DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>12795925Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etcGameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source portsAll other 90s FPS welcome~ Let's post like gentlemen ~FAQ/GENERAL GUIDEhttps://rentry.org/vrbinSO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXzSame thing, in video format:https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXAhttps://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQhttps://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0== GAMES/RESOURCES ==DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhUHALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games:https://mega.nz/folder/etMkxKwK#947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqAAssorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Qhttps://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUAMIDI COLLECTIONShttps://files.catbox.moe/2hul76.ziphttps://mega.nz/file/dWQ3SThI#qYcpa4eGQj6ElyRZgjGqszR59dh4Fq9D3qXYee54kZQhttps://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-midi-collection-2009https://archive.org/details/midiru-archive-2022-02-25.7z== INFO/LINKS ==OFFICIAL DOOM WIKIhttps://doomwiki.org/WHERE TO FIND WADSVanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/MODDING RESOURCEShttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37https://realm667.com/== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==THREAD ARCHIVEShttps://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom+thread"/type/op/OUR WADS/MODShttps://rentry.org/vrdepotMAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLYhttps://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrBIMAGE/WAD DATABASEhttps://vrdoom.booru.org/https://wadsup.xyz/MULTIPLAYER SERVERSUS West: https://clovr.xyz/CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/
=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===666 Minutes of /vr/Game : Doom 2 | Format : Vanilla (Limit-removing)Resources & Rules : >>12687710Repo: https://gitgud.io/GreenAnon/btsx-project/An Eternity of /vr/Game : Doom 2 | Format : Eternityhttps://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=22025=== NEWS ===[09-08] Anno Doomini releasedhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/160089[09-04] Property Damage released, a mini-mod of destructible props + extra goodies by Pillowblaster.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En0F2eofDyI[09-03] Dawn of the Machine's source code added to Quake rerelease's Githubhttps://github.com/id-Software/quake-rerelease-qc[08-30] Divine Twilight Chapter 2 updated, bug fixes, map changes, full OSThttps://www.moddb.com/mods/divine-twilight/downloads/divine-twilight-chapter-2-11[08-28] UZDoom 5.0.0 released https://github.com/UZDoom/UZDoom/releases/tag/5.0.0[08-26] DRD Team will stop updating all Wolf3D and Doom engines on its website on Oct 1st, 2026https://forum.drdteam.org/viewtopic.php?t=10166[08-25] Doom Universe Installment B releasedhttps://timeofdoom.proboards.com/thread/208[08-25] Alien Breed 3D 1 &2 getting re-released as a part of series collectionhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4870460[08-23] Sunlust: The Way We Remember It releasedhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/159873[08-15] Abyssal Apocrypha is outhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/159769[08-12] 2x2 project has been releasedhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/159719[08-11] Ironwail v0.8.2, with Dawn of the Machine compatibilityhttps://github.com/andrei-drexler/ironwail/releases/latest[08-08] Doom II Tracker Music CP is outhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/159626[08-06] Ex-employee leaks canceled Quake 4 expansionhttps://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/159593[08-06] Official Quake port gets free new episode=== PREVIOUS ===https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST
Do you prefer bald Caleb, long-haired Caleb, or short-haired Caleb?
SKILLCHECK MOMENTCan YOU beat Go 2 It on UV without dying? Don't have to do it fast, don't have to do it on your first try, and you don't even have to max it, just kill your way to the exit to the best of your abilities.Record a clvl2 demo to prove it.
>>12804159I feel like shoulder-length hair would work best for him.
>>12804169you secretly want to be a hairdresser or something you fucking fruitcake lmao
>>12804205Do thirdies talk to each other like this in real life too?
>>12804226no only your boyfriend you bender lol
>>12804159I feel that long hair emphasizes how he's meant to be a spooky goth undead dude best.
>>12804159Short hair during the setting of Blood 1. Long hair during the setting of Blood 2.
>>12801202>I found a good MIDI which fits, but it fades out and stopsfade out is fine if midi is long enough (>3 min)
I think Brandon Lee was murdered by a chinese gang for something his dad done
>>12804140>You can't even single segment Go 2 ItLol, lmao if you aren't single segmenting every single map of every single wad. Here's a pro tip: you know you've found the shit wads when they're unbearable to play this way, because that means the authors are themselves quick saving cheaters.
I don't like Doom.
>>12804289See a doctor
>>12804289what the fuck is doom?
>DOOMMore like WOOD
>QUAKEMore like QOOM
>>12804278nothing wrong with quicksaving on blind playthroughs, hard maps are balanced around being challenging even when you are familiar with the mapjust admit you are bad at doom, nothing wrong with that, it's about having fun :)
>>12804297Dr Doom>>12804321and then we all clapped
>>12804323https://youtu.be/HauMABPqPUE
>>12804226No, it's e-courage only.>>12804278>every mapper is like DragonflyI single segment every single level that I make, no matter how long and hard. I might use saved spots or temporary starting locations for testing specific parts thoroughly, but overall I'll still do the level in full afterwards.You're a pitiful scrub bitch acting out, you're probably the kind of faggot who can't enjoy anything but KDITD style gameplay.
>>12804323I clapped your mom's cheeks.>>12804320And I Qoomed inside.
>>12804289
This thread is too new to be this bad.
>>12804264I don't agree unless a MIDI is actually long, like 8 minutes or more.I found another one that does and works for a similar enough mood, but I'd really like to make the other one loopable (whether just a non-fadeout ending that isn't jarring, or with a proper E-MIDI loop point like in Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior).It's too good to not get used otherwise.
What kind of save policies do you assign yourselves, anons?I always play a map the first time saveless. If i die I'l usually atleast try to play past that point a few times before making a judgement call. I feel like the raw length of a map is more of a determining factor. I'm not particularly good at doom though, I think Scythe2 map27 is the level of difficulty where I'd question even being personally capable of single segment.
>>12804362I just save between fights
I played that dementia wad that was recommended last thread but i can't remember anything about it
>>12804362I just save when I feel like it. Not sure why people get butthurt over this simple concept.
>>12804387Because 4chan
>>12804362I don't police myself when I play games, I just save when I think it's a good idea to save and don't worry about it at all. If the level's under 5 minutes short I won't even bother saving though.
>>12804362Honestly it just varies for me. Sometimes I use more saves, sometimes I don't use as much saves.If something is REALLY hard, I may use saves.
>>12804383>mt.pain ultra-autistic channelMy fucking sides lmao
>>12804151>666 Minutes of /vr/I'm just about out of time with this, which is good because I'm just about done.Cutting it close though.Had to reel some things in. I'll post it tomorrow, almost certainly. Pick out a midi and such.
>>12804413whoops, wrong pic.
>>1280416523:53, coop spawns https://files.catbox.moe/udjdbe.lmp
This QBJ3 map where you have to rocket jump up a wall with the multi-rocket launcher is wacky. I would have been filtered if my friend hadn't figure it out.
I'm a maplet retard and have never been able to figure this out.Is there a way to like, grab a list of textures used for your map that you took from a pack and then just quickly move them all in SLADE.Or is being meticulous and doing it one by one really the only way to keep the file size down?
>>12804362savescum through everything
why is everyone so retarded lately?
>>12804430Me? Personally?Alcohol.
>>12804316That's the origin of Woof's name
>>12804362I started playing saveless and just rewind if I take damage
>>12804424https://mtrop.github.io/DoomTools/wtexport.html
>>12804383>autistic dimension>slaughter specific fork>gay maps>ironic petting>door suck>probably ass
>>12804426I kneel
>>12804383>kinda sad mind helpThe word cloud is depressed...
>>12804362Varies by map, playtime, mood, etc.If I’m twenty to thirty minutes into a map and it’s still not over, I’ll likely save. If I feel accomplished after a five minute or longer encounter, I may save.If I’m replaying a wad and I reach a map I’m not too fond of, I may savescum through it.
>>12804426>making way through map>cyberdemon pops up>hide in corner>quicksave>run out BFG it>run back in>quicksave>rinse repeat until dead>quickload if hit by rocket while running out
Is there a version of project brutality or a similar add on like it that doesn't have Nu-Doom art style or that is more akin to classic doom? It's a fun addon don't get me wrong but the modern art style and font kinda clashes with some of the wads i play
>>12804323>>12804326BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED
>>12804472I have just the thing. Give some time, have to do some stuff.
>>12804430>>12804437yeah alcohol checks out. Makes killing imps with standard shotgun a lot of fun
>>12804472https://mega.nz/file/qR1gVb6Z#--2JCEaRimkQw60U8etU8kdZQbjgkCTM98eFik_t_xoThis is an older version of PB from 2017 that I've personally tricked out with some additional sounds, and it has gotten rid of the "minigun guarantees gibbing of enemies if you hold the trigger" because I just want enemies to die I don't need pinatas. However, if you enjoy that aspect, here is the unaltered version:https://mega.nz/file/bZtUAL7J#yOG5cOCZV-uO2FRNSICC3OWY5CS4U2xpHKYOyuASoKgBetween 2017 and 2018 is riiiight before they started going in the nu-doom direction. I have quite the fondness for this version.
>>12804493Who is Reimu meant to have killed here?
>>12804493>>author is none other than she/her with trans symbols plastered all acrossI think you might actually be going insane.
>>12804496Too many candidates I'm afraid, and far too little troonworld posters among those
>>12804498You can confidently tell by the name and avatar already, going to bsky is unnecessary
>>12804493That sucks I guess, but why are you telling us about it? Are we supposed to do something about it?We already know there's troons there.
>>12804332Wah wah, did someone impugn the honor of the modern mapper? You can just read the responses to >>12804362 to realize cheating is endemic to the Doom community, and that's why 'modern' Doom wads degenerated into set piece encounter design and slaughtershit, because when everybody cheats that's the only way to pretend to challenge anyone.
>>12804518If it makes you feel better about being really bad at videogames, sure.
>>12804518>people use saves to varying (sometimes very unspecific) degrees>that's endemic cheating
>>12804471>>12804426I KNEEL AND PRESENT YOUR CROWNS.
>>12804518>saving is cheating now even though the manual literally tells you to do it
>>12804529>It's not cheating if I just pretend it's not, okay?
>>12804464I'd definitely say that mood and what I'm playing is a deciding factor.
>>12804535>saving is cheating, it just is, ok??
>>12804518Wait, do you really need saving to do a slaughter map?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md3w_dyo_DM&t=979Cacoward runner-up: "I'm not saving the game" Someone should inform John that he's confused, saving is NOT cheating, so why would he feel bad about doing it?
>>12804548It's hardly weird for someone to do his own levels saveless.
The Illya map was actually not bad. Think I actually am going to replay this with Arti.
>>12804558Occasionally, he does a good level. The impression the DBPs give me is that they should have restricted him to do only one level per project, so as to force him to put his elbow in and make a really solid level, rather than make multiple submissions which tend to fall short.
