It's over. The legacy of this game is tarnished forever.
what happened now
>>12805053From the looks of it they're giving it the Star Fox treatment. If that's the case, then it'll be a pretty faithful remake. It'll be fine and the new generation can cherish and experience what we experienced.
Looks like dogshit UE5 AI sloppa
>>12805053never cared about this game in the first place.
>>12805053Cope boomer, it looks good
>>12805053Looks exactly how I thought it would.
>>12805073>>12805101>t. "that man"
pretty pretty shiny shiny
It unironically looks like the DLSS5 meme.
ewwwww
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>>12805053What happened? Never played it, nor am I fan of LOZ, but curious as to what you're referring to.
>>12805053What legacy?
>>12805137The legacy of being the single most over-valued game in the history of the medium.
>>12805065>From the looks of it they're giving it the Star Fox treatment. If that's the case, then it'll be a pretty faithful remakeIt's not faithfull ,watch the electric underground video
>>12805151Most people do not feel this way, it's mostly weird n64 millennials who are a declining and irrelevant population.
>>12805126Not my Sheik this is a girlSheik has short hair and is a boy
Just shut the fuck up
>>12805053Voice acting in a zelda game is such a fucking mistake, I don't know if the breath of the slop games have it, so this is the first Ive heard it in a zelda game, holy fuck it's terrible
>>12805053all remakes are shit and not retro. delete this thread
>>12805163ywnbaj
>>12805158>declining and irrelevant populationThey are a larger and more relevant population than zoomers, or gen alpha put together.
>>12805182N64 or OoT didn't sell enough for that to be the case, delusional tendie.
>>12805157The idea of a "faithful" remake is retarded anyway. The most faithful thing you could do is to just preserve the original in its entirety. A remake is inherently unfaithful. Just make a completely new game, that's actually more worthwhile than dogshit "faithful" remakes like House of the Dead, Panzer Dragoon, Star Fox, Mario All-Stars (yes All-Stars is shit), the SNES Dragon Quest remakes and some of the other bad DQ remakes (some of them are cool), the Digital Devil Story remakes, Dead Rising, etc. All those games are just the originals but easier and with worse aesthetics, and maybe some new glitches to sprinkle on top. Good remakes, meanwhile, are Shadow of the Ninja Reborn, Wild Guns Reloaded, Pocky & Rocky Reshrined, etc, which do not overly concern themselves with being "faithful".
>>12805182The opinion that ocarina or the n64 as a whole are significant is held only by a shrinking and irrelevant population of millennial aged nerds. Zoomers greatly prefer PC, PlayStation and even Sega Saturn has had its historically poor reputation rewritten by the next generation.
>>12805127she's jew?
nintendo is disappearingsoon sony will dominate the world like before
>I'm just gonna regurgitate and samefag a bunch of forced /vr/ shitposts Yeah, I'm thinking you'll have better luck getting the attention you're looking for with this shit on Facebook. Fuck off, retard.
>>12805232Well duh, she's the one rensponsible for misleading Link and ruining the future.
FINALLY!!!!now that a remake is coming out the original OOT slop will be deemed ''outdated'' by normies and will no longer be shoved in every ''top video games lists''
can't believe nintendo is going the disney routethis must be because we didn't love Wonder as much as we should've
>>12805053You'll live.
>>12805271I hate how modern games render hair.
>>12805063zoomers simultaneously angry the Ocarina remake looks both too much like and nothing like the original. bitching to bitch because it's popular and cool now to be a hater
>>12805284Only the PS2 was able to get it right thanks to the hardware
>>12805053the remake is dogshit ugly as fuck. it looks like the dlss5 ai screenshot bullshit everyone's been memeing about except we're expected to take it seriously
>>12805295Is it truly the most advanced and powerful system ever made
lmao.
Not a single new franchise in 25+ years. Nintendo have become the new Disney. MILK and MILK and MILK those franchises, capitalist pigs.
>>12805274it's the pixar routesee the Dragon Quest 7 latest demake
>>12805256>FINALLY!!!!now that a remake is coming out the original OOT slop will be deemed ''outdated'' by normies and will no longer be shoved in every ''top video games listsThere already was a remake on 3DS
>>12805309Uhmmm Splatoon and Tomodachi Life????
>>12805053My biggest problem is that the character designs are inconsistent and clash with the realismslop environments. Link looks like an uncanny creepypasta version of himself and everyone else ranges from higher fidelity version of the original to completely different with needless details. Why the fuck did they give the Deku flower enemies tongues and Zelda a big Jew nose, yet keep the townspeople so accurate the original? Everything should be like the latter. In fact, there's a moment in the Direct where they show the Amiibo masks of the original Link and Zelda models and they look better.The environments don't look terrible in isolation but feel cluttered with unnecessary detail and are obscured by the excessive amount of fog. Seriously, why the fuck is there so much dust and fog? It even drops out of chests now like every chest has a block of dry ice in it.
>>12805295nah, everything up until late 7th gen was good. it went to shit with gen 8
>>12805313>There already was a remake on 3DSthat was a ''remaster'' at best, this one here is an actual remake like the the Nu-Resident Evil demakes you never hear many people sucking off the original RE2 as they were doing 10 years ago huh?
>>12805271there's now way this was a switch 2 exclusive the original switch could have run it
>>12805342Anon, there isn't a single visually impressive Soitch 2 game. WiiU's Xenoblade still looks better than anything released on Switch 2.
>>12805063Nintendo hired that man.
Looks fun to me. Really enjoyed the Star Fox remake directly after playing my copy on the 64. Both were fun. Only reason I got a switch was for this game but since everyone else is going digitally only I’ve got a bunch of retro era games for the switch 2 w no internet connection needed and the entire game on the card so I’m pretty happy w it.
>>12805316never heard of those
>>12805053Just saw it. OH NOOH NONO NO NOWHAT THE FUCK
>>12805464what's wrong with it?
>>12805243lmao
>>12805072This. It was OK when it came out but it isn't that good. Definitely low replay value unless you're a nintendie nigger(I actually like Nintendo but like anything good the fandom ruins it). Seriously the game blows and there is so much better stuff from around that era. I think of pic related when I think of OOT. Later homos, gonna go play Quake instead of overrated trash.
