It was bitchin'. 3D movement brought more freedom but less tightness.
we had them during the 32-bit era as well
>>12772080Not OP but 32bit era has a very small amount of sidescroll action, understandable since it was 3D hype era, but yeah if you want the best sidescroll action platformers it's mostly on NES, Genesis and SNES.It was the genre that was popular during 3rd and 4th gen. Sure there's lots of shit but also many of the best ever.PS1 has SotN and MMx4, Saturn has X4 and Taromaru, N64 has Mischief Makers and Goemon's Great Adventure and honestly all these games are top tier, but they are a rarity in the consoles they are in.
Glorious 32 bits era
RotS > S3
>>12772080How good exactly is the PlayStation Stryder? I always felt the original, in any version, fell behind both Ninja Gayden and the best of Shinobi, but that one I've been eager to try
>>12772152Strider is arcade-perfect on PS1, but the music is different.Strider 2 is quite fun as well.
>>12772152Strider 2 is the kind of game that's easy to get through if you're casual about it, but if you want to get good it's all about scoring. I really like the artstyle.
>>12772140>ut yeah if you want the best sidescroll action platformers it's mostly on NES, Genesis and SNES.Arcade needs to be remembered too. Just give yourself a healthy 5 credit limit, set it to easy or normal and get better from there.
>>12772072the trouble with 3d movement is that it's really hard to incorporate a dynamic aiming mechanic without heavy compromises I.E. turning the game into a copy paste mouse shooter. the jumping part mostly translates but not whipping or shooting enemies during that jump.
>>12772168Yeah, but arcade has less platforming and more shooting/beat em up games.There's really no equivalent to Mega Man X on arcades, and sometimes the arcade titles of great series aren't up to standard (Haunted Castle).But yeah arcade has Metal Slug and all that good shit too
Shinobi III mogs every other game there
>>12772072Don't need two Castlevanias and Contras up there.Could easily ditch Alien Wars for Rocket Knight Adventures, and drop Bloodlines for Ranger X
>>12772215Console platformers are casual shit, arcade GnG, Black Tiger, Magic Sword, Rygar, Rastan, Ninja Spirit etc. mog any megayman.
>>12772957Ranger X is one of the most impressive games of the era but it's hard to get into. Playing that is like trying to learn how to play an instrument where you gotta retrain your hands
>>12772971A lot of times arcade games are more casual lol. Arcade games are literally by nature designed to be quick, and emphasize spectacle over shit like exploration. Yeah a lot of times the difficulty gets cranked up because they wanted people to put more money in the machine but that's usually the only reason why
>>12772072I've got two games on my radar that seem appropriate for this threads knowledge base.Chakan and Demons Crest, what am I in for? I just finished the Slaughterhouse trilogy and want to move onto one of these
>>12772957>>12773754ranger x is one of the best looking games on the genesis but it plays like shit. many such cases for that console
>>12773812>least retarded consoleshitter comment
>>12772072Contra and Wild Guns are the only "tight" games there. Shit like Super Metroid are proto walk-sims that work much better in 3D
>>12773901I don't have any objective preference between arcade or consoles, when I play fighting games 90 percent of the time I'm going for the arcade version because it looks and feels better. I'm just saying it's true, arcade games by nature are kinda designed to be "casual experiences" because of what they are, meant to be played by people passing through, while console games more often are meant to be played over a while. It's not a hard and fast rule but it's the general truth
>>12773947Super Metroid benefits a lot from immersive atmosphere. And 3D games can't create lush atmosphere because they have to try and be bland and realistic rather than artistically stylized.
>>12773950>>12773901
>>12773952>I'm a retarded 2d poserWe know
>>12772971Post your no damage run of mega man X
>post gay forced challenge of this baby megayman gameHow about I play a good game instead
>>12773947>Wild GunsOTS shooty trash
>>12774112Why are you obsessed with trannies
>>12772072Fucking killer selection here. I'd also add Rocket Knight Adventures on Genesis, as well as Sparkster and Magical Pop'n on SNES.