>>12804548Eh, I feel it.When I save during a level I don't consider myself as having "beat" the level, I played it, I finished it, I took the test but I if I was being scored it wouldnt pass.It's not something worth chastising myself or others over. It just means I need to go back and beat it for real one day.The most important part is that you're playing a video game instead of posting here.
>>12804554it's also a very short level https://youtu.be/8tj5hqJePvU
>>12804540>It's not God mode, I just rewind whenever I take damage
>>12804567keep shifting the goal post
>>12804151Woof! 16.0.0 releasedhttps://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_16.0.0
>>12804582SDL3 hell yeah!
>>12804582Expected this to follow soon since I've noticed the updated icon yesterday (looks less torpedo-like)>Added "Reduced" option for palette-changes setting.>New savegames are stored as key-frames in a compressed JSON format. Old savegames can still be loaded.Interesting
>>12804493>>12804498There's something extra sad about ESL kids contracting a meme that evolved to exploit mindbroken American teenage girls. It's like seeing a bird covered in toxic waste.
>>12804582>Quality of Life:>Added rewinding, similar to DSDA-Doom
>make GZD map>forcibly save the player's game periodically via scripted autosaveI'm such a nice person, helping out in case he forgot to save.
>>12804575>>12804540both of you are retarded.its cheating if you save at all or use any mods when you play doom and youre a faggot if you think otherwise. either you beat an entire megawad in one sitting, or youre a doomworld-esque faggottrannycuck. its just how it is.
>>12804582>Added initial experimental support for DECLARATE.>Added support for (ambient) sounds through DECLARATE, using SNDINFO-like syntax.
>>12804596It's what speedrunners want for practicing. As long as it's disabled by default I don't care.
>>12804582>Missing flats and invalid PNG flats are now rendered as magenta-and-black checkerboards.Must have forgotten to install Counter-Strike Source.
>>12804605exactly, gameplay mods need to be shunned and trolled here just like slaughterslop is until it's hammered in that they're not welcome.custom levels as well. very pretentious and smug to think you're so special that you need to do something that isn't the actual game. don't give these people a single inch.
>>12804567I don't rewind.
>>12804625youre baiting, but im being serious. if you dont have the mental ability to beat a full megawad in a single sitting, you need to be put in a camp. 32 levels is NOT a lot.
>>12804629combined arms, nice.whats the level name?
>>12804472not entirely sure what you mean by the modern or nudoom artstyle, but whats wrong with the font?can probably see about making some optional patches or something to help with that a bit
>>12804474im also interested. the super outofplace assets kinda suck. would be very interested in whatever project you have cooking
>>12804625>don't give these people a single inchThis, they are already in possession of onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWI6E8gdBzk>>12804619Agree, it's too overused. The same glow used for the hall of mirrors, but in a different color, probably would’ve been better.
>>12804640I posted it two posts later silly.>>12804485
>>12804634It's the first map of Narcoleptic Strata, Glowstool Bog. Really pretty wad.
>>12804629What music jukebox mod?
>>12804608they implemented partial SNDINFO support, then removed it. Now they want to add it back againhttps://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/pull/2820
>>12804608what the FUCK did he mean by that face and looking at arnie's cock???
>>12804652oh shit, i didnt even read. thanks anon.>>12804654that sounds cool as fuck. im cry it. thanks to you as well.
>>12804660>Now they want to add it back againAs long as it's there.
>>12804657This one. I made it to play with Treasure Tech but it's good with Combined_Arms too.https://litter.catbox.moe/1q3ro0lpq64or7r2.zip
>>12804660> I hope that @rfomin can forgive me one day...what happened? his contributions has decresed drastically since april..https://github.com/rfomin
Metalhead anons, what do you listen to while mapping? British New Wave heavy metal? Glam metal? Some kvlt Black Metal?Not just for Doom, other metal kinds of games like Quake and Blood apply.
Oh, these little shits.
>>12804387Some people tie their sense of worth/skill/whatever to playing the game in a very specific way, and get upset that others aren't doing the same thing as them.End of the day it's one of Doom's biggest strengths that you can do pretty much whatever you want to your own experience, so getting bothered that somebody else isn't single-segment UVMAXing a wad or they're running gameplay mods or even running tourist mods is just really silly.
>>12804694It's been a while since I mapped but here are some recs:>Visigoth>Dream Troll>Hess>Whispered>Daisuke Kurosawa>Unlucky Morpheus>King Stephen
>>12804705>Some people tie their sense of worth/skill/whatever to playing the game in a very specific wayI think they take dying in this game personally.
>>12804660I just checked the Ancient Aliens and the music track switch seems to work. Advertisement cue from the start of Auger;Zenith too. What did the removal change?Although, once again they have fucked around with the pitched sounds, which I don't appreciate. Everything sounds like ass now.
>>12804713Sometimes, you really do get fucked in a way that just makes you mad, but sometimes, you get fucked in a way which is simply funny.It's a balancing act on if the death feels like it was really your fault, and if the encounter was crafted in just a good way.Most of the time, it's kinda neither.
>>12804714>Ancient Aliens and the music track switch seems to workthat's musinfo>Advertisement cue from the start of Auger;Zenith toothat's just dehackedsndinfo isn't really necessary, just more convenient way to have ambient sounds
>>12804714>Although, once again they have fucked around with the pitched sounds, which I don't appreciate. Everything sounds like ass now.Perhaps you have pitch shifting on? For me it sounds same as dsda, odamex, etc.I miss that soft sound from chocolate-doom tho when playing other ports. None of the resampling options in Woof can emulate it.
>>12804724IMO, SNDINFO (or something like it) is practical for handling sounds and how they're assigned, you can give defined sounds a memorable alias, apply effects and volume as needed, and you can even replace stock sound calls (so, giving unique sounds for all monsters if you wanted to).
>>12804726>Perhaps you have pitch shifting on?I did like it, and continually did have it on>Removed pitch_bend_range config key.Until they removed the option to tweak it
Woof continues to remove shit...>fabianGRAFfrath, GRAFlab, GRAF ZahlThey all share something in common
>>12804695I swear I will nerf the Martians.
>>12804362My policies on everything is blow it up your ass.
>>12804746It's mostly funny at this point. You round a corner after killing the archie and there they are.
>>12804746Maybe have it so they can only spawn yhollcubes with direct line of sight of the player? It probably wouldn't solve everything ever but it might at least stop them fucking up stuff like monster closets, even if it's pretty funny to be hearing him inside the walls.
>>12804757Yeah, alongside a hard cap of cubes.
>>12804362Normally I save fairly often. Not mid-fight unless the fight is really long. Kind of depends on my mood too.If I really like a wad I might try doing single-segment runs of the maps. But I'll still practice these maps with saves first.For my own maps, I tone down the difficulty to the point where I feel I can beat them saveless (without secrets) without needing a lot of attempts. Though I don't always end up doing said saveless run.
>>12804783Even though it's neat, it's just not that cool when you realize it's just zscript.
>>12804798Anon I'm pretty sure that's from the ancient ass hangout map that uses old DECORATE and ACS.
How many are still doing their last map for 666?
>>12804798>Doom Center>zscriptNo it's not.>>12804802Yeah it's from the early 2000s, it's definitely got no amount of zscript in it.It was also in ACS arcade so that'd say something about what it's made with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hich6IzObfw
>>12804802>>12804806Faith status: restored
>>12804814desu Decorate and ACS combined are already powerful as fuck, so I don't see why one is appreciably more or less impressive in this case.Like I get when people get REALLY creative with just vanilla mapping tricks and DeHacked, that shit can get very impressive because it's actually hard to do many things there, but Decorate alone makes it really easy to do all sorts of things.
>>12804820ZScript being treated like a wonder tool that does everything kind of makes people forget what was done with Decorate and ACS, like early Decorate was fucking mindblowing for what it could do over the Dehacked of the time.
>>12804321stfu Dragonfly, your maps are soulless, overly-pompous products made with a checklist, designed only to cater to retards on Leddit & Troonworld.
>>12804321It's funny how a lot of big dick mappers are way more chill about how people play their maps than the the people getting caught up on shit.
>>12804831Remember how fucking mindblowing Zen Dynamics was?
>>12804856>Sigil 2 getting quickly overshadowed by Eviternity 2Hi John, hope you’re doing well
tasteful sector shading
>>12804925It's two bottle shadows away from being 10/10.Can breakable props trigger sector lighting changes?
>>12804881It's still really good.
>>12804925I love when people do lighting like this in these games.
>>12804928cant 'connect' a real bottle to its shadow in vanilla Duke. With some coding it is possible, there's some prop shadows in SW.In this case though its not a good idea to have prop shadows, the bottle is always facing player and it will look wrong at a certain angle. Look at picrel
>>12804881Man, that was when people were just doing crazy shit that even the ports weren't geared up for.I remember some early mod did that for Doom, added jumping by just pushing the player upwards because there was no actual jump support yet.
Update for Caverns of Saturn maphttps://files.catbox.moe/tswlcc.wad
>>12804954added!>>12792374What's the status on the boat?>>12804803I guess two more
>>12804972Oh. The boat was done then, I forgot to upload it.https://files.catbox.moe/393tvs.wad
>>12804982ok nice
GZ/UZ doom controversy conclusion? Haven't played or updated in awhile (let's assume 18 months, maybe longer) or paid attention.What do I use moving forward? Can you give me a summary that doesn't take too much of your precious time (4 minutes or less)?
>>12804362I savescum until I'm comfortable with the map so I don't have to keep doing the same thing over and over again. I couldn't care less what random strangers on the internet think of me. My policy when I sometimes use impluse 9 and IDKFA I will still move through the level as if I don't have all the keys. I play co-op Quake with my 6 year old so I let her use God mode for now.
>>12804998>GZ/UZ doom controversy conclusion?People are stupid and need to shut up.
>>12804998>What do I use moving forward? Can you give me a summary that doesn't take too much of your precious time (4 minutes or less)?Use GZD until you encounter a mod that only works with the newest UZD version.
>>12804485thanks!>>12804638do you not see the issue in picrel?
>>12804998There isn't a controversy, it's the same port by the same people under a different name, development carried on the same as it would have anyway since Graf did a disappearing act anyway.
>>12805004EDay standalone had an annoying high-res font, too. Just rip the bitch open and delete the files.
Playing on UV gives you the full experience and that's what matters, seething about savescumming is irrelevant.
Reposting the post just once, sorry. Maybe someone who has knowledge on the subject will see this.>Can someone help me? I need to triangulate the sector, and I though why not use the nodes lump, node builder probably already did all the work for me, all the subsectors are convex shapes which is perfect.>But subsector shapes are not described explicitly anywhere in nodes/segs/ssectors, and to get something like picrel subsector I basically need to go through all the bsp tree parents and calculate all the lines and intersections for each split myself. And at this point why not just triangulate the original sector with some ear clipping. Am I missing something?
>>12804485not the other anondownloaded this and played it a bit since i remember liking pb3and WOWI never truly realized the polish and smoothness difference until nownot to say this is bad, i just never realized how much stuff changed over the years. The rifle's animations especially.
