It is a machine translation though
>>12763881>MTL
>>12763881>machine translation thoughdropped >>12764045nigger
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT AGP CALLED DIBSDIBS IN 2008WAAAAAAHHHH
>>12763881Fuck yeah
I do not understand the purpose of such patches. If you were content playing the game with a machine translation, could you not have done so years ago using RetroArch's built in translator?
>>12764091Can't speak for others, but a patched rom is great for running on actual hardware. Sometimes patchers will do some quick editing of obvious translation issues to polish it up too; Japanese auto translations often fuck up pronouns, certain verbs (like give/take), interjections translated as words.
>>12764187>running on actual hardwareonly trannies play fan translations on consoles
>>12764091I had no idea retroarch has a built in translator. Also, LLMs have vastly improved the automated translation quality in the last year.
>>12763881Let me guess, this is some depraved Japanese pornographic game where you stalk, rape, and murder women.
>>12764550no it's about a lady named lady and she stalks evil
>>12764071hate this shit so fucking much, god bless MTL
>>12764315Well then call me Lilith, because it's better playing that way.
>>12763881>machine translationHoly Fucking Shit, when will these self-important weebs understand that nobody, NOBODY, was waiting decades for some loser KID to swoop in and suck the soul our of works of art with unprofessional slop?!..Wait, machine-assisted HACKING or machine-assisted TRANSLATING (yes, there's a world of difference)?
>>12763881>>12764071This can play out one of two ways:1) Aeon Genesis cucks out and cancels like they always do when someone successfully "takes" a project right under their nose (if it's really farther behind than they care to admit)2) Aeon Genesis publishes what they have in response and goes scorched-earth (if it's really further along and the rival is a reckless glory-seeking idiot who pretended it was finished)Scenario #2 is always more fun and I should think it's likelier after RHDN pissed a lot of people off including Ghideon Zhi, sadly it seems he's more bark than bite when you get down to it.
>>12764091In some cases that also means the bulk of the hacking work has been done, known and hopefully documented, making it that someone with actual language knowledge can just easily fix itI've seen okaaaayish MTL if they put the work into it and don't just put it through a translator and calls it a day, but at the end of the day, it's unfortunately still probably preferable than garbage like this >>12764071 as these fuckers legitimately needs to be kicked in the ass for this>Hurr durr here's our ongoing project page full of half-translations that we don't officially say it's dropped and shit picked from literally over 20 years ago. No it's not dropped, fuck you
It’’s literally all AI is good for, since AI is glorified search and auto correct. If it prevents a single troon from butchering a retro game, I’m all for it.
Honestly kind of hilarious how someone has been “working” on fan-translating this for two decades and then someone just machine translates it over a week or month
Well, maybe this will spur someone to do a real translation.
>>12764550No, it's Landstalker but woke and genderswapped.
>>12764678>I've seen okaaaayish MTL if they put the work into it and don't just put it through a translator and calls it a dayI actually put the work into using google translate and deepl and on screen text recognition tools and hunting down individual characters when they failed and even translating a few sentences one word at a time just to figure out what was being said. Took me quite some time, but I finally managed to release a machine translation of episode 287 of Game Center CX to the anons here. A few people said it was alright, but that's about it. And I've never heard anyone bring it up once since an 'real' translation was released, which was about 80%-95% the same.Meanwhile people who just dump shit into the machine and post the results get about the same amount of praise, and even people defending them for flaws because 'It's just a machine translation, what did you expect?' There's no real benefit to putting effort into a quality machine translation, just a lot more work for the person doing it.
>>12764850Yeah, this is the kinda stuff I've been talking aboutAnd yeah, it's unfortunate. I've done myself translations of translations (JP > French > English). Evidently, it's not ideal, but it should be more than good enough if there's nothing else betterSome people also avoided me like the plague
>>12764071Based, I fucking love AI.
>>12763881Wow, thanks to whoever did this. This is one of the few Japanese only games that I actually wanted to play and I never thought it would happen. This is awesome, I'm so excited.
>>12764550No, it's a lady who stalks on land.
Honestly, I'm sure machine translations nowadays are more than good enough to get through the game, and probably better than a lot of the official translations we got in the 16-bit era. Better than no translation, certainly.
>>12764071Get fucked you fucking losers. AI replacing all those dogshit translation projects.
All i want now is a proper translation of landstalker without the censorship because the western changes suck.
My only complaint is he doesn't say which translation tool he used, not all machines are made equally.
>>12764985>Better than no translation, certainly.Oh fuck off. No. It's not better than no translation. A bad translation still makes it look like the game is done. And any potential new translator won't want to touch it. So not only is it not better than nothing. It is worse than nothing.
>>12765104Isn't that the PAL version? Just get or make a NTSC patch for it.
>>12765191Yes, we should all be so grateful to hard working translators... it's only been 18 years! Just a little more time... be patient. Ignore the second most revolutionary technology in your lifetime that solves the problem, which was invented in less than the span of time he's been hard at work.
>>12765191Nah, you fuck off, leatherhead. If you're so worried about the nuances getting lost, translate it yourself or try to get someone to make a translation. I agree there's the downside risk of people marking it as done and not giving it a natural translation ever, but the simple fix for that is just to translate it. I'm happy there's a way of playing the game in English. The amount of text in the game is probably small enough that you could pay someone to translate it for cheat and then insert it yourself, now that the hacking work is done.
>>12765206*for cheap
>>12765203There is none at romhacking, also the euro version is censored too.
>>12763881good
>>12765206>translate it yourself or try to get someone to make a translationIt seriously is so much easier to update something like this now, for anyone who does want to try adding a human translation. For fun, I experimented with how AI can speed up this process. First, if anyone wants to compare the machine translation to the original text, I had it extract the text from the original and the text from the translation patch into a spreadsheet.I've also left a space for adding a human translation if you wish. Using the tools ChatGPT generated in this github, you can easily update the patched English rom, automatically inserting the new lines from that professional translator column into a new patched rom file (and automatically giving you a new patch). More instructions on the github if you want to play around with it.https://github.com/orcmasterjones-netizen/LadystalkerTranslationTools/tree/mainAI can do some amazing things these days. These tools it threw together seem to work, but obviously don't trust the results without testing carefully. But it does seem to be working.
>>12765191kys
>>12763881I for one am going to wait a few weeks to see if Ghideon Zhi releases what he has completed so far.
Who remembers the "washi = eagle" translation?
>>12764071>Aeon Genesis drama to defend an MTL patchAG stopped releases after their power trip and threatening viewers back with the SMT:if fantranslation back in 2019 (which they released because 3 other projects were started), and with the RHDN drama after Goemon 3 in 2021 (they used to be admins there, then jumped ship with that admin team when they couldn't cancel the site owner) they became even more irrelevant, and snipes for their projects started as early as 2017 (sutte hakkun, super famicom wars, star ocean blue sphere, etc) with much higher quality than just mtl/ai slopjobsplus lady stalker isn't actually a good game even by the creator's admissionno one is waiting for the indian to save the day with a janky patch and spam the internet trying to convince us we actually love glitches and nonsensical sentences and that we totally don't deserve better
>>12764091There's absolutely no benefits. The Retroarch OCR translator will give you a complete sentence, you have control over the provider, you could even use a similar OCR tool that allows you to see the Japanese line and look up the words in a dictionary with a simple mouse hover and learn Japanese in the process much faster.Most AI/MTL romhack translations will gut the text and truncate it just to make it fit, they would totally automate this with a prompt.>>12764187>a patched rom is great for running on actual hardwareGreat for $60 bootleg carts with an "official english version" sticker you mean, like in the vietnamese pokemon days
I prefer ai translations over translations by people who clearly have an agenda and political opinions they want to shoehorn in. Its at least neutral. The fact that I dont even have to mention the political orientation and we all know what I mean is a clear sign that most people are aware of the problem.
