>>12747875
you mean the best multiplayer party platformer marketed as a "fighting" game

>>12747878
uh oh first post and the tears are already starting to flow kek

>>12747887
the first post would be quick to agree with you if you were right at all
very telling

>>12747875
>4 viable characters
wow great game

>>12747878
A multiplayer party platformer is something like NSMBU, nothing about that descriptor implies “this is a game about beating the fucking shit out of other players until you win and they lose”.

>>12747910
Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. are platform games. They do not have to have the same exact mechanics. Smash Bros. is LOT like a the old single screen platform games in the arcade.

>>12747908
>more viable characters than any other Smash game
Based!!!!!

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>>12747910
Smash Bros. has more in common with classic multiplayer platform games like Joust than it does Street Fighter.

>>12747917
But that’s a lie

>>12747875
>>12747878
Samefag. If you want to bump your own threads, smash tranny, you need to wait a bit longer than 2 minutes. This board is slow as fuck and dead. Smash is a fag game and everyone who plays it regularly is a pedophile freak. Kys.

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>>12747878
Sorry, posted the wrong cover.

>>12747878
truth to be told i dont think nintendo marketed it as such, it's just its autistic fans that label it as one.

>retards who don't even play fighting games arguing about the semantics of smash bro's genre for the 5,000,000th time
yup, it's a melee thread

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>>12748287
The back of the box calls it a fighting game

>>12748347
>new coin match
Does anybody even like or play coin mode? They've put it in every game since and I think I've played it like twice across all titles.

>>12747875
I dont remember that soul calibur cover or title.

>>12748347
Man that logo with the dog next to eggs brings me back

>>12748391
retards like you would do better shooting off your own foot

>>12748391
>>12748401
Do the fight night games count as fighting games then? What about the WWE games? Come to think of it, has there ever been any smackdown vs raw tournaments or here comes the pain?

>>12748391
Is quake III arena a fighting game? Fighting with guns is still fighting....

>>12747875
depends on your criteria. As an overall game it's pretty high up there

>>12748384
I liked it in Melee and Brawl. They took it out in Ultimate which is a little disappointing.

>>12748402
>using whether something has tournaments to determine if it's a fighting game or not
BAD MOVE!!

>>12747908
The most recent top 100 player rankings came out recently and in the top 20 there are 10 different characters. This is when it's currently the hardest it's ever been to be a top player with Slippi, controller mods, and more information available to anyone willing to look for it.

Hell, a fucking Luigi made it to top 3 in the most recent tourney which is looking to be the biggest tourney of the year.

>inb4 smash community is tranny gay.
Yes they are, but that doesn't dismiss the actual point being made.

>>12748419
>says the retard who thinks the game where you fight people in a deathmatch isn't a fighting game because "its smash bros!!" dumb fucking cunt.
never disagreed you retard

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>>12748274
I 6-0'd a Falco main as Link at a local today. Won me the amateur bracket.

>>12747875
>smash
>fighting game
Knock it off already.

>>12748775
take up reading lessons so you embarrass yourself less in the future and shut up

>>12748347
>known liars lie
Shocking.
>>12748762
Any Link tips? I've recently swapped my main for him.

>>12747878
So a fighting game

>>12748846
If I create a kart racer and market it as a fighting game, is it a fighting game?

>>12747875
Ah yes the game infamous for its intuitive mechanics and MAPs

I don't care what you wanna call it. I just wanna know why the hell it took until 2018 to get real Rare shit (no, Donkey Kong doesn't count). Killer Instinct. Blast Corps. Banjo-Kazooie. Conker. Jet Force Gemini. Perfect Dark. Hell, they were even considering James Bond before they decided on only allowing video game characters and banning real guns, and you're telling me the only thing they added in Smash was the Motion-Sensor Bomb and Cloaking Device (which both had their references to Perfect Dark removed in the US release)? OK, for Brawl and 4, it makes sense because Microsoft owned Rare and had them making games for them during that time, but there's no excuse for 64 or Melee. Somebody did Rare dirty.

>>12748419
>the game where you fight people in a deathmatch
so every multiplayer FPS is a fighting game?

