>be me>tired of 30 years of "L is real 2401" arguments>stop trying to read the blurry 32x32 plaque>instead recreate how it was made>type text in a real 90s font, shrink to 32x32 like the texture artist would have, compare pixel by pixel with the real texture>test ~530 fonts from the era, 1.2 million possible first words, 17,700 words for line 2>it says "Eternal Star / We hope so">font is Adobe Palatino Bold Italic from 1990>"L is real 2401" fits about twice as badlypic related: left of the line is the real texture from the ROM, right is the reconstruction. you can't see the seam.code + full report if you want to check it yourself:https://github.com/supermochi64/sm64-plaque-decodeluigi was never real.
I admire the autism.
based OP
>>12883815Now this is the weapons grade autism I come here for.
>>12883815If true, it's kinda wack it really was Eternal star the whole time.
>>12883815Solid work op
Thank you
>>12883815Plaque if it real [model]
Quickly, those lore icebergs need updating ASAP.
>>12883815I thought this was already done ages ago
>>12883815We won Eternal Star bros
>>12883929Everything in the Mario 64 iceberg is retarded hysterical bullshit.
>>12883862I'd believe it. Adding that "We hope so" bit at the bottom sounds like a cheeky little joke that would be right at home in Mario.
>>12883965very true. It fits really well.
>>12883965>>12883970I don't think anything was cheeky or conspiratorial, that's the problem with the M64 icebergs/creepypastas. There's exactly zero substantial beta content, confirmed by leaks. Even Sonic 2 has something, except the scrapped zones were shit."Eternal Star - We hope so" is just a regular dumb Japaneseism for a tombstone, like "Rest in peace" is. There's no lorebuilding intent.
>>12883975I can't speak for the other anon, but I don't think we we're implying anything conspiratorial like that, just that it's silly.And yeah I agree it sounds like a weird early mario japaneseism.
>>12883980I'm not accusing anyone ITT, just the tendies that would say "The devs knew this would be the absolute greatest game in history and slipped in as many hidden messages inside the cart data as possible." Which would be ok if redditors didn't churn out unfounded bullshit faster than anyone can process. Not one iceberg subject delivered. You sometimes see cuss words hidden in western games. Majora's Mask tried to be creepy, yet no subliminal messages. That should disprove most Mario 64 "lore."
>>12883815I hate you niggers that pretend to be 4channers just because having an AI type a greentext became a Twitter meme. Go back.Also no, that's not a solution and you have AI psychosis. I'm not even an anti-slop guy, you're just a low IQ retard.
>>12883990It just sounds like something a random Toad would say off to the side about the Eternal Star if SM64 was a Mario RPG.
>>12883997People knew it was Eternal Star over a decade ago. This is just statistical evidence that rules out everything else via brute force. It may not be "proof" but it's still 99% likely to be. To shut up the L is real hysteria
>>12883997Take your meds
>>12883815That's pretty cool, I never believed l was real. It's nice to be vindicated after all these years of gaslighting and verbal abuse.
>>12883815The AI just assumes the letters were offset by random pixels for each letter to explain the spaces in the pixels, otherwise it doesn't really fit lol. Maybe "star" kinda fits but but the r definitely doesn't look right.
>>12884037This was always my guess for the "star" part, something like this, I don't have an $100 AI plan or whatever to test it though.
>>12884037yeah, plus what software was used to render the text? assuming the text and font are correct, the final result doesn't have the same anti-aliasing otherwise it'd be a perfect match. did they even account for the different anti-aliasing techniques of the era? different font rendering could completely change the outcome
>>12884037Text rendering is fickle and has many implementations that output slightly different results, who knows exactly what software they were using to make this texture and if it used OS APIs or it's own
>>12884054>>12884047Ninja'd by a whole 7 minutes. incredible
This methodology is fundamentally flawed. There are always going to be several original resolution images that downscale to the same low resolution image due to the pigeonhole principle. Even if downscaling produced a 1:1 match, which this didn't, it wouldn't prove your base image is the same as the developer's base image. The brute force nature of the search means coincidental outcomes are virtually guaranteed. Even heuristically, I don't buy it. It's highly unlikely the developers hand kerned text while making a texture like this.
>>12884040>>12884076You can't go by looks. You can simply try a dictionary attack and prove everything else is a lesser match, which is what the github did. If you end up with a mathematical 99% probablity, that's legit evidence. I don't buy "L is real." Too sensational.
>>12884082You can't dictionary attack the problem since you don't even know if the original base image was text.
>>12884087If the base image wasn't text then this is all moot to begin with. If it was, then it's Eternal Star.
>doubting the reality of L
>>12884095The AI doesn't think it's "Eternal Star" it thinks it's "Eternal Star with a bunch of random pixel spaces in between each character". I think the chance that the developers actually chose to do that might be less than the chance of them choosing to just draw something illegible that looks like text with grey pixels.
