Holy fucking based

>>12752512
hello, based department?

>>12752512
You should be president of my country

>>12749021
>>12749809
they love it, I focused on things that they are already interested in, like my eight yr old loves TMNT and Transformers, his younger brother loves Scooby Doo and Monster Trucks.

There's a saying...if something was great, it's great forever. I chose games that i knew they'd enjoy.

>>12749840
his peers are getting groomed on roblox or watching brainrot ai videos on youtube. They'll be fine.

I don't like any metriod games, I don't like any kirby games, the only zelda I like are the ones on the wii.

>>12753241
i can relate, and i can add sonic to that list. never like any of the sonic games.

>>12751236
So I guess japanese people never beat any game since they invented videogame guides

>>12753329
Yep

>>12747792
I only play Doom with mods. I jerked off to MGS1 Meryl stretching.

>>12747792
I use guides and sometimes use savestates.
I enjoy CRT shaders and don't play on my CRTs enough.
I have sinned.

After getting 201% in DK64 with a real n64 controller and no cheating in any way, I used one (1) save state for the chunky phase of the k. rool fight because the whole fight was a pain in the ass and I had been trying to beat him all day and I just wanted to get the damn game over with.

I unironically thought the "smoothing" LOOKIN GOOD option that smudges everything in SNES emulation looked good as a teen/early 20s

>>12753442
i still play doom wads with opengl smoothing on and i will apologize for nothing

>>12747792
I'm starting to become less patient of older games design to the point where I get really frustrated and even calling the game bad, and I really don't know why that is desu.

>>12753234
You do know those kids will have nostalgia for roblox in the future, just like you do with your cartoons and videogames to the point you curate your kids' taste to match yours. You don't sound like a bad parent at all but you also seem very goofy

>>12752482
Nothing irredeemable about using cheat codes and cheat devices. They are 100% legit way to beat video games.

>>12753470
The people on here who say
>"but games don't age"
are cowards who only use that statement to deflect criticism of a game. The anons who say that shit will then say in the sane breath that you shouldn't judge a game by modern standards because they are old and do age. Be honest with yourself. If you aren't enjoying a game you aren't enjoying it and certain design decisions are either archaic or just plain bad. Saying otherwise is just you lying to yourself.

>>12747792
>>12753426

I'm playing DK64 for the first time with the Tag Everywhere mod and using save states. The game is very fun

>>12753426
i think people are way too harsh on themselves with save states. if you already went through that portion of the game you know exactly what to do and just have to do it over and over again. you aren't robbing yourself of any experience, you are just getting back to where you were quicker which ideally would have the same result as playing it "legitimately". of course if you just rewind after every mistake then that is different but creating a save state before a boss that you have fought multiple times is understandable.

>>12753442
Dude same. I'd play Final Fantasy 3(US) and be like "oh cool, you can smooth out the pixels".

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>>12747792
I respect Nes and like a bunch of the games in theory because their simplicity is part of their charm but I just don't bother playing any of them anymore. Ps1, Ps2, Sega Saturn and even Snes games have way more depth than a lot of Nes games.
I liked playing Dragon Warrior for example when I was eight but I can't be bothered to waste my time on something so bare bones thirty eight years later.

I use turbo/autofire a lot

I like to tell people they didn't beat the game

>>12747792
I'm struggling with self-worth father. I've beaten hundreds of games but I started using /vr/ recently and the kind anons here helped me realise I didn't beat a single one of them

>>12753485
games don't age. Their quality stays the same indefinitely, not like modern games that get "patched", dlc'd and microtransacted to hell and back.
If a game seems no good today, it might have never been that good, we just put up with the shittiness back then.

>>12747792
I used online maps to help me navigate Ecco the Dolphin 1 and 2. I don't care lmao.

If there's a level select code in the game and the game has game overs, I'll use it to pick up where I left off, unless I REALLY love the game and it doesn't take that long to complete.

