>>12849084
>When does this get good?

Nobody unironically thinks BOF1 and 2 are good.

Why aren't you using magic to heal and then resting or using some fountain/pond/whatever to resotre mp? but anyway later in the game the money issue won't be such a problem except when you need to upgrade equipment. There are also probably some early game exploits to make (at the time) good money with fishing and hunting but it's been a long time for me so I can't remember the specifics. The early game in both BOF1 & 2 kind of sucks compared to 3 and 4, in any case

>>12849089
2 is the best one. You must have no concept of the series at all if you can't tell how divided it is. To me 4 sucks absolute ass and even I know there's people that like it. Because I don't live under a rock like you.

>>12849084
BoF2... it has it's moments, but it is a slog.

High encounter rate. Lots pressing X to attack. Plot is meandering and not well written. Like how do I explain to the uninitiated?

... like... so obviously Bow has been incriminated by the thief girl's actions, yeah? Ostensibly Ryu is off on a grand adventure to go clear Bow's name. Totally cool. Does Ryu ever actually go on an adventure to save Bow? Do any investigating or tracking of the thief...? No, not really. I mean you could intuit that when Ryu hears rumors of a super attractive female fighter at the Coliseum that perhaps he gets the idea that this mysterious fighter might be the thief, hence why he bothers to take Baba/Bunyan's place... but what would give Ryu that impression?
The thief wasn't shown to be a master combatant. She just got the goods before Bow did and the guards assumed he did it. And why would a professional thief want to be in a situation with all eyes on her in the middle of a spectacle bloodsport even if she were great at hand-to-hand combat?

(cont.)

>>12849084
Doesn't make a lick of damned sense. In a better written plot, there would've been more incriminating red herrings Ryu would've discovered that would lead him to believe that Katt is the thief he's looking for. But that was JRPG writing back in the 90s, y'know?

And Ryu meanders around, meets a whole colorful cast of allies and NPCs, eventually stumbles upon a kingdom that's captured the thief for him, by sheer happenstance (cuz Ryu and Co. were getting absolutely nowhere and fast with this little quest of theirs) and after doing anything other than attempting to simply take custody of the thief... eventually the kingdom hands Ryu the thief for his great assistance. Doesn't feel earned.

(cont.)

Next big quest is to investigate sightings of a huge, ferocious, monster near Gate that is reminiscent of that one big monster that attacked Ryu and Bow when they were children. So off you go... and immediately lose track of that tangent to do a whole lot of other things that is not that monster hunt.

Much later, toward the bitter end of the game, well after the player has forgotten all about why they even left Ranger HQ at all... the game just puts big monster in front of you. Again... it's not like Ryu hunted him down, gathered clues... or anything. The game just throws the monster in your path. It's just not satisfying.

(cont.)

>>12849084
Other faults?

The game has a little NTR. An ally of yours has a little crush on you, or can depending, and it doesn't matter at all. You're challenged to an unwinnable fight and are forced to lose, and that ally of yours effectively chooses them. Them, this guy who challenged you to a fight? He's a chad and already has a main squeeze, they're acting as a spy for him. He ditches your ally for the main squeeze.

So you get cucked a bit.

Hmm... oh yeah! So there's this event in the game where a character chooses to lose any semblance of their humanity to become the Great Bird. How that plays out is a bit of a tear jerker, as the person who becomes a Great Bird can never transform back. Cool.

... their sacrifice is almost immediately annulled because about the time you get them as a "airship" to sail the skies? Demons attack pretty soon after that and they can no longer be of use to you, so you've got to use other means of flying transportation thus undermining their great sacrifice as MEANINGLESS. Granted, they used the bird to get they guy they needed for the other flying means of travel, but christ, they couldn't have taken a ship? They *had* to sacrifice someone to transform into the Great Bird and then render them immediately obsolete? Ouch, man. Fucking ouch. That character got played so dirty.

... BoF 2 has one of the worst implementations of the dragon transformation. You don't even transform so much as you "summon" a dragon breath attack, and that always depletes Ryu's AP to 0 after every use. Lame.


Hmm... good things about the game?
It feels sick when you get the treasure chest at the fishing game, fusions are cool, Sten's personal quest bit of the game is pretty awesome actually, figuring out what happened to your Dad and Sister is pretty neat, and the game paved the way for BoF3 which is better in pretty much every single way.