>>12805012>Playing on UV gives you the full experience and that's what mattersDepends. Playing a map on other skill settings first could allow you to more appreciate the changes brought about in UV: In Doom 1, there’s some ‘lightpole’ props in dark areas that are absent on a higher difficulty.Encounters could also play differently, and maybe ammo drops are less frequent on lower settings because the author thought they weren’t needed.Playing a map on all settings feels like a more “full” experience.
>>12805012t. scum
>>12804582mandatory now waiting for the nugget update post
>>12805003Simple, direct advice, thanks. That is my current plan. Icarus has been a bridge for me and he's mentioning a lot of UZdoom stuff.>>12805008The way I see it, if there wasn't an issue, there would be no reason to fork.Ultimately, I'm a casual player and want guidance on what is (after some time passing) the most supported version
Which sourceport right now offers the best performance?
>>12805031Helion
>>12805002Yes, yes (you) should.
>>12804865>modern mappers openly admit to relying on cheating as a crutch, call it """accessibility"""Yeah, we know.
>>12805034I don't need to say anything else, fool.
People keep asking why DBP was abandoned. The short answer will always be "40iq". This libshit cuck retard did more damage in 1 year than any forum troll could have done in a lifetime.https://youtu.be/IV0IE7U-bVw?si=tXTqUSjm7BTDaz7J&t=34
>>12805030UzDoom is the only one getting updates, including some fixes to ACS stuff that's been busted since 4.14.something in GzDoom, and there was another gaping zscript security hole that has only been resolved on the newer port.
>>12805035>playing without saves>and NOT recording a demo of it to prove itThe ultimate timewaste.
>>12805049Do a demo of this.
>>12805045>People keep asking why DBP was abandoned.Literally nobody asked that, it's just one retard crying and samefagging it in every single thread here as if we give two fucks about them, but if you wanted attention, be honored that I gave (you) a reply.
AV map 27Stressful map. Not super difficult but it's quite long (and often tedious) and it's easy to screw up and die.Also fuck this cyber in particular
>>12805031The official port multi threads the software renderer. So it's the most performant while keeping the original look.
>>12804585>>12804586How did this sorcery occur here? Same exact post, at the same exact time.
>>12804273Wow, even the Chinese gangs in Hollywood were white washed.
>>12804856Eviternities are quality products and very well known outside any of the communities. If you hate them, it's best to channel those feels to make something even better instead of bitching like some envious woman.
>>12805109>if you think the food at the restaurant is shit you should cook your ownBut I still think the food at the restaurant is shit.
>>12805113I'd rather say, that if food at the rival restaurant is shit, use it to your advantage. But basically you admit that you have no restaurant and you can't cook aka you are no mapper but just a shit poster.
>>12805118I'm not even the anon you were responding to but I don't like most of Eviternity 1 as well. Haven't played 2 yet. I realize it's a quality wad, I just don't like it, it relies on teleporting monsters way too much for my taste, and not enough on organic monsters placement. We've been through this discussion for 100 times already. still not as much as "just make your own wad" gets posted in response to any criticism
someone explain the Quake lore to me. Why do I see corpses of myself everywhere I go?
>>12805138>relies on teleporting monsters way too muchThe monster counts are more than Plutonia, but feels like it teleports in as many relative to the placed ones and closets.
>>12805148Those are not your corpses, they are just soldiers that were on your side, but now dead.
>>12804337LOL
you are not allowed to post in retro fps thread if you never played original pc Powerslave
>>12805190I completed Epic 2, which uses Powerslave textures. Does that count?
>>12805190I didn't play Powerslave I played Exhumed.
In Quake, do enemies take reduced damage between themselves? I just watched a big white guy fight 2 annoying spider monsters and it took forever. They were both nailing him with homing purple balls but he wasnt dying.
>>12805193no, but it is crazy how many Doom wads and mods have Powerslave stuff in them
>>12805202It's pretty much the only retro FPS with an ancient Egypt aesthetic, so of course its textures would find themselves used for Egypt- ancient ruin-themed wads.
>>12805197Shamblers (the big white guys) have explosion resistance, so those vores' (the 2 annoying spider monsters) attacks weren't really doing shit to him.
>>12805202There's a lot of that for anything relatively obscure from the 90s, stuff like Realms of the Haunting objects get used all over the place, and you get people recognizing the guns from Disruptor without knowing what the fuck it is.Lonk related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvXkysltu4Y
>>12805196>spoilerBased
>>12805190It's a shame that the original DOS version was so technically bad. It's a very smartly designed game, just barely playable with its original controls. Now instead of it getting its deserved mentions alongside Duke, Blood, and Shadow Warrior, people just say you should ignore it and play the console version with its fat fuck player hitbox, blander enemy and weapon rosters, and the revolutionary innovative feature of being forced to play the same levels over and over again to complete the game.
>>12805216What's different in the Powerslave Exhumed remaster? I saw that it combines aspects of the DOS and console versions, but what ones?
>>12805220It doesn’t do much if anything from DOS IIRC, but it does include almost all the levels from both console versions. It also has a new difficulty setting with more interesting/more difficult encounters than both DOS and console versions.
>>12804532This.
>>12805004oh thaaaat, honestly should have taken that into account from the startill see about fixing that as soon as i can, assuming i remember toshouldnt be tooo hard.... just ignore drawing the CWILV graphics, ill see about a toggle for the font as well just in case. probably needed to do this anyways to make sure map author is displayed as well>>12805009bit of a different case, itd be better to actually modify the IWAD to remove the CWILV graphics i think? deleting PBs font assets might cause other issues if i remember correctly
>>12805190I've listened to the cover of the original song.
Oh fuck, Dipswitch finally came out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t1U-JQaInA
>>12805138>still not as much as "just make your own wad" gets posted in response to any criticismThought-terminating cliches are basically "shut the fuck up" in other words.
>>12805028I'm looking forward to- cylindical sky projection- dithered rendering
>>12805197Most enemies just have a lot more health than the player.
>>12805197I want to add that shamblers take half damage from explosive weapons like the rocket/grenade launcher. I always wondered why hell they were so hard to kill and some other anon mentioned this in the last couple threads. So now I get up close to those furry(yes it's fur I don't make the rules) bastards and light em up with the nails
>>12805294>cylindical sky projectionew no
>>12805305The Quake manual also mentions their existence to explosive resistance, at least. No Doom manuals mention the cyberdemon or mastermind resistances.>yes it’s fur I don’t make the rulesI think you do, actually, considering the conflicting reports from the devs and lack of anything concrete in-game or otherwise.
>>12805325The fur thing was a reference to a previous argument the anons here had. Idgaf I'm gonna shoot him in the face either way. Also. I don't have the manual for quake or doom or any of their derivatives. And I couldn't help but notice you made an error by typing "existence" instead of "resistance", I'll forgive you this time but please be sure to double check your messages and hold yourself to a higher standard in the future if you wish to reply to my comments, thanks.
>>12805354Oh no I made such a blunder, please ignore this post
>>12805354>hold yourself to a higher standard if you wish to reply to my commentsWe don’t know who you are, get a tripfagcodeAnd the ‘fur/no fur’ posting is eternal, happens frequently
>>12804332>I single segment every single level that I makeWell... you're the one who made it, so I hope you would be able to do that without much effort since you created the encounters, know where all of the items and secrets are, etc.You remind me of a college professor I had who didn't understand why the majority of the class did poorly on a midterm and said he could do the test in 10 minutes.
>>12804798>doom centerholy shit. i havent heard that name in a long time.
Memorizing a map, because you suck, and had to try a million times to get through it, is cheating.
>>12804783>ACS Arcadeneat map
>>12805480this, but unironically.
AV map 29I should have practiced this more, I lost 3 runs to not remembering traps.Also this is not how you deal with this room and I can't believe I survived.
>>12804150>doom 64>doesn't have 64 levels (only 39 playable levels,29 from the main campaign,6 more for the remastered,4 optional fun maps)
>>12805531Also there's an IoS map I guess.Thankfully there's a convenient dead pixel in the center of my screen which makes timing shots easy
>>12805190I've been meaning to, because it looks cool as fuck, I just haven't had the time.>>12805202Not that crazy? They're high quality assets, just like Duke, Blood, Shadow Warrior, and they can fit with just a bit of work.>>12805205Mind, Osiris predates PowerSlave, so we already had good appetizer course of Egyptian shooter kino ahead of that. Stargate was a new movie at the time, and it was a cool and trendy theme for exotic sci-fi action.
>>12805550>doom 64>isn't the 64th game
Are gameplay mods usually inherently multiplayer or do they need to be configured for it?Been talking to a friend about playing something like Deimos or Phobos Delta together but I don’t know how things work.
>>12805592It really varies. If they're for GzDoom/UzDoom, often they aren't well supported for multiplayer, but if they're for Zandronum then they are virtually always made for it.
>>12805168I noticed some that were still alive and in captivity in the new expansion. I shot at them and then they fizzled out of existence. Was that wrong of me to do?
>>12805592Quake co-op is also fucking kino, just so you know.
>>12805365Very slick dodge of that boner missile around the 20s mark.
>>12804582Woofy is just fine, dear.
>>12805028>>12804151[09-08] Nugget Doom 6.0.0 releasedhttps://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases/tag/nugget-doom-6.0.0
>>12804582>>12805728So how much of UDMF is supported at this point?
>>12805728I love being a Nugger.
>>12805728Come back from the dead again, Cherry dev.
>>12805695>this was considered a trashy upbringing in the early 90's
>>12805728It... WAS working (not that I could tell at a glance. am I blind?) and then fragcked around and found out. So I deleted the config and[1/2]
its all better now.[2/2]
>>12805796Nugget dev here, I didn't know about this. Please let me know if you figure out what causes it.
That's a nice brightmap.
>>12805805https://pastebin.com/Df1HAQ7BI'll try to remember.
>>12805805OK, so I was fucking around and found its related to resolution scale. I have a 1440p monitor. Weird that now 375% it is ok but on the other ones does mess up. I just don't know.
>>12805845so 450% scale looks just fine too but all the resolution scales between glitch like that.
>>12805805>>12805824not nugget dev, my gut feeling was to play with sdl_renderdriver and it works on winblows with "opengl" and "vulkan" (not mentioned in config for some reason), but not in direct3d11 and direct3d12 which are guess are default for sdl3trysdl_renderdriver "opengl"orsdl_renderdriver "vulkan"
>>12805805Hey, would it be possible to give the gib splatter effect its own pRNG table so that it could somehow be preserved and present for recording and playing back clvl21 demos?
>>12805734The engine is capable of reading udmf formatted map data like pic rel, that's pretty much it. You can rotate flats and tint sector light with colormaps, but that seems to be based on ID24, not udmf. I tried a few generic line actions (like "23 - Floor Raise by Value" or "243 - End Normal") in Woof and the engine just ignored them completely. You can't even make a functional map with this format yet, it's just laying the foundations. Udmf also doesn't necessarily include anything like ASC, Decorate or polyobjects it's just a way to sort vertex/linedef/sector data etc. so don't get your hopes up.