>>12748428
melee players are only picking weaker characters for style points. let's not pretend 25 years of tournament results are overturned by people slumming it with bad characters online for kicks

>>12748419
>An FPS doesn't fit the definition of a fighting game, a fighting game consists of using special moves and using your fists or items given to you by the game to win
Team fortress has special moves for each character...

>>12748856
No but it's still a racing game even if it's not some boring gran autismo clone

>>12748830
Space out your opponent. Using the boomerang in tandem with your bombs gives you a lot of control over where your opponent can or can't go (safely); throw the boomerang high and the bomb low gives them only a narrow window to approach. If they try to approach, you can push them back with aerials, and nair is very good for this. You keep them away this way and do chip damage, then approach when you've got them at sufficient percent for a kill.

Link is combo fodder, so I play very defensively and have been trying lately to bide my time more, so that if I do go in it's at least worth the risk. As for offensive options, just figure out what strings together well. Up-air and nair are great. Certain scenarios for dash-attack up-tilt. Bomb out of shield, jump-bair out of shield. Get comfortable on the ledges and with hookshot recovery.

Find every VOD you can on YouTube and watch them. Links to look for: Sixx, SAUS, Germ, Hunybear, RedX, JOJO (mtl), TPN, Aklo.

Man I can't tell you how much I wanted a full single player game like Subspace Emissary.

>>12749203
A Luigi player beating the best player (who uses Marth) in the world multiple times in a row in tournament is "slumming it with bad characters online for kicks"

Okay buddy.

Onett and Fourside stages were kino
Fighting on top of that big ass UFO was a highlight

I have more fond memories of Brawl

>>12750053
one guy one time, yeah that totally defies decades of history with the same small handful of characters on top
you people are retarded

>>12747908
I used to absolutely shit on my friends with any character including Pichu and Jigglypuff. Skill issue.

>>12750408
neither you nor your friends are good enough at the game for your character choices to matter. at your level tiers basically don't exist

>>12750410
in my opinion treating games like a competitive sport should be low priority. fun happens with friends, not in "e-sports".

>>12750423
let competitive people be competitive and let casuals be casuals
both parties have equal fun playing the game but never with each other

>>12750159
Axe has been a top Pikachu player striking in the top 20 for a fucking decade and still going. aMSa would still be a top player with Yoshi if he didn't move back to Japan, but was one for years. Also RapMonster (Luigi) didn't beat Zain once. It was several times now. Armada literally defined an era of melee for 4 years with Peach, and Hungrybox did it with Jigglypuff for 3. It's not just 4 characters that make up the top tiers.

To top it off the only time fox was ever played by the most dominant player was for a year with Mang0 before Armada decided to take over.

>>12750427
developers should bring back fun gimmick stuff for casual players, stuff that's labeled "unbalanced" competitively like the farsight in Perfect Dark.

mario party for pedos

>>12750159
There's also been a top-10 Yoshi player, aMSa, who won a major. Junebug was a top-20 DK player, and got DK to top-8 in majors; now there's a kid, Dial M, playing DK on a similar level. Aklo used Link to beat the #1 in the world. I know there's a very good G&W somewhere. These might be exceptions to some extent, but they're also a product of how much information is known and shared nowadays. The advent of online play also made a huge difference for exploring characters.

Even if there aren't likely to be any tier changes like what was seen with Yoshi being completely re-evaluated, but it could matter a lot for secondaries to deal with particular matchups (e.g., Link vs. Marth to avoid Fox vs. Marth).

Also, so what? In some ways it's a shame that more characters aren't viable (at the top level), but it's not like there's no choice. Anyone who needs to autistically stick it out with their shit-tier main can do so, and if that makes it too hard for them to enjoy the game competitively then they can remain casual or find another game to play. It's awkward for a complete newcomer who doesn't know that, but the game still has depth.

>>12750408
>>12750410
You can get good (enough) at low-/mid-tiers, it's just hard, or you're doing it occasionally playing off gimmicks and matchup inexperience. Some of the top players in my region whip out Pichu and Kirby to goof off or fuck with people at the locals, but that's mostly just punching down.