I like to 100% so I'll look up how to obtain characters etc in games like Suikoden or Shining Force II, which is fucking impossible without guides anyway so who gives a shit

I don't care about 1CCing shmups. If I beat the game, I beat the game.

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>>12747792
I was playing Puyo Puyo CD and not having very much fun, because after the first few stages because the speed is set so high you have to plan out all your moves way in advance, and the controls are different from the sequels in a way that made me feel really clumsy and stupid, and there's almost no possibility to come back when you're losing.
I did my best anyway and made it to the final boss and the game crashed to BIOS.
I gave up and watched the ending on YouTube.

I'm sorry, Anons. I literally didn't beat the game.

>>12753470
>>12753485
>>12753624
games don't age, players do (to be sung in the style of goldie lookin chain)

>>12753729
>I literally didn't beat the game
You didn't beat the game.

Game artists whose art I think was shitty and overrated as hell:

>kaneko
>amano
>shinkiro

>>12747984
Hoo boy you are in for a disappointment. Nintendo games rely solely on nostalgia. The entire point is to bring you back to when you were a 5 year old sitting on the floor playing some brightly colored mindless cartoony slop. If you didn't already experience that, you're going to think every nintendo fan is a massive manchild (which they are).

>>12747984
>all the fuzz

>>12754156
>Hoo boy you are in for a disappointment. Nintendo games rely solely on nostalgia. The entire point is to bring you back to when you were a 5 year old sitting on the floor playing some brightly colored mindless cartoony slop. If you didn't already experience that, you're going to think every nintendo fan is a massive manchild (which they are).
Mostly agree. FC and some GB/GBC is redeemable imo

>>12753426
I’m sorry but you didn’t beat the game.

>>12747792
I have an arcade setup and when I play a JRPG, I do all the button inputs by slapping my penis on the playfield. I use my free hand on the joystick. I’ve been doing this as long as I can remember. What’s wrong with me? This playstyle forces me to make use of the female party members almost exclusively.

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>>12747792
I did not care for Doom 1 nor Doom 2, the levels left a lot to be desired

>>12748072
Are you japanese by any chance? They seem to suffer from motion sickness way more than people in the west.

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>>12753624
>If a game seems no good today, it might have never been that good, we just put up with the shittiness back then.
No it's more that children have a much higher tolerance for bullshit than adults do. Kids have endless time and less rigid expectations, so they easily forgive clunky controls, endless grinding, or bad writing. Adults have less free time, lower tolerance for artificial padding, and notice poor design flaws right away.

You can say "well that means it was never good" but I disagree, because one it kinda leads you down the road of OLD BAD NEW GOOD, but more importantly gaming was in its infancy and we just had less of an idea of what you were or weren't "supposed to do" in game design.

>>12754886
>clunky controls, endless grinding, or bad writing.
skill issue

>>12754901
Anyone who says Jet Force Gemini has smooth controls, has not played JFG

>>12754901
You're proving my point, no kid would ever say "skill issue", no kid would have a problem with these things, because kids have shit standards and oftentimes can't tell good games from bad ones unless they're absolutely egregious in their problems like Silver Surfer and his way too big of a hurtbox for the levels. They would just mindlessly play the game and not care about its quality. Shit, I remember enjoying those Simpsons NES games as a kid and those have absolutely atrocious controls in how fucking stiff your movement is, not by design but by dev incompetence.

>>12753474

Something a vessel of destruction would say

>>12747792
i never trial-and-error status ailments, i look up if the enemy is resistant to them first. end up spoiling myself on their weaknesses while im at it.

i've been thinking about a name for people who relentlessly search everything up on a wiki before engaging with the gameplay - what about "wiki gremlins"?

>>12755003
>i've been thinking about a name for people who relentlessly search everything up on a wiki before engaging with the gameplay - what about "wiki gremlins"?
Wikitrannies or wikijeets, pick your poison.