>>127739473d metroid creates two major problems.1. because of the complexity of 3d you have to greatly reduce the scope of tile interaction, the granular interactivity of super's environments gets reduced to destructible wall patches and beacons.2. it's much harder to balance the needs of a platformer and a shooter in 3d especially when you're unwilling to conform to mouse keyboard, the movement skill ceiling that helped keep padding interesting in super gets replaced with super basic fpp platforming and an occasional morphball minigame.
>>12774161>>12774161 #Metroid already completely kills the point of a real run 'n gun, so might as well just focus on exploration and immersion which works 1000% times better in 3D. Cadash and Monster world are as much exploration you can put in an action side-scroller without it turning into slop
>>12774162nope. your original point was arrogant and poorly thought out and you don't get handwave out of it. there is merit to 2d metroid.
>>12774172Only casual shitters and 2d posers wank over metroid and metroidlikes, always been this way
>>12773842Chakan is not very good but Demon's Crest is an extremely good game except for the true final boss.
>>12774171>exploration and immersion which works 1000% times better in 3DYeah because exploring undetailed generic environments is much more enthralling It's a visual medium not a simulation. Comics look better illustrated than rendered with models, so do animated films, and also video games
>>12774181There's no such thing as a "2d poser" on a retro board. 2d is real retro, 3d is fake retro. 3d is for posers, aka modern gamers posing as retro gamers
>>12774197There is merit to this only because if you like 3D gaming and dislike 2D you have zero reason to play retro 3D. At that point it becomes "sovl" wank about how nostalgic dated graphics are which isn't a real argument. 2D graphics came to a peak in the 90s, 3D graphics were just starting and look objectively worse than modern games
>3d is le generic >2d is le real le retroSuch a retarded retort but zoomer 2d posers be like that. Funniest part is they cry and get anal when you recommend them real 2D games.
>>12774208I was born in the 80s. If you were born after 95 and can't prove it with ID like I can, don't respond
>>12774213Posing as a manchild isn't doing you any favor
>>12774128I keep tabs on all things talmud 0520397398
>>12774216Why do zoomers think they're not mamchildren? You're in your 20s, not teens. If you didn't give up games by 18, you're a manchild. Difference is I'm not LARPing while you are because most of your life doesn't fit into the retro board and you belong on /v/.Gaycube sucks so does Dreamcrap, take your fake y2k memestalgia and shove it up your ass
>>12774221>no relevant retortI accept your 2d poser concession
>>12774221The dc zoomoids are especially LARPing because nobody owned that shit. Gc was at least popular enough to be passed down en masse but dc was abandoned by the time of the 00s real console lineup. Zoomers think they can get away with LARPing as dreamcast owners when there never were this many enthusiasts of it at time of release, now we're supposed to believe all the dreamcast loving masses just were hiding for years until the year 2020 to start talking about it
>>12774197Truth. 3D gaming is vaporwave
I wouldn't mind 2d hipsters if they at least posed for good games instead of super shitroid and some cookie cutter console platformer
>>12774232Nobody cares what zoomers mind , we don't want you here because your taste in games suck
>>12774238>>12774239>projecting self-hatred/v/ is right there buddy
>>12774232>Wah I was born in the shitty 00s I cry about people playing better games than me as a kid and I refuse to play games made before I was born because I'm a weird faggot obsessed with identity politics and genwars
>>12774245If you weren't gaming in the 90s you're a zoomer. People born after 95 are GenZ , aka not retro.
I'm starting to think the zoomer LARPer who shits up every thread bitching about games made before the 00s is just one person, they always break down into ebonics once they get mad
>>12774250It's the turd strike shitter
>>12774246>>12774249>le heckin 90sYou were born in the late 90s though, thus your 2d hipsterism limit to boring mid-2000s internetcore like super shitroid
>>12774256Nobody who was a teen in the 00s like I was likes the 00s. Only zoomers jerk it off. You can't post birthdate, you lose.
>>12774272>5' 7"embarrassing...