>>12766139>you could even use a similar OCR tool that allows you to see the Japanese line and look up the words in a dictionaryThe Retroarch feature is awesome, but it still takes you out of the game. Having text actually inserted into the game enhances the experience.>>12766125>no one is waiting for the indian to save the day with a janky patch and spam the internet trying to convince us we actually love glitches and nonsensical sentences and that we totally don't deserve betterFrom what I've seen of the patch, there are some graphical glitches but nothing gamebreaking. The sentences themselves seem perfectly sensical. You can compare it with the Japanese text shared in that github link.It's not perfect, but I think people are acting like the result is worse than it is in reality. Auto-translation has improved a ton, and can easily handle the relatively simple text in a game like this. You're going to see "It cannot be helped," but it will all be comprehensible.
>>12766125>and with the RHDN drama after Goemon 3 in 2021 (they used to be admins there, then jumped ship with that admin team when they couldn't cancel the site owner)Oh god, so these are the retards that almost ruined the translation over what is pretty much an accurate translation?It's always the cancerous oldfags, isn't it?
>>12766139>There's absolutely no benefits. The Retroarch OCR translator will give you a complete sentence, you have control over the providerIt's fucking shit. I've worked with these tools before and you'll get weird shit/nonsense a lot of the times. AI translations has improved, but I'm pretty sure you'll have to pay to use the better stuff and you'll still have the issue of the OCR having no fucking context to your text and random genders all aroundAssuming (and I believe we have the confirmation in the thread) that the translation is at the minimum cleaned up, it's already superior to OCR
>>12766736>muh experience muh immersionIf you tolerate the jank that comes with a glitchy ai patch you don't care about that in the first place. Even the text in these screenshots looks like the pixel version of AIGen image slop.If you EVER emulated a game then you were fine with onscreen emulator text for "saved state 0" and you would be equally fine with a transparent text overlay (configurable at will) which you can call anytime with a dedicated button. You could do this on PC or even on mobile. It doesn't even require an internet connection.It's simply superior to incomplete scripts with the occasional hallucinations. You get the full JP content AND the full machine translation. You don't need the lazy jeet filter.>From what I've seen of the patch, there are some graphical glitches but nothing gamebreaking. The sentences themselves seem perfectly sensical.Working Designs localisations also have "perfectly sensical sentences" and "nothing too game breaking" should I play these too while I'm at it being the slop-guzzler cuck i am? I'm just getting another flavor of the same turd, the author doesn't respect the reader all the same, but this time instead of "shitpost" or "soapbox" it's "blatant dereliction of duty". No, *this* glitchy shitty translation isn't the special snowflake of shitty translations. Why would I make an exception for this? It has the charisma of a sloth's turd enshrined as a god by a tribe of skunks.>You can compare it with the Japanese text shared in that github link.I'm not an unpaid quality checker for the ai patch, and I'm not entering an astroturfed debate where I'm gaslit into thinking the hallucinations and lost nuances "akshully don't matter" while that intellectual effort of mine is secretly used to update the patch (because those nuances mattered all along). I refuse to engage with the scam. If I'm ever going to play this I will seek out the superior option (the no risk one that works on ALL games, too), thank you very much.
>>12763881i'm with those other anons. fuck these translators that have literally been sitting on it for 20+ goddamn years.i'd like to be able to play some of this shit before i die.
>>12767093tl;dr AI makes this anon mad so he will seethe instead of being objective.
>>12764568Machine assisted hacking is stealing ideas from creative programmers. Unlike programming translation is something a machine can do better than a human.
>>12767109Hi patch authorThere are better ways to play this game (and not just this one game) with machine translations, why are *you* mad about internet strangers not settling for this specific patch
>>12767119>Machine assisted hacking is stealing ideas from creative programmers.Ah, yes, the creative programmers who all hacked this unique piece of software.>Unlike programming translation is something a machine can do better than a human.Any jobless neet can scour online dictionaries too, including the ones not aggregated by a mechanical scope.
Some people here behave as if they were Bluesky users when it comes to AI. AI translation is not perfect, but at its current state it's already better than 90% of official translations we used to get back in the day, which makes it good enough.
>>12763881Oh geez, a m-m-machine translation? Somebody think of the artists and man-dresses who hate heteronormative white guys. Maybe it should have gotten done a decade or two ago.
>>12767141>There are better ways to play this gametoo bad there aren't any ways to make the game better.thanks, Naito.
>>12767146You didn't earn the brownie points. You didn't grow as a person. Any skill you once had before you started might've actually regressed. You were groomed in an echochamber that autistically screeches about old inanimate game translations that they were your abusive parents. Your disregard for art will render you completely unhirable across the industry. And you fail to feel that rush ever again as you fail to make anything of worth. That is the personal price for choosing conquest over creativity.
>creativity yeah human trannylators really are creative, cause they rewrite all the text so it's fanfiction, KEK gottem
https://warosu.org/vr/image/hRb0kxyGiUJ/MkVZ0XIQuAEmbarrassing curry-slurper. Also not /vr/
>>12767093>Working Designs localisations also have "perfectly sensical sentences" and "nothing too game breaking" should I play these too while I'm at it being the slop-guzzler cuck i am?Odd. This form of translation seems to give Working Designs haters exactly the sort of unlocalized translation they want, but their AI hatred prevents them from accepting it anyway. Oh well, it cannot be helped.I'd suggest chilling out and having a smoke, it might calm your nerves.
>>12767247What the fuck...>that flagI thought that was just a meme.
>>12767093>If you tolerate the jank that comes with a glitchy ai patch you don't care about that in the first place. Even the text in these screenshots looks like the pixel version of AIGen image slop.AI can potentially help with finding and removing any glitches as well. The text and font used can be replaced easily enough now that the basic hacking work is done. Either way, this now existing patch can serve as a stepping stone to help later hacks provide a more perfect version. >that intellectual effort of mine is secretly used to update the patch You don't have to do anything yourself, but this patch has made the process easier for anyone interested in fixing it up further.
>>12767373translations are tightly tied to attentionwhoring.think a little, if you have a good enough understanding of a language to be able to translate it, then you can play the game without needing a translation.the only reason to want to translate something is to grab attention and become a hero.and who wants attention other than aspies? trannies.
>>12767093>It's simply superior to incomplete scripts with the occasional hallucinations. You get the full JP content AND the full machine translation. You don't need the lazy jeet filter.It's not as good as this patch, for the reasons >>12766836 mentioned.
>>12765898I wonder why they kept wide spaces.
>>12767529Not sure. For fun, I tried to see how easy replacing the font would be with AI assistance. ChatGPT was able to extract the exact font used in Landstalker, and placed it into this Lady Stalker's English patch. I've added that new patch to the github, just apply it to the English patched rom with Lunar IPS if you want to try it out. I've only tested with the intro, but it seems to be working out so far and looks nicer to my eyes.