>>12805478>gonna go play [overrated trash] instead of overrated trash
>>12805481Lol sure thing bud. Thanks for letting everyone know what shit taste you have, but not surprising for nintendie.>>12805478I went and watched the trailer and while the graphics look pretty amazing for a switch 2 game(I don't care about graphics), everything looks WET. What the hell is up with that?
>>12805490Quake IS overrated shit.
This is why I only play under-discussed games, no one can accuse them of being overrated
>>12805157Link it if you want me to watch it retard.
i'm replaying it right now. just reached goron cityi often get stuck for the dumbest reasons
>>12805161A narrator, like reading a book, could work and would fit the fairy tale vibe.
>>12805230>zoomers prefer the SaturnDelusional
>>12805053The ultimate overrated zoomer game
rumor says the remake is being handled by the same people behind the latest Star Fox game aka pajeets, if true then it would be the final nail in the coffin
>>12805053
I'm sure the game will play fine, but yeah as far as visuals are concerned. yikes dude
WHY IS IT SO FOGGYwhat the fuck
>>12805496Yeah look at everyone agreeing with you lol
>>12805468Nothing really. Typical /v/ hyperbole.
>>12805053Why? They're not deleting the N64 version like Blizzard deleted Warcraft 3. You can still boot your N64/Gamecube/VC copy if you don't like emulation (yes I know those are emulation too but you know what I mean)
>>12805572yeah that's my biggest gripe about the gameit would look so much better without the anti sovl fogand that young Link and young Zelda look really weirdthe tunic is too detailedRuto is a big upgrade however
Random AIslop image from reddit looks better
>>12805157Lmao he's an autistic retard
Can't post loli on blue boards you say, janny? Janny are you okay? Are you okay janny? Janny are you okay? Janny this is A-OK Janny this is OK, this is OK, Janny this is OK, this is OK Janny
>>12805636Made for BHC (big hylian cock)
the entire game looks like one of those gameranx AI genned thumbnails they put on all their "15 PS2 games that still look INCREDIBLE" videos that youtube desperately wants me to click on daily
>>12805641> AI genned thumbnails they put on all their "15 PS2 games that still look INCREDIBLE" videos God i fucking hate those videos
It looks so badOGchads win, as always
>>12805303uncanny shit
>>12805496Its entire color palette is shit, too.
>>12805157>1.5 hr pretentious video essayI miss when this fag just rambled his genuine thoughts instead of trying to force some contrived narrative or theme
>>12805053Ocarina of Time never had any business being put on such a lofty pedestal and being treated as the greatest video game of all time by so many anyway. I will accept that it was an important game for the era but continuing to pretend now for 30 years that it was some flawless masterpiece without equal has always been a joke to anyway that isn't blinded by nostalgia and actually looks at games objectively. It's a good game but can we finally stop pretending it's the pinnacle of the hobby now?
>>12805643eyes don't work like that,like isn't the center part black?
>>12805717You're right. Pupils are supposed to be black because they're the hole that lets light inside your eyeball, where it is absorbed by the layer in the back, which your brain translates into images. When a doctor does an eye exam and shines light into your eye, the pupil contracts but is still black; the center of Link's eyes here should be black and not a darker reflection of what he's looking at. The characters have black pupils in other parts of the video, so at least the modeler knows what eyes are supposed to look like, which leaves me thinking this is a fault of the lighting engine.
>>12805732Someone should alert Nintendo that they'll have to scrap the engine now, it can't do pupils.
>>12805732>>12805738it is 2026, and 3D games is a thing for 30 years now.did they really give the game to some studio filled with incompetent people because they are cheap labor or something?
>>12805643Greasy
>>12805703You articulated these thoughts much more politely and eloquently than I did.
>>12805703What's the pinnacle of the hobby?
>>12805681We get it, you're not good at the game and quit after the 1st episode. It doesn't hold your hand like OOT does so I understand your frustration, but pretending Zelda has anywhere near the same level of replayability is just retarded. Enjoy your polished turd and have fun.
>>12805752Not a gay twink with a crappy wind instrument, that's for sure.
>>12805752Shadow of the Colossus
>>12805703.t
>>12805157Electric Underground is an uber-retard-faggot, who thinks the pinnacle of game design is rail shooter arcade games. You'd have to be a lobotomized nigger to listen to anything that dipshit says.
>>12805230>Sega Saturn has had its historically poor reputation rewritten by the next generation.
>>12805752Probably Doom, if we're being honest.
>>12805549Did jeets do the Starfox remake? Really? What?
>>12805772>>/v/
>>12805053It looks ugly as sin, it disgusts me that I'm born in a generation full of manchild slopeaters that only look forward to the next game to consooooooom because the rest of their lives are shit. The Pokemon fandom used to be the only group like this. Gaming got way too big.
>>12805752NBA Jam
>>12805752SMB3
>>12805754>WeAs in the royal we, because you're the king of retards.
>>12805752Mario 64, objectively
>>12805752Crash 2
>they have been seething for 30 yearsKwab
>>12805752I'd argue Tetris. It's just timeless and will likely still exist in some form even decades from now. It's not bound to one particular console or even one particular game and is instead just a concept of pure gameplay
>>12805760lol
>>12805973
>>12805995Link has fillings. Was there a dentist in OoT?
>>12805752its far too diverse and varied to easily or clearly pick one thing. its retarded to think there would be a clear and easy answer like that. however, it is easy to cut massive swathes of content that clearly have no business being in the conversation. you can easily cut out anything 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th generation.
>>12805053So aside from the voice acting, the remade orchestral soundtrack, and the hyper-realistic graphics, it's set to pretty much be a 1:1 remake in terms of gameplay progression, maps, and dungeon design, right? I have to say I kind of have a problem with this. If it's ultimately still going to play exactly like the 5th-gen game that it is, what's the point of updating all the aesthetics to 9th-gen standards? I wasn't too fond of the 3DS remaster's graphics myself, but at least that still made more sense as a facelift, while still more or less retaining the look of the original. This looks excessive and overindulgent, and just makes me wish they'd have made an entirely new game instead, or if they absolutely had to remake OoT, go the route of a reimagining that would make it more its own thing. It could be they add some new stuff, but if the Starfox 64 remake is anything to go by, I won't hold my breath.