>>12805861Using textures and flats interchangeably, and aligning flats manually, are the two things I want out of UDMF.
>>12805851 (cont)can't reproduce on loonix with wine. (It vulkan to emulate directx of course, but i still expected it to happen)
>>12805864fuck i just woke up. sry, can't write
>>12805805Not him but setting Resolution Scale to Max and setting Lighting Mode to True-Color makes my game shit itself and crash
>>12805859Whether you're talking about extra gibbing (SSG and others being able to gib) or bloodier gibbing (blood splats flying out when something is gibbed), I believe it would only be reasonably possible to make it work during recording, and maybe during playback in Nugget, but it can't be made to work for all other ports without modifying them too. It's not just a matter of RNG. In any case, I rarely record demos, so I'm not interested in going through the hassle of figuring it out.
>>12804245this. he's like proto-goth, to the point where he's so bout it bout it that he's actually eyeholes deep in abyssal waters of the occult, it's 2edge or whatever, but it's sincere, which is more soulful than the purposefully tongue in cheek parody trash you see on steam that tries to emulate these older games. DUSK and Ultrakill of course are good games IMHO but if those are our only fucking examples, it's a sad state of affairs for a so-called revival of the genre, that doesn't actually do anything new or cool with old(er) ideas, just rehashes shit (or pretends to, while apeing serious sam/painkiller, despite being worse than either of the two)I mean, look at Post Void for example, that game was cool for about 15 minutes of gameplay, but there are like six clones of that fucking game on Steam right now, even one themed like a Blood clone: "Cultic." It's retarded, the worst example of people from my zoomer faggot generation not understanding the things they're trying to take inspiration from
>>12805801>>12805845>>12805851>>12805864>>12805871Please try the builds here, with the same settings that make the game be glitched or crash:https://nightly.link/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/actions/runs/34302403490
>>12805889Anon who crashed on max res + true color hereThis seems to have fixed it
>>12805887>DUSK and Ultrakill of course are good games IMHO but if those are our only fucking examples, it's a sad state of affairs for a so-called revival of the genreI’d agree, but there’s also Ion Fury. Probably the best thing to come out of the “90’s shooter revival” and its more sincere than the others since it uses Build.
>>12805889That did it for me >>12805801
>>12805887>the worst example of people from my zoomer faggot generation not understanding the things they're trying to take inspiration fromYou don't need to when all you have to do is superficially look like a thing in some way, list a bunch of old games in the hopes of people making unreasonable nostalgic connections and buying that shit.
I don't usually care for rocket launchers much, but the Cyclops is cool.
>>12805931Kegan does some pretty fucking great rocket launchers.
>>12805938If he releases the new GMOTA playable character before the end of the year Im going to coom
>>12805004>>12805009>>12805248double checked with the other dev that coded the intermission screenreasoning for it to be the way it is comes down to multiple things- older mapsets using CWILV for map names rather than naming the map, because of old modding paradigms and no MAPINFO or whatever- some mapsets like Eviternity or Nova3 use CWILV as a replacement for the intermission graphic altogether to show a image of a section of the map- plus just some mapsets just dont have strings set altogether for map nameultimately thats why it was done the way it is.... not really any good way to automatically check which case a mapset is using to display stuff correctly, but its still going to style clash a bit regardlessbest route would probably be a toggle to use CWILV, off by default, and leave it up to the player to discern if it needs to be toggled on?
>>12804151666 map. I'm completely out of time so there isn't anything else I can do to it. Should've planned smaller, had to throw some bandaids on it at the final hour. 11 hours seemed like such a long time... I don't know if bug fixing is allowed after the time limit.Anyway:https://files.catbox.moe/6v3yxi.wadand a midi:https://files.catbox.moe/18s5tz.mid
>>12805950Oh. I forgot to name it. Uuuuhhhh...Brevity is the Soul of Shit
>>12805950The midi is Voltage by Dragonfly.
Just beat Scourge of Armagon for only the second time in my life. I forgot that it's actually pretty cool. People should praise it more.
>>12805902I also love Ion Fury and Amid Evil, my main point is that there are some real initial gems amongst a sea of mid or shit tier garbage that gets touted around as if it is in the same league as the genuinely good stuff just to clickbait for attention on the internet and degrade the general outlook of people on "boomer shooters" in general. They commodified nostalgia bait in a really insipid way and I fucking hate it. It's not like it's some big shock, I had just hoped it wouldn't happen to Quake-likes and Build-likes but as per usual, liking even a fringe art form in America will end up starting a countdown timer to sloppification.>inb4 "muh pretentiousness"
>>12805895>>12805924Thanks. I'll try to sort some other stuff out and release 6.0.1 as a hotfix.
>> 666 minutes of /vr/ <<build: https://gitgud.io/-/project/49137/uploads/756b07aaa674bbf03cb2d892a6afa900/666minvr-redemption-denied.zipCurrent map list:MAP01: Tertiary DentinMAP02: Scraping the bottomMAP03: The DeadliftMAP31: Brevity is the Soul of ShitMAP32: Tethys AnomalyMAP04: Caverns of SaturnMAP05: Occupied Oasis
>>12805981Dissolution is good too.
>>12805981I liked it too upon finally playing it recently.
>>12806065Guess I better get to wrapping up mine!
Hey anons, doing a bit of an early release for my new MBF21 mod. It's half past 1AM and I'm wiped, but it's done. I just don't have it in me to set up an Itch or ModDB page right now.I'll ping the newspost when I'm ready, might catch and have to fix a bug or two.>DW: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/160102-mbf21-new-dawn/>Catbox: https://files.catbox.moe/m6lce7.zipHope you guys have fun and like what I put together. I'm going to sleep now.
>>12805592>>12806084Hope you can provide some input once you’re back. ‘Night.
>>12806083I guess I'll post on doomworld after I get your map and while we're also waiting for M_DOOM.Nice screenshots featuring different source ports welcome!
>>12806087Post RC1 I mean, and in few weeks I'll upload final to idgames if there are no problems discovered
>>12806084Well it's not as op as Year Zero
>>12806103it's satisfying when RL hits even though it's pretty slow
>>12806108oh hell yeah!
>>12806087Could we wait on posting it there until we've got at least a few people having ran through the build with all the maps? Just so we're sure everything is good.
whats that dementia about wad called??
>>12806103well I take that back, the last fight was much easier with this bfg than the YZ one>>12806115ok i'm yet to replay it in this arrangement myself (and take screenshots!)
>>12804165I've done this map a hundred times before, but the other reply made me realize I've never tried it with coop spawns. There are more cyberdemons but also many more cells so it doesn't feel much harder. That cyberdemon that can't even move is funny. https://files.catbox.moe/v3pbey.lmp
Holy shit im playing Doom with CrispyDoom and the spectres are actually invisible. Nothing like GZdoom were you can very clearly see the outline of the transparency from. Fuck no, here you have to actually squint your eyes for a second to notice them. So much better imo, i got startled by quite a few times because of them being truly hard to see now.
>>12806129yep i have to max the brightness sometime to see these fuckershttps://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/12015409/#q12018469
lol, fucking christ. Thinkin' about a "kill miscreants" keybind. I'm mostly kidding.>>12805938Yeah, the Tech Monk's Clash Ball is also pretty good. I still need to play something with that and Blastmaster.
>>12804417>>12806126Also, for some reason this demo is desyncing at about 1:30. Tested with dsda and crispy.
>>12806129holy shit get your eyes checked, that was 93 doom you tranny
>>12806148>>12804417 this demo is -coop_spawns>>12806126 this demo is -solo-netyou should play back with these parameters, and they are different things for some reason
is there another game that discards vertical aim like original doom? I feel that what separated it and it was glorious
>>12806152Thanks, I didn't even realize -coop_spawns was a thing. It seems better than -solo-net for most purposes because you don't have weapon and key spawns lingering behind after you already picked them up.
>>12805987I wouldn't immediately assume it's solely pandering for clicks outside of the really blatant shit like Boltgun. "Boomer shoots" are just an inherently more appealing idea to try and execute on for solo/small teams since the people who play them are clearly fine with lower fidelity and such.Personally, The Citadel and its sequel are up there for some of the best of this "trend" and that's very much not a game trying for mass appeal, while also not just aping previous games.
>>12805862For me, it's being able to light surfaces independently instead of entire sectors
>>12806153uh, wolf3d?
>>12806129GZdoom isn't doom
>>12805887>I mean, look at Post Void for example, that game was cool for about 15 minutes of gameplay, but there are like six clones of that fucking game on Steam right now, even one themed like a Blood clone: "Cultic."You actual dumbass. Talk about not knowing shit from fuck.
>>12805887>Cultic>Clone of Post:Voidhow fucktarded can one man get holy helllmaoCultic is the normalest shooter game I've seen in a long time, it's just extremely polished
>>12806160>BoltgunAs someone who likes 40k, I've still found this one hard to digest and yet one of my peers who likes some of these more modern 'boomer shooters' is also a fan of it. Beat one episode, took about over a year on and off to get around to beating the second, and I still haven't beaten the third.It also makes Volkite look gay and lame. 30k game when?
>>12806074It's on deck, playing through all the official stuff on Nightmare at the moment, because I'm not fully certain I ever did.>>12806080Yeah man, the Gremlins are a solid addition to the enemy roster. A swarming enemy that can steal your gun from your hands? And they eat corpses to multiply? Really cool ideas. I don't think they took advantage of that second part as much as they could have though, should have spawned a few in a big arena you previously cleared... like the biggest dickbag Doom mappers with their archvile spawns.
>>12806184Also, I like the nailgun scorpions. But fuck the spiked mines.
>>12806129The original Specter rendering at the original resolution is actually pretty tough to see, yes. They tend to blend into pixel noise further away pretty well, and especially in the dark.Doom 95 offered high resolutions, and this was where they first became more visible, creating this sort of bright, almost crystalic/liquid refraction. I believe also that some of the early console ports went Fuck It and never bothered trying to create any kind of effect for them at all, just omitting that, making them functionally identical to normal Pinkies.GzDoom/UzDoom has a couple of different options for how to render Spectres, so you can try different ones to see how they feel like. The fake fuzz effect I think looks decent enough, though it's still not as hard to see just because of how resolution and color is handled.Vanilla Essence should make UzD/GzD a bit more authentic overall.>>12806168Says Doom in the title, plays Doom and .wads, cope and seethe.
>>12806083Does your map lean more on the 'techbase' or 'desert' side?
>>12804151[09-09] Nugget Doom 6.0.1 releasedhttps://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases/tag/nugget-doom-6.0.1
>>12804151Apparently I can't delete a post that's this old, but ignore >>12805728, as it has problems related to true color rendering at higher resolutionsThis is the good release: >>12806214
>>12804151>>12806216Just use the https://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases/latest type of links you dum-dum
>>12806221I get what you mean, but the OP posting the actual latest version is better
I started with a rocket punch and then killed this guy solely by throwing my arm at him.Now that that's done again I think I'm gonna redo Stagnant Weather with the Deriver.