>>12750423
Playing competitively can be fun. Not all of competitive play happens at tournaments or for (much) money; locals are hanging out and playing tournaments in someone's basement and having a few beers, on top of being a place to play friendlies and practice. Getting better at the game is exciting when the people around you do the same and pose a challenge.

>>12750423
you've never been good enough at any competitive activity to know the exhilaration of an even match at high level with stakes. and you never will be, because you're a scrub who says scrubby sour grapes shit like "ohhh I just play for fun teehee" to deflect from how ass you are

>>12750429
>all these one-offs who made a mid-tier work
cool, provide a second example for literally any of those characters.
game has worse balance than 3rd Strike. Just because some freaks can make weak characters work doesn't mean anything, Kuroda was waxing entire arcades with Q for years, but it's still stupid not to recognize that Chun and Yun are the only viable characters

>>12750569
The argument isn't that all the other characters are secretly good/viable, it's that the gap for some of the mid-tiers may not be as large as previously thought and that it's still actively changing. I point out some more here >>12750457, and yeah it's often freaks who manage to push these characters that far, but everyone at the very top is a freak. Having freaks push characters like Yoshi, DK, and Luigi further also means that their meta progresses overall.
>balance
So what? There's a shitload of depth even just within the top 8 characters or wherever you want to cap it (and you can take games on people with mid-/low-tiers outside of the top level of competition if you try hard enough). The rest of the cast being ass doesn't detract from that, and it's not like Melee is being played the way Nintendo meant it to be played anyway. The game's fun.

>>12750567
who gives a shit, kys retard

>>12750410
The vast majority of players are not and will never be elite tier competitors, so it's absurd to compare your play with the best of the best.

>>12750410
Tiers don't exist at any level. They change constantly and only calculate the odds (which are never 100%) of a frame perfect bot that knows exactly what lastest tech to use at any given moment before they even need to do it beating another such bot. Human play obviously isn't comparable. People will play mind games with one another or do irrational things. I regularly win online with a D-tier regardless of who I'm up against. I can only think of one time I legit lost when I was sober and awake.

>>12750687
C-tier, rather, but still.

>>12750638
lol triggered

>>12750687
>Tiers don't exist at any level
didn't read past this sentence because when you start off this dead wrong there's no hope of recovery
tiers absolutely exist and if you think otherwise you're not only wrong, you're an idiot

>>12751116
>didnt read because im scared of being outed as a retard
OK. 1v1 me, tierfag. I will wreck your space animal, Marth or... Jigglypuff, apparently. Jesus Christ, dude, I hope for your sake that you're having a laugh.

>>12751127
neither of us play at a level where tiers are relevant. that doesn't magically make them not exist.
you don't understand this subject at all. you seem retarded frankly.
human smoke and scorpion in UMK3 are the most definitive, clear-cut evidence that tiers absolutely exist and if you think they don't you're simply wrong.

>>12751159
Wait, what's so great about Smoke/Scorpion? I main Robo Smoke and kick everyone's asses every time at my local tournament. Again, never lost a match where I wasn't totally off my game due to outside forces. Seriously, explain this shit to me. Why does picking a character arbitrarily ranked one spot above another- actually, I just checked the UMK3 tier list and Scorpion is BELOW Smoke despite being a superior version of Smoke. Are you on drugs, mate?

>>12751172
you are retarded.
human smoke has everything scorpion has plus higher damage combos and punishes that scorpion doesn't have. he is objectively and quite literally inarguably a better character.
if you do not understand this, you are a fucking moron. if you understand and still disagree, you are a fucking moron who should kill himself.

>>12751172
>Scorpion is BELOW Smoke despite being a superior version of Smoke
this is not true and has never been true, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>12751245
OK, but damage doesn't matter if you're a fucking casual who can't hit for shit, moron, and if you can hit, just hit more to make up for the lesser damage.

>>12751256
I don't know, man. I'm just going by what the tier list says.

>>12751258
What i'm objecting to is your claim that Scorpion is a better version of Smoke. That simply isn't true for Robo OR Human Smoke.