>>12767529Damn, I typed this using ideographic spaces (U+3000 or Shift-JIS 81 40) but it seems 4chan replaces them with regular spaces.
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>>12767541I'm impressed by your results and the Landstalker font looks great : the character and line spacing are so much better.On the other hand I find this pretty scary, did you just ask for the Landstalker font and bam, it changed the glyphs and character spacing table automaticaly?
>>12767561>On the other hand I find this pretty scary, did you just ask for the Landstalker font and bam, it changed the glyphs and character spacing table automaticaly?Honestly, more or less yeah. I handed the AI a Landstalker rom and told it to have a go at it. Or, the AI's explanation expanding on that:>It discovered that both games use compatible 16×15 one-bit glyphs, located Landstalker’s original font data, converted the byte order, and mapped the characters into Lady Stalker. It then found that Lady Stalker’s word spacing was too wide for the new font and adjusted that one spacing value after measuring every line in the released script.>So it wasn’t quite a blind one-click replacement—it did a fair bit of reverse-engineering and verification—but from my end it really was basically “here are the ROMs; see what you can do.”
>>12767565Pretty incredible it managed to pull it all off so quickly.
>>12767565ntafascinating, did it tell you if it accessed the landstalker dissasembly github?
>>12767570It did.>Yes—it did. During the investigation I accessed lordmir’s Landstalker disassembly, along with liblandstalker, as corroborating references.>Specifically, I located the font bank in the US ROM at 0x02A884 and confirmed that its bytes exactly matched the disassembly’s assets_packed/graphics/fonts/mainfont.1bpp. The actual patch builder extracts the font from the user-supplied Landstalker ROM and verifies both ROM hashes; it doesn’t require or redistribute that repository’s asset.>So the honest short answer is: yes, the disassembly GitHub helped—combined with direct ROM analysis and byte-for-byte verification.
>>12767576nice, still very impressive, but not approaching "black magic levels" anymore
Landstalker was decent, but this game kinda sucks. Why would yous be up in arms over an old game literally made for girls? Famitsu gave it mediocre reviews too
>>12767583being a Landstalker fan is suffering.the team broke up nearly immediately after due to drama, took the game in 3 different directions, and none of them were as good as Landstalker.
>>12767224I hope for your sake that this was ironic.
>>12767561Probably happens to be easy for the AI if it's using the same game engine.>>12767602And yet, the actual translation is or isn't AI?
>>12763881Gideon just got 'aped by a robot LOOOOOOOL
>>12764071This is what the same bskyfag going >MTL is simping for.Fucking battered housewives, i swear.
>>12763881Good, that means Aeon Garglesshits can scrap or finish it with no catch behind it.
>>12767651>or finishYou jest
So the author was OP then? Well at least he says upfront "It is a machine translation though" and doesn't parade himself like he cracked the code like some anti-Woolsite.
>>12767261>not /vr/You don't actually care about this, just want to own le jeets while most other shitters are making even gayer threads on nu/vr/
>>12767576What's your setup? I have copilot premium at work and would like to try some stuff out.>>12767583>Famitsu
stop crying about favela indians and either curate it or finish your translation like with Princess CrownBunch of slack jawed hootnannies
>>12767686>What's your setup? I have copilot premium at work and would like to try some stuff out.Nothing fancy. Just a normal ChatGPT Plus subscription, using Work mode with GPT-5.6 Sol, set to Extra High reasoning.
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>>12767541Based it looks way better now. Thanks for sharing.
>>12767546Thank god this was machine translated.
>>12767697No prob. Give me a sec to upload the newer version before you try it though, I had it updated to fix one of the omissions of the original English patch too.
>>12767703Now it'll display the translated battle start messages too.
>>12767704Just make sure to download Lady_Stalker_Landstalker_Font_FitSafe_v1.1.ips, and apply it to the English patched rom
>>12767694bleh, Copilot tried to access https://github.com/orcmasterjones-netizen/LadystalkerTranslationTools for the text extraction tool but was 403'd, fuck the IT department.
>>12767691>if you badmouth my shit you better fix it, uppity timmy dalit!how about no
As anon said above, now gib a proper landstalker translation.As better diagonal controls because Jesus Fuck.
>>12767703>didn't even test the first battle encounterHow comforting. That's the secret weapon we need to own the dramawhore team inactive since 2019, or localizers from reddit bsky or the famously left-wing "Xitter" who ruin important details in translations. What does Font_FitSafe even mean?
>>12767691>either curate it or finish your translationSeems simple enough, but I'd want to check the other related games to make sure translation choices line up, which requires me to play Landstalker and research official guides.
>>12767878Quintessential izzat-coded subhuman behavior
>>12767878>What does Font_FitSafe even mean?That the new font fits safely in the text boxes, I imagine.
>>12767878seething lmao
>>12767878Well, it's fixed now, so...
>>12767892Now test every other encounter and textbox, and make sure no other script is broken..v1.0, ladies and gentlemen.
>>12767546From the ai project>"<SPEAKER>「なんじゃと! いきなりわけのわからんこと いうな!<PAUSE_60><PAUSE_60><PAUSE_60><PAUSE_60><SPEAKER>「おまえこそ なんじゃ!オカマじゃという うわさじゃぞ!<PAUSE_60><PAUSE_60><PAUSE_60><PAUSE_60>">(オカマ)じゃという うわさじゃぞ!>DeepL / OCR version: There's a rumor you're a FAGGOT !>>12767701Thank israel and Sam Altman this was machine translated! Trannies and localizers are eternally owned by this (politically-correct) machine translation!Inb4 some jeet whines about how anti-AI and how homophobic and racist nu/vr/ has become as of late to defend this, it's no wonder you're so hostile to all forms of fan-translation besides your egs-friendly aislop
Some people really want to deny that this is cool, for moral reasons it seems more than anything technical. Yeah, the original uploader seems to have rushed it a bit. But as shown in this thread, it's just as easy to fix up. Even if it was rushed, the fact that a rushed out translation patch works this well is impressive enough.Like you're not fooling anyone, even yourself, if you try to say there's nothing useful about using AI for rom hacking.
>>12767908>オカマFucking LOL.
>>12767914>it's aiwtf i love censorship and missing text in my game translations! so useful and impressive and scary, much progress, owned the enemy
>>12767908"Dresses like a woman" is a fair translation for okama too. The term isn't equivalent to faggot, it can also just mean crossdresser.
>>12767920>wtf i love censorship and missing text in my game translations!Such as?
>>12767546>>12767908Wait so all nintendo treehouse should have done with their "type a / type b" shit is to put "this translation was generated by our ai lord and savior" and the jeet trannies shitting up this board would have defended it to death?
>>12767914If I wanted to see what kind of garbage the newest technology can produce I wouldn't play retro games.
>>12767908>relies on ai work to make his pointlol
>>12767937Yet you clicked on the "machine translation" thread. Curious.
>>12767942ur gey
>>12767923If that completely different sentence (to avoid a slur, which other machine translation providers didn't) is a "fair translation" then all of america's localization output in the last ten years is a "fair translation". The gall of jeet scammers knows no depth.
>>12767934It's like one shitter like Auster.
>>12767939It doesn't take an ai to know what オカマ means, not after the goemon 3 controversy which jeet trannies here pretend to care about
>>12767954It took an AI to give you that text comparison.
>>12767948So this is as good as having a modern professional localization, good to know.