>>12805643I'm not gay and I'm not into shota..... but.
>>12805703Why is there always a dude like you who thinks he's hot shit but is total retard huh. Explain where they make you people
>>12806079And just to clarify, no, I'm not arguing the better thing to have done necessarily is to make it like BotW or like typical AAA FOCUS M slop. I'm saying everything about OoT's design was a product of its era and of the tech limitations of the time, and for me, there's a mismatch when you focus only on updating the graphics and such to modern standards, when ultimately it's probably still going to be a relatively small world with constrained areas and a limited number of places to go and NPCs to interact with. Again, that worked for OoT, but IF it ends up being 1:1 for the most part, well, I just think all that fidelity kind of goes to waste. But we'll see.
>>128060765th gen mogs the fuck out of 4th and 6th gen combined. Only things like highly polished fighting games (Tekken 5, Smash:Melee) and the like are done better in 6th, and for 4th gen only Super Metroid is uniquely better than anything that came after.
>>12806093>Explain where they make you peopleIn a time and a place where the N64 wasn't the only exposure to gaming I had as a child and I don't need to hopelessly cling onto nostalgia to a small handful a games as the basis of my entire identity.
>jump buttonThis above all else has pissed me off. There is no reason to shoehorn in a jump button, the fucking PLATFORMING IS DESIGNED AROUND NOT HAVING ONE.
>>12805053I actually like the stylized hyper-realistic artstyle. Much more palatable than what they did to Starfox and much more interesting than the plain anime-inspired trite we've been subjected to for almost a decade.It also makes me hard so I will buy ten copies.
>>12806131we get it, you dont actually play games.5th gen is for 3d what 2nd and early 3rd gen are for 2d: primitive slop for the medium. highly restricted, dull, lacking.
>>12805053>>12805703>>12806093>>12806135>be American millennial>live in cozy upper-middle class area>soccer mom buys you a Nintendo 64 because The 700 Club told her that PlayStation games have blood>parents can also afford you to buy the entire Rareware library>since you are rich and American, your family are also early adopters of the internet>lo and behold, everyone else online is also a rich American from a Nintendo 64 household>Ocarina group masturbation session ensues>The internet universally agrees that ReDeads are the scariest things ever invented because none of you ever played Silent Hill>Internet gaming culture is built upon the idea that everyone owned a Nintendo 64 and everyone agrees Ocarina of Time is unambiguously the best game ever made>Fast forward 20 years>Euros, Aussies, and working class Americans are now online>You find out that the Nintendo 64 absolutely fucking bombed outside of middle America and nobody gives a fuck about Ocarina of Time>Even in the US the N64 was massively outsold by the PS1, let alone abroad>Persecution complex ensues>"This can't be........did.....did I shit my pants over Wind Waker's graphics for nothing?">Start calling Ocarina underrated due to the fact that people who've played more than 1 fucking game don't think it's the best
>>12806161>oh no, i cant auto jump and platform anymore! i have to actually do it manually!>save me niggerman!git gud, pussy.
>>12805157>You should watch retarded YouTubers ramble their schizo bullshit just like I do because I'm a faggot who need to be told what to think!kill yourself, faggot
Every single time a remake is announced, people start shitting on the original game so hard that it makes you wonder why they're bothering to remake such a fetid piece of trash in the first place. The amount of people I've seen since the trailer dropped claiming that the N64 original is "unplayable" by modern standards is wild.
>>12806206i'm reading all that
>>12806219probably because its something beloved and theres a market for it, and by having flaws there should be obvious room for improvement.also, i've been saying that oot is overrated slop that aged like milk for decades.
>>12806206Shieeeeeet
>>12805053Yeah. Many such cases. Remakes (and remasters) were a mistake.
>>12805053I don't think it's possible to fully appreciate Ocarina of Time unless you played it in 1998.My grandma saw the Wizard of Oz for the first time when it came out, and I remember her talking about how magical it was to see the first full-color movie. The movie itself totally plays up this new dimension (the boring real world was grayscale, color appears when Dorothy gets to Oz). I've seen this movie many times now, I watched it with my kid, I can appreciate it in all kinds of ways, but I'll never experience the shock of seeing color for the first time.It's hard to overstate how much 3D videogames sucked when Ocarina of Time came out. The best one by far was Mario 64, and (no shade) it felt very abstract and surreal. OoT was the first game that really captured the possibility of 3D and felt like it transported you to this other world. And it does this in a very self-aware way, like the Wizard of Oz did with color—Navi serving as the camera focus for Z-targeting, with all these 3-D puzzles that would not be possible in top-down games.
>>12805063/v/ is having another meltdown
>>12805063Star Fox (2026) happened. And then the second remake hit.
>>12805842Wow your feelings are really hurt. Git gud nigga.
>>12806280Stupid AI post. The truth was that the first gen of 3D felt clumsy and uglier. You had almost no control over the camera, textures were blurry like smeared shit. It felt like a downgrade from the fine 2D graphics of the SNES. But it still was Zelda, so you played it and to some extent you enjoyed it.
>>12805053Looked that up. I'm pretty sure all the niggercattle in the YT comment sections asking "remake this old game pls i love jeet shit in my mouth" and asking Nintendo to hire this man are ecstatic right now. It looks like the typical 9th gen remake.
They added a jump button? To be honest I always hated that I couldn't jump whenever I wanted in the original. I'm one of the people that used to get my athleticism in morrowind up by leaping off cliffs constantly and damaging myself. That's actually a good thing they added, I wonder if it will "break" any sequencing or gameplay.
>>12805752The safest answer to give on 4chan is probably Deus Ex.
>>12806206I don't need to read this whole post to know what you're doing. I used to be dumb like you. Fact of the matter is, yes, N64 is assBut also fact of the matter, Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time are the two of the three greatest games of all time, together with FF7The rest is cope by you
>>12806161>>12806208It's truly amazing how the entire identity of OoT was being the first game that played itself. Automated actions, lockon that makes positioning meaningless (and makes it so only one enemy focuses on you, further simplifying combat), Navi, etc etc. Truly the first modern game, I can see how it's influential now, but that's not a positive.
Who is actually developing this? Its probably not first party nintendo right? And its almost definitely not the botw/totk team. Is grezzo doing this?
