why is capcom better at making zelda games than nintendo is?
>>12750940They're both worse than Link's Awakening.
>>12750940Oracle are not the best Zeldas, but they genuinely seem to be the most all round competent without compromising anything towards unneeded 'accessibility'.
why do dumb people believe that phrasing a random opinion as a question magically turns it into a fact unless somebody else disproves it?
>>12750949what does LA do better than the oracle games? It's got some peak sovl moments for sure, and its a great game, but I can say the same for the oracles, plus they unique gameplay mechanics where as LA is just the classic formula.
>>12750940Capcom is too powerful
>>12750962>classic formula bad>gimmick crap goodBut why? And LA is not even the classic formula, that's ALTTP which mogs all three.
>>12750962mort artful presentation, more interesting story, the characters, music, stellar dungeons. Oracles are fine games but they really do feel like they aren't made by Nintendo. Minish Cap actually felt more like a Nintendo game although I felt the oracles games were superior.
Minish Cap mogs ALTTP Capcom fucks while Nintendo watches
>>12751290MC is, unironically, the best looking 2D Zelda game.
>>12750940The two waifu characters feel out of place and very 'Capcom'. They’re good games, but you can tell they’re off brand.
>>12751295Oracles are the peak of 2d zelda and destroy Alttp but MC is fucking shit and is hard to believe it was made by the same devs
>>12750951It's been the 4chan bait meta for like 5 years. If you just say 'I think the Capcom Zelda games are better than Nintendo's own' you get a slow thread with a couple reasonable replies sailing to page 10 instead of an instant dopamine boost from a heated argument
>>12751295C-Can I be your Nintendo, dear Capcom-sama? n-n
>>12751274alttp has a "gimmick" too, the dark world. OOT does basically the same thing with an alternate second world. If those dont count as gimmicks then ages 2 worlds shouldnt either, and ages actually uses that concept more creatively and weaves it into the gameplay far more than OOT or ALTTP does.
>>12751295if it had a couple more dungeons I would agree 100%. its the 2d equivalent of wind waker, looks gorgeous and has a great concept but its just too unfinished for me to consider it better than OOT/oracles/LA
>>12751567thank you for having a balanced, sensible opinion on WW. top 1% of IQ i can tell
>>12751331OP here and yeah this is exactly it. You pretty much have to bait in the OP if you want an active thread. Though I do legitimately think Oracles are the best 2d zelda, especially if you consider them as one big game which I think you should.
>>12750940I keep seeing this and while I've only played Season I thought it was mid coming off the other zeldas that released around the same time
>>12751290>more artful presentationdid you even play the games? its the same fucking tileset and sprites but oracles have more variety and better use of color, possibly the best looking gbc games. Though they don't have rom hack tier out of place mario sprites. >more interesting storysure>charactersyou're just a marin fag>music and dungeonsthey're all on par with each other
>>12751594ages is the stronger half for sure.
>>12750962>what does LA do better than the oracle games?I haven't played the oracle games since they came out, but I was big into the entire Zelda handheld library back then, and one thing about the oracle games is that they felt decisively non-Nintendo. Something was just "off" about them. The dungeon design definitely wasn't up to par, and the grindiness of the gasha seeds and the whole ring system didn't jive. There were too many things that seemed to manufacture your investment rather than being interesting enough that you simply got invested on your own.>>12751552>alttp has a "gimmick" too, the dark world. OOT does basically the same thing with an alternate second world.neither of these things are gimmicks, nor are they even remotely similar in terms of the gameplay mechanics they facilitate. You're dumb.
>>12751770hence why I put "gimmick" in quotations you fucking retard.
>>12751753Ages is better? I'm getting to it but Seasons was to me just "generic" zelda. I liked it but it didn't really stand out and felt more like I was just playing Zelda 1 again
>>12751787yes in my opinion ages is a lot better. the season changing mechanic is pretty shallow but the time changing mechanic in ages is much deeper and used for a lot of really creative puzzles, I'd say ages has the best and most puzzle-centric design of any zelda.
>>12750940I don't know. Everything Nintendo did before the Oracle games is better, everything they did after is worse than the Capcom games.
>>12750940i'll give you the oracle games, but minish cap is unwashed bootya very pretty booty, but ultimately stinky and dirty
>>12750940I like them both but they start to feel like slogs toward the end. And then double that since you have to play them back to back.Link's Awakening is short, to the point, and gimmick free. You simply can't beat that.
>>12751290all wrong btw
>>12751787Seasons actually started development as a remake of TLoZ.>>12752008You don't *have* to play them back to back, you can play one then play the other at a later date.
>>12752029>You don't *have* to play them back to back>you can play one then play the other at a later date.
>>12752048Ages in the summer, seasons in autumn.
>>12752008they feel very different to me. The biggest fault is that they are limited by gbc limitations and alot of the dungeons blend together. They are good dungeons though, in this respect they improve on LA significantly.
>>12750940They're not. Some of them are a swing and a miss like Minish Cap.
>>12754632Flagship =/= Capcom This was directly made interally at Capcom, while that rushjob Minish Cap was done at that joint venture Cap, Nintendo, and SEGA put together for their games.
>>12751323Good and im more glad they weren't generically anime either.Remember what we eventually got afterwards (Shit Waker)
>>12751295I want to agree, but even with the better combat and non-ugly sprites (and no furshit/gay hair), the game still has the dumb conch shell/chinese coin gacha and fell for the 4 dungeons meme from Majora's Mask.