>>12767541Fantastic. That font had me wondering if I had something fucked up in my emu config, like in the old days when ZSNES didn't support hi-res mod properly.
>>12767957No? It took a braincell and jisho dot com. I included the DeepL sample to rub it in, and it wasn't even the first choice (that was another rewrite) and I had to go out of my way to get it. Not even Working Designs or Nintendo in 2003 would censor like this, they used to replace オカマ with "transvesite" or "man" or "weirdo" and keep the rest of the sentence. This kind of rewrite for the entire sentence is exactly the RHDN requirement for Goemon 3.
>>12767961>goodThat word sure is an expletive with no intrinsic meaning for for the average jeet
>>12763881I don't give a fat shit what any of you have to say. I've been waiting 25 YEARS to play this game and now I finally can.
>>12767975>"transvesite"What do you think "wears women's clothing" means, genius?
>>12767984>my censored translation isn't that far off from the official localization censorship, idiotYou're a certified オカマ (f-slur version) and I'm perfectly sure you'll pretend nothing of this ever happened and go back to whining about official localization censorship and how good we have it with wi once the inevitable updated aislop patch drops
man the anti-ai luddites are gonna have a rough yea-... well, remainder of their lives ahead of them
>>12767996keep up the good fight, bharat sister!
>fightThere's no "fight", BlueSky users already lost the war.
>>12767908>There's a rumor you're a FAGGOT !no longer a rumor when it comes to the patch author
>>12768008They totally lost the censored localization war, now insolent jeets are shitting up all fan translation threads demanding acceptance for censorship of retro problematic games
If anyone doesn't like the original translation of オカマ here, they can use the tools in the linked github to change that line and update the translation patch quickly. That's how simple AI makes it.
>>12767996Yeah, this entire thread just makes the anti-ai side look batshit insane.
>>12768018Thank you AI for offering me the chance to fix problems caused by AI (and jeet work ethic) !
you know you can just prompt the ai to use ""offensive"" terms in the translation for accuracy's sake, right
>>12767996I've already accepted that it's over and the era of AI running every aspect of our lives will soon be upon us, but at this point I'm just looking forward to being able to feed it any random ROM and have it spit out some perfect translation or ROM hack, which will be my only remaining reason to keep going but a reason nonetheless.
>>12767541>>12767546>>12767559Aeon Genesis screenshot for comparison
>>12768035>he only lives to play 30+ years old videogamesWhat a sad pathetic life but also literally me too
>>12768024My word. I mean, who but the clinically insane would insist on including words like "faggot" or "tranny" in our "modern professional translation"? They have no place on the internet in the year of our ai lord and savior 2026. But by all means keep going about the woke localization cabal and how you should trust no translator or japanese speaker, we still need that for the clicks.
>>12768046see >>12768030
xhe's lost it, lmao. utterly mindbroken by AI...
>>12768030Just what I needed! An edgy Working Designs filter smeared all over the script (which I'll still refuse to translate) AFTER the (censored) translation was all said and done, to make everyone swear like sailors and fuck like a tiger. It's not like other fan translators weren't called trannies for much less right? But when it's jeet patches it's alright because we have the ai protected species card so they're "women", not trannies.
>>12768049>appeal to shameShame is a social construct just like gender according to our respectful LLM used for this Lady Stalker patch.I suggest updating the "stalker" part to something else because it's not too feminist for 2026
>>12768060>doesn't want modern localization>doesn't want literal translation>doesn't want soulful Working Designs/Tales of Phantasia style localization eitherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrs5auAkTk
>>12768080>doesn't want soulful Working Designs/Tales of Phantasia style localization eitherSoulful Working Designs writing with 2026 modern audience sensibilities by a pretentious writer AND it's an LLM trying creative writing? That's just Nintendo Treehouse with less braincells. And it wouldn't be by necessity but by choice when other options exist? I'd rather have cyanide.>doesn't want literal translationWhat about a complete sentence replacement screams "literal translation" here? Or is it that you assume "AI touched this = literal translation" regardless of reality?
>>12768080>doesn't want modern localizationYou have the gall to put this and the word "soulful" in the same post, you're beyond help
https://aeongenesis.net/?date=2008-11-14T21:55:17-08:00>This one too! Ladystalker has also been fully translated, also thanks to satsu! Unfortunately again, nothing to show for it yet :/>2008Apparently a full text translation has been completed since then. Now that any technical hurdles can be solved easily, it feels like a waste not to use these modern tools.
>>12767961I though fantrans were all about socking it to The Man?>>12768018You mean it's open for others to edit, or you mean as a fork?
>>12768125>I though fantrans were all about socking it to The Man?Not really, they're about letting more people play games in a language they understand.
>>12768124>p-p-please collaborate with meHonestly, at least with Aeon Genesis you still got uncut references to hitler or faggotry in the actual fan patch alongside the woke virtual signaling in the readme (puhlease i'm on your side and share your politics) so a release of that would be far more bearable than this shitshow, but everyone involved (and the game itself) is trash so i could care less. But Aeon Genesis are chronical bsky users AND their new RHDN replacement has a "ai patches welcome here but you have to register and consent to download" so are they still the "enemy we want to own" if they decide to collaborate with the ai project? Or will it all be forgiven just like the blatant censorship of the game text and the glitches with the magical glaze aura of "Made with AI"? Thinking about it AG could just dump his broken beta of the translation tomorrow and still have an instant bot fan club if he romhacks that gemini watermark permanently in every text box
>>12768145Man, who said anything about owning enemies? This is about Lady Stalker in English, nothing else.
>>12768128Until the next update of the Lady Stalker patch that replaces that one sentence (hint: there are others)Upon which the narrative will be that these patches are the only way to free the battered housewife gamer from the *tyranny* of woke localizations or awful inaccurate translations made by a *tranny* somewhere, and that they are perfect immaculate renditions of the original text and that you totally shouldn't learn japanese or check another translation, otherwise you would be a trans(lator), or one of those "anti-AI" enemies who reject salvation.
anyone ITT could just download the (J) rom, install python and run https://github.com/orcmasterjones-netizen/LadystalkerTranslationTools/blob/main/ladystalker_extract.pyHave fun translating.
>>12768165Not only that, there are tools in there for inserting your own text line-by-line, and updating the rom with your own English translation.
On a related note:https://www.timeextension.com/news/2026/03/dragon-quest-and-shining-legend-is-creating-a-famicom-rpg-with-characters-left-behind-by-the-late-yoshitaka-tamaki
>>12768235>Its origins come from the fact that Naito, Tamaki and Hiroyuki Takahashi all worked at Enix prior to establishing Climax, and had wanted to create a spin-off from Dragon Quest IV starring Princess Alena. When this was rejected, the idea was revisited as Lady Stalker, with Taito handling publishing duties.Neat.
>>12767871>a proper landstalker translation.there's nothing wrong with what we got. were you really that upset about the 'ballet studio'?
>>12768235yeah i heard.gee thanks Naito no don't give us something like Landstalker again who would want that! what everyone is REALLY clamoring for are fucking NES DQ derivates with featurebloat physical carts yeah for sure.
>>12768317Is more like have one just for the sake of uncersorship and proper names as a option since the jap and rom cart doesnt contain the en text like light crusader.