>>12806546>Who is actually developing this?
>>12806280I think it's possible to recreate it if you really commit to it. If a person were to play through all of Zelda 1, 2, ALttP, and LA in order, and then boot up Ocarina for the first time, I bet it'd feel pretty magical.Most people won't, and that's okay. I don't need everyone else to relive my childhood.
>>12805703They hated him for telling the truth. It’s not even the best Zelda, much less the best game of all time
>>12806079That's my take on every single remake that's come out in the last five years."Why didn't you just use all this technology to make a brand new game?"If you make a new game and it's at least kinda fun, that's +1 fun games in the world.If you make a remake, even if it's so perfect and it's so much better than the original that the only reason a person'd go back to the first version is for the historical value, the number of fun games hasn't changed. You just shifted the audience from one game to the other.And it goes without saying that I'd be really surprised if any remake was even close to being that good.
>>12806587>"Why didn't you just use all this technology to make a brand new game?""Shareholders don't like risk"
>>12805157I did and all he does is nit-picking useless things lol
>>12806587Well we had a chance for Nintendo to finish the n64 trilogy on the DS or 3ds when they remastered them the first time. While I agree I’d rather see them use these resources to make a totally new game but if this does really well and they remake Majoras mask and that does really well maybe they will push ahead w a third game in this style. For good or bad I’ve always been curious what the quest link was on for Zelda when he was interrupted by the skull kid and sucked into Termina I’d love to see them use these as a way to justify making a third in this style. That’s my hope anyway. Companies are so risk averse though so you get remakes like this instead of a brand new game because on OoT especially there is a high floor of automatic sales and this may even be a major system seller where as a brand new game in this style wouldn’t push systems like big name Ocarina of Time would absolutely sell them. Anyway while I agree I think the remake looks awesome.
>>12805703I guess my counterpoint would be, what was a better fantasy adventure game visually and mechanically from that year or prior for that console in your opinion? I'm not saying youre wrong by any means but this was kind of like, the first "big" adventure game for a lot of people, so it does have alot of expectations in terms of a remake. I don't think it doesn't deserve the following it has, but I'll agree it's not on the ZOMG YOU NEVER PLAYED OOT IT'S THE BEST GAME EVER pedestal make for it.
>>12806587I definitely feel that way about that the Resident Evil games. I hate how Capcom is systematically replacing every game in the series and is just making the remakes the default versions now. So many people will never touch the original Playstation games now even though they offer very different and fun experiences to the remakes. The original 4 is starting to get buried now and soon the remake of Code Veronica will be the defacto version of that game too.
>But also fact of the matter, Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time are the two of the three greatest games of all time, together with FF7
Ah yes that time when all the best games of all time released in a span of two years by coincidence. It wasn't that you were 12 back then.
>>12806654For someone that existed solely in the Nintendo ecosystem it definitely would have been an good experience at the time sure but I'd argue Tomb Raider was just as influential and good of a game but it doesn't get put on nearly as high of a pedestal. Fable as well from just a few years later easily deserves as much praise as Zelda.
MILK those franchises Nintendo. You capitalist PIGS.
Why is the conversation always so biased towards consoles when discussing the best games ever anyway? Stuff like Doom and Half Life gets praised sure but there are so many fantastic PC games from the 90's and 2000's that barely ever get mentioned like Diablo 2 and X-Com that are still great to go back and play even now
>>12805053zelda was never goodt. dropped oot 3ds remake halfway through cuz it was boring
>>12806713Tomb Raider was slept on but desu I didn't play it as a kid. Only reason for limiting this argument to one console tho is because most people weren't multi-console homes. I had one N64 in the basement and basically just progressing as the years went on never really a simultaneous generation console.Fable was great tho and I actually consider Fable and Fable 2 to be my favorite "classic" or retro fantasy adventure game that isn't an Elder Scrolls entry. but what the actual was that ending to Fable 2? Seriously it sucked but the rest of the game was fucking great At the end of the day I feel like the only people who put that OoT cartridge up on their shelf as their peak, is honestly kind of the type of person that just has to have THE most expensive thing, or they're in retro gaming for the collection aspect and not necessarily because they even like the games. I don't mind it, it was a great game but I appreciate it when people have more "weird" choices for their best N64 games let alone their goat retro game
>>12806713>Tomb Raider was just as influential and good of a gameI hold the original TR in a high regard and was certainly influential, but for way different reasons. Very different games in which the only similar thing is they were early full 3D entries in gaming that did it well.
>>12806728Blast Corps and Shadows of the Empire were always my favorite N64 games. It gets boring always hearing about Mario and Zelda when discussing this console. Ocarina of Time just never really impressed me that much. I had more fun playing Crusin' USA at the time
>>12806721Gayming journalists (the same one who call you entitled for criticising shit games) didn't play them + the average 90s burger kid didn't have a good PC for gayming/was too tech illiterate.
>>12806713>Tomb Raider was just as influential and good of a game but it doesn't get put on nearly as high of a pedestalTomb Raider is a classic, but Ocarina is definitely a game on a much higher level of ambition than it.Tomb Raider was a pioneer of 3D, which nails its atmosphere of isolation and has some great level design yes, Cistern is definitely better than the Water Temple, no disagreement there. But Tomb Raider is next to OoT a quite primitive and clunky game consisting of a series of levels in a set order with no larger over-world or connective tissue, environment geometry that is limited to grid based structures that are static besides collapsing floors, basic gunplay and limited weapon selection compared to later games in its own series, and no way to gain additional abilities or interact with other characters etc.It's a damn perfectly fine game, but Ocarina pushed things to a whole other level beyond it and is just much more refined in most ways.
>>12806748>But Tomb Raider is next to OoT a quite primitive and clunky gameApples and pizzasYou don't even do any platforming on OoT. Everything is automated. The remake adds a jump button and suddenly OG players are crying. OoT is the first modern game (that's not a positive).