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>>12751295No, definitely not. The Oracles? Yes. But not Minish Cap.
>>12754696Wind Waker is very far from what I’d call "generic anime". The current BotW/TotK art style has way more of that Saturday morning anime look that you’re probably referring to. Wind Waker is a throwback to 1960s era animation.
>>12754823Amazing we never got Inti to make a Zelda II successor game after their run on Capcom ended.I know people are not huge fans of Mega Man Zero's artstyle and gameplay loop, but get the people behind Curse of the Moon and the Blaster Master reboot, they'll make the best shit ever for Nintendo.
>>12750962The Oracle games are proto-contentslop. In LA you go straight from one objective to the next. The puzzles and dungeons flow smoothly, and where to go is never a problem. In Oracle it just feels like a ton of tacked on busywork and micromanagement. No new catchy music or interesting items. Giant towns are not fun. Memorizing four states of each location is unintuitive and tedious. It’s Zelda-shaped. Not reality Zelda underneath.
>>12755790>Memorizing four states of each location is unintuitive and tedious
>>12755790>ugh you mean i can't just go to point A to point B like a brainless monkey? i need to LE PLAY THE GAME!??!?! fucking slop fr fr
It makes one wonder why Nintendo gave up on making 2D Zelda
>>12756326That's what happens when you fuse your home and handheld consoles, though there was echoes of wisdom
>>12750940These games were designed to sell strategy guides
>>12756405I beat them without using one, LA was harderYou just suck nigga
>>12756326Because Nintendo preferred the new canon that OoT established and decided that, outside of the occasional silly throwback game like Oracles, all big AAA Zelda games will be based on what OoT did.
I like their maps a lot. Holodrum and Labrynna were based.
>>12750949FPBPThe Oracles are good, but they don't outdo LA.
i finished seasons earlier this year. i liked it even though it shared a lot of LA's design aspects ala OoT to MM so it's not like there was anything too surprising. but it doesn't mean it's not a good game. as one of the posters already said these games are very much limited with what they can do because of the platform. i'll probably play ages later this year.
>>12758543Make sure to keep your seasons save file for the password. When you start ages you can enter the password and you'll carry over stuff like your rings making for a more "continued" experience. Also ages is more puzzle driven while seasons is more action based so the gameplay will differ a bit. When you finish that again keep the save file for the password and you can start seasons and ages again at a later date with a NG+ experience.
>>12758874>Make sure to keep your seasons save file for the password.yeah i did i screenshotted the thing at the end. >When you finish that again keep the save file for the password and you can start seasons and ages again at a later date with a NG+ experience.i doubt i'm going to care enough to play seasons again but regardless i'm still glad the mechanism exists. too few series have done this. they probably can't afford it Tbh
>>12758893You'll also need to actually play your Seasons file again if you want to unlock all the linked game items. A character in Ages will tell you to talk to somebody in Seasons, and you'll get an upgrade and a password to bring it back into Ages.
>>12751323Perhaps like BOF characters?
>>12750940I wanted to fuck Din so bad when I was a kid
>>12759108This but Nayru.
>>12756326They didn't. You just got a LA remake and Echoes of Wisdom.
>>12755714>MMZ>Gameplay loopI don't know what it is about MMZfags but they always manage to spout the absolute dumbest shit imaginable.
>>12759156I'd do either desu ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>12750962LA is the MM of 2D zelda. The story is so good that people call it best even though oracles did a lot of stuff better
>>12759393>The story is so goodI mean, is it really though? "it was all a dream: the game" isnt what Id call a great story. if thats the case, than super mario bros 2 has a great story too I guess. I think LA is well remembered moreso for all the little charming, soulful shit they put into a GB cartridge. like the chain chomp sequence or marin on the beach. and personally I think the oracle games have that element too.
>>12759393>LA is the MM of 2D zelda>Even has the unnecessary backtracking to pad out gameplay and worse controls than its predecessor Yeah that checks out.
>>12750940They are not. That's why they made Minish Cap, the worst retro Zelda.
>>12759563the story is good becuase the little charming, soulful shit build connection to the world. Also, it was pretty shocking that they actually followed through on wiping out the island and didn't chicken out so it hits harder. Oracle of ages had a pretty good story too but seasons I can't even remember
>>12751747not really, the bits with scrolling ruins the art direction. Lots of flatter-looking tiles. The tiles in Link's Awakening have much nicer delineation when played in monochrome (as intended) but you're also assuming I'm just talking about graphics. I'm not. The presenation of the story and the grand mystery of the island is much more interesting than "evil baddy does nasty thing" the plot of the oracle games are very simplistic and kitsch. I can't remember a single tune from Link's Awakening Oracle games don't have shit on that nude posing hippo or the shokeeper who kills you for being a nigger
>>12762853woops, I meant "I can't remember a single tune from the oracle games" except for the main theme which ironically is just reused from LA LOL
>>12759563Wizard of Oz is just "it was all a dream: the movie" and is one of the greatest films of all time The game becomes more interesting when you realize the world is built out of Link's subconscious: the castle in the middle, death mountain at the top, being haunted by ganon in the final boss, mistaking Marin for Zelda etc the "dream within a dream" segment is also particularly cool
>>12750940As somebody who’s favorite Zelda is Link’s Awakening, I hate the Capcom Zeldas. Especially Minish Cap.
>Shartarcle goymes >GoodThey're proto gacha-shit. Minishi cap and four swords are the only decent capdas.>>12758146>La>HardMe thinks the shit handheld screens fucked your brain