>>12806221>>12806225And I don't mean just linking to it, but posting the actual version number
>>12805018Yeah it was a really sudden change too, so much so that I felt the need to hold on to that one and a few other version from around that time. I like modern PB but that old one still feels like "classic" Doom.
Woof, dsda and crispy allow you to have custom menu soundshttps://github.com/kraflab/dsda-doom/pull/935https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/pull/2833Should we make use of that in 666?
>>12806227>And I don't mean just linking to it, but posting the actual version numberAutism? There is no difference, the port/mod had major update and that's all there's to it that one would like to know. Suit yourself.>Posting from your IP range has been temporarily blocked due to abuse. Please verify your e-mail address or try again later.I hate this piece of crap imageboard.
I forgot this wad gives you the plasma rifle immediately.
What is the best means to simply play co-op Doom? Assuming that I want to give a buddy a tour through all official IWADs at least.>I imagine that Zandybam still works fine but hosting a server privately may or may not be overkill for two players>UZDoom I assume is still somewhat jank>Haven't thought about Nugget or DSDA>Nightdive Kex ports are indeed a thing, but my buddy and I found that the Quake one fucked with a few levels already
>>12802343Ran out of time without a beatable map, so I'm DQed.Sorry lads, I'll be with you in spirit.I need to get faster and more aggressive at confidently blocking out a layout all in one sitting, though picking through the textures to wallpaper over the map probably would have finished me off anyway. I really do not like working with this set, and it's killed any interest I had in the E3 update bloating it even more.
>>12806258Since you're going for unmodded vanilla IWADs, look into Odamex.
>>12806261I second odabtw should I host 666 minutes playthrough sometime?
>>12805887Cultic is first person RE4, has little to do with Blood outside of having dynamite as a weapon.
>>12806260If a map or WAD is too hard just use God mode cheat. The point is to experience and enjoy the game, not suffer a heart attack
Guess which wad also gives you plasma rifle right at the beginning? REKKR.
I love this.
>>12806271Moddu?
>>12806275https://combine-kegan.itch.io/deriver
>>12806258>hosting a server privately may or may not be overkill for two playersit's not that difficultbut if your main problem is port forwarding i guess you can play chocolate doom on one of the existing servers. The server doesn't host anything just connects the players>chocolate-doom -searchlists the servers and pings>chocolate-doom -iwad PLUTONIA.WAD -connect <ip> -skill 4 -warp 11and your buddy also connects with same command
>>12806294>The server doesn't host anything just connects the playersso you can play any wad you want, it's all in the clienti wanted to add
>>12806065Are those two supposed to be secret levels or is that just an order thing?Like will finishing map 3 lead to 31?
That's an interesting effect in the water
>>12806298Look around on the beach. There's a secret toiletAnd you must play with UMAPINFO-compatible port. Crispy has pull request for it.
>>12806290Appreciated.
>>12806258>I imagine that Zandybam still works fine but hosting a server privately may or may not be overkill for two playersNot like you need to host a persistent server.>UZDoom I assume is still somewhat jankIt's still P2P multiplayer, but they recently straightened out some of the various old kinks from it.>Nightdive Kex ports are indeed a thing, but my buddy and I found that the Quake one fucked with a few levels alreadyDumpsterdive port does as well, aside from the green medikits, it still has the censored Wolfenstein 3D levels, and E4M1 removes the secret NIN logo (as if Trent Reznor would come and sue them after all these years).
>>12806302Effect, where?
>>12805954Very good map! I like the connected switches on the floor and the ominous monoliths
>>12806304I find it weird to make them secret maps when the wad itself has like 7 maps in total.Unless it's to do with their quality.
>>12806323ah that only happens on sw renderersi mean this "box" underwater
>>12806330I had to make use of secret exit in Deadlift. And you exit Tethys with bfg and 600 cells. Though playing this wad continuously is bad idea anyway, each map loads you up to the brink
>>12806176I didn't like it. "Boomer shooter" only in aesthetics. It played like a modern shooter. Very linear and small maps, yellow paint everywhere, "secrets" were barely hidden, enemies were mostly easy fodder. It made me realize that australian fps youtuber might be a disingenuous shill. He made it sound like it was a " true classic boomer shooter " so I got it and it sucked.
>>12806260Oh damn. That geometry looks pretty nice. Perhaps you can turn it into something playable in few more hours?
Is there a way to play Doom without turning into a tranny like half of Doomworld?? I like this game but for some reason the thoughts come back stronger if I have played Doom that week and I don't want to use zopiclone/alcohol to stop the thoughts like I used to. This isn't even a bit. Is there a WAD I can put in my autoload that stops this from happening? How does that one guy on DB stop his thoughts?
>>12806353please go back
>>12806353>Alcohol It is too late for you. You are already trans.
>>12806353It's clearly already taken hold in your case, you should save everyone the time and add to the 41% statistic.
>>12806335Oh, that's actually a bug. It's called a slimetrail, where a flat texture (and its lighting) bleeds over where it shouldn't. Most probably unintentional on the author's part.
>>12805728>>12806214I love Nugget.
>>12806260Bro, if you're already close to the finish line, then just wrap the thing up anyway, I'm sure the project lead can admit you an extra hour or two to finish it. Maybe stick it in a secret slot or something.
>>12806239>There is no differenceThere is. The archived post will show the exact version that was released. That's like using relative timestamps (should've been instant death penalty to the website owners, yet no one did anything and here we are).
>>12805948I think you're gonna be blue, Anon. We got like 3 months and for GMOTA I need to do an art pass, balancing, a trailer, get a VA for Samson, and do one extra thing.and I still haven't finished the Zexion thing either.
>>12805981Levelord made some absolutely sick maps back then. I'd love to play some new map from him, any game.
>>12806365It is unintentional. Whoops. I was rushing at the end.Could be fixed easily.
>>12806393>get a VA for SamsonI'm just picturing Marty trying his best to do a posh goblin voice.
>>12806370>You work fast, nugget!Well, it's not like nuggets aren't usually FAST food!
>>12805880I meant the flying spray of blood for gibbing. And fair enough, it'd probably be a bunch of trouble to work out. Once the Decorate support is fully in though, I guess I could just bake in gore effects like that in my own monsters. Of course, then it could unnecessarily stack with the existing blood spray effect, and it makes me wonder if, later in the future when this would finally be on the table, if maybe an additional actor flag should be added to signal to ports like Nugget to NOT use the blood spray effect? ZDoom ports would only need to ignore such a flag.
>>12806086Of course. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by configured, but I imagine it's something along the lines of needing to do extra work on your end to make it function. In theory: no, it's just a matter of making sure your friend has the same exact sourceport, map set and mods and then going through the motions of connecting to them. This is where I can't really help since I never really play multiplayer, but other anons might.Deimos -1 (and Phobos Delta-1 by extension) does have a bit more going on for co-op play since you can drop off medical supplies. In hindsight maybe I should have extended this functionality to the deployables but again, I don't play MP so it didn't cross my mind.You're better off using UZDoom though. PD-1 requires some Decorate functions Zandronum lacks.>>12806103Thanks for playing, and yes, I wanted something a bit less over the top than YZ. I like it when the guns hit hard but there's less ammo to work with, Struggle: Antaresian Legacy really opened my eyes to that sort of gameplay.>>12806123>the BFGOh yeah, it's more immediately powerful than YZ's sword. The tradeoff is it's just a super BFG of sorts, so you can't quite rely on it for those massive hordes of monsters you see in proper slaughter maps. Still, the blast radius on that thing is 512 and it one shots literally anything that isn't a boss AND spawns tracers on hit too.
>>12805169actually really funny picture ruined by a spelling mistake. Goddamn it.
>>12806560Penguins are not known to be expert linguists, it's fine.
>>12806563man...
>>12806086>>12806554King. Thank you. I wasn’t sure if I’d need to “mod” anything specific for Deimos/PD so this is all good to know.>drop medical suppliesAnd that’s REALLY good to know.
Finally finished playing this. It's quite good overall. Trying to buy every weapon made me realize that it really doesn't have that many maps. It's kind of a shame that you can't replay character specified maps with other characters once you beat the episode.Now it's time to way for the final episode. It's totally going to be released in several years tho
I'm using the PrBoom core in retroarch but does anyone know if I can set a custom resolution, my res isn't in the list. Also is there a way to buff the joystick sensitivity it's seems like it's not quite fast enough.
Here's a proof of concept 3d geometry thing I made a while ago. Very impractical to construct and bad for performance but it makes for a convincing illusion of room over room. It's pretty much just a super dense lattice of intersecting midtextures, which is why my frames and drop sometimes and the visplanes randomly spike to several hundred. Here's a link, Boom compatible and tested with Woof and Nugget: https://files.catbox.moe/ibjdcq.wad
>RedemptionDid anyone play "Redemption of the Slain" wad? It's from the authors of "No Rest for the Living".
>>12806806>Did anyone play "Redemption of the Slain" wad?No.
>>12806796that's some volumetric shitpretty impressive
>>12806796Very impressive. Try and see how it runs in Helios.
>>12806750favorite map and character? for me its Rusty and space colony maps made by Snowfall.The hell section in ep5 is pretty cool too
His ass is NOT a "Flynn."Flynn is the name you'd give to the fourth Home Improvement son. Flynn is what the twink with Cerebral Palsy from Breaking Bad when he doesn't like being called "Junior." Flynn is the cool but kind of skeezy and goofy guy who woo'd Rapunzel in Tangled."DOOM guy" is NOT a Flynn.
>>12806891I prefer him being unnamed other than just "Doomguy" or "The Marine"A character like that should just have a title, not a name.
>>12806878Yeah, I agree with Rusty Nails, he's overall the best character with the best guns. I like Bombshell too, her guns are very powerful and when she used the heavy armored suit with the minigun it was a cool powertrip experience.Best map I think it is Zeta Base. Very well done, with an insane ammount of details and cool lore behind it. It even managed to scare me several times. It doesn't even feel like it's made in Build, among others.I wouldn't be surprised that some people who worked on this game also worked on Ion Fury and it's DLC.
>>12806878>favorite mapProbably zeta base, same as >>12806902>characterA tie between James and Mikko
Do i miss anything if i play legacy of rust on Woof compared to D+D II? What about the machine games expansions and Ironwail?
>>12806928For Dimension/Dawn of the Machine, you’ll only really be some particle and other graphical effects.
>>12806878>mapzeta base. ghost ship and pipe dream(cultist map) are also up there. ep4 i would say is the most consistently good overall. jungle base & pyramid are also overhated, though i understand they can be intimidating to anyone unfamiliar with zaxtor's 'style'
>>12806939be *missing some
>>12806946>jungle base & pyramid are also overhatedAbsolutely not, they are not hated enough and zaxtor"s """"style"""" is making garbage. Jungle pyramid is a literal trial and error stage.
>>12806970>trial and error badwhat board are we in, again?
>>12806971Diet /v/
>>12806971>trial and error badCorrect
>>12806971>trial and error badThat's true. Otherwise Blood would be the best Build game.