>>12751267
Wait, yeah, I'm retarded. I'm thinking Trilogy.

>>12751257
you're retarded.

>>12751278
Be that as it may, tiers are even more retarded. 1v1 me, that's all I'm sayin'. 1v1 me.

>>12751283
Human Smoke is literally just Scorpion with some extra strengths and no additional weaknesses. He is an objectively better character and proof positive that tiers exist.
You are simply wrong and no amount of
>durrr fite me
changes that.

>>12751294
So you won't fight me?

>>12751308
I don't even play UMK3. What exactly do you think your mid ass beating up on someone who doesn't even play the game is going to prove? Other than the fact that you fundamentally do not understand what a tier list is supposed to mean, that is.
I have zero desire to interact with you in any way beyond telling you in this thread that you're retarded.

>>12751268
Human Smoke is better than Scorpion in Trilogy too, and for the same reason. Robo Smoke is considered on par with Scorpion in most versions but far beyond Scorpion in the N64 version. I think you just don't really know what you're talking about

>>12751313
But if you pick a higher tier character, you're guaranteed to win. Just do that. If I'm misunderstanding tiers, correct me.
>>12751315
I'm willing to grant that I don't know what I'm talking about, but my K/D ratio don't lie.

>>12751317
that's not what tier lists mean, dipshit.
tier lists are an evaluation of how strong characters are when played to their fullest potential assuming relatively evenly matched opponents. I don't know where you got the utterly idiotic idea that saying a character is top tier means that picking that character is a guaranteed win against any lower-tier character.
you are completely fucking retarded and you should shoot yourself in the head at your earliest convenience.

>>12751629
>when played to their fullest potential
>it is humanly impossible to play at your full potential 100% of the time
>it is statistically unlikely that two evenly matched opponents will fight
So you're telling me tiers effectively don't exist as I originally stated. Got it.

>>12751661
No, tiers exist. See: Human Smoke and Scorpion. The former is a strictly and indisputably better version of the latter and is thus higher on the tier list, and if you disagree, you are simply wrong.
Your inability to think outside the most narrow literal definition possible suggest that you are legitimately autistic in addition to being a retard.
Kill yourself.

>>12751661
>it is humanly impossible to play at your full potential 100% of the time
What is meant by that is not that you, the player, are playing your best at all times, but that the character's tools are all being used properly.
>it is statistically unlikely that two evenly matched opponents will fight
It happens all the time in competitive contexts. Very few fighting games have a single dominant player who just shits on everyone else. There is typically a rotating cast of top players who come out on top.
Both of these criteria are not to be taken as rigidly literally as you're doing. The basic idea is that if two players who are both beyond a certain threshold of skill (full usage of the character) and relatively similar in skill to each other (exceedingly common situation especially with the prevalence of ranked/ELO matchmaking) play each other, the one with a top tier character is expected to win more often than the one with a low tier, and won't have to work nearly as hard to do it.
You are not skilled enough at any fighting game to have experienced any of this for yourself. You're in the mental ghetto of "I stomp all my friends at fighting games, therefore I am good enough at them for my opinions to hold weight." They do not, and you are not "good" at the games, which you will swiftly discover the moment you play anyone who actually knows what they're doing.

>>12752034
Dude, I used to main Scorpion. I switched to Robo Smoke and get way better results now. When is this mythical losing supposed to start?
>>12752074
Honestly, if you have to write an essay, you're probably talking out your ass.

>>12747887
Why are you so upset that someone didn't agree with you? It isn't healthy to cry over a differing opinion bud.

>>12752147
Robot Smoke is universally recognized as a better character than Scorpion, you absolute dipshit. You're proving the very thing you're claiming isn't real.

>>12752147
>durr u wrote a lot me brain hurty
I accept your concession.

>>12752170
OK, my bad. Can't follow all this autistic mental gymnastics. My brother still regularly kicks my ass with Sheeva.
>>12752175
>i will now concede for you as i ran out of arguments
LOL, shut up.

>>12752181
you are retarded.