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I like to use cheats and save states on emulators to beat games

>>12747984
Oh man are you in for a treat. I can't believe never having played a Nintendo game when their catalogue is so wide, deep, and high quality. So many of their games are experiences curated by master craftsmen who know exactly what sparks joy. From Super Mario Bros to Link to the Past to Smash Bros to Super Metroid to Kirby's Adventure to Mario Kart to Xenoblade... You have so many amazing experiences ahead of you. I'm genuinely a bit jealous.

>>12755003
Games have unfortunately trained me to assume status ailments are useless for me, amazing for the enemy

>>12747792
I was one of the pirates who helped kill the Dreamcast.

>>12754994
Better for me to win, than lose to the game over unfair obstacles and difficulties, especially in Battletoads.

>>12747839
Majora's trash tho

>>12754886
>lower tolerance for artificial padding
This.
Hated this when I was young and I have zero tolerance for that now.

>>12754721
hire this man

>>12755183
That's a grave sin. You murdered the Dreamcast.

>>12755664
When I notice stupid grinds these days I just pull out the save editor or cheats.

If I have to grind in an area where I've already heard the soundtrack a million time I will mute the game and put on music/an audiobook.

>>12747792
Playstation games aged like milk !

>>12756485
>>12756541
When I said artificial padding, I didn't necessarily mean grinding which is why I listed grinding separately. I meant shit like fetch quests or giving bosses unnecessarily large HP pools to make a fight last longer.
Not retro, but I am someone who will defend the first FF7 remake game (haven't played Rebirth yet), but that game is FILLED with artificial padding where enemies both take forever to die and you're extremely limited in the damage you can do because the game is so anti-grinding that it means every boss can have cinematic phases.

I am completely fine with using save states and rewind because i play games to see the games, not to brag that i beat them. I will readily admit to being shitter if I'm not in the mood to challenge myself.

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>>12747792
I begged for my parents to buy me Sonic Gems Collection just for Sonic CD as it was the easiest way to play it if you didn't own a Sega CD, especially if you are an europoor like me.
I booted it up exactly once, played up to Tidal Tempest and called it a day. Never touched it ever again after that.

I used to be extremely picky in the games I wanted to continue playing, so 90% of the time I quit after the first hour so I could get the dopamine hit of starting the damn game. No shit I am an autist.
Eventually I picked up the 2013 remake and it actually lived up to my expectations. Got all achievements and enjoyed my time with it.

Before Sonic CD I played the other Sonic games on Sonic Mega Collection over on the PC at my grandma's house. Then I lost the disc, found it again a decade ago and couldn't run it on a laptop and its been lost since.
3D Sonic is kusoge. I have standards.

>>12749019
>All people who are able to enjoy jRPGs with random encounters in current year are NPC retards
You might wanna layoff the Tiktoks there buddy

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>>12747792
I continually have very impure thoughts about the girls in the Kingdom Hearts games.

Sometimes I don’t like the original sprite art

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I used cheats to give myself infinite money. I am poor in life, I dotn need to be poor in my fantasy too.

I save scummed playing Mega Man Legacy Collection because I'm a bad person

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I SS'd DMC 3:SE on DMD

>>12756775
so they're an aged cheese then? tasty af if you ask me famalam

>>12747792
I cheat frequently to become intimately familiar with the game, and then play through it legit to challenge myself after seeing all the game's dirty tricks or best path for resources/exp, etc.

>>12748467
lol, he forgot how to have fun. point and laugh

>>12757935
Not only did you not beat the game, you didn't even play the game and you can never retroactively play the game, ever.

>>12751248
I only wear my helmet for Armored Core.

I'm gay
when we were kids my bro sucked my dick
I steal from my local wallmarket every time I go

>>12757943
That's not true; he could develop Alzheimer's or amnesia.

I USE a save state when I play Final Fantasy IV and VI

I onry pray retro game machine transrate in my native Chinese because American game are big shit kusoge. Japan too but stirr yerrow so common ground. I have mastered the Remmings game, Chinese understand the suffering.

