Is it okay to like games with bad gameplay?
> good thing is ACTUALLY BAD
>bad thing goodContrarian
No. That's how redditors who are muh story think. If you want to post here, you must prioritise gameplay above all else and can't like anything with bad gameplay.
Why does Metal Gear have bad gameplay again?>inb4 Snake doesn't move like a platformer character, in a non-platformer game, meaning it has bad gameplay
>>12804521Why do you make threads trying to shit on MGS every day? I think at this point you already got your opinion out and need to shut the fuck up, leave the board and kill yourself.
Pac. Man.
It's ok to mock low quality threads like these and kill the fags who makes them.
>>12804556Because the zoomie played MGSV 1st and doesn’t understand why a game 20 years older doesn’t have the same mechanics
>he breaks games apart into graphic, sound, story, gameplay, challenge, etcDo you also judge movies based on the camera lens, the extras in the backgrounds, the surround-mixing of the dialogue, and the seat placement?
>>12804521Yeah I liked the Mario Bros series and those games had THE WORST gameplay
The gameplay is actually the best part of the first few Metal Gear games. The story was holding it back. Metal Gear's stealth is better than Splinter Cell because you can run around and don't have to crouch around slowly like a slow faggot. And Thief is barely a stealth game, it's more like a map exploration game because it's so easy to knock out all the guards; Thief's good, but not in the same way as Metal Gear.
>>12804521I wouldn't say the gameplay is bad, it's serviceable to decent. It's just that the campaign isn't a very good vehicle for it.
>>12804521faggot
>>12804950I judge movies based on the amount of non-dialogue action that occurs in between the unskippable cutscenes.
What's wrong with it?>in b4 pic related
>>12804521Metal Gear has always been a case of good gameplay but not nearly enough of it though. These games waste too much time with the narrative and cutscenes instead of actually letting you have fun in the environments. The VR missions are great because they let you experience what the game is truly capable of when you aren't getting interrupted by a phone call every 5 minutes
>>12805318faggot
>>12806792>VR missionsMein Neger.
>>12806694>But what if I were to wear sunglasses and disguise myself as Master Miller? Ohoho, delightfully devilish, liquid!
>>12804521MGS has good gameplay because it understands what it is - a movie game. It's basically a boss rush where you move from room to room and story is the main attraction. It was a more streamlined, linear version of MSX2 games. MGS2 and MGS3 tipped the scale and ruined the pacing by shoving hours of walking around in the first half because they added some new retarded mechanics.
>>12804521The stealth parts and boss fights are all great, the only part I think is genuinely bad is that one stairwell where you just spam flash grenades.
>>12804521Anons here love FFVII so I don't see why not I guess.
>>12804526Welcome to post 2016 4chan
>>12804521yeah i like mega man legends, lot of ps1 games are good despite the controls
I think the most frustrating thing is not the controls but inconsistency. In the prison fight, elevator fight, cargo elevator fight, and especially the final escape portion, it felt almost random whether the guards decide to just light you up or run around like retards waiting for you to kill them. At least that's how it felt for me when I recently did a Big Boss playthrough. Meanwhile, with the bosses, like Ocelot, the Ninja, Metal Gear Rex, Liquid Snake, etc. you can win damageless every time if you have the knowledge and skill to do so. The only boss I didn't like was Sniper Wolf 2 because, again, it sometimes felt like she would just stand around waiting to get shot and other times she would pop out and quickscope two-pump you like a Counterstrike player and take away half your life.
>>12808040OP was talking about gameplay, obtuse-kun.
>>12808536you could always just cheese sniper wolf 2 with the nikita
>>12810009NTA but whenever I played I did this and justified it as Snake not giving a fuck at this point about giving Wolf a proper honorable fight after all she did. It's hilarious how she barely reacts to the rockets.
>>12804521Yes if the other aspects are top-notch.Pic related is the perfect example of it>beautiful artstyle and pixelart that makes it feel like you're travelling across postcards>OST is probably Shimomura's best work to this day>story is not Shakespeare-tier but it and worldbuilding are miles better than in any other Seiken Densetsu title>Kawazu produced this game and his Saga autism shows in this game - cryptic crafting system, golemology that requires its own academic degree. building world map is full of hidden features, learning how orchard works, figuring out how to raise pets properly...>game welcomes replayability as there are tons of techs to learn and many quests are easy to missBut then you get to actual combat and it's probably the worst one in the series>base difficulty is piss easy - weapons with ATK 30-40 can carry you through entire game; later difficulties mostly inflate enemy HP, so unless you figured how crafting works the average trashmob fight lasts for 10-20 minutes in No Future mode (while with well-crafted weapon game becomes piss easy again)>you can easily stunlock enemies to death by using 2H sword or axe and looping with the first hit of the combo>magic sucks because its damage is tied to type of instrument's material and can't be increased, and at higher difficulties it just turns into i-frame machine>only reason bosses can't be stunlocked to death is because they spam long ass i-frame specials, so you just use your own i-frame specials and you realize this is just a poor game designI am fully aware that its gameplay sucks, but every other aspect of it is really damn good.
>>12810009Yeah but I usually cheese Vulcan Raven with Nikita Rockets so for Sniper Wolf I just find her location with the Stinger and the snipe her like you're supposed to.
>>12804521What's bad about how MGS1 plays?
>>12804521MGS has great gameplay. I replayed the game a ton just because it was so fun.