>>12752181
>i'm so bad at the game that my brother regularly beats me with the worst character
dunno if i'd admit to that one bruv

>>12752853
NTA but I new a set of brothers, and one got into the Melee comp scene early on. He became the best Falco in the region. He would destroy everyone in the area that tried to get into the comp scene with Ness, G&W, Bowser and other low tiers to try to even the playing field.

If the guy's brother was just a better player, it doesn't matter what character he plays. I got good at SF4 when that game was relevant and I would beat people with E Honda, Dee Jay, Dan, and Makoto despite those being some of the worst characters in the game and I had little experience with them only because I knew how the game worked much better than those around me.

>>12752853
As I already mentioned, I'm pretty good. I regularly win tourneys with Robo Smoke, but it doesn't matter. If anyone's beating anyone with a lower tier character, you must acquit. Tiers are for queers.

>>12753440
nowhere in the world, now or in the recent past, have there been regular local tournies for UMK3. you are a lying faggot.

>>12753440
>I play one of the best characters in the game
>my brother shits all over me with the worst character in the game
>but i'm good at the game
>no really
>I totally win local tournaments all the time
>in 2026
>despite not knowing extremely basic information about the game
>which tournaments? uhh... you don't know them. they go to another school. in Canada
The larp has run its course, lad

>>12747875

worthy candidate. the best candidates are the ones that do unique things the best in their category, or have an irreplacable flavour. third strike is a candidate, super turbo is a candidate, kof98 is a candidate, vf3tb is a candidate, t5dr is a candidate, etc.

>>12753704
>implying you checked every single building in every town in every country for tournies
Every weekend at my local bar.
>>12753706
It's really easy, dude. I don't have to know anything about the game. I just spam Smoke's warp punch until I hit, hook 'em while they're in the air, pull his best combo, back off and repeat. It doesn't matter if he's "best", "good", "bad" or "worst". I found a cheap strategy, I enact it and most tourneyfags have their noses so far up the tier list's ass that they never see it coming. I don't know why it's so hard for you guys to believe that you can be good at a video game without spending hours studying made-up tier nonsense. There are many paths to victory.

>>12753728
you can stop larping, everybody already knows you're making every word of this up to ragebait people

>>12748428
>controller mods
that alone throws all the data into the trash.
smashfags do not beat the game.

>>12753728
>I mindlessly spam a heavily punishable move and still win tournaments
bait needs to be believable if you want anyone to take it

>>12754458
most controller mods are to make the controller function properly since most gamecube controllers came out of the factory with poor quality control so you get misaligned control sticks and potentiometers that fuck up in a few years or snapback issues on the stick. The only real mods that really changes anything is having a mobo that can remap button keybinds or notches in the stick gate for more accurate wavedashes or fox up b angles.

>>12754613
cope. it's cheating

>>12754672
Considering the previous way of having a good controller was to buy as many as you can and then "break" the stick in the right way and that would only hold up for a few months, this is a better alternative for comp play. It's a lesser of two evils kind of deal. Mew2King literally had a bag full of controllers because he couldn't trust one controller to keep it's self "broken" in that right way that allowed the stick to work how he wanted it to. Armada dropped out of a few tourneys because his controller just failed mid tourney and he knew he wouldn't be able to play how he wanted.

You can call it cope but your original argument is to "beat" a multiplayer game which is stupid in it's self.

>>12747875
if anyone who plays luigi ness roy or yoshi in unranked is reading please kill yourself

>>12754852
don't give a fuck, this is giga cope, it's cheating

>>12754852
>game so fucked up you can only play it properly with a fucked up controller
jesus christ. meleefags are something else

>>12747875

I played it for many years with friends and while it is very good, I really start to get tired of the controls. It's feels like you're always on the edge of not pulling off what you intend to do. Even short hopping requires too much damned effort. Maybe it's just my tired unc hands but I just don't really enjoy it as much anymore.

>>12750408

>he thinks puff is low tier

Did you mean Kirby?

>>12754975
I could shit on them with Kirby, too.

>>12754447
>>12754504
Keep telling yourselves that if it helps you cope, tierfags.
>>12754975
>the third lightest character in a game where the goal is to send your opponent flying is high-tier
Just stop already.