>>12884105>random pixel spaces in between each characterThis is also a real possibility though, whether it's hand done or as a result of the font rendering library, scaler, aspect ratio stretching, etc. Going through all that isn't worth it so he brute forced the kerning. Point is, even with random kerning, it still matches Eternal Star most in a dictionary attack.
>>12883815This does not account for different downscaling algorithms.
everyone knows it says Eternal Star but it's just funny because it does kinda look like L is Real 2401 through the n64 blur.
>>12884120I could not see that in there for life.That last part is very obviously "star". Which also makes sense considering the plaque is on a fucking STAR statue.
>>12884112All the stuff you're hand-waving is what would actually give this any credibility. If he came out and said "Here's the software stack Nintendo used to make the textures. We can prove this is what they used with xyz evidence. Here are parameters that remake the texture 1:1 within that software stack. It's text that says bla bla bla," I would believe that. Brute forcing random configurations in an unrelated environment doesn't prove anything. The gif of the texture being upscaled (>>12883885) looks cool, I guess, but it's not a valid piece of texture archeology.
>>12884127There's no proof of kerning correctness, that is true. The brute forcing is a substitute that we can calculate probabilities with and deduce. The guy likely wrote his script in an afternoon and got enough data to write a paper with. The method could be applied to things that might actually matter instead.
if the kerning and text rendering is arbitrary then you could probably make the text say anything you want and get a similar result by manipulating the font and those variables. op is a fag
>>12884136It is done arbitrarily, the AI just told us what we already know and gave us the % likeliness.
>>12884134>The guy likely wrote his scriptHe didn't write shit. This is ai psychosis.
>>12883839I don't. Imagine obsessing over such meaningless shit as a single ugly texture in a game full of ugly textures. Utter waste of time, the autists who found this could've solved a cold case or proven a theorem in the same time
>>12883815>the yellow line slides acrossOh, I hadn't noticed.
>>12883815Jonny was righthttps://www.neogaf.com/threads/l-is-real-2041.24470/#post-654376
>>12883885couldn't you just find this out in the giga nigger leak
>>12883815this is one of the saddest projects i have ever seen. it's literally the software version of reading tea leaves and using dictionaries to get the words it might be saying. holy fucking shit lmao. retard.
>>12884197>Not by "AI Coder: the legendary researcher who discovered Eternal Star"probably a luddite with a time machine who read about the AI achievement online and stole it.
>>12884345>The L is realwow
>>12883815I don't believe it. And the pixels for "REAL" and "MODEL" clearly look different.
>>12884173The irony that you solved a puzzle to post this is lost on you.
>>12884360Bodied that freak.
>>12884197We didn't listen
>>12884197living the dream
>>12883815
>>12884307No because Zammis Clark decided not to grab the actual SM64 source code because he's a retarded faggot. He only grabbed some shitty package meant to be handed over to iQue that had almost nothing in it, even though he claims he saw the actual archive containing the source code, too.
>>12884878I don’t know who that is.
>>12884885He's the autist who hacked Nintendo leading to the 'gigaleak'. He wasted a once in a lifetime thing to mostly look for dumb Pokemon shit.
>>12884889How stupid of him to have wasted a once in a lifetime chance to find out some dumb autist shit YOU cared about all so he could look for some dumb autist shit HE cared about. Hopefully he learned his lesson.
>>12883997Obsessed schizo
>>12883815Nope
Has anyone just asked miyamutoid or another dev in an interview what it says(if anything)?
>>12884889He got me a bunch of cool shit that I archived so I'm still happy for the extra starfox stuff and seeing all the characters that ended up going to f-zero instead
>>12884889>wah why didnt he do it for ME????Cry bitch cry
>>12883815What else can we use this tech for
He used AI so the result is unethical and therefore invalid.
>>12885170this but unironically and without trying to sound like a chud tryhard
Even though people guessed it before, it's nice to have confirmation.
>>12885178It's not the "chuds" that whine about AI, though.
>>12884197Jonny, I kneel...
>>12883815even if this is is a flawed way to figure out what it says and it probably does say eternal star, this alone makes op the biggest fag in a while on this board. please fuck off from this board lmao
>>12884451I knew Obama was white this whole time.
>>12884451Now pixelate the guy on the right and reveal him again
>>12883980>>12883975I wonder if it could be a pun translated from Japanese.Eternal Star = The star that survives forever... We Hope So= ...or at least we hope it will (survive forever). Combine that with "hoshi" being the Japanese word for "star," and "hoshii" meaning "want/desire," and you'd have what might have been a Japanese pun translated to English.
>>12885438His mother is, at least
I always assumed the text was just gibberish. But this is a lot more cool. Even though it's such a small piece of text, it's interesting that someone wrote this. It reflects someone's real thoughts on the game. The "L is real" nonsense that some people ridiculously still entertain should be left in the 2000s.