Man what are you talking about BoF2 is amazing. Sure the fights are often and it gets a bit repetitive but the music makes up for it, especially after it starts playing the more badass tunes.
stay inside inns and don't buy herbs. go farm weaker enemies, jellys or flys until you build up a couple of levels and some money. do this over the game in every new region, go back to the previous region and farm a few levels, make $$$ and move forth afterwards.

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>>12849084
There's a reason all BoF2 threads devolve into Katt coomer posting, the game itself sucks. Endless grind.

>>12849220
>The game has a little NTR. An ally of yours has a little crush on you, or can depending, and it doesn't matter at all. You're challenged to an unwinnable fight and are forced to lose, and that ally of yours effectively chooses them. Them, this guy who challenged you to a fight? He's a chad and already has a main squeeze, they're acting as a spy for him. He ditches your ally for the main squeeze.
>So you get cucked a bit.
you have brainworms if you genuinely think that this is "ntr" or "cucking" in ANY capacity.

>>12849414
>your girl leaving you for your worst enemy and him pumping and dumping her isnt NTR

>>12849084
This game is punishing in battles because unlike other jarpigs there is virtually no game over. You get transported back to the last dragon statue with all progress intact of you die. You only pay gold.
Still you really shouldn't be struggling with herbs you are doing something wrong.

>>12849654
Hey buddy, the FF8 thread is two pages down.

>>12849350
You realize you just described the basic strategy for every JRPG ever made, right?

>>12849414
Tiga, literally, confesses his love for Katt and demands to marry her. The only way to avoid the fight is to tell Tiga not only you're just friends with Katt but that you're a-okay with Tiga marrying Katt too. Any response resembling a "no" to his advances causes a duel between you an Tiga and Tiga has infinite HP. Even if you cheat to win, the game proceeds as if you lost. Katt then sincerely considers Tiga's proposal, and the only reason why this emasculation ritual gets cut off is because because Tiga is already in a relationship with Claris and the two die.

Cope harder, lol

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>>12849091
The problem is these motherfuckers right here. Any way you slice it HP needs to be paid for in coins, either via herbs or resting at an Inn. The problem is these pieces of shit are more than capable of doing more damage to you than can be recovered in the measly 5 coins they drop, which means if you are unlucky enough to fight two of them, which happens all the time, you will lose money fighting them. Now that I'm level 9 and have the suede armor it's not a big deal anymore, but I had to grind in the starting area with the fast forward button on just to be able to say afloat just because of these fucking dickheads

>fishing
I tried it and it sucks.
>fountains
don't feel like trecking all the way back to the mountain
>hunting
Don't have the dogman anymore so I can't do it.

I'm going to give this game another 2 hours max and then I'm putting it down.

>>12850570
>I'm going to give this game another 2 hours max and then I'm putting it down.
ngmi

>>12850259
Okay but Nina was always the better girl so who cares?

>>12850893
Yes. Snake Nina is p'good

>>12850570
I first played this on GBA (where you can dash, exp is doubled, money is doubled or tripled, something like that) and I loved it. But I think the GBA changes are exactly why I was able to love it.

>>12849654
"an ally of yours" is not the same thing as "your girl", clown.
>>12850259
>other guy confesses his love for girl
nothing resembling cucking yet.
>tell him you're just friends, or else you fight
literally just a dialogue option, nothing resembling cucking yet.
>lose a fight
not cucking.
>girl "considers his proposal"
not cucking. also we've already established that she isnt even "your girl", just an ally. also you guys left out the fact that they're both woren, so continuing the species is a logical thought.
>tiga is already in a relationship
it seems that claris comes out to confess her feelings, and tiga realizes that he actually likes claris. the only reason tiga was so set on katt is because they're both woren. no "cucking" took place. they literally dont even hook up.


if you view any part of this as ntr or getting cucked, you have brainworms. hell, you probably think that somebody else getting the last donut before you means that you got "cucked" by them. you probably think that somebody else making it through the yellow light, but you had to stop at the red means that you got "cucked" by them. you have brainworms.

>>12851417
>worms. hell, you probably think that somebody else getting the last donut before you means that you got "cucked" by them. you probably think that somebody else making it through the yellow light, but you had to stop at the red means that you got "cucked" by them. yo
t. nodonutz redlight cuck coping

>>12851417
Lmao.

Strawman:
>other guy confesses his love for girl
No. Other guy already has a lover. Moreover, not only is Katt a legitimate romantic interest, but we've been looking at dat ass for an entire game at this point.
Further, the NTR that happens between Tiga and Katt is 100% meaningless.

>nothing resembling cucking yet.
Fair, at this juncture. Not *yet*.