>>12754958
To be fair, it's not the game, but the shit quality of the controllers nintenshit gave us. For most games it wouldn't matter, but melee has so much precision in it that the controllers just held the game back. I only tried comp for a couple year back in the early 2010's and stopped because of the crapshoot quality of the controllers. The game is still fun to watch regardless of how gay and tranny-fied the community has gotten.

>>12755179
You should probably learn the least little bit about what you're talking about if you want anyone to believe your nonsense, because to anyone who actually plays fighting games, it's painfully obvious that you made every word of it up.
but no I'm sure you totally play in a weekly UMK3 local at a bar in 2026 and you totally beat everyone by spamming a move that gets you utterly shit on when blocked. that sounds so super real and not at all made up. yup. and the fact that you do this with a high tier character means tuers aren't real. sure. oh yeah and your brother stomps you with the worst character in the game, but despite being so damn good at UMK3, he doesn't play in the weekly UMK3 bar tournament that's totally real. uh huh.
retard.

>>12755189
cope. it's cheating.
nobody who placed high in a tournament using a cheat controller is legitimate.

>>12755604
Look, I can't make you stop coping, but it's all true. Tiers are for queers and I regularly dunk on tierfags by doing cheap shit.

>>12747875
True

Way more fun to play than Street Fighter and its clones (like Mortal Combat or whatever it's called). Other studios should take notes.

>>12755618
better luck next larp. try to keep it believable, maybe you'll have more success

>>12756416
Cope.

>>12756440
larp.

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>>12747875
Why did Sakurai consider the has been blue rat over chad stacey NiGHTS?
All he does is spin around and kick, at least NiGHTS has cool magic and shapeshift abilities to make for a fun party game moveset.

>>12756618
Not Sakurai, Nintendo has shit taste.
That's why he quit the company the moment they wanted to shit out more mediocre Kirby spinoffs again

>>12750452
Smash WiiU is not retro

>>12749637
https://youtube.com/

>>12756618
nigger, smash fans freaked out about Terry Bogard and treated him like a no-name literal who like he hasn't been in games constantly since the early 90s and you think the faggot clown would have been a good pick?
retard.

>>12756625
Anon...

>>12747875
take a shower Smelee

>>12757083
>>12757092
two guys who dont know what they are talking about

>inb4 cope

>>12757360
It's probably not obvious, but my post (>>12757083) is me expressing confusion about Anon pasting a YouTube link without the video ID.

>>12757092
It's funny to me how, within internet "gamer" culture, only Melee fans are catalogued as nerds who don't shower, but in the real world, people think all gamers are weird nerds who don't shower and don't make any distinction.
Also you can't tell me only Melee fans are smelly because I've been at Counter-Strike tournaments and that shit was foul.

>>12760040
Can't build your skillz in the shower.

>>12760040
People sweat in competitive environments that require high dexterity. People sweat in cramped environments
People sweat under pressure

>haha you smell go shower !!!
I don’t get why they get so much shit to be honest. It’s always seemed obvious to me as an outsider why competitive game tournaments may not smell pleasant. Surely it’s on the TO for not providing a better environment or venue that doesn’t encourage this

>>12760112
I have been at more fgc majors than I care to count and I have never, ever smelled anything so foul as the smash community. not saying the rest of the field are paragons of cleanliness but they didn't actively stink the joint out

Wrong game. You meant to post JoJo Hftf

>>12760040
It's the usual FGC toughie cope. The moment they're not talking down Smash and face with their own peers, they fold up when the usual CapGOD, Tekkuck, or ArcSissy each trash against their favorite.

>>12760112
nah that shit doesn't fly. Nerd gatherings of all kind have ridiculous BO and I can't understand why. Shit is foul. I regularly go to the gym too and even that isn't as bad as many of these events

>>12760464
I'm talking about the game. I don't know what movie or video you're talking about because your link was broken. >>12756625

>>12756649
Terry was added because Sakurai is a huge SNK fan. He even went as far to add in a Kekken character (a series that barely has a significant Nintendo presence) when most rosterfags rather a Soul Calibur character, a Tales/Xenosaga character, or another scrimblo as the 2nd Scamco rep.
In fact, most of the fighter pass characters aren't even at the whims of what bandwagon Smash hypebeast wanted except for Banjo and Sora.
and most of ones that did turn out better were all coin flips.