>>12768340In fact someone did thathttps://romhackplaza.org/romhacks/landstalker-remix-genesis
>>12767340I've been wondering about this specifically. Alundra is a game I would really like to play since I enjoyed Alundra 2 but I would like to play, uhh...I don't want the WD script. I don't usually do this but I would rather read an unedited MTL script with the genders all fucked up than this stupid Vic Ireland script. Is there anyone I can petition to make an MTL retranslation of Alundra 1 or should I just bite the bullet and play the WD version? I feel like I'm in a weird position, like the AI haters except the opposite, because Alundra has technically been 'translated' except not really and the only existing patches are to revert WD's stupid gameplay changes.
>>12763908>>12764049>>12764050>Complain about MTL>Complain about localisation>Complain about nothing movingYou'll never be happy
>>12767929Look up Fire Emblem
>>12768472>Alundra has technically been 'translated' except not reallyI don't know if it'll change your mind or anything, but Alundra is actually fairly faithfully translated as far as I can tell, especially compared to other WD localizations. It doesn't have a ton of silly WD stuff outside of Bonaire. I'd recommend the English script and say a MTL one is almost certainly going to be worse in this case.
>>12768505I really appreciate the info, man. I'd avoided Alundra 1 even though I heard it was a great game because I heard all these stupid fucking stories about Vic Ireland encouraging his retarded stoner buddy to insert himself into the game and the giving head thing and it all seemed like a lot of silly bullshit. But if you say it's fine apart from a couple of flecks of shit then I've got no problem. I'll just unworking designs the gameplay, use one of those patches, and play the game. Appreciate it.
>>12768505>is actually fairly faithfully translatedAh yes, faithful
>>12768510>the giving head thingThis one comes from a pre-release version that never actually made it into the final game.>>12768521You posted it before I could. But despite it getting shared all the time, it's not actually in the game.
>>12768523What about Boner talking like a stoner Michealangelo
>>12768530That one is real. Here's the source of the "head" quote:https://www.neogaf.com/threads/oh-working-designs-and-your-wacky-translations.374077/page-2Victor Ireland himself shared it on NeoGAF back in 2009.
>>12768535>That one is real.I know, I'm saying is it faithfully translated in your opinion
>>12768537I already wrote "outside of Bonaire." Be a dishonest prick somewhere else, I'm having fun sharing shit about the game.
>>12768330it's not like he has the budget and a team behind him to pull off a landstalker followup. turn based and rpg is all he can manage with the resources available
>>12768543Unless you're not being prick and asking sincerely, in which case, I apologize. Bonaire being a stoner Michelangelo is not faithful to the original version.
>>12768546There are some cases of dialogue in WD games being mistaken as something they invented, but actually being in the original. Like the Dragon Diamond being Quark's shit in Lunar, that was in the original game too.Bonaire isn't one of those cases though.
>>12768545nigga if he wants to go NES, i would accept a Solstice-like. anything but fucking washed up, played out, old as dirt fuckin Dragon Quest.
>MTLGood.If it makes a tr00n hang himself, then it's a good thing.
>>12767559>Coxfucking DROPPED, his name is COCKS
>>12768714Seriously though, lots of nice art was made for the game.https://videogameartarchive.com/tagged/lady%20stalker
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>>12768715>>12768714
>>12767914The hacking is cool, the under-tested/translation-proofed nature is not.>>12767983But you already can with a realtime translator, and what's better, if these tools are "improving all the time," you didn't immortalize a soon-to-be-dated build in the game.>>12768714Per the (probably AI-generated) github documentation:>Decorative text baked into artwork, such as the title logo, is not OCR output and lies outside the engine text stores. The dump covers the complete engine-readable message and dynamic-name stores for this exact ROM revision.In other words it's not going beyond the scope of the raw readible text and you can't feed additional data like this into it.>inb4 japs and their transillyterationsYet this character has been Cocks for 25 years.
>>12768714>>12768992If you're going to adjust it, make it "Cooks". >a コック>dubbed コックスBecause he's a chef. Duh. It likely got mistyped or mistransliterated because it's a loanword from ANOTHER language. Example here where original transcriber and the machine were both blind.Honestly I don't want to dispense more info like this if it hinders another hack, I'm reminded of AG's Splatterworld patch that stole Greddy for a character name after debating otherwise because a perceived rival was publicly posting updates that happened to have with Greddy in it. You just can't win.
>>12768992>The hacking is cool, the under-tested/translation-proofed nature is not.Agreed. Which is why I've been playing around with it seeing if I can test it and fix it up a bit for fun.>But you already can with a realtime translatorWouldn't a real-time translator be even less reliable, because it's only acting message-per-message? It has no overall context for the game. Basically what >>12766836 said. >immortalize a soon-to-be-dated build in the game.I can see your concern here, but nothing needs to be immortalized. Part of the reason I tried throwing together tools for playing with the patch was to show people how easy it is now for other people to update/fix this into something better if they choose to.I do understand the concern though, there's a risk that people will feel less incentive to release their own translation patch of the game now. Another reason I'm playing around with it is to help avoid having an incomplete release be the main existing option in the case nobody ever chooses to fix it up. So I figured I could try polishing some things like the font up myself and save people some time editing it. I know the romhacking.net page says he plans to update it, but who knows if or when. It's also partially just a fun test of AI for me. But if it gets a better version of the patch out there, something worthwhile might come out of the experimenting. >>12768992>Per the (probably AI-generated) github documentation:To be clear, that github isn't from the original creator/uploader of the patch, I started it in this thread. See >>12765898>Yet this character has been Cocks for 25 years.I think it would be funny to keep it as Cocks in English, but let's be real here few localizers would make that choice. Especially back in the 90s, if you're going for that. Cox isn't a terrible choice, being a real name that sounds like Cocks, but Cooks might be better as >>12769038 said.I also posted >>12768714 btw
Currently messing with the menus, seeing if I can clean them up a bit.
>>12769059For comparison, the current version of the patch on romhacking.net does this with the inventory.
>>12769058Also, I'd rather not get into any weird factional disputes or drama or whatever, I'm not playing around with the patch to "own my enemies" or "stick it to fan translators" or anything like that like someone in the thread seems to think. I would be happier seeing Aeon Genesis release the one he's been working on too, or someone else releasing a polished fan translation. Also, I don't mean to be hard on RetroArch's OCR translator, I think it's a great option to have. I played through Slayers on PC-98 with a similar feature years ago, which was nice before the fan translation for that came out.
>>12769038>>12768714This guy seems more like a chef than a cook (there's usually a professional difference, chefs are higher up than cooks, but「コック」tends to be used more casually/interchangeably in Japanese) but I haven't played the game so I'm just going off the vibe of the character's design. It all depends on what kind of translation style you're going for:>"Cocks" if you're a literalist, but no native English speaker is going to think of "cook" as the root word like a Japanese person>"Cox" and "Cooks" are both corrections of the above, the former resembling a real name and the latter preserving the intended pun; the former reads like something a machine would default to unless you give it some more contextMy preference to tick the boxes optimally, if I'm right about a chef fitting the context more than a cook, is "Chev" - a real nickname that serves as an obvious pun of the (probably) intended word and keeps the spirit well enough for a playable version. The only downside is that you MIGHT get know-it-all purists complaining about going a bridge too far...
>>12769205Chev is a cool idea and sounds nice, though you're right it would probably bug purists.
But what if Cocks was chosen not only because he's a cook, but also because he's into cocks? Haven't played the game far enough to see if he's gay or just a crossdresser. Joking, but it is funny the secret okama is named Cocks.