Strawman:
>tell him you're just friends, or else you fight
No. Tiga asks two questions. If you say that Katt is more than just a friend, then the fight between Ryu and Tiga happens automatically. If you answer that Katt is just a friend, Tiga will follow that up asking if you care whether or not he marries Katt. You also have to agree to Katt being married to Tiga to bypass the fight.

>literally just a dialogue option, nothing resembling cucking yet.
Either you give her up entirely or dual for her affections. This absolutely sets up the framework for the NTR.

Strawman:
>lose a fight
No. You're *forced* to lose to Tiga because the game cheats and gives him infinite HP. Even if you counter-cheat to win the game proceeds as if you lost anyway.

>not cucking.
It is NTR to be forced to lose a duel for the affections of a love interest.

Strawman:
>girl "considers his proposal"
... by staying with Tiga and asking Ryu if he's mad about it. How she promised to stand by his side when you assault the church.

>not cucking.
It's NTR.

>also we've already established that she isnt even "your girl", just an ally.
And the way this is established is that Tiga whoops your ass in a duel for her affections that you were forced to lose.

>also you guys left out the fact that they're both woren, so continuing the species is a logical thought.
Claris isn't a woren.

(cont.)

>>12851417
>tiga is already in a relationship
Yep. Perhaps a situationship, but it's implied he's tapping that.

>it seems that claris comes out to confess her feelings, and tiga realizes that he actually likes claris.
Give me a break, dude. What drives Tiga out of hiding in the crowd is the accusation made against him that he only viewed Claris as a "subordinate."

>the only reason tiga was so set on katt is because they're both woren.
Which is entirely irrelevant in every direction you slice it:

A) This isn't a situation where the woren are going extinct. Tiga never impregnates Katt and Rei exists in the far flung future meaning the woren have survived. There's anywhere from centuries to thousands of years between BoF2 and BoF3. So there's nowhere for this narrative thread to go.

B) Again, Claris is not a woren. So, clearly, it really didn't matter what the race of the puss that Tiga was going after.

C) At no point is any of this NTR crap relevant to the plot. It's not like only Tiga and Katt together could pull the sword of legend for Ryu to wield or some shit. If the NTR and duel for Katt were cut out of the game entirely the plot would still chug along like nothing happened, the only purpose it servers is for the sake of NTR.

(cont.)

>>12851417
>no "cucking" took place.
I said you get cucked "a bit."

>they literally dont even hook up.
I said there was "a little NTR."

The trajectory was for Tiga to totally scoop her up, but Claris and his death cut it off prematurely.

>if you view any part of this as ntr or getting cucked, you have brainworms.
Maybe you're the one with the brainworms, you keep mentioning them so damn much, fuck bro.

>hell, you probably think that somebody else getting the last donut before you means that you got "cucked" by them.
Well that all depends since this is supposed to be a fair comparison, right?
Is this a last donut in which I could freely and easily walk up to and take should I wish? Or is this a situation in which I'm told I'm able to take the last donut and it appears at a glance that I could but as it turns out this arrangement is rigged and no matter what I do I'm never able to claim the last donut?

>you probably think that somebody else making it through the yellow light, but you had to stop at the red means that you got "cucked" by them. you have brainworms.
Well that all depends, since this is supposed to be comparable, right?
Are we in separate lanes, he's just more ahead of me, and the light timing is just what it was? Or was he looking at his phone, not paying attention, in front of me in the turn lane, I honk to get his attention, he flips me off and waits for a bit, the light turns yellow, he shoots off, and I'm left at the red waiting for the next cycle?

>>12851490
I just read your entire post. I don't even know why I did that, usually anytime there is a sign of a poltard or of a coomer I just ignore the post. Anyway, I read the entire post in full zombie mode, then at the end I paused in front of my screen for 2 seconds and finally I shouted
>YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED MAN!

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>>12851496
You dropped this, anon. Looks NTR-less, too

I wish this retard would stop trying to force his cuck fetish onto Breath of Fire every time it has a thread.

>>12851490
>>12851489
>>12851486
topkek. bodied that bozo.

This thread made me take this game off my to play list and I love Gen 4/5 RPGs

>>12851956
NTR is based. self-insert as the bull. OH WAIT YOU CANT BECAUSE THE GAME TELLS YOU WHO TO CONTROL

>>12851957
Honestly I didn’t get to the back and forth about the NTR or lack there of when I wrote that, I was still talking about the meandering plot and the early game grind

>>12851964
A lot of old jrpgs aren't worth it I feel, I liked the genre as a teenagee but only find myself able to revisit a few titles nowadays.