>>12884320No, it's not, it's a visual comparison using valid methods. What the fuck are tea leaves? You sound like a cat lady.
>>12884451BARRACK H. OBAMA WAS A WHITE MAN. HIS NAME WAS BARTON O'BAUMAN!
>>12884117My thoughts as well. You need to consider what graphics editing software a Japanese developer was using at the time.This has also overlooked the intentional loss of color information for optimising texture memory usage.The real texture only uses 18 colors, whereas the modelled image is using 145 colors. The modelling should be snapping the downsample image's colors to the nearest indexed shades available for the best comparison.Beyond that, it doesn't look like this is checking for the anti-aliasing method used on the font (like non, sharp, smooth, strong, or crisp, if this applies), and it may not accounting for the text layer positioning?Slight differences in positioning produce different results upon downsampling.As a demo, here's a 1024x512 image downsampled to 64x32 using nearest neighbour, bicubic sharp, and bilinear. The text on the right square is nudged to the right a few pixels prior to downsampling.In spite of that, it does seem like a best-fit guess for now?
For fuck's sake, it likely doesn't say anything. The same texture was used in OOT in multiple locations, it's just meant to look like text. Why would it even be in English if it's basically a generic placeholder texture just to show that something has something written on it made by a Japanese company? Much less, specifically be English text about something Mario related?
>>12885532Good job not reading even a little bit of anything.
>>12885545Oh I read it, it was "I used AI to take a complete guess at maybe possibly what this texture says when it's already been known for years it says nothing, and then put it all over my Twitter about how great I am." My post still stands, it doesn't say anything, is likely not even English, and is even less likely specifically Mario related. Notice how the image in >>12884451 is "decoded" similarly to laughable results.
>>12885170He used AI to "coincidentally" come to the exact same conclusion posted publicly on neogaf in 2004 and Glitterberri in 2023 on publicly crawlable forums. The font might not even be correct, to make it work he inserted random spaces.
>>12885579Looks like you didn't read it.
>>12885669Looks like you're retarded
>>12885687Elaborate.
>>12885263wow,im sure he will be remembered for centuries.what a legend.
>>12885579You just confirmed that you didn’t read shit.
>>12884347Why are AIfags so insufferable and cringey? For as much as they like to cry about the behavior of muh twatter artists, they themselves are so much worse.
>>12885579It didn't just guess, retard. It tried hundreds of words, hundreds of fonts, hundreds of different settings, and compared the pixels.
>>12883990Will you shut the fuck up with your brand war bullshit? You're a grown man
>>12884082Who the fuck are these people who think it's L is real? I always assumed that was a joke guess. You're just making shit up to be mad at.
>>12885579Mindbroken
>>12885853And all of that is meaningless since when you have that little resolution to go on it can easily have false positives with anything, again, check >>12884451You seriously don't find it odd that it just happens to say the thing that urban legends thought it said since decades ago when people were guessing what it said off their CRTs?>>12885882I'm not some anti-ai luddite you retard, I am saying that this particular usage is useless and proves nothing other than to guess because even with AI there is just not enough source resolution to figure out jack shit.
>>12883815>i have serious mental issues
>>12885897That you think >>12884451 is relevant to this discussion just demonstrates that you never read the OP, and are having a kneejerk melty for no other reason than muh AI brainrot.
>>12885953>Idiot accusing others of not reading didn't read that this isn't an anti-AI issue.Why am I not surprised that the illiterate are calling others illiterate to hide their own faults. You are having a kneejerk meltdown because you think this is an AI issue.
>>12885532>Why would it even be in English if it's basically a generic placeholder texture just to show that something has something written on it made by a Japanese company? Much less, specifically be English text about something Mario related?Japanese games are always throwing in some random English text. Japan does it all the time outside of games too. It would be something Mario related because the graphic was originally made to be used with Mario and not Zelda.>but streets of rage 2 takes place in america!Just the first example that came to mind, and Mario is an Italian-American anyway. Peach clearly has a European style kingdom and castle too, European looking text on a plaque fits in well with that.
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>>12885897>You seriously don't find it odd that it just happens to say the thing that urban legends thought it said since decades ago when people were guessing what it said off their CRTs?It would be weirder if it didn't match anything people have guessed over the years.
>>12886098>>12886104Also, pretty much all graphics software is going to come with a wide variety of Latin fonts by default. The same is not true for Japanese.
>>12886098Even the Japanese cart has English on it.
>>12886098>>12886104I see your random english text and raise with really, really random english text.
>>12885953>i'm literally retarded
/vr/ is a magical place where people get into detailed fights about some random, placeholder plaque which appeared in two, different games, serving the same function - to look like some form of ancient text. It's actually pretty popular among games of that era.
>>12886098Yes, I am very aware of random English being tossed into Japanese media, but why would they bother with it on a texture that would never be readable?
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