>>12774275>Zoomer pretending to be a millennial Cringe city
>>12774272So similar birthdate to me except you have shit tastes and barely do any homework when it comes to 80s and early 90s gaming, good to know
>>12772957Ranger X is shite with awful "get 40 blimblobs before exiting the level" westoid design
Been getting into The Revenge of Shinobi, it's kicking my fucking ass but I love itFUCK those doors that suck you out of the plane in stage 3
>>12774281Post taste then faggot. I've asked you a million times and you never have, because you're full of shit and you know if you say Bubsy 3D is the best platformer or Clay Fighters mogs, everyone will call you out as the contrarian little faggot LARPer that you areInb4 "but u have 3D 00s games in ur favorites hurr" yeah two faggot
And PS2 is the only 6th Gen console that had more than like three good games. Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, Gayblow, Metroid baby edition, Resident Gayvil on Gaypube, and Fag Waker suck faggot jizzshit
>>12774281>a 36 year old trying to fit in with the gen z 00s nostalgia wave trendEw
>>12774323That's what this retard is though >>12774313 If your whole retro gaymer Identity is "Ie heckin' 4th gen mainstream shit" you can immediately tell he is a basic bitch and/or a zoomer trying to fit in.
>>12774332They literally posted ID. You haven't
>>12774332You don't actually play games if you think those games are bad. You're just trying to piss off millennials because you have no life. Go away sperg
>>12774332If I was a basic bitch in 2026 it'd have Sonic Adventure 2, Melee, Third Strike, Mario 64, OOT, RE4, etc. shut up sissy
>>12774357>>12774332And if you think you know better games post a chart faggot. You won't and can't because you're a disingenuous little cocksucker who doesn't actually game or have experience
>>12774352Idc if you are 70 or whatever you still have basic bitch poser tastes, Shinobi 3 is like the babiest Shinobi, Sonic is autoplay snoozefest and Super shitroid is an insult to run n gun games. Most importantly your only experience with arcades being fighting games is laughable.
>>12774332SNK wasn't mainstream at all in America in the 90s, or 00s. The most popular it's ever been is now. Someone just going for popular games would put SOTN or even Rondo or Super Castlevania, not Bloodlines. Nobody other than nerds knows what Shining Force even is, FF, Mother, and Chrono Trigger would be the default favorites. And Soul Blazer similarly is not a well known game, Zelda would be the surface level choice. You're outing yourself as a zoomer because you think that these games are or were popular, they're not, just talked about I'm niche communities like thisYou get your ideas from the Internet not real life
>>12774368Games being hard doesn't make them better. Ive beaten every single game you've ever played. I rate games based on quality and fun, not difficulty.Second, fighting games are the ONLY non casual games. You think beat em ups and shmups are hardcore? You're a dumb weak faggot who can't compete with actual men in a test of skill not memorizing patterns. I play many arcade games but fuckin basic ass walk right and punch shit and space shooters rail shooters etc don't make the cut because they're one note as shit. There's not a single genre I haven't conquered
>>12772080That's a 6/10 game. It's perfectly playable but it's not impressive at all. And mechanically/design/gameplay wise, isn't even as good as SNES/Megadrive stuff.
>>12772215There are heaps of action platformer arcade games. It's one of my fave genres of arcade game.Mega Man X is a decent game (solid 7/10) but there are countless arcade games that shit all over it.
>>12772072Why the fuck is wild guns listed as a """light gun""" game on gamefaqs? But nam 1975 isnt...https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/588849-wild-guns
>>12774391So name some and explain what they do better. Shitting in a popular title without explanation just makes you look bitter. One thing I can do is admit when games I like are shit. I love Vectorman and Pulseman and they're both more challenging than MMX, they're also more sloppily put together. I love classic Mega Man which is much harder than MMX as well, same as MMZ, but classic is often janky if not literally broken depending on title, MMZ is overwrought with pointless fluff, and the only actual mechanical issue with MMX is some slowdown here and there because SNES can't BLAST PROCESS
>>12774371>Shining Force >Bloodlines>Soul BlazerThese are all late 00s internet core like Earthbound, slightly less basic bitch than the others but still there>SNK wasn't mainstreamMaybe in your basic bitch mind, fighting games and cheap mvs were a staple in 90s arcades until rhythm games took over
>>12774380>Ive beaten every single game you've ever playedno you're just a pathetic larp faggot>le heckin' fighting gamerinos It's just a genre, arcade gaming filled with skill based genres, the fact that you only cope with fighting games proves you're an insecure shitter afraid of trying new games that demand other skills.