>>12806985>Blood on Lightly Broiled>Blood on Well DoneCompletely night and day, WD is certainly more “trial and error”.
>>12806294>but if your main problem is port forwardingIt shouldn't be, we got Metroid Planets working some months ago. I guess Z& could also be considered for ricing it up if to make TNT more palatable for my friend after Doom 2 or Plutonia, depending. Does any version of Smooth Doom work fine on it?>chocolate doomDidn't give it much consideration, but interesting to know that we can do that with Chocolate.>>12806315>It's still P2P multiplayer, but they recently straightened out some of the various old kinks from it.I see. Setup pretty much the same otherwise?>it still has the censored Wolfenstein 3D levelsYeah fuck that.
>>12806971Tryhards Anonymous.
>>12806565>>12806563>>12806560fixed it. Got rid of the watermark too.
>>12806902>I wouldn't be surprised that some people who worked on this game also worked on Ion Fury and it's DLC.none AFAIK, only one of the engine devs got to help with Aftershock. Barely counts
>>12806507I could actually add such a thing already, it might be useful for some DeHackEd mods (e.g. an enemy in Eviternity II drops more items when gibbed, so Nugget's extra gibbing gives you a slight but noticeable advantage -- besides that, merely forcing the gibbing state technically affects playsim anyways).
>>12806985But it is.
>>12804151[09/09] - New Dawn released, an MBF21 weapon mod focused on powerful and fun weapons.>Trailer: https://youtu.be/proIKULisOM>Itch: https://r3voke.itch.io/new-dawn>ModDB: https://www.moddb.com/mods/new-dawn-mbf21This is sort of a showcase mod. I went to great lengths to add a lot of comments to the Decohack file to explain a lot of things, so people interested in toying with the format have something easy to consult and tinker with, as well as build off of in some cases. As usual, hope you guys enjoy it.
>>12807076Shame
>>12807092not really. AMC is giga jank
>>12806891Flynn 'Fly' Taggart
>>12807079Sure, but to clarify I mean the huge spray of blood which you can toggle with Nugget. Not sure if I properly conveyed that.If you already made your own blood spray effect for an enemy's XDeath, it'd be unnecessary (and maybe even visually inconsistent) for both the custom gib spray and Nugget's special gib spray effect to run at the same time. An override.
>>12806891Taggart more like Faggart lmao
>>12807150
>>12806971trial and error is le good, because....?
>>12807087The chainsaw's pretty fucking cool.
>>12806891>BJ had a father who abused him and made him kill his dog>Doomguy lost a wife and son and also blew up a hospital with people in it>Ranger had a wife and kids and hasn't seen them in yearsWhy the fuck do these guys have overdramatized backstories now?
>>12807248It's currently more popular. That's all.
>>12807248>Eternal: Doomguy's wife and kid died>TDA: Doomguy feels guilt over blowing up a hospital with a kid in it>The next game: https://youtu.be/sVZ5yH5BYyk?si=mmJaylwY44cuPWGS&t=1819
>>12807129I understand, I was giving an example.
>>12804323>Dr DoomThe guy from Philly?
>>12807248What would they come up with for Commander Keen?
>>12807248I saw a nuDoom fan claim that Daisy was originally going to be a human child, is that true or did he pull that out of his ass?
>>12807575>nuDoom fanThis appears to be a rare case of one of those pulling things outs of their arse, rather than shoving things up their arse. A very rare case indeed.
It's time for Wednesday Night Wipeout!Come play some SRB2Kart!How to join:Download version 1.6 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/download/v1.6/srb2kart-v16-Installer.exeGet the custom client we use: https://codeberg.org/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune/releases/tag/Neptune2.5.1Get the mods either automatically in-game or at: https://macgu.fun/repo/srb2kart/Connect to macgu.fun (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)>I HAVE TO BITCH FAST AND TEXT CHAT TOO SLOWWe also have a Mumble server!Address: 51.161.34.159Port: defaultPassword: endoom>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?No.Pro tips: https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq(This is out of date and written for a different server, but it still has a lot of useful information.)
>>12806971I like the sierra games
I'm just now getting through arcane dimensions, what other community made quake maps are recommended? I'll play anything and it's all pretty good, I like the OG episodes and levels just fine but I'm wondering what else is out there.
>>12807671Alkaline, Violent Rumble, Dwell - like AD, these are a few more solid "modern" mods. For some "holy shit pretty" mods, there's Ter Shibboleth and Mjolnir.
Hey Kegan, are you gonna do vertical slice deaths for the Malefactors eventually?
>>12807551He got tied up and betrayed by id software then sacrificed/killed by Doom guy in hell. Multiple times. Imagine hunt down the freeman but with a super shotgun, chainsaw, rocket launcher, bfg 9000. Or berserk fists.
doom is fun
Old nugget skybox vscylindrical skybox,
My friends find Quake too scary so I'm trying to turn all the enemies into hippos to make it more bearable.
>>12807884But Hippos are fucking scary.
>>12807884this is more scary
>>12807684Thanks nigga
Which wad has the best text screens?
>>12807935Going Down
>>12807575As a lifelong Doom obsessive, this is the first time I have ever seen that suggested ever.There were multiple different ideas for potential plot, and even whole casts of characters, but that part was not one of them.
Get parried, geek.
>>12804150These thread promos just get better and better, OP.
>>12807595GGs
Are there really no wads released in past few years worth reviewing?
>>12808023can't stand this bloke but Sunlust is so good that I will watch anyway
>>12806328that intermission screen isn't the aislop that was proposed earlier was it?
>>12808182no it's what anon made in gimp from stock imagesand i tweaked it a bitthere's a gimp project in devlogs/INTERPIC.xcf
Do you think Quake as the original first person RPG Romero envisioned would've been based? I think we were robbed.
>>12808205Yes. It would be less boring at least.
>>12808205Probably jank but charming, difficult to tell with what little info there was and how long his rockstar phase went for.
>>12808213True but you would've had Carmack and the other guys at id to reign in and help shape his vision had they decided to make it. I think it would've been awesome despite likely being a bit jank too just due to the tech of the time.
>>12808205RPG? Like Slipgate Rangers?
>>12808205just play Daikatana
>>12808220It was inspired by a character from their D&D campaign. It was going to be a medieval fantasy RPG >>12808221It wouldn't have been Romero running wild like Daikatana if iD had made it. He would've had the guys there contributing to the vision and reign in his more batshit inclinations.
>>12808205>would've beenShubnigga we can't even tell what Quake FPS would've been, with how they barely managed to crunch it out.
>>12808240This is a hypothetical, it's assuming the game Romero pitched and teased got made as they imagined it.
I'm retarded is this https://msx.horse/eos/ safe to download? It looks really nice but it gives you a virus warning and gets picked up by lots of different antivirus software.Icaruslives played it and said its fine but he's fat and a drunk. So its hard to believe him.
>>12808220https://rome.ro/s/qtalk400.txtThis is Quaketalk 95 from October 20 1995 and has all the public quotes Romero had made on Quake up to that time. It was going to be an open/semi-open world RPG with third person combat and a day/night cycle with NPCs that went about the world on schedules doing their thing depending on the time. The character was going to be a super bad ass named Quake with a giant war hammer. Work had began on it (some of the enemies from the finished Quake were created for the RPG, like the knights etc) and it was the next month that they had their company meeting and decided to abandon the RPG and just make it a shooter. So this file from October contains everything he had publicly said about it before that decision was made.
>>12808190nice
>>12808263Yeah it set mine off last I looked at it, far as I can tell it's whatever the shit they did to some dll, it's probably a false positive but with how much of a liability GzDoom has been since 3.0, who the fuck knows.
>>12808268The way he described it, it sounds extremely cool but I do have some doubts they could've pulled all of this off at that time or at least within the timeframe it took Quake to be made. It may have taken a whole other year to make it than the Quake we got took.
>>12808023There's been loads of fun ones, some pretty small too, dude just committed himself to the content mil immense fuckery of covering little but the big name 32+ map ones so it's no fucking wonder he killed his own enthusiasm for shit.
>>12808326>within the timeframe it took Quake to be madeOnce again, Quake development was crunched to hell and back, people were dropping like flies. There's no other game that can be made in this timeframe, Quake is like the absolute maximum you can pull out in that time.On a side note, God bless them for focusing on making the basic FPS game but making it super crazy polished, instead of half-assing the basics or bloating extra features. I can barely imagine someone making such a decision in modern gamedev.
>>12808373They should've taken the extra time to make the RPG.
>>12808268Sounds like the Oblivion presentations. Truly, Romero was the Todd Howard of 1995.
>>12808268>text file is from 31 years agoMan I feel old as fuck.
>>12808419>Truly, Romero was the Todd Howard of 1995.or the Peter Molyneux of 95.
>Story was never taken that seriously>Protagonist was a blank slate>Gameplay comes first>Best modding of all timeI wonder if people take these to the extreme in a way that means "you're not supposed to think the premise of Doom is cool or has any appeal at all" and that's why we got some mods the way they are.They see Doom as a vehicle for their own characters and ideas, as if the premise of a buff dude chainsawing demons is not meant to be liked.Which is kinda ironic because at the same time, with some mods and Realm667 assets, you get the feeling of fans "expanding the Doom setting" in ways that never really happen in the official games besides maybe Legacy of Rust or something.But whenever you see a mod with a premise like "what if Ralsei is in the Backrooms", you have to wonder what they think of the actual premise of Doom and even its influences at the time like Alien or the kind of movies that id watched back then.And the follow up to this also being "caring about Doom's setting is when you give a shit about the nuDoom lore which has a whole different direction from the original games anyway".
>>12808419>>12808432Did he overpromised about Quake? Or Doom?
>>12808457A bit for Quake, it was just dwarfed by Daikatana.
so, would you guys want to be a brain trapped in a jar playing doom all day?https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/after-google-mapped-an-adult-male-fruit-flys-brain-software-engineers-made-it-play-doom-mario64-and-beat-saber/
>>12808268talk about scope creep
>>12808205>I think we were robbedNah, most of these ideas were carried over into Daikatana (which also had RPG elements and NPC allies) and all of those ideas came from early quake, but everyone knows what happened to that... I think his ideas were way too ambitious with unrealistic expectations for something from 95 when 3D stuff was still in its early stages and much more difficult to work on, especially since they only had a year to get everything done. I’ve noticed that Romero really seems to prioritize quantity over quality. desu I’m kinda satisfied with what Q1 ended up becoming.
Can /vr/ recommend me any good doom wads? No vanilla stuff please, I like more unique map packs. Also where to look for good doom wads? I usually go for doomworld but you need to dig for hours to find something good.
>>12808586666 minutes duh
>>12808586https://www.moddb.com/mods/phlegethon
>>12808626Not finished yet thoooo>>12808634Saw that one but don't like the colors. Too dark and black for my taste.