>>12767864>i don't wanna do anything but complain like a typical tranny!sounds about right
>>12768714It's Poo all over again
LLMs just try to statistically replicate what translators would do, you're not going to ideologically own the people it's trained off of with it.
So... where is the url to the translation patch?
>>12769490romhacking
>>12765191Damn I guess. I stumbled through the Japanese version because I like the artwork and music, at least I'll be able to get past the first town and have fun walking around. I wonder if people could just pay a professional translator, they exist for business purposes.
I've always preferred a good localization. Japanese isn't a language you can directly translate to english, you have to approximate the intention behind the words not just the bare meaning. These machine translations are way better than they used to be, but they still can't match a real translation.Take Ace Attorney for example, setting aside the few very dated meme references in the script, they had to painstakingly figure out how to convey all the puns and make them make sense through an American lens. And they did an incredible job of it, the series wouldn't have gotten anywhere if it simply went for a word for word translation.I guess for games that don't have very clever or cultural writing, or any word play, machine is probably fine. But seeing people use it for stuff like VN's or serious RPGs just hurts my soul.
>>12769554I thought they banned mtls?
>>12768637No worries, this MTL provides a safe space for troons and avoids mistakes like the very problematic Goemon 3 fan translation. Now censorship and mistranslations is a protected practice you're no longer allowed to criticize, thanks to the magic of ai glazing.
>>12769058>I think it would be funny to keep it as Cocks in English, but let's be real here few localizers would make that choice.Yeah anything that falls outside of what the perfect ai translation said is bad and unprofessional, developer canon and supplemental material be damned (ain't nobody got time for that). It's cringe, and not even because I have an opinion of my own but because that's what the very first mtl choice said. Cocks is too offensive for a "modern professional translation". Btw have I mentioned again how awesome the proofreading process is?
>>12769320>criticizing translations is spiritual hormone therapyso you mean to say /vr/ were troons all along, rightmakes sense when you call everyone a tranny
>>12769824see >>12769080Play around with this idiot instead >>12768637
>>12769404You're not going to do better than the humans willingly ignoring and omitting details, obsessed with lying and keeping appearances (towards the jp devs), and following a taboo checklist of what topics to sabotage and censor...by using the text generator that doesn't care about those details but only keep appearances of a complete cohesive text, that has that same list of taboos as "ethical guardrails", and you use that to clean up after a machine translation, because you don't care about those details and only want a 100% strings translated tonight vroom vroom brrr...and then you (the author) lie to keep up appearances that you did more than what you did, promising things you never did, and describing the work in a way that makes it obvious even you never checked it, much less reviewed properly. You'd then debate the meaning of that "properly" and would gladly defend the inexusable just to reach the conclusion "i am perfect, the patch is perfect, if there's anything wrong it's with the criticisms, their criteria and ideals they're founded on, and anyone voicing them". That first draft is perfection, effort is unneeded, no, wasteful and bad, critical thinking is the devil, and ignorance is the way to go.That's not advancement, that's regression in practice since more of the same of the shit translation practices is still there but with the "controlled opposition" flavor and an author screeching "why you deserve less". The even more toxic attitude of the authors that rivals lolcow localizers is just the cherry on top, I root for the doom of both of them, both the petri dish of mental ilnesses and the callcenter scammer wgo wants to convince you you totally need to redeem his steam cards.
>>12769861>...and then you (the author) lie to keep up appearances that you did more than what you did, promising things you never did, and describing the work in a way that makes it obvious even you never checked it, much less reviewed properly. You'd then debate the meaning of that "properly" and would gladly defend the inexusable just to reach the conclusion "i am perfect, the patch is perfect, if there's anything wrong it's with the criticisms, their criteria and ideals they're founded on, and anyone voicing them". I don't think the author is even posting in the thread.>That first draft is perfection, effort is unneeded, no, wasteful and bad, critical thinking is the devil, and ignorance is the way to go.And this is the opposite of what's happening in the thread, people are talking plenty about the flaws of the first draft.Like you're just inventing things to get mad about and then working yourself up.
>>12769080>>12769849I'm not against that particular use case of vibecoding (identifying jp fonts by hand is madness) nor against using machine translations for OCR / injection real-time patches as they double as learning tools. I'm not even against sniping, and not because it's sane to hate on someone for taking too long to release a patch, but because AG's case is special as they interfered with translation romhack approvals and discussions of games they "claimed" but that's beating a dead horse after romhacking decentralised after the 2020 RHDN shitshow.I'm against 1998-era quality standards and turd translations glazed out of tribalism just like a resetera user would defend fire emblem fates localization with all of its faults just to "spite the chuds" (and i'm certain this board isn't immune to them trolling it using the tranny magical word to make you go along with whatever bullshit they peddle, and no being pro-ai and leftist and modern censorious localizer isn't even mutually exclusive, that's peak bullshit and there's tons of examples disproving it)My condolences to whoever is cleaning up after the MTL but you're better off vibecoding the entire thing off the jp version and redoing the translation part rather than deal with the mystery soup of bugs this has. Just looking at the current spreadsheet's jp column is tragic. Stop rewarding low effort trash that expects jannies to clean up after it.
>>12769872Thanks for giving an explanation. I see where you're coming from now.>My condolences to whoever is cleaning up after the MTL but you're better off vibecoding the entire thing off the jp version and redoing the translation part rather than deal with the mystery soup of bugs this has.Yeah, I considered that same thing halfway through. I still might end up doing that, but this seems to be working out better than expected. Most of the bugs seem to be in the menus and battle messages, and I can probably fix those. The translation part itself might have to be totally redone at some point, I'm not going to pretend I know how good it is (I've got like 2 years of high school Japanese and anime knowledge aka nothing). To my eyes, your "1998-era quality" sounds about right, it reminds me of old translations that were functional enough to get you through the game but ripped out important nuances. But if things like fitting items into the menu and getting the battle messages debugged works out, maybe it will help someone insert a better translation later. Obviously I'll have to test it all a ton after.>Stop rewarding low effort trash that expects jannies to clean up after it.You're probably right about that, but at this point I've come far enough that I'll try to finish cleaning this one up. Yes, I do it for free. >Just looking at the current spreadsheet's jp column is tragic.Hopefully you just mean it's tragic comparing it to the current English column. I'm hoping that the Japanese side of that spreadsheet can help anyone who wants to totally replace the English column in the future.
>>12769912Of course I don't want to promise too much either, this is still mostly just a fun experiment for me, so I can't guarantee I'll finish polishing it if I get busy, or if something stumps me.
>>12769928Are you going to over the JP text or the vibetranslated one? Should we do more threads about this in case you want to keep going? I'm curious to see if /vr/ can do better than AG and MTL bros. This looks promising.
Good lord all this schizobabble is impossible to follow from BOTH sides. Why can't we have translators that released projects in a timely manner like 20 years ago? Why do I have to take a side between Pedosky trannylators and jeet AI Vibetranslators? I hate it here.
>>12769956Because like 20 people are gonna play this game this year tops, so it's all a moot point, but you dogs beneath me like to argue over which political germs are wrapped around your gross little scraps, snapping at wach other for alpha dominance, but people like me are just watching in disgust as I watch these animals argue over a game they were never going to play anyway
>>12769949Just chiming in to say we had several attempts at /vr/-group translation but then disagreements and trolling soon happens. If it works out then good luck.>>12769956Walk the harder road, the middle path. It is more fulfilling.