>>12774405So you're a zoomer trying to cry to millennials about the games they like.
>>12774412Single player games and shooters/racing games don't take skill. I could beat you in those, and id score higher in any beat em up. You couldn't beat me in a baby fighter like melee let alone a game with combos or complex inputs, cope faggotYou still can't post examples of better games. Make a chart identical to mine with your "better games" or keep crying like a faggot lol. You also won't post ID to prove you're not a zoomoid so your opinion is irrelevant anyway, opinions about an era from those born after do not count
>>12774426>>12774412He's right. If you don't post birth year proof or a chart, both easy to do, it means you're lying and full of it and surrender all credibility in the debate
>>12774426>t. shitter with 0 scores/times who copes beating e-rank newbs in fc
>>12774405>Akshully NOOO GAMES PEOPLE LIKE ARE GOOD, THE ONLY GOOD ONES ARE ONES NOBODY LIKES Fuck off retard
>>12774443Lol this zoomer thinks she's an arcade pro because she emulates space invaders
>>12774447I just expected you to be less of a basic bitch since you love to larp as some sort of know seasoned millennial, putting super shitroid in your favorites immediately exposes your kind
>>12774460Only zoomers don't like Super Metroid. It's literally praised as a top ten SNES game by everyone in the gaming community prior to zoomers entering our spaces. You're the only retarded person here the rest of us can do math.
>>12772072hell yeah, motherfucker
>>12774468And zoomers only dislike super metroid because it has a lot of youtube videos and they want to be contrarian. but actual millennials were gaming decades before youtube. the bias alone is proof of being a zoomer
>Another lowcow bait threadI am tired of this samefag bumping his shitposts threads boss.
>>12774474Zoomers entire personality is>I want to ape millennial shit but be contrarian about their opinions The same time people started hating on popular 90s games is the same time people started saying shit like Space Jam is actually a classic and Nickelback is actually an underrated amazing band. But these are people who grew up on Minecraft and SoundCloud rap so their taste is automatically garbage
>>12774468>>12774474Other way around, super shitroid sold mediocre at the time just like those square jrpgs, but thanks to zoomer revisionism and their shit taste they know pretend it's some sort of masterpiece.
>>12774490>These games suck because they're popular only hidden gems are good >These games are only popular with millennials in the 00s on the internet actually as hidden gems>Actually it's zoomers in the 2010s>Actually being popular is good Lol you're a retarded asshurt faggot
>>12774495they literally can't compile a chart of 12 games they think are good. it's a larp
>>12774495Super metroid's shittiness comes from within, has nothing to do with popularity or lack of it.That said, the main reasons it's so popular with zoomerfags like you is because of its modern gameplay design with progression systems, similar to jarpigs. Zoomerfags can't into straightforward arcade design
>>12774508Fighting games are the only arcade games that take skill scrub
>>12774514Already debunked your cope >>12774443
>>12774520Your taste is shit African
>>12772072Yeah 3D games suck zoomers just pretend to like it
you can really tell who played games vs who just watched YouTube videos about them because there's no way you grow up in the 90s without a handful of acclaimed games in your favorites. It was literally the peak of gaming >No it wasn't Go back to /v/
>>12774568Don't get me wrong I enjoy hits like F-zero and Mario world. Super shitroid though didn't sold that well nor was that acclaimed until zoomer revisionism took over, they fawn upon it because it plays like a modern game but in 2d, perfect for posers.
>>12774578>Super shitroid though didn't sold that wellSuper Metroid was the 8th best selling home video game of 1994.>nor was that acclaimed until zoomer revisionism took overEGM gave it a 38/40. Edge gave it an 8/10. Famitsu gave it a 32/40. It was widely acclaimed and considered to be one of the best titles that year along with Donkey Kong Country, Final Fantasy VI and Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
>>12774578I don't like Mario fans and racing games are just cope for people who aren't physically coordinated enough to play fighting games.