>>12806742I had other games I enjoyed and spent more time on on the N64, but OoT was something I remember being vividly influential. I remember thinking how big Hyrule Field was and just being like "damn this is cool" I think it was when I became adult Link I really appreciated the game more and the story got more interesting and I realized "oh shit this is a long game" and how time interacted with the puzzles. It felt like a deep game.That being said my goat for N64 is none other than Harvest Moon 64. Honorable mentions tho are definitely BassHunter 64 and Big Mountain 2000
>>12806752>You don't even do any platforming on OoT. Tomb Raider execute platforming problems much better than OoT does, that is it's forte and main strength. Both games thankfully share the "jumping automatically happens when you reach the edge" mechanic that makes previsions jumps easier. Bus OoT is hardly a slouch mechanically since you can do super interesting stuff with hover boots, bombchus etc. even if the game never mandates this.To attempt to explain why OoT gets really insane praise though, Tomb Raider is great as it is, but OoT has this quality, subjective as it may be, of really sparking your imagination in particular ways nothing else really does to the same extent, and that's why you hear people resort to using the term 'magical' and things like that. The way the environments are constructed and presented to you emphasizes both their contrast and connection with each other in ways that make everything feel like this greater total reality, and where you're aware of ow things change and differ over various time scales. This is the *thing* that takes it from something the people think of as pretty innovative and awesome, to being the outright, sole GOAT in their minds.Tomb Raider is great at setting up interesting intRA-level structure, but the intER-area structure and presentation of OoT is what sets it apart.
>>12805636looks off.can't put my finger on it, but there is something wrong with her look compared to OG and even 3D.also, everyone looks so shiny like they are sweating non-stop.
>>12806748>consisting of a series of levels in a set orderlaughably irrelevant>no larger over-world or connective tissueoot consists of rooms and doors. the theming creates the illusion of a world and connective tissue. hyrule field is just a large room with a few doors. you go through a "door" and it triggers loading a specific room. just because this specific game lets you systematically traverse the whole house at will does mean that a game consisting of very different level and plot design is "more primitive". you're literally kidding yourself if you think that oot isnt a primitive, clunky MESS. is tomb raider perhaps more "simple"? sure. but that "complexity" isnt really doing oot many favors when all of those added aspects are ALL clunky, dull, or irrelevant tech demos.
>>12806767>really sparking your imagination in particular ways nothing else really does to the same extent, and that's why you hear people resort to using the term 'magical' and things like that.its just people playing it when they were kids (and getting to experience 3d as a new novelty and being optimistic for the potential of the medium) and glazing their nostalgia. all of that "quality" that they drone on and on about is entirely made up bullshit in their own heads.
>>12806283is it day of the week again already?
video games aren't art
Majora Mask is superior
>zoomers are ok with an industry built on remakesSAD
>>12807137They don't have real beliefs, just weird contradictions. They will profess that the old game was never good and at the same time say the remake of said bad game is the best game ever. It's pathetic because you know that deep down they're just trying to prop up their time of decadence by lying.
>>12807089MM3D was already a huge fuckup, don't give them ideas on how to make it worse.
>>12806721>Diablo 2 and X-ComBoth games that were made for young adults, and teens, that most children would have found confusing or off-putting, back when most of us were kids or non-existent.
>>12805636>>12806906im gooning to this
Remember that remakes are only made for media that was shit that needed to be fixed, meaning that OoT is a shit game gg no re
>>12805752StarCraft.
>>12805053nintendo is in panic mode
>>12805126kill yourself fat bald man
>>12805159You're a fat gay man that nobody likes
>>12805752TetrisDoom 2Sonic 3 & KnucklesFinal Fantasy VII
>>128062035th gen has the best 2d games ever
>>128062035th gen games that mog 4th & 6th:Bloody Roar 2, Bushido Blade 2, MK Trilogy, One Piece Grand, Real Bout Dominated, Rival Schools, Tekken 3, Street Fighter Alpha 33D Platform: Ape Escape, Crash 1-3, Spyro 1-3, Tomb Raider 1-4, 3D Action/Adventure: MediEvil 1&2, Threads Fate, MM Legends 1&2, MGS 1+VR, Rising Zan, Tail Concerto, Tron Bonne, Ocarina, Majora, 2D Action/Adventure: Alundra, Brave Prove, Community Pom, Legend Mana, Wonder Trek, Sidescroller: Castlevania Chronicles/Symphony, Goemon Akogingu, Mega Man 8, X4, Oddworld Oddysee/Exodus, Panzer Bandit, Strider 2, Tomba 1/2, Wolf FangAdventure/Narrative: Aconcagua, BLUE legend, LSD, Mizzurna, Policenauts, Septentrion 2, SuikoGaiden 1&2RPG: Azure Dreams, Baroque, Breath Fire 4, Chrono Cross, FF 7/8/9, Koudelka, Lunar 1&2, Linda, PoPoLoCrois 1/2/R, P Laika, Rhapsody, Saga Frontier 2, SMT 1&2, Star Ocean 2, Tales Phantasia & Eternia, Suikoden 1&2, Thousand Arms, Valkyrie Profile, Vagrant Story, Wild Arms 1, XenogearsTactics: Brigandine Grand & Cross, FF Tactics [Lion War], Front Mission 3, Galaxy Yuna, Kartia, Langrisser, Saiyuki, Master Monsters, Nectaris, Tear Ring, Vandal Hearts 1 & 2 [Turns Hack], Vanguard BanditsVehicle: CTR, Firebugs, Jet Moto 2, Micro Machines, RC de Go, Racing Lagoon, Rollcage 1&2, Vigilante 2nd, Wipeout 2&3, Horror: Galerians, Parasite Eve 1/2, Res Evil 1-3, Silent Hill, Rail Shooter: Gamera, Omega Boost, N20, Tempest, Vanark, Panzer DragoonShmup: Darius Gaiden, Einhander, Gekioh, Geppy, Gradius G, Harmful Park, Parodius, Philosoma, R-Type G, Ray crisis/storm,Stahlfeder , Time Bokan Desu, Viewpoint, Zanac Other: Deception 2&3, Devil Dice, Frogger Swampy, Hogs War, Incredible Crisis, I.Q, Kyuutenkai, Mr Domino, OH No, Paranoia Scape, Panic Coaster, Sheep Raider, Parapa, Puzzle Park, Remote Dandy, Speedball, Team Buddies, Trap Gunner, Tetris Plus, Top Shop, Welcome House 1/2,
>>12805225The Star Fox thing annoys me to no end. It’s a shmup from a different perspective. If there could be 10 decent Konami games using the Gradius formula and at least 3-4 great Darius games, then how the fuck has Nintendo thought there could only be the first two SNES games and 64 and run so low on new ideas that they have to resort to gimmicks or endless remakes of 64 for the rest of time?Like just come up with a literal 30 minute Saturday morning cartoon plot vaguely inspired by Star Wars, dream up a couple dozen ideas for planets and one little hook for each to make them interesting, and boom, instant iterative sequel that’s probably at least halfway decent.
how did they gentrify oot what the fuck IS this?Is this how they need to make game for Z'alphas?who is this for? is this just an excuse to milk the last they can from OOT?