>>12851486
>Other guys already has a lover
he doesnt already have a lover though. he has a working relationship with a female, who then confesses her feelings and he realizes he actually deeply cares about her, more than his quick thirst to repopulate the woren.
>the ntr that happens is meaningless
doubly so because no ntr occurred.
>you give her up entirely or dual for her affections
duel*. its still just dialogue options. no cucking occurs.
>b-b-b-but the fight is scripted!
literally does not matter, lmao
>It is NTR to be forced to lose a duel for the affections of a love interest.
and that mentality is proof you have brainworms.
>its ntr
is ntr just "you didnt get what you want" in fewer words and with a sexual shame tacked on? what a bizarre way to view the world, to perpetually tack on unnecessary nonsense where it doesnt exist. brainworms.
>she's not your girl because you lost
she wasnt your girl to begin with. you're just a loser, not a cuck.
>claris isnt a woren
no shit, tiga and katt are. its literally the basis for tiga's obsession.
>its irrelevant
its a motivator for katt too.
>this isnt a situation where the woren are going extinct
yes it is. they are extremely rare and their clan is almost entirely destroyed. just because a few survivors succeeded in keeping it going doesnt mean that these arent the only 2 woren in the game. "Throughout the game, Katt believes she is essentially the last or only one of her kind until she encounters the male Woren resistance leader, Tiga"
>B
you're failing to recognize the actual context of the relationship tiga has with claris. he gets excited for katt because woren, but then realizes that he cares more for claris on a personal level and that its more important.

>>12851489
>C
at no point is any of this cucking. period. so unless ntr means "the contrived/forced idea that something is cuckoldry even when it isnt" there is no ntr. additionally, the ADAMANT insistence of viewing anything and everything through an ntr lens (is this cucking? is this cucking?) is proof of brainworms. as for plot relevance, yes the core plot would still happen the same, but the whole thing is about what love even is. katt LITERALLY tells tiga she doesnt feel love for him and tiga doesnt understand. it isnt until claris confesses her feelings that he understands, and then chooses claris. you're literally just that jap guy running through the streets screaming SEEEEEEEX and focusing on make-believe ntr instead of whats actually happening and why.
>"a little ntr"
>trajectory
so it didnt happen. the only cucking that happened was in your own brain due to brainworms jumping to conclusions that didnt happen.
>arrangements
literally doesnt matter, lmao. the fact that you think it does is proof of how retarded and hopeless you are. in any and all of those situations, you were not cucked.
>>12851957
brainworms.

Everything in between the high story moments in Breath of Fire II is bland. Anything to do with the start of the games cave monster is cool, but everything else is just bland. The NES Dragon Quest games are more fun.

>>12851624
oh, this isnt an isolated thing? this guy really is just hyper fixated on this giant nothingburger, imposing his weird ntr fetish where it doesnt belong, and and has to shout it in every thread? all the more proof of brainrot and brainworms.

>>12851957
is this you? >>>748837896

>>12852348
I definitely feel that. Plus being able to retroactively go back and play all the 9/10’s and 10/10’s you missed as a kid means the decent ones fall by the wayside.

>>12852391
>>12852393
>brainworms, brainworms, brainworms... etc.
Show us on the doll where the brainworms touched you bro. Are the brainworms in the room with us right now? Did the brainworms cause you to write the revisionist BS here >>12851417? Are the brainworms causing you to continue to write your revisionist BS now?

>he doesnt already have a lover though. he has a working relationship with a female, who then confesses her feelings and he realizes he actually deeply cares about her, more than his quick thirst to repopulate the woren.
You didn't play the game, you're just aping off what I type, and it's pathetic.

>duel*.
Thank you.

>its still just dialogue options.
Reductionist BS. No argument against the forced loss.

>and that mentality is proof you have brainworms.
Says the guy that is just repeating himself with no argument, using revisionist and reductionist BS I might add.

>is ntr just "you didnt get what you want" in fewer words and with a sexual shame tacked on?
Clearly not, because otherwise I would've said as much. You have no ground to stand on and so you're trying to float strawman after strawman my way hoping that I'll take it up so you'll have *something,* *anything,* to justify your nonsense.

>she wasnt your girl to begin with. you're just a loser, not a cuck.
It doesn't even make sense for the lore. The dragon clan is one of the most powerful clans in the entire setting. I mean at least when Balio and Sunder beat the shit out of Ryu, Teepo, and Rei, they were adult thugs in their prime dealing with juvenile members of their respective clans.