>>12758692
Based chink sticking it to Yankee bad guys

>>12758692
Chinaposters can access fourchan?

>>12756390
I am ashamed and ask for forgiveness.

>>12758030
the blood is still on his hands

>>12758776
You are forgiven. Just don't repeat those actions in the future, regardless if the company is shitty or not.

>>12758964
Monsignor OP here, this is not my post, I rebuke this anon and the anon he replied to.

>>12758692
play games in English or you didn’t beat them. Consider this a warning from the retro gang

>>12747870
there is still time. i don't think you can call yourself a real gamer u til you've played Silent Hill 2.

>>12747792

I own a copy of Ocarina of Time. I played it a bit, the "kid" stuff in the beginning. I started to get autistically OCD obsessed with collecting every last thing, doing every last challenge etc, and then... I just put it down. I never beat it. I think I got stuck on the idea that you have to collect every last thing as kid Link before growing up, otherwise the kid stuff is missable(?)

I actually became bored with the game in a way, although I suspect that this boredom is more a product of my own deranged completionist mind than a comment on the game's quality. I never really tested whether you can go back-and-forth from kid Link to adult Link.

>>12759491
Hi ChatGPT

>>12759484
this

>>12757515
are you the monkey who gives himself infinite money in most wanted?

>>12759502
No, I’m just a sneaky chinaman

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>>12747792
I wish there were more games with cute boys in them

>>12747792
I play super Mario world as Luigi

>>12759507
Crucify this man

>>12759503
oh I guess I just have schizophrenia then

>>12757367
Straight loser
Sora is the cutest character in the series and he is literally the main character.

>>12759509
Typical of the west, China does not have this problem.

>>12758692
Based anti western pig dog

>>12756845
The way I think about goes something like this:

Is that a mobile game timer?

Everyone knows this mechanic, right? You play for some time, then the game puts a chastity belt on you for a few hours and extorts money to take it off.

We have a lot of stuff in gaming that is basically this, but without the ability to pay to skip. I blame arcades.

Some of those are unavoidable due to the technical limitations, like loading screens. You sit on your hands and do nothing. These are a necessary evil that can be eliminated by the save states.

Some of the gameplay situations are barely disguised versions of that, like a boss walk. You're technically doing something, but it might as well be a loading screen if you know the road well.
Grind could be a version of that, but it's a bit trickier: a long grind can serve a narrative purpose to convey the feeling that your hero went through many trials and tribulations and he is now a veteran. But it's, more often than not, also a loading screen in a trench coat.
Same goes for extra spongy enemies. Continuos repetition could be a test of skill that checks your performance consistency, but it's almost always also a loading screen in a trench coat.

>>12759512
How rude of you to assume she is straight, and not a stunning, brave, and extremely valid korephile!

>>12759613
Most of the things here you're describing here are things that, in a well designed game, are there as punishments for stupid and unskilled people to encourage them to put actual effort and thought into beating the game without actually preventing them from doing so.

>>12747792
Is wanting to pirate Aliens Neoplasma 2 but not being able to a sin?

>>12759647
>in a well designed game
Issue is, most of the games aren't. At least not in all aspects.
>punishments for stupid and unskilled people
Punishing stupid and unskilled players by making learning harder is a questionable design decision.

>>12759651
>Punishing stupid and unskilled players by making learning harder is a questionable design decision
The issue is that if there's no punishment for playing brainlessly and effortlessly, you end up in the Pokemon/Kirby situation where a game can have numerous intricate, fun, well-designed mechanics, but because it's so easy that you beat it in your sleep, many people end up thinking that it's boring and bad because they were never forced to use those systems.
But on the other hand, if you make the game really really hard, then some lower skilled players won't be able to beat it at all, even if they try their absolute best.