The irony of all this vibe coding is that ROM hacking is not very difficult. I understand using machine translation. Learning Japanese takes thousands of hours of studying over many years. I don't agree with it, but I get it. The same cannot be said of making ROM hacks. Unlike learning Japanese, you can become proficient ROM hacking in less than a month, maybe a little longer if you aren't already acquainted with programming. Doing things "the right way" is not an insurmountable hurdle.
>>12766102W-washi does mean eagle! :'(
>>12770082>The same cannot be said of making ROM hacks. Unlike learning Japanese, you can become proficient ROM hacking in less than a month, maybe a little longer if you aren't already acquainted with programming. Doing things "the right way" is not an insurmountable hurdle.It's still more time consuming, even if not insurmountable. What took weeks or months can potentially be done in a day or hour now.And how challenging it is depends on what specifically you're trying to accomplish. There's been plenty of projects delayed because of technical issues, that wouldn't happen at all if it were always totally trivial work. You might get stuck figuring things out, in which case AI can help you see what you're missing.An example:https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/comments/1v5wj68/ai_and_romhacks_a_developers_nuanced_letter_to/>I have been a software engineer for 11 years, I've seen the transition from the old to the new world. My company has moved from an "use as much AI as you can" mindset to a "you better be frugal with AI" one because Anthropic decided to move to usage rather than subscription pricing.>I use AI everyday at work and didn't want to use it in my hobbies. Then my hack developed a game ruining bug where catching certain polemon would crash the game. I tried for months to fix it, I could stop some crashes but not all, and I'm literally a professional and experienced developer. I turned to pret discord but the issue was specific to unique features of my hack so no help there. Finally I used Codex and in three prompts it found the root cause and fixed it. The root cause was buried in a memory address conflict between data that normally never interact but do in this one particular flow. I would never have found that. It wasn't a matter of saving time, it done something I couldn't.It's better time if you understand things yourself too, but I can't understand the mindset of totally refusing a tool that can massively speed up your work.
>>12770082Maybe we're just different-brained people, but man, I feel the opposite.
>>12769949>Are you going to over the JP text or the vibetranslated one?I think a new translation would ideally work from the original Japanese text. Personally, I'm more interested in seeing if I can fix up stuff in the patch like fonts, menus, item names, and messages until it looks clean. If all of that works well, replacing the MTL text with a proper human translation shouldn't be too hard. I can't be much help with the actual translation part.>Should we do more threads about this in case you want to keep going?You don't have to, but feel free to make new Lady Stalker threads whenever you want to talk about the game . I check /vr/ fairly often so I could post updates in those. I could also make an update thread myself after this one dies, assuming I have something worth sharing.
>>12769956be the change you want to see and hack and translate yourself.
>>12770102>What took weeks or months can potentially be done in a day or hour now.From what I've seen, vibe coded hacks do the bare minimum to be considered functional. It's not fair to compare them to fully fleshed out, thoroughly polished ROM hacks. A more fair comparison would be to compare them to text extraction and insertion proof of concept demos, and those only take about a day. (Usually, anyway. Some games are more complex. But I've yet to see a "complex" game be vibe coded through so that's irrelevant for now).This post about Splatterworld was made less than seven hours after the ROM was released. Within two days, they got the hacking for the game to about an equal state to where the Lady Stalker hack is now, with a build process that takes text from a spreadsheet and inserts it into the game. The hacking didn't stop there, though. They went on to spend the next month rearranging and rewriting the code for every menu in the game to overcome item name character limits. They didn't just make a menu window wider (though most vibe coded hacks can't even manage that), they completely overhauled every menu that displays item names.ROM hacking is the quintessential example of "the last 10% takes 90% of the work." And that's where the trouble with vibe coding lies. It doesn't make code bases that are scalable and enable the complex overhauls needed for that last 10%. That's by design. AI companies don't want you to take output from their products and be able to expand upon it freely. They want you to be stuck with an inextricable mess of code so that you have to keep paying the AI company to be able to maintain it. AI generated code isn't designed for scalability. It's designed to lure you in with quick results and keep you trapped asking the AI for help every time a problem crops up.That isn't to mention the average vibe coder doesn't care about quality enough to even attempt that last 10%.
>>12770243Well it might be that the ideal use of AI coding is to help people with polishing up that last 10% and finding bugs, rather than using it to do the entire first 90% for you.
>>12767583Landstalker sucks, this game must be total shit then
>>12770253I agree. But someone who is already skilled using LLMs to work slightly faster isn't what is causing outrage.
>>12770165nah seeing both sides bitch about new translations is way more fun
>>12770257>t. got lost in Greenmaze.
>>12770259Yeah, that's fair. In this case, the patch posted on romhacking.net is clearly pretty rushed out the door too. For example, it removes the voice blip sounds while talking to NPCs. Like in Landstalker, that's an important part of the game's soul, so it has to be included. Even as an early version release of a hack, it would've been nice to make note of that at least. I've been messing with it more. The voice blips are back in and the scrolling text during battles is working now. Going to try to get more of them menus looking prettier, then I can share an updated patch for whoever wants it.
>>12770103What game and platform, if any, did you try to learn hacking with? Even if you aren't super into them, I think it's a good idea to do your first hack on a primitive and well documented platform like the NES or Game Boy. Doing a project for one of those teaches you how to do this type of thing without getting lost in the weeds of the more complicated architecture of later systems.
>>12770461>superThat one. My translation was the easy part but the "last 10%" issues (implementation and presentation) stalled stuff for a while.
From this
>>12770584To thisThings are getting closer
>>12770586This some variable width font wizardry or what?
>>12770640That's exactly what it is. Variable width font is working for for the inventory in and out of battles, and in shops now.The battle messages and everything else I've tested seem to work fine now. Took me forever to test the critical hit message because it wasn't triggering, but eventually I saw it. Some of the battle messages are a little too long at the moment, but no other issues there. The last thing I wanted to do was just polish up some of the text in the menus (like the messed up looking "attack" in this screenshot) and then I can share what I've got. There might be stuff I missed since I haven't tested an entire playthrough, I've only played until the second town so far. But after that's done I'll share the patch in this thread. It won't change the translation, but the game should feel better to play than the initial state of the patch. Good enough to get through the game, and then hopefully someone can give it a proper human translation eventually.
>>12769956>Why can't we have translators that released projects in a timely manner like 20 years ago?What's hilarious is that the ones from 20 years ago aren't any better either
>>12770082>>12770102Plus, out of those "technical issues", you apparently have very few people with very specific expertise. Why did they translate the PS1 version of Linda3, according to older threads, it's because there's less people with the knowhow to do the Saturn version, which is a shitshow to work with, while PS1 is easier and there's more people around with the ability to work on that and overall more documentation. And apparently there's like a single guy that can do... what was it? Subs for TG-16 cutscenes? And he's picky on what he works on apparently
>>12770257Someone got filtered at the swamp shrine
>>12767642not the first gaping
Alright, taking a break for a bit. I think this updated patch is good enough for anybody who wants to test out the game now. The only thing I've noticed that I've got to clean up still is the item storage menus are getting a little messed up. The actual storage and retrieval still works fine though.https://github.com/orcmasterjones-netizen/LadystalkerTranslationToolsThe tools in there can be ignored for now, just download the patch uploaded today (there's one that can be applied directly to the Japanese rom, and one that can be applied to a rom already patched with the MTL patch on romhacking.net).I'll update it with the storage fixed later sometime, but I'm going to be out and don't want to let the thread die without sharing where I got with all this. I tested the game up until after the sewers, and everything worked fine that far. Can't do anything about the translation, but it's at least enough that you'll know how to get past the puzzles and where to go. I think it feels way better to play now, no glitchy battle messages or menus besides the storage, voice blips are back, items fit in the menus (a few might be cut off awkwardly, but nothing major). Give it a shot if you want, and if you notice anything let me know. I didn't play far enough to get magic or the other party members, so the menus related to that might be messy still. It's worth trying the first hour or so of the game though, it's actually pretty fun. Definitely deserves a proper translation eventually.