(cont.)

>>12852391
>>12852393
>its literally the basis for tiga's obsession.
Which, again, if snipped out of the plot... nothing changes! Let it go, bro.

>yes it is. they are extremely rare and their clan is almost entirely destroyed.
And that thread is cut off when Tiga is killed and furthermore shown to be meaningless because Tiga doesn't impregnate Katt and yet Rei exists in the far flung future. You don't have an argument.

>you're failing to recognize the actual context of the relationship tiga has with claris.
You're failing to recognize the subtext or to acknowledge that any subtext exists at all, even when it's slapping you square in the face.

>as for plot relevance, yes the core plot would still happen the same,
Thank you. Why are we still talking about this then?

At least with the Balio and Sunder fight, if it were possible to truly win that first engagement, the plot would've taken a dramatically different turn elsewhere. Literally nothing related to the plot changes if it were possible to beat Tiga. Literally nothing. It adds nothing.

>katt LITERALLY tells tiga she doesnt feel love for him and tiga doesnt understand.
And is that why she agrees to stand be his side during the coming assault on the church? I mean, christ's sake, even when it's definitive NTR like a full-on Yoyo situation, it's not like Yoyo is thirsting for the man she ends up with at the start.

(cont.)

>>12852391
>>12852393
>it isnt until claris confesses her feelings that he understands, and then chooses claris.
Tell me you didn't play the game without telling me you didn't play the game.

What happened is that Habaruku/Hulk captured her and used her as bait to lure everybody out from hiding in the congregation. Claris tries to remain silent, but Hulk has demonic mind reading powers. It is through that Hulk reveals Claris's feelings for Tiga. Claris doesn't confess shit, revisionist. Even then Tiga doesn't rush to her aid. It's when Hulk indirectly accuses Tiga of only viewing Claris as his "subordinate" that Tiga decides to reveal himself and challenge Hulk. There is subtext here, even if you were to disagree and say I'm reading too much into it, clearly when Hulk says directly to Claris, "Wouldn't it be nice if Tiga, whom you love.. came to save you.. Claris," obviously Hulk and Claris both already know this because they're looking at the same set of thoughts and feelings residing in Claris's mind, and yet he's speaking directly to Claris as he says this. The SUBTEXT is at least that this message while directly given to Claris isn't actually for Claris.
So you can't argue that there's simply no subtext here, there is.

>you're literally just that jap guy running through the streets screaming SEEEEEEEX and focusing on make-believe ntr instead of whats actually happening and why.
Says the guy literally inventing bullshit that didn't happen. Tell us some more about how, "Claris confessed her feelings," anon. Go on, tell us all about your fanfiction, though I'd suggest actually playing the game first to get some material, lmfao.

>>12852396
I don't know what that other anon is talking about. This is the first BoF thread I've been in on /vr/. I usually frequent other boards.

I rarely ever talk about BoF1 or BoF2.

>>12852467
>>12852464
>>12852461
Hey I'm really sorry. You know what? You're right. I was wrong. And I was over the top with the brainworms thing. I'm really sorry about that. The game is in my backlog right now, I watched a big chunk of it though. And the reason the whole NTR thing is such a touchy subject is because me and my partner have gone through some ups and downs in the past. It's all in the past now but I hope you can be understanding of that and stop talking about NTR please? I really don't want to think about that right now.

>>12852562
... oh shit, anon.
I'm really sorry hear about that. Yeah, I'm good. I'm done.

So changing the subject, which BoF game is your guys' favorite in the series? IMO, BoF3 is the shining star of the lot. That dragon gene system can't be topped, so good

>>12852578
Bof3 is the best Jrpg. Bof1 was my baby first and I will protect it till I die. At least the Mrlb3 item works in it

>>12852584
Ah, brings me back. Me and my lil bro used to always play the BoF series together. We started with BoF2, didn't find BoF1 until the Gameboy Advance version came out, but us being stupid kids... man... we got to the point you're supposed to go back to the other side of the Wydnian bridge and we never figured out about how to use Sten to grip on the poles to get to the other side. Just never occurred to us.

We didn't end up finishing BoF2 because of that.
Sadly, we also didn't end up finishing BoF3 together because of a similar situation. We got all the way to the Desert of Death and because the directions the guide and his notes in the tent different we kept getting lost in the desert. We never pieced together that the notes in the tent tell us go the wrong direction, lol

Later on we both played the game separately and got through the game, but man. Those were the days...