>>12807980Supposedly it's due to Miyamoto being adamant about sequels not just being more of the same. New games in a series need to have some central innovation (read: gimmick) for a sequel to be warranted*.*NOTE: Does not apply to Mario or Zelda because of course.
>>12807968>Threads of Fate>Megaman Legends>Deception 3>Tetris PlusTruly, you are my nigga of the highest caliber. Either that, or you're my sister and we had the same game library. Either way, you're a cool dude, Anon. I wish ToF would have gotten a sequel. Or that MML3 would have gotten made. Goddamn cliffhangers, man.
>>12807989Maybe the pc port of 64 will mature to the point that modders can make conversion mods or new levels. I noticed xvasynth has the voice cast of Star Fox 64 available in its library.
>>12807968there is a difference between "games that i enjoyed back then" and "games that actually hold up". ALSO just because a game might hold up a little better than the rest of the slop, doesnt mean that it isnt surpassed by something else.
>>12807954the 2d ones are pretty much the only ones worth mentioning, but there are still better 2d games. anyone trying to claim a 5th gen 3d game is objectively retarded.
>>12807989>*NOTE: Does not apply to Mario or Zelda because of course.are you retarded? mario and zelda continuously have new gimmicks. sunshine has fludd, galaxy has gravity shit, odyssey has cappy and mass collection, the 2d ones all have different power ups and stuff. zelda 1 is whatever, zelda 2 is 2d platformer, lttp is top down again, but with actual items and ingame story and quests, la is the same but handheld, oot is the same but 3d, mm has masks and time shit, ww has sailing shit, tp has wolf shit, ss has waggle shit, lbw has renting items and wall walking, etc etc. almost no 2 games are truly alike.
>>12808019New Super Mario Bros seriesGalaxy 1&23D Land and 3D WorldMario bros 1 and Mario bros 2 jpn SMB3 and SMWOoT and Majoras MaskBOTW and TotK Links awakening, both oracles games, and minish cap, could maybe add alttp and albw to this tooBut no, Star Fox 64, despite having the mission structure of Darius and the plot of a Saturday morning cartoon, is a one of a kind thing that you could never ever make a sequel to.
>>12805053It's a common misconception but companies can't actually "ruin" something old by releasing something new. The old game is still out there, ready to be played in its authentic form. It's like saying the new Star Wars movies can ruin the old ones, or how some gay Amazon series can ruiin Tolkien.None of it's true. All these idiotic companies can do is ruin their own profit margins. It seems inevitable that the OOT remake will be done partially with AI, that's the trend. It could be a disaster. Or it might be OK. But companies who subsist mainly on remakes and their traditional, and often dated IP? They are at risk of stagnation, if all you do is chubby plumbers, little hamsters, and cutesy Zeldas you might have a problem if tastes shift or people lose interest. Where's fuckin' Droopy Dog or The Pink Panther now? Those niggers were HUGE back in the day.
>>12808046you literally listed things that i explained what the gimmick is. while yes, there are SOME simple sequels (like galaxy 2) they are the exception against the lengthy list of gimmick games. as for specifics>nsmbnot familiar with them to be honest with you. >galaxynoted above>3d l/wnot familiar>mario 1 and 2its pretty similar, but they have new things like bad warps, poison mushroom, and luigi controlling differently.>3 and worldcomplete aesthetic change, a lot of different mechanics. not really one precise gimmick exactly, other than i guess yoshi. >oot/mmas i said before, mask and time shit. >botw/totkalmost identical in core gameplay, but the powers are completely different. the fuse and building mechanic is wildly different and a major gimmick focus. >oraclesa pair>minish capnot familiar with it honestly. most likely you're forgetting some core gimmick/focus, given the franchise's list and how you've missed so many already.>la/lttp/lbwlink's awakening is just lttp but handheld. thats it. thats the gimmick. lbw, as i said before, has item renting and wall walking.>star foxoh i agree, its fucking weird how they have to just keep putting out the same one rail shooter, never changing anything but visuals. adventure doesnt count because it was literally another game (and still is that game) before they slapped fox into it, making it a star fox game in character cosmetic only.
>>12805053People will forget that the remake even happened in five years, maybe less. Nobody ever talks about Ocarina 3D except to mention that the gyro aiming and quick-switching the boots in the water temple was good. Completely forgotten. This is what happens to every remake that isn't RE.
>>12805063AI pajeetslop remake
>>12808014zoom zoomthese haven't been surpassed. take the platformers for example, the 6th gen ones were all terribleyou haven't even played these games, you saw them on YouTube
>>12807985gentrify?shut the fuck up r_ddit parasite
>>12807980star fox isn't good, that's why.
>>12808056>but companies can't actually "ruin" something old by releasing something new.Oh sweet summer child, it can happen. They can delist the old game, make it impossible to play it (legally) unless you already have it, if the new game shares the same name then it becomes increasingly difficult to find info and art of the old game, you can be talking to someone about the game and he starts spouting something that doesn't make apparent sense until you realize he's talking about the remake. It can definitely damage the old game if the remake becomes popular enough, it has happened with RE games already IMO.
>>12808556>delist the old gamedelist from what ?? the game exists on cartridges and ROMs; no one can take that back
>>12808573Digital stores, thick cunt. Yeah you can buy it used at $300 but we know you shouldn't pay that for a game.>But I have it, and I already had breakfast this morningWhich is why I said "unless you already have it"
>>12805342at 240p 20fps only lol
>>12808578>what is a rom>what is emulationthick cunt, huh?