>>12774583Still worse rating and sales than og metroid, yet zoomer fags dom't care for that one since it's not handholding enough, even nintendolife gave it like a 5/10>>12774583
>>12774586I'm not a "mario fan", just rational enough to realize it has better design than shinic which is close to a cinematic platformer.Also I'm pretty sure you're too retarded to handle the analogue controls of a racing game.
>>12774590>appeal to authority>appeal to popularity>faulty generalization*yawn*
>>12774590>Only ratings and sales matterThen no obscure games are good and no arcade games are good because the only ones that made significant money were Street Fighter, Tekken, and Mortal Kombat. Cope shitter
>>12774595Racing games are for autistic babies. Nobody with a girlfriend plays them, we race our actual cars
>>12774596>>12774597Already debunked here >>12774508, silly shitroid zoomers.
>>12774602you sure look like a badass pushing 60 km/h in your shitbox sweetie
>>12774604>Zoomer larper can't post ID Opinion discarded.
>>12774612you really think you're gonna bait me with that stolen id? lol
>>12774612>statsI want to top you
>>12774621You're a retard. If you can name five actual flaws of Super Metroid, or five games better than it, using language and reasoning that's actually worthy of an adult conversation, I'll hear it.>>12774643Are you a woman
>>12774757As if you could reason with a retarded super shitroid tard
>>12774783Yeah you're triggered because Samus is too Stacy to date you
>>12774313You always switch between Vampire Savior, Rival Schools, UMK3, and Bloody Roar 2.
>>12774182What's wrong with the true final boss? Too bullshit?
>>12772142the sprite work is absolutely masterful in this game but I didn't really like the gameplay that much, ill have to try it again some time.I think I have to say Megaman X is still the best game on this list. I know I know, fucking normie opinion. But cmon man. Megaman X is like *THE* 16-bit game. It still feels smoother and more responsive than modernized indie shit. Being able to cancel dashes with jumps and all that shit feels absolutely 1:1 with what you are pressing. These other games still have a bit of that retro jank in them.
>>12774313ok list but Tenchu 1 is better than WoH and Soul Calibur 1 is better than 2. Oh and Alpha 2 is better than 3. I think you're a 30 year old mexican kid based on those tastes.
>>12774998>Tenchu 1 is better than WoH and Soul Calibur 1 is better than 2How>Alpha 2 is better than 3Both have pros and cons. I sometimes think Alpha 2 might be better but I love that Alpha 3 is the closest thing to a Street Fighter dream match roster, plus if you're playing with friends and not randos you can always just play with no Vism, assuming anyone playing even knows the infinites to break the game.People always make a big deal about Vism but if you put on MvC2 or CvS2 which are popular games, the broken shit is far more commonly exploited
>>12774983Megaman in general is slow and boring on replays, though I appreciate the extra challenge they put in x6. And don't sleep on the indie stuff there are really decent games out there
>>12774826Yes because I alternate which is my favorite as per mood
>>12774470goddest tier of god tier soundtracks
Best ers for licensed cartoon games as well.I feel bad for people who grew up with stuff like Toy Story 2 or Sponge Bob Bikini as their golden standard of licensed games, not even trying to be condescending I really feel bad for them, not because these games are horrible but because we lost a special era in video game development
>>12776232Sheep Raider alone is more original and fun than all your generic platformers with disney coatpaint
>>12772971Rastan is one of my favorites but it's not better than Mega Man X. It's harder by a lot, but MMX has a lot more to it. More weapons, more enemy variety, more environment variety, etc.
>>12772080Damn, Wild Arms plagiarized the shit out of these two.
>>12776505Same devs.
>>12776508Ah, that tracks.
>>12772072i suck at 2d side scrollersi die a lot and i eventually just quitsonic the hedgehog 2 is the only one i can beat
>>12776525i can also beat sonic and knuckles
>>12774206Wrong
>>12776525You must be better at 2D platformers than I am then, because Sonic 1 and 2 both fucking filter me.
>>12776361>genericNot really, they were abive average by the top tier companies at the time Konami, Capcom, Sega, Taito etcEnjoy your sheep collectathon