>>12808586
>>12807889you'd think that, but ear wiggling makes them cute
>>12808675this is nuts
>>12808586halloween is getting close, so ad mortem
>>12808586I've been having fun replaying Ancient Aliens after an X-files kickNo way near as hard as I remember it being
DooM Helion port is a piece of shit: Remanence wad map01 - near end 2k - room with spawning mancubi on pillars which should lower - they don't. Correct complevel, and dsda-doom does it as intended.So either idiots got their shit right or not.Don't tell me about fucking complevels if you cannot sort your pitifully scrambled shitport out!!!1 Never again./vent
>>12808329That's been my thought - he burnt himself out UV maxing and pistol starting in a single segment all the hardest multi hour long vanilla or mostly vanilla slaughter 32 level mapsets. There's plenty of fun stuff once you get away from that slog fest.
>>12808727Doing that twice for each wad, filming it all, writing his script, recording that, editing it all, all before moving onto the next one and then the next one, on top of having a job and a life outside of Doom crap.It would have been healthier and more sensible to do smaller wads, stuff like Hi Viz is only 7 maps but it's plenty to do a video on, of course the trouble is it's not gonna do the numbers like doing a Cacoward darling every week for an entire series but it's how you don't kill your enjoyment of it dead.
>>12808263I can't tell if I should be impressed or horrified by this. It's top-tier schizo. The effort is clearly there and it shows, but merely looking at the internals makes me want to chew on a Xanax bar and ask for a second serving. Even from the first-minute presentation I can tell it's going to be one of those "so esoteric and quirky lowercase 2deep4u" projects that only the author can ever relate to because they've pharmaceutically transcended humanity and no longer exist on the same plane as the rest of us.Anyway, to get this shit to run with GZDoom 4.14.3 without running the exe you need to do the following:>get the two Data.eos files from the Data folder. Data1 is gzdoom.pk3, Data2 is the TC itself.>move the Maps folder from data1 to data2.>in ZScript/player/ELPH.zsc, comment out TestActivateLine and line one below.This is the only thing that requires the custom exe as the method is some native thing specific to that version. From what I see it only displays a "use" prompt on the HUD. Inconsequential.This got MAP01 to run fine.But I don't give a fifth of a fuck about vanilla in any capacity so we're going modded. Here's what to do:>in mapinfo/GAMEINFO.zmap, remove pc_EventHandler unless you want the custom crosshair>Null check any places you see "doomelph(", which is mostly in POWERUP.zsc, RESOLVE.zsc, and ZSCRIPT.zsc>in the case of saveChecker (ZSCRIPT.zsc), remove that typecast entirely. It's unnecessary>in ZSCRIPT.zsc, ABSOLUTELY comment out "CVar.SaveConfig()" or your mod bindings will get nuked every time. Likely an engine bug.>to access the options menu, use "openmenu OptionsList" in the menu. No idea how relevant half of these are for modded stuff>remove SBARINFO>load your mod AFTER this oneYMMV depending on the mod. No guarantees everything will run smoothly either. The map script source is deleted so the whole thing is a complete black box. The ACS source on the site doesn't help at all.
I'm ready to post RC1 to doomworldThen final release in few weeks. Updates are still accepted before final
>>12808263>Icaruslives played it and said its fine but he's fat and a drunkWait then why are you asking people here?
>>12808858Not that anon but Icarus isn't all that bright or reliable or observative, he absolutely would run a mod that's virused up the arse and not even notice.
>>12808861That's true, but there are probably a large volume of fat drunkards here.
>>12807880much better imhovanilla and linear sky projections result in a fish-like view effect
>> 666 minutes of /vr/ <<RC1 is live!DW: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/160124-lru-666-minutes-of-vr/RC1: https://gitgud.io/-/project/49137/uploads/03f20a8c97f0a9ef6ac5302d60c99006/666minvr-RC1.zip>>12804151
>>12808858I don't know Icarus could be wrong you know. It looks really nice but I kind of would like more opinions on this. Don't want to play that wad, turn off my PC and the next time I boot it up its bricked.
>>12808881>half of the maps were made by ivansew hard pass
>>12808909Don't you have a Ukrainian to get beaten up by?
>>12808382They were behind on tech, and barely scraped by with Quake. They maybe could've done something like a first person Diablo or something, but a full blown open world RPG would've crashed and burned.
>>12808884>I don't know Icarus could be wrong you know.He frequently is, or just has shit opinions like how he thought Dakka ought to become a second Russian Overkill.
>>12808884Oh no you're absolutely right there, Icarus is often a dummy.I'm more insinuating a lot of people here are dummies too.
>>12808881Nice. Wish I had time to do a polish pass on my map, but I think it turned out pretty fun anyway. I have a secret I forgot to put anything in. lmao...Really hit the time limit like a fuckin wall, and lost a fair bit of work due to a crash early on.Always Be Saving.
>>12808881>half the maps are made by draft dodging dronebaitlollmao even
>>12808921>do something actually cool and productive instead of becoming mince meat for nothing in a retard warYeah, those damn draft dodgers. How dare they?
>>12808919I'd say the general level here is still mostly quite a bit above Icarus's head, he just sort of bumbles the fuck through existence and only really pays attention to stuff that is shoved right in his face.I can't blame Anon for wanting a second opinion if that's his first port of call for finding stuff.
is bloodfalls the most hated d2 map after nirvana and the pit? chasm doesn't count
>>12808920you can still send me updates especially if it's some graphics artefactjust noticed one (look at the top of the building)
>>12808920I thought that stupid drain secret was purely for the lolz
>>12808921Teacup's maps are arguably the best in the set, very worth playing.>>12808947I posted about it before, it's some weird thing software rendering can do with some long orthogonal linedefs in certain cases (I first noticed it in a map of my own, seems to happen in some tall ceilings).Anyway, literally just splitting up the linedef into multiple shorter ones should fix it. I hope you'll still take my almost finished map BTW.
>>12808881Congrats on the release. It's always good to see the general make stuff.
>>12808863I may be fat, but I'm not drunk, thank you very much.
>>12808935I still hate The Factory the most.
>>12808881I'll be playing these and sharing my thoughts.Map 1 looks surprisingly good. It often reminds me of Bauhaus.wad and that's good, it's one of my favorites. It seems to take after some older WADs that aren't afraid of letting you fucking yourself over if you don't look for secrets and don't play the whole map. I ran out of ammo something like three times and beat a couple pinkies to death before getting the chainsaw.The red key fight was infight central for me, I think I spent something like 2 minutes waiting for the barons and mancs to kill each other as well as the few other monsters and managed to leave without much trouble at all.It's good/10.
>>12809089>I ran out of ammo something like three timesyeah that's the problem of both guy's mapsi played them >3 times each and it happened every time
>>12809089>I ran out of ammo something like three times and beat a couple pinkies to death before getting the chainsaw.I really liked this, you get starved some on ammo, but you get a saw and good opportunities to make great use of it in the art gallery.I love maps that make the saw fun.
>>12809089Onto map 2 now. It's still pretty and makes more use of the BTSX textures, but this time you can really feel you're fucking up if you don't track other weapons and secrets. I pulled through with a couple deaths but I braced for the eventual bottleneck and relied more on infighting again.This one could have use some more ammo in plain sight, I'm afraid. Unlike map 1, you're gonna be seeing a lot more mid tier monsters.The ending was cool though. Punched out the two viles after dumping my bullets into them.>>12809106My only gripe is two maps with this exact kind of gameplay might be a little much.>>12809109Yeah, it's not like ammo starvation isn't a huge issue since you do get berserk and chainsaw. It's an incovenience if you blow all your ammo away before leaving though.
>>12809198Map 3 is pretty cool and if there wasn't a bit of a concern to set something up map 2's exit, I would have said it would have made an excellent map 2. It's short, simple and actually can kill you really quickly if you just go along with it.These two fuckers almost managed to pin between some crates and I'm not sure how I slipped past them. Anyway, got the secret exit. Curious to see what that will look like.
>>12809198>>12809217do you think 2 and 3 should be swapped?the continuous players will come loaded with ammo from secret levels so 'scraping the bottom' will be easier for themlore-wise it also may work, at the end of deadlift you board the ship so it takes you to a techbase (as a stowaway?) and at the end of scraping you go out to a surface with palms so also a good transition to a desert 'episode'
>>12809227It might be a good idea, Deadlift lets the player cut loose but still demands enough care to be beaten and the reward is the ammo you'll bring into Scraping the Bottom (or Brevity is the Soul of Shit).
>>12809227another idea:tertiary -> deadlift -> (secret)caverns -> scraping -> tethys -> oasis -> brevity
nnghhHHHH!STAIRSSTAIRS DOWNjust writing note for a level, going back to sleep now
>>12809272I too had idea for stairs-themed wad not so long agoAll 32 maps of stairs. Not always directly down but in general each map nudges you in downwards direction. High verticality, stair fights.First level you descend the stairs of your home, then a city (remember altruze.wad?), then some mountain, aztec temples, swampy bogbottom, cave, hell, and eventually you arrive to the center of the earth.
>>12809272>STAIRS DOWNThe Going Down sequel where you instead descend down a very long staircase.
>>12809279Didn't the secret map kind of do that?
>>12809278>>1280927910000 steps of /vr/
>>12809217Map 31 is probably name ironically, but it was gimmicky and pretty cheeky - so you know, the sort of thing you give secret status to. I did run out of ammo before the finale (which seems to be a strange reocurrence in this WAD), but then again I'm not playing seriously. I'm just bumbling through these levels and seeing where they lead me. This one took me something like 15 minutes to get through.The final exit denial is great, actually. The gawky gargoyle pillars are adorable.
>>12808539That's how people catalogued gaming news at the time, zoomie.
>>12809089>I ran out of ammo something like three times and beat a couple pinkies to death before getting the chainsaw.Same, but I'm playing on a trackpoint and I feel like I could've done a lot better otherwise.It does feel like an older style pwad though, just a fair bit prettier. I still thought it lacked some interest in some areas, but - speedmap. I think biting off a bit more than was chewable was a theme for this set.
>>12809431Everything has been downhill after Happypuppy stopped being the news site.
>you got your minecraft in my doom editor!>you got your doom editor in my minecraft!
>>12809438Agreed
>>12809458>no gay sex with hats on
>>12809458Well, I tried cropping it so it was simpler visually, but whatever.Anyway, it's a modification of https://github.com/Donitzo/wad-togetherWhich is a multiplayer browser based doom editor (we should coop make a wad sometime /vr/)... I'm just fucking around with it atm, but hoping to get it in a state where I can minecraft out a doom map with my kid. For fun.
>>12804151https://youtu.be/tGkUenC_7LEFinal Dean of Doom episode
>>12809529It's faggoty and cringe enough that you decided to reply to the news post with this e-celeb loser, but it seems the comments on that video have outdone you.I hope your dog (or cat if you're a fairy boy) gets thrown into an oven and you're forced to watch for making me see this post you worthless waste of carbon and oxygen
>>12809529the comment section is painfully cringe.