>>12808645Good thing I said>(legally) in >>12808556you thick cunt. Yes, we know how to pirate, but most people under 30 are scared of piracy or see it as deeply immoral, and as the older generation eventually step out of discussing the game entirely, the discourse gets dominated by the newest remake. Anyway, I won't bother with you anymore, it's very clear you're another pretendingnottounderstandthusmakingdiscourseimpossible fag and I ran out of patience for such tactics long ago. Enjoy the last (You).
>>12805378Lol, i get the reference. Genius, dude. I'm gonna use that hope you don't mind. Doubt anyone will understand though xd
>>12807954There are 2D indie games made within the last 4 years that dwarf the entire spectrum of 2D slop released in the 5th gen.
>>12805053Just ignore the remake. Can't you do that? Btw /vr/bros, we won. I go to /v/ to laugh at all the FOMOs.
>>12806293This. Not to mention how ridiculously expensive this game and system were at the time. You didn't have an N64 unless you or your parents were rich.
>>12808658>pretendingnottounderstandthusmakingdiscourseimpossiblenta. you might as well call these people leftists, because that's what they do all the time anyway.
>>12805065That's even worse, everyone will just assume the "faithful remake" is a substitute for the original. Just give the real game to the newer generations and let them play it. They aren't all that retarded, and the ones who are are better off staying away anyway.
>>12808556>it's a long term plan to slowly replace all the mediaWhatever future was supposed to enable this isn't coming, at least in the US, any more. It sounds nearly impossible on the face of it, actually. Just let le old games age out until they don't exist and forgotten? Gamers won't allow it.Remakes can't damage the old game, though. Maybe people don't play the old game as much but the old game sits proud and intact, damage-free. Even if ignored or the discourse shifts to a remake.
>>12805053>The legacy of X is tarnished forever.Is this even possible, unless you're clinically autistic? It's not like a shitty remake ruins experiencing the original. I fucking hate Botw and whatever that other game was called, but that will never stop me from enjoying the older games in the series.
>>12808951One good example is Marathon, I recently learned that they made a new Marathon game, but it doesn't seem to be at all the same as old Marathon. But nu-Marathon like most modern games will have its server shut down some day and nobody will play it. OTOH the original Marathon for Mac (and there's a new engine for playing on new computers) will live on as a spooky haunted AI-centered fiction masterpiece and people will play it decades from now either under emulation or with the new engine.Right now when people talk about Marathon on here, it's not about Marathon, but nu-Marathon and that will fade as the game loses players, eventually the shills will move on too.
>>12805053I foresee everyone considering the remake the only version to play within ten years.
>>12805053And that's a good thing, fuck this overrated slop.
>>12808986Hasn't even happened with SMB or the original LoZ.
>>12808340says the guy that clearly doesnt actually play games and got his list from youtube and reddit.
>>12808130We’re splitting hairs to an absurd degree here. Every sequel outside of a Ubisoft far cry / asscreed or cod (and even then there’s probably a lot of exceptions) is a sequel that justifies itself by brimming with innovation according to your standards. Star Fox 64 is 30 years old, I’d hope the difference between a current year sequel and it would at least be as much as Super Mario World is to SMB3. I just don’t get why they insist that making a normal sequel is impossible and the only logical progression for the series is to pivot to a new genre entirely or add mechanics that make the game twice as complicated and almost unrecognizable.
>>12805285The more time goes on the more convinced I am that zoomers are having a collective Peter Pan complex-fueled melty over nothing being good enough to make them feel like a kid again and are bereft of the self-awareness to realize this is a "them" problem. So we get to put up with a a bunch of porch commentary that shapes the discourse as everyone tries to epically meme the hardest or even worse, sincerely think that their being whiny drama queens online will genuinely fix games instead of just making circles like these known as "that place with those fucking retards that make it impossible to talk about anything."
just stick with ship of harkinian and it will be fine
>>12808924>Remakes can't damage the old game, except in the ways I just showed how they can damage the old game.Not very convincing, buddy.
>>12809715You just talked about cultural bottom feeding garbage like Youtube videos. No amount of Youtube nonsense can actually harm the old game, you're confusing an object for discourse around the object.
>>12805053to the contrary Oot will forever be remembered as that one kick ass Switch 2 game
>Nintendo refused to do a gritty realismslop remake and instead they went with japanese puppet doll aestheticsJapanese will love it, but the west will be divided, westerners aren't fond of cute stuff.It will be big with western women though.
>>12811115>do a gritty realismslopBut the remake is already pushing for realismslop
>>12811236Nah it still has that fairy tale look to it. It just looks very lush with impressive graphics but it's not realism.Westerners want OoT to be GTA: Tolkien Edition.
>>12811242>with impressive graphics but it's not realism.The water splash looks more realistic than most games aiming for itAlso OoT already had an artstyle, they changing it sounds like they are rewriting history
>>12811115>It will be big with western women thoughYou are onions out of touch with reality. Have you ever even spoken to a woman irl? Only weak effeminate men(troons) care about muh zelda
>>12811246They can't erase the original and in fact it's already available on their online store for switch 2 or whatever, so no. This is neither replacing, nor erasing the original. >>12811247Maybe I exagherated saying it will be big with all women, I mean with women who like video games.>troonsEasy on that projection anon
>>12811251>This is neither replacing, nor erasing the originalConsidering there's already a bunch of people saying the original looked like shit and was "crytpic" when it came to guiding the player, nah
>>12811254Considering that a lot of people on the internet give opinions because it's free I wouldn't worry about it.I became immune to "good bad" shitposting style
>>12811258>I wouldn't worry about it.You worry a lot about our opinions tho
>>12811261>our?Also no I never said I care, I just came to point out how Nintendo went for the dollfie look instead of following what westerners want. I don't care if people actually end up liking it or not. It's Zelda, it will sell.
>>12811263>instead of following what westerners want.Zelda has been sucking up to what westerners want ever since Wind Waker got thrashed
>>12811265No?Even if you want to consider TP "what westerners wanted", Nintendo made sequels to WW and not TP.SS and BotW/TotK also have cel shadong aesthetics and Link still isn't a gritty guy.
>>12807169>make it even brighter and more kid friendly! And add an item that rewinds the time by 1 hour when it's used, we don't want our new players to get stressed out!