>>12760489
>I'm talking about the game.
Glazing Subspace cutscenes isn't "talking about the game"
The mode itself play like a terrible Kirby game, hence why 98% of the time it gets brought up it's nostalgia over it's cutscenes and unlocking the boss rush.
>your link is broken
It's the homepage, what's so broken about it?

>>12760518
I wasn't talking about the cutscenes.

>>12760525
>I wasn't talking about the cutscenes
This shatters your larp.

>>12760507
Stop fucking putting 3D platformer protagonists in the same category as generic anime swordsmen/martial artists. You know goddamn well that a SC, Tales or Xeno character would take half their animations from Marth. "Scrimblos" are all unique... OK, except Mario, Luigi and Dr. Mario, but that's it.
>Sora
I refuse to believe even one person unironically wanted Didney anime swordsman.

>>12760575
Bitch, i didn't say you're Sakurai or Nintendo. Im saying most of these choices are out of his tastes or whatever Nintendo ask him to include. Banjo and Sora falls on the latter, but they explicitly stated they're actually influences from that 2015 character ballot they held like over a decade ago.
Like how do you explain Incineroar? That thing got in but never seen in again outside tourneyfag Pokemon shit. The other Pokemon they passed up however did and got marketed to death. Turns out that was due to Sakurai wanted to work on a niche moveset idea for that character.
>You know goddamn well that a SC, Tales or Xeno character would take half their animations from Marth
In THEIR defense, their preferred choices are actually pretty alright. Yoshimitsu is cool, Nightmare is awesome, KOS-MOS is a hot ass kungfu bitch unlike the two Blade sluts from it's other Xeno series, and so on....except for Tales, i don't any reason to get excited for the brown hair dork or that chunni pretty boy from the two most popular titles. I can't excuse that.
>"Scrimblos" are all unique...
This is still debatable. People keep asking for Crash Bandicoot and he's the most cookie cut choice for anyone to go for. All of his moves, you can pull from Sonic...Snake....Yoshi....DK...him getting any hype from rosterfags is beyond me.
Rayman is interesting but man pulling from literal scumbags company...i mean Konami got 3 characters in just fine...
>I refuse to believe even one person unironically wanted Didney anime swordsman.
As real to kids asking for Goku or Spiderman in Smash. I don't like it, but people are just running around with who ever they could imagine. They even so much said people who aren't into video games to check out the final character, which couldn't be more obvious.
Things are just that dire, i rather stick with who Sakurai/Nintendo wants with no FE lame-os added.

>>12760660
Literally no one asked for Crash or Rayman.

there was an old blog that did an indepth analysis into why smash is fundamentally a better game than traditional fighters, I'm sure people here could find much to disagree with but it'd be a valuable contribution to discussion. have never been able to find it again.

>>12760670
They're the most jerked off rosterfag characters at the moment.

>>12760734
>rosterfag
That's what I said, literal no ones. Honestly, I'm struggling to care about modern gaming. I haven't been truly hyped about Smash since Brawl, and we all know how that went, so I couldn't tell you who I want in Smash 6 or whatever the fuck number we're on. If I did put some thought into it, I'd just be disappointed with literally whos again, so I think I'll keep playing Smash 64 instead. It's missing one of my mains from later titles, but I'm sure she'll be modded in eventually.

>>12760671
Smash is "better" in sense because it gives a lot of characters utility and options in a 2.5D environment instead of being locked in a box and having to engage in combat more stricter fashion.
The gameplay aspect however is held back by the person who understands Smash gameplay the most because he wants to fulfill his dream of a true haven of a fighting game that doesn't have many sweats in complete control, hence why you keep seeing him calling it a party game, a sports game even, and keep pushing himself away from talk about eSports (unironicly a good thing, today's competitive scene is corrupt as shit).
Even with modern Smash clones on the rise, these so-called Platform Fighters all fucking suck to a bloodlusted Melee or Ultimate gameplay, which is basically just modded Smash gameplay with "standarized" gameplay and balance.