>>12809529>Saves are allowed>A+ for slaughterslopEnd of an error
I love Doom.Co-op with friendly-fire on is bad ass, I'm a huge fan of it.-t.neverplayedcoopFF
>>12809546I don't mind mtpain/dean of doom, but any wad that essentially forces you to know what's coming up beforehand is irritating to me. Even if, after you know what is going to happen, the fights are fun, the fact that you have to know in the first place is wrong.A map that has to proceed with caution the first time through and still able to make it on a first playthrough is better than any carefully scripted clairvoyancy-traps of similar quality.Traps: fine.Traps that require precognition to escape: bullshit.
>>12809529>listening to this gay faggot's voice for 1 hourDamn you people are masochistic, aren't you
whats up with deathstriders toxic air? ive got the little particles all over place, but its doing anything even if im not wearing a rad suit or armor.
>>12809579I can't imagine giving as much as fuck as you do about this, you samefagging cuntwad.Stop being a shit stirrer. Your hands are in the shit you weirdo. Stop it.
>>12809465That's pretty cool, actually. It would be chaos to host a project using that, but it would be fun.Since MtPain27 is done with Doom at least for now, I figured I'd toss a recomendation out for Vela Noir. Similar shtick, except there's no grades, just "I like this map", "I didn't like this map".>https://youtu.be/G7VSphzhU1M
>>12809610this guys actually pretty quality, surprisingly
>>12809609i'm not samefagging tho.
>>12809613Yeah, he's amateurish and his audio balance could use some work, but he's clearly having fun and not taking things seriously.I think he's mostly into old wads and that's fine, I barely play those so they're still new to me.
>>12809558At some point though you run into a limit of how hard you can make a fight while keeping it fair for blind players. I like my fights dick crushingly hard, I don't mind needing to spend over an hour on a long ass fight with multiple waves. The blind experience usually means nothing to me as I prefer the experience of practicing the fight to perfection to be fun instead. But I demo slaughtermaps so ymmv.
This is the only video of value mtpain ever produced, as an autobiographical look into the mind of a cheater and how he copes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XQJ5eipCcc
>>12809558>>12809650Multiple difficulty balancing seems the solution for this issue: Harder settings are less friendly for 'blind players', easier skill settings are more approachable and less rude with their traps and encounters. People who go through at an easier setting also have the harder difficulties to look forward to on a replay.>>12809665>that first pinned commentJesus fuck, is that from you?
>>12809665Savin' ain't cheatin', keep this up and I'll have your mama not change your diaper. Now shut your whore mouth and let us enjoy Doom instead of obsessing over how some rando plays. Back in my day samefaggin' was an honest job, you damn dirty zoombaby!
>>12809546>slaughter bad beep beep boopfuck off retard
>>12809670looks like it is lol. dude is obsessed with this fuckhead
>>12809675His incessant gay nagging makes me want to make a slaughter map.
>>12809665Funniest part of this video is where he admits that he thinks DOOM2.WAD and TNT.WAD are too difficult to enjoy playing through saveless. People really turned this guy into some kind of an authority on map design, all because he has a youtube channel.
>>12809670>Jesus fuck, is that from you?No, if you can believe it, I'm not the first person in the world to call a save scummer a cheater.
>>12809678>>12809670>aussie>aussie soifag at thatChristopher Poole was right
>>12809706im australian now? funny, i thought were i lived had more beaners than roo-fuckers
>>12809710No, I mean the guy commenting.
>>12809712ah, thats my bad then. im a little retardedhes also a fire emblem faggot, to absolutely noones surprise
>>12809610>That's pretty cool, actually. It would be chaos to host a project using that, but it would be fun.Making it would be the fun even if playing it isn't. I didn't think you could plant much out, flow wise, for the map, but you might be able to work out a village of /vr/ wad from it. Or some such.
>>12809671Saving isn't cheating, but a map that requires it on a first playthrough is poor design imo. >>12809670I can understand that perspective, but even then uv should be balanced toward top tier players on a blind run rather than save scummers.No offense.
>>12809729>didn'tDon't. Obv
>>12809731>uv should be balanced toward top tier players who determines who is "top tier"? what the fuck is "top tier" in doom, anyway? is it speedrunners? people like decino who play slaughterslop on stream? this isnt some mega-competitive game like counter strike or overwatch with thousands of metrics per map, per character, etc, etc. the idea of designing something for a specific player when theres no metric to judge who would fit that criteria is...nonsensical. absurd.
>>12809529Is Sunlust really an "A+"? I thought it was just supposed be a memewad
>>12809795Yeah, it's pretty great, but you may need to drop your difficulty to HMP or even HNTR. It's a pretty hard mapset. UV is for those who want to become doom gods.
The Forgotton Shrine was my favorite too but only because Secrets of Evermore is a favorite game of mine. Same with Go Fuck Yourself and Streets of Rage.
>>12809731I think that UV should be balanced to what the mapper himself considers hard, but still beatable.
>>12809670>Multiple difficulty balancing seems the solution for this issueProblem is it's a solution that requires re-educating the dingbats who think they have to blind, single-segment UVmax everything or else they'll never see their pet gerbil again, that they can go down the skills and it's fine.>>12809738Neither really, I don't balance for speedrunners since they do their own thing and you'll only make it miserable for everybody else while trying to stop them breaking shit, and I sure as fuck don't balance for streamers who get incredibly bitchy if they can't find every secret on their first (and probably only) blind run of a map because you're just trying to feed a content mill.>>12809938Pretty much this, HNTR is my beatable without too much effort, HMP is challenging for the average player, UV is my difficult but not I Wanna Be The Guy bullshit.
>>12809795It's fucking good. As said though, it has difficulty levels for a reason, it goes balls to the walls on UV, but is considerably more restrained on HMP and HNTR, so while it has its very earned reputation for challenge, it's actuallu also accommodating at the same time.It's worth noting IMO, because many .wads don't bother implementing difficulty levels at all, and also because a lot of people ignore implemented difficulty levels but then complain about .wads being too hard.
>>12809795>Sunlust>memewadwdym?
Finished Stagnant Weather and decided to switch back to Combined_Arms to play something with Tech Monk and chose Slime On Earth. This fits nicely.
>>12809945so then who would you consider "top tier"? or are you just saying youre gonna make it balls difficult and if they can be beat it, they can beat it, which makes them "top tier"?
>>12810028Rats, they're top fucking percentage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgaPmUjYbTc
>>12810039you know whati agree. i love rats, and they deserve to be the top tier of doom players
>>12809278That's way better and more ambitious than the notion that struck me in my sleep, I just realized I should turn a few parts of my map into stairways to make it less flat feeling.Legit, your idea has some legs, at least for an episode or so, and you should do it.The vision I get in my own head of this now, is just plain going into the basement of a normal building (perhaps you're playing as Maintenance Guy or Plumber Guy), and it's a normal basement, except there's stairs down into a sub-basement, and then that sub-basement has stairs going down into another basement floor, and it's just this increasing depth down into the earth, of these different sketchy basements, and which get more absurd and outlandish. Some are claustrophobic, some are weirdly roomy, some are dry, some are moist, some are cool, some are warm.I want lots of shadow and contrast, with stark and gaudy color highlights, like a Sunsoft game.
>>12809731>a map that requires it on a first playthrough is poor designBy this metric, every single map is poorly-designed at least once since every map can kill you if you don't know what's coming next even if it's specifically made to avoid cheap deaths. Just because (you) are a skilled player it doesn't mean the next person to check the map out is, and this holds especially true for nasty traps that can be seen as early as E1M6's red key room.(you) are probably the kind of person who expects to boot up Gradius or R-Type and beat it first try, no hits, without any further attempts to toy with the mechanics it offers or be cool with dying, learning and applying what you learned to finish the level without dying. The death of curiosity and patience is very, very real.>>12809729A /vr/illage sounds like a cool place to visit, actually.
>>12809731>but a map that requires it on a first playthrough is poor designI don't think that's a realistic or fair assessment. What if there's a trap or ambush? Maybe it's a deadly one and you didn't survive, or maybe you're either perceptive enough to suss it out, or just gud enough to make it.
I couldn't get captcha yesterday and post, whats up with that?
>>12810115I guess all the encounters have to be predictable as fuck to cater to those needing to single segment everything on the first try.
>>12810102>By this metric, every single map is poorly-designed at least once since every map can kill youThat's not the same thing. Just because any map CAN kill you doesn't mean that careful conscious playing can't save you. Obviously these are >opinions, and there are loads of maps out there that seemingly require precognition that people like. I don't just don't care them in that regard though. They're like iwannabetheguy.wadartificialdifficulty.wadThese obviously aren't real, but I kinda want to make them now.But an example would be a map where you have two paths, one locks you into a fight and the other path you didn't take has all the ammo you need for the fight.There are other maps where a trap pretty much requires you just getting lucky in your response to avoid instant Cyberdemon death, or remembering the one tiny pillar to avoid the arch vile while mancubi fire at you from all sides. Technically you can do these first go, but traps lose meaning imo when they're stacked so far against you like this because you're not scraping by at 50% health living by your wits, you're just trying again. There's a balance is all and I think a lot of maps miss it.>(you) are probably the kind of personStopped reading here.
>>12810160The kind of people who actually really like single segmenting don't tend to want levels to go easy on them.
>>12810184>Obviously these are >opinions, and there are loads of maps out there that seemingly require precognition that people like.That's like, what, Hell Revealed 1 & 2?People don't tend to make maps like that anymore, and thank fuck for that.
uzdoom has a billion options, what are some recommended changes?
>>12808881>checks out DW thread>nobody commented on it, it’s just mcfaggy’s comment and some likes from the same /vr/ people.well, this is sad
>>12808205>>12808268>No music instead of the kino NiN soundtrack.What the fuck was romero thinking?
>>12810241I only used it for a few hours of Strife. Default options seemed fine to me.
>>12808205Probably would've been really cool but Quake as it turned out is also more unique from Doom than I used to give it credit for, so I don't yearn for it anymore.
>>12809670>People who go through at an easier setting also have the harder difficulties to look forward to on a replayIf I lived eternally, I'd replay stuff.One reason (of many) I like>slaughtermapsis there are no secrets mostly or they're very obvious. Also constant action and not running around empty levels hugging walls. Yes the gameplay is kinda cheap, and those poor monsters get kinda abused (if that makes sense). And there's still progress so you feel like playing SP and not DM on a small and (very) repetitive map.
>>12810243>well, this is sadIt's only been a day. I just played the first two maps so far.
>>12804151Quake II PSX Jam 2 releasedhttps://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-re-release-psx-jam-2
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>>12810286>If I lived eternally, I'd replay stuff.I revisit favorite levelsets the same way I would towards favorite games, movies, and songs, but yeah there’s plenty out there to keep you busy forever.My bigger concern is that people choose the difficulty setting that works best for them so their first and maybe only time through is enjoyable.
>>12810184You sound like a closeted speedrunner or someone who wants to be the guy but is afraid to stand out.You make good points though.>>12810243I'll comment when I finish, and I think it's just 3 maps left.
I used to save between consecutive projectiles I was dodging. That's an addiction, man.