The compromise is a having both a fast, challenging solution and a slow, easy solution to challenges. Skilled players will take the former. Unskilled players are given the option of improving so that they can take the former too, or taking the latter.
In RPGs, the slow, easy solution is grinding, and in action games, it's brute forcing something with quantity of attempts.
These solutions are pretty much always going to be much less fun, but the fact that the game as an optional, less fun way of playing them that's accessible to unskilled player doesn't make them bad games, any more than a match-3 puzzle game having a colorblind mode for accessibility that's less fun for colorblind players.

Now, in some poorly designed games, there is no fast, challenging solution. Grinding is mandatory, or beating a boss is all luck and you just have to keep trying until you win.
These are bad games and you should not play them. But that doesn't mean that EVERY game with grinding or boss walks is bad.
A boss walk in a good game will teach you how to beat the boss, and you only need to get softlocked once in an RPG where grinding is verboten to appreciate how nice it is to have as an option for the rest of your life.

I purposely make stupid fucking threads for engagement on video game boards and I pretend I'm a fucking retard for maximum engagement

>>12759747
>where do you think you are.jpg

>>12759648
Yes

I blow on cartridge before I play

>>12760713
repent and beg for mercy

>>12760569
Correct.
>But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a (videogame) to lust after (it) hath committed adultery with (it) already in his heart
>Matthew 5:28

>>12759134
You're not OP. You're an imposter. I'm the OP.

>>12760903
Prove it, post your tattoo.

>>12759747
>anon thinks there’s some Catholic conspiracy to recruit retro video gamers
You’re crazy, that’s insane, that would never happen. Take your meds.

>>12759747
oh no! A console war thread died for this!

I dont enjoy jrpgs anymore. I really tried getting back into them but after decades of playing games with actual deep character customization I feel like jrpgs are one of the worst genres there are.

>>12759613
Spongey bosses are almost entirely because of MMOs setting a new standard where you expect bosses to change u[ what they're doing at certain HP thresholds.

>>12760978
What do you mean by "actual deep character customization"?

>>12760906
Ok, I was lying, I’m sorry. I don’t have any tattoos and I don’t even play retro…

>>12761256
Say 100 hail Marios and you’re in the clear, my son

>>12747792
Sometimes I don’t rewind the game tapes before I return them to blockbuster

>>12747792
August 17 daily office:

Hallowed is the one who revisits the old, he who gilds his legacy in completing the challenges of the past. Cursed is the one who saves their state in order to achieve. Retro Ludo Domine, Deus De Requiem. Allow retro Jesus to sacrifice time out of his very busy schedule to help us get 1ccs.

I've been emulating literally everything since 1999. I am unlikely to stop.

>>12761638
Repent.

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>>12761680
The gaming lord will smite you for your insolence. I’ll pray for your gaming soul.

>>12762259
Emulation is the humblest way of singing the praises of the good old games (tm), you heretic!

>>12762267
That’s pure idolatry. You’re worshipping the form of the temple and not worshipping in the temple.

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>>12762790
On the contrary, emulation worships the spirit of the games, not their material form.
>Blessed are the poorfags, for theirs is the kingdom of retrogaming.
We must drive the greedy collectorfags off from the temple, brother.

>>12762818
But somebody must keep the gate

>>12747792
I worked at a retro game shop and sold the games for way more than they ought to have been.

>>12762865
you monster

I play other peoples saves

>>12760968
What kind of retarded bot is this?

>>12762932
I sold Ku-On for $800 and Rule of Rose for $700.

>>12762979
>help! The Catholics are after me!
Confess and it’ll be all over anon

>>12763003
Ok I confess, I’ve never actually owned retro, I just pretend I do on here to look like a big shot

>>12763016
How can you tithe 10% of your retro collection to the local diocese if you don’t collect?

>>12747792
I raised the front legs on my pinball machine so the ball always stays in play

I don’t always say an Ave Mario before I start up another speedrun of Mario Discovery