Which is a shame because the man could just simply make a spinoff that could be the next frontier for fighting games, but it's never getting made because that would pull away the people that sticks on to Smash games for the characters and fun gameplay to dive into AFTER the casuals move on to the next thing of course.

>>12760763
There's more characters getting added per new custom builds for Smash Remix but god, like i said in another, I'd learn vibecoding or learn assembly to know how to remove some dumb as bricks choices for that mod.

In fact, i remember someone was making a Mega Man X Zero mod, but turns out it was unfinished and the person behind it is a loud troon who gets mad at spics for featuring WIP mods.

>>12760779
>these so-called Platform Fighters all fucking suck to a bloodlusted Melee or Ultimate gameplay
I agree with you for the most part but not here. Something like RoA has straight up better gameplay than ultimate and it's an argument vs melee. Even something like brawlhalla has novel systems even though it's pretty cheap and lazy. What these platform fighters in general are lacking is overall game quality. If smash is the standard then pretty much all of them fall way short of even 64 as overall games. They put the cart before the horse since before all of this comp autism you need to make a good game first before people dive deeper

>>12760815
Rivals 2 is good but it's just not quite there yet.

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>>12747875
Blocks your path
>wtf i've never heard of this game
Yes, unfortunately, however popularity has NOTHING to do with quality, like the best metal bands are not the most famous ones.
Anyway, picrel was made by the same devs as Star Control 1 and the ship combat parts of SC2, which were popular games. It's like Star Control, but with aliens versus robots instead of spaceships, and in 3D instead of 2D. It has 1v1 mode and a turn-based strategy mode where you use a hexgrid to determine which characters will fight. Every character counters and is countered by some other characters, but skill can always overcome this, plus each arena has different hazards and buffs. It's fucking kino, 11/10, blows all other fighting games out of the water, but sadly, only my friends and I ever played it. We still play it once in a while when we get together. I can't entirely recommend playing it solo vs the computer, but if you're curious the AI isn't too terrible for a 20+ year old game
>I'd still put SMB Melee in the top 5 though.

>>12760881
>popularity has NOTHING to do with quality
gigacope. good things get popular, simple as.
>durrr wha bout McDonald's
yes faggot, McDonald's tastes good and if you say otherwise you're lying

>>12760915
Sonic is the superior burger joint. ACTUALLY, Hardee's is, but they don't have those where I live.

>>12760915
>Taylor Swift and mumble rap are better than Slayer and Leonard Cohen.
NPC detected.
>McDonald's is better than real food
nvm you're not an NPC, worse, you're a nigger. Don't bother continuing the argument, you don't have the time to spare since obese niggers have lower life expectancies

>>12760881
Eternal Darkness is better

>>12760919
It's a better hotdog joint than burger imo

>>12760937
>durr it not real food because I consider myself above it
you're the exact same species of dumb asshole as all the people you think are beneath you. take your head out of your ass.
or kill yourself, either is good.

>>12760937
Quite literally more people will tell you Taylor Swift is good than will tell you Slayer is good.
If Slayer were good enough they'd be much more popular. Niches are niche because they're not good enough to have mass appeal.

>>12760937
>Slayer
>good

>>12747875
Armada is the GOAT

why the fuck does slippi netplay launcher not support windows 7

windows 7 is older than this fucking game

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh guess im switching to guilty gear

>>12760671
three simple reasons why melee and project M are better than capcom fighters

1) Analog Controls vs Digital Controls
2) the enemy player can always move their character, even inside a combo string. This is orders of magnitude more intresting than the burst/combo breaker systems found in killer instinct, guility gear and mortal kombat and better than gimmicky comeback mechanics like X-Factor or Cinematic Ultras
3)you play neutral more often

bonus- ledge play is fun as shit

>>12760919
hardees/carls stopped being good around the covid/BLM era where they started focusing on chicken and biscuts. the actual top tier burger joint is Culvers. Culvers is like in and out quality but with a massive menu . I enjoy the consistancy burger king has had over the years too.