>>12772157Here's a normal working menu
>>12772162You're doing God's work, anon.
>>12764643Why would you know any of these losers names and personality types
Hoping and praying for moonlight syndrome translation, I don't even care if it's AI or whatever at this point
Okay, I think this one is pretty good now. The only issues I've noticed testing the first part of the game are that some menus like the Storage leave some visual noise (black lines flash for a moment) when opening them. The old problems should be fixed. Big warning though that it's only been tested in the early portions of the game.There might be some small things left untranslated, I notice when getting a game over that the dead party member symbol is still a Japanese character. LadyStalker_English_Patch_for_Japanese_ROM.ips is the lastest patch you want, or just get the Lady Stalker - English.sfc file uploaded today.https://github.com/orcmasterjones-netizen/LadystalkerTranslationTools
>>12773145If you don't care if it's MTL, you can play it right now with the "AI Service" feature of RetroArch. There is zero reason to wait for someone to vibe code a patch for you.
>>12773727aeon genesis preview with that same line
Yeah, right now it's still>Dead = 死 >Poison = 毒 >Paralysis = 痺 >Sleep = 眠 >Tiny = 小
>>12773790An easy quick fix would be replacing them with letters, like how >>12769059 replaced the equip character with "E".You'd have to deal with Poison and Paralysis sharing "P" though, maybe using "R" for Paralysis?
>>12773795R = restricted lol, good enough
>>12773795What about>D(ead)/K(O) = 死 >T(oxic) or P(oison) = 毒 >P(aralysis) or S(tun) = 痺 >S(leep) or N(ap) = 眠 >M(ini) or L(ittle) = 小Just spitballing a few alternatives here.
>>12773795V[enom] could also work in context if the only enemies that poison you are beast/animal-like.
>>12773824>>12773837Good suggestionsFor now, went withD = DeadP = PoisonR = ParalysisS = SleepT = TinyNew version with that change added to the github.
Here's an example of how a MTL might trip you up though - there's a part of the game where you need to read a story from fragments in the library. You pass the puzzle by selecting the 8 books containing pieces of the story in order.Here are the fragments in this translation:1. "Bebikichi was very hasty, so..."2. "So everyone, please be careful too."3. "And was often badly hurt."4. "There was a Baby Baron named Bebikichi..."5. "He mistook people for rocks..."6. "Once upon a time, in a certain place..."7. "Inside a cave..."8. "There was a Baby Baron..."And here is the solution:6 - Once upon a time, in a certain place...4 - There was a Baby Baron named Bebikichi...8 - There was a Baby Baron...1 - Bebikichi was very hasty, so...7 - Inside a cave...5 - He mistook people for rocks...3 - And was often badly hurt.2 - So everyone, please be careful too.As you can see, it's confusing. Especially the order for books 4 and 8.
Is this game even any good? Graphically it somehow looks worse than LandStalker.
Noticed a small graphical error with the latest version on github. When using items your health bar can glitch up a bit. It goes away after though. Other than some ugliness like that when using items and opening some menus, it's all working so far.>>12774142It's decent. I don't think it's as good as Landstalker, but I'm enjoying what I've played. It's more RPG-like than Landstalker. Like you get into random battles with enemies and get a party of three characters with spells and everything. You can't jump, but you can dash. Lots of small (easy so far) puzzles. The isometric action RPG combat is a little awkward and the enemies feel kinda dumb, but it works okay.The npcs and the story are pretty charming too, even with the MTL talking to people has been fun (especially with the npc voice noises added back). It's amusing to me how the island you visit for treasure is treated as a tourist attraction, with a tour of the dungeon and getting your photo taken. It's something that would benefit from a strong translation, so I hope the Aeon Genesis version does come out someday. Overall, I'd say it's worth trying out if you're a Landstalker/Dark Savior fan. Not a top tier SNES game or anything, but solid.
>>12774192If landstalker controls werent ass.
King Nole must have killed this guy's dog and stole his lithograph or something.
>>12774248Is mostly because without the remix patch is terrible to control due to being a old ass tank controls attempt.With it, is wonderful.
>>12774463i managed just fine as a 10 year old.
Bump
>>12764071Is calling dibs on japanese untranslated games actually a thing?Do these adults really lose their shit when someone else translates it?
>>12774192>Noticed a small graphical error with the latest version on github. When using items your health bar can glitch up a bit. It goes away after though. Other than some ugliness like that when using items and opening some menus, it's all working so far.Fixed this. Just trying to make the items look a little neater now, and playtesting.
>>12763881i remember seeing this game. it's on the snes
>>12777005It's like a silent universally understood agreement. These things obviously takes time and people are interested in the end result, so you blog about your progress and yadda yadda and you don't feel like you're doing this for nothing. This also indicate to other translators/hackers that you're doing it so they don't one up, wasting your time, or don't waste their time attempting it either, so they could, hopefully, translate something elseThe issue obviously comes when fuckers don't deliver, and never indicates that a project is dropped despite it being going on for almost 20 fucking years. You could say that's definitively a breach of the "silent agreement"
>>12777005These projects take a lot of man hours. It's less about making people mad and more about not being the dork who spends 500 hours working on a game only to have the person who announced their project earlier finish and leave your work redundant. There's an endless supply of untranslated games, so no one is going to pick one someone else is working on.Ideally, people open source their projects from the start so that if they become abandoned, someone else can pickup from where they left off rather than start over from the beginning. That's what happened with the Xenon PC-98 patch. It started development in 2013, changed hands 5 times, and was released earlier this year. Though with the recent deluge of rush job MTL patches, I expect we're going to be seeing a lot less of that in the future. No one wants their work appropriated by AI bros who care more about attention than quality.
>>12777049>>12777451Sitting on translations should only be respected if it's actively worked on. Meaning ONE of them, or maybe 2-3 at most. Idiots hogging a dozen should just be ignored.Besides, some people see it as a hobby, and there are tons of time-wasting translations, e.g. all the non-english ones.
>>12766102Eagle/Eagleself.
>if you dont play the game the way I want you to its bad!
>>12777553Put yourself in the shoes of a hacker or translator. Suppose you just finished a big project and are now deciding what to work on next. You have a big list of untranslated games you love and consider candidates for your next project. Let's say there's 15 games on it. One of them is listed on Aeon Genesis' website as "in progress." The other 14 aren't. You aren't going to pick the one on his website, no matter long ago the last update was. You're going to pick one of the other 14. I'm not saying how things ought to be. I'm saying how they are.
>>12777564>18 years pass>Oh... STFU.
>>12777564I will pick the one I want because I owe these idiots nothing
>>12768718My god her legs go for days. Bet it's another thousand miles before you can see white.God bless Japan.