>>12811292The clock on the bottom of the screen not being a semi circle is just devilish.How the fuck did they scree MM so bad when OoT3D was actually really good (cherrypicked lighting collages aside)
>>12811242>with impressive graphicsfor an early PS3 game
>>12805309I can imagine how all those executive board meetings go.>"uhhhhh, what do we do nao?">"I KNOW, we'll remake Zelda AGAIN!"
Twilight Princess is the real Ocarina of Time Remake
>>12811295I prefer it being a progress bar, it helps me readily see the big picture of where I am on the cycle.
>>12811254Ocarina of Time, like it or not, has reached a next level legendary status. Nothing will ever replace the original. At least not while the generation raised on it is alive and by the time they all die off there will be more time between the og release and the remake, and that generation passing on. If there was one game that can be remade a thousand times and the og still be loved it’s Ocarina.
>>12811725>If there was one game that can be remade a thousand times and the og still be loved it’s Ocarina.Ok your bait got too obvious with this one
>>12811637Yeah I don't really think wither Ocarina remake or Gta6 look that different from 7th gen but whatever, normies call it good graphics is what I mean.I prefer 2D (and good actual retro 2D from the 80s and 90s, not modern indieslop)
>>12805053Nah
The remake isn’t even out yet
>>12805053No one is taking this game away, the 3ds remake didn't kill the game, its still easily accessible in this incarnation.
>>12805053I think Nintendo panicked once OoT N64 version was de-compiled to PC. It's capable of mods and fixes that weren't possible with emulation before. The fan UE5 remakes of this game was just inspiration for the direction to take. Smash Bros Melee and Soul Calibur 2 was the true intention for the art style for Link in OoT. Pic related is Ai but it's very close to how he should be portrayed.
>>12812669And Nintendo should not be afraid to keep some trends for the time period the game was set in. For example, the Hylian shield. It was not a rare shield but one you can freely purchase from the store because it was more of a common shield for the time used by the royal guards and soldiers. The real prize/treasure was the Gerudo mirror shield.
>>12811263>instead of following what westerners wantThe last two Zelda games are just ubislop open world games complete with pointless collectibles and copy-pasted activities(shrines)
>>12812697Now imagine all that with a gritty main character. The fact Zelda can succeed in the west despite Link not looking like a though guy is the anomaly.
>>12812729>despite Link not looking like a though guy is the anomaly.Astro Bot not only was a success commercially but also won game of the year and that game was cutesy and a platformer, stop drinking the Nintendo koolaid
>>12812740>stop drinking the Nintendo koolaidHuh?Aren't the Astro Bot games the actual Nintendo fans? I never said anything about being a Nintendo fan myself (more of a Sega guy if anything). Just saying how Nintendo refused to design Link in the way westerners want.Yeah not all characters have to be gritty, Silksong was also popular, but Zelda in particular is a kind of game westerns have been wanting gritty design since forever.
>>12812752>Aren't the Astro Bot games the actual Nintendo fans?wut> but Zelda in particular is a kind of game westerns have been wanting gritty design since forever.So does Nintendo, MM and TP are desperately trying to be as dark as possible
>>12812760>wutI meant to say developers>So does Nintendo, MM and TP are desperately trying to be as dark as possibleI'm nit talking about themes, atmosphere etc, but straight up character design.Nintendo always double down on remaining cute or at least not 100% western-gritty with Zelda.
>>12812764>Nintendo always double down on remaining cute or at least not 100% western-gritty with Zelda.what is western gritty to you? just making everything brown and bloom? because if that's your definition then TP already is as western as it comes
>>12812767Dude you even reading? CHARACTER design. TP characters are still very cute and märchen-like. People want something like a Dark Souls character for example, a game famously inspired by western fantasy like Zelda, but with even more western sensibilities down to the way the character models look. Zelda still uses anime eyes.
>>12812772>TP characters are still very cute and märchen-like> People want something like a Dark Souls character for exampleIf you told me this guy came from a Souls game I'd believe it
>>12812772Why do people want Zelda to be something it's not?It's like everybody's takeaway from Ocarina of Time is "I really fucking LOVE Tolkien" and nothing else
>>12812775Sure, re-deads too. But let's see something you see more often like Link himself.>>12812776It's a western caprice.
>>12812776>Why do people want Zelda to be something it's not?the audience is not the one who decided the radical shift from WW to TP, and TP to SS, and SS to BOTW/TOTK
>>12812782>But let's see something you see more often like Link himself.Hi Fi Rush was very popular in the west and the character design is neither anime nor "western gritty"
>>12812791>Hi Fi Rush was very popular in the west...really? First time I'm hearing about it.Anyway I'm not saying westerners don't EVER use more cartoon styles, just that for a game like Zelda specifically they want gritty realism. Nintendo is bringing realism but not grittiness, they stull keep a quota of japanese cute/whim that fucks with western cognition
>>12812791So popular they closed the studio
>>12812797>...really? First time I'm hearing about it.>90 on MC>3M copies sold for a new IPSo now we're discussing in bad faith>just that for a game like Zelda specifically they want gritty realism.Who is saying that, Nintendo is the only one who wants to push grittiness on the series>but the character designWith this mentality I'd be inclined to think you believe Happy Tree Friends is actually a kid's show
>>12805157>watch the video from the guy that lies about games and can't play anything other than shmupsLMAO
>>12812810Not bad faith dude, legit never heard of it. Good for them I guess.>>12812810>With this mentalityIt's not my mentality, I'm just saying people in the west want a gritty design for Link and Nintendo refuses, independently of at the same time having gruesome enemy design of bleak atmosphere.Japanese media is more likely to have a mix of gruesome/mature themes mixed with cute designs (look at Osamu Tezuka stuff), the west is more about either being cute/childish or adult/gritty, stuff like HTF or South Park enters the comedy parody spectrum
>>12812835>I'm just saying people in the west want a gritty design for LinkI still dont see these people who want a gritty design for Link, at best you have people who were upset by Toon Link but that's because they were expecting something more akin to the promo video for the GC
>>12812837>still dont see these people who want a gritty design for LinkThey've been there since the 2000s at the very least.
>>12812839Where, the best proof is the one I mentioned which was something more enclosed with the fandom itself and not the west
