Do you play retro flight sims, anon?
>>12905504I do not. I did play Falcon 4.0 and Falcon BMS for a while, but I haven't invested in any of the new fancier sims. I just don't have time for that.The old ones were super comfy. I remember playing some Falcon game on the Macintosh back in the late 80s when I was just a little kid. It was super cool.
>>12905504my uncle had copied disks for F18 and F14 sims.in CGA graphix. but i never figured them. 2hard4me. didn't have the manual either.
>>12905504I do. But only to prove that i'm 3retro5you
I'm a frequent flyer of Il-2 Sturmovik, ever since I was a little oneThe later games are decent but there's something about 1946 I've stuck with after all these years. I think it's just the best in terms of bang for your buck regarding content. It's nice having the European, Pacific, and Mediterranean/desert theaters all in one go, rather than shelling out for overpriced expansions and individual planes. the modding scene is great too. It's had a bit of a resurgence, lots of nice stuff being done by the community lately, a proper VR mod came out a couple of months ago rather than the usual vorpx fuckery, and there's some other good stuff in the works, regarding dynamic lighting, modeling wake turbulence, changes in AI etc.
>>12905817I love that game, I just wish there were more options for quick battles.
>>12905504>Do you play retro flight simsSadly without a real joystick it just isn't the same.Despite the hall sticks being pretty good it's not nearly enough and not good for your thumb.
>>12905817Love that one too, never liked how the later titles are mostly just focussed on throwing you directly into high-action dogfights. Flying a bomber mission and having to do the whole thing from takeoff until you land again, including just flying towards your target in formation for an eternity, is peak comfy. Actually hitting your target after you figured out how to use the bomber's targeting device is also satisfying as fuck.
>>12905909In the past I've flown bomber careers solely from a gunners seat, it can be pretty tense just sitting through flak on the way to the target hoping the next hit doesn't tear your wing off. It seems to vary between complete milk runs, or you being the only returning plane out of nearly a whole squadron
What are the good "accessible" flight sims?
>>12905913That sounds fun, I should try that too some day.
>>12905932I only really have a WW2 frame of reference but as mentioned above, IL-2 1946 is good. It has some more complex mechanics like managing radiators and other engine management stuff but that can be toggled. It's also not keybind heavy like other, more full-fidelity sims like DCS, you can get away with just a cheap joystick and use the keyboard for the rest of your binds, if needs be, there's not a huge amount of inputs you'll be constantly making during flight anyway. (I assume you have no HOTAS/other stuff at this stage.)
>>12905932It's from 2009 so I guess I am a sinner against the holy /vr/ rule
>>12905504Red Baron sometimes.
>>12905504is someone finally aislopping the good graphsim shit?because A-10 and F/A-18 needs a unified port
>>12905504Is there any appeal besides nostalgia? What reasons would you give a newbie to try them out instead of modern ones?
>>12906253Because seriously though, have you ever tried to play one hour or DCS?
>>12906253>What reasons would you give a newbie to try them out instead of modern ones?"Newer ones" essentially constitutes DCS World, Falcon 4.0, and that's it. Greater, more accurate and realistic simulation does not instantly replace the distinctive game design of many older sims. There is justification that some older sims are just flat-out inferior, but then there are also some sims, or sim-lite games, which had actual design put forward for them that made them unique to themselves. Strike Commander is one such game, as is F-15 Strike Eagle series. F19 Stealth Fighter, F117 Stealth Fighter, F-22 Lightning 3, and Blue Max: Aces of the Great War are some games that had unique gameplay that made playing them more interesting than just simulating the plane. Strike Commander combines flying with a mercenary story and managing the money needed to keep your squadron operating. F-19 Stealth Fighter makes avoiding detection central to the mission, with different rules of engagement depending on whether you’re operating during cold war, limited war, or conventional war. Those are reasons to play them even if you have no nostalgia for them.
>>12906294>Strike Commander combines flying with a mercenary story and managing the money needed to keep your squadron operatingThe latter aspect is very overblown, you pretty much need to actively try to go broke in that game.
>>12905817I think flight sims woild be great for VR. I'm considering getting a setup for Quake but I just can't seem to bring myself to do it.
>>12906325Strike Commander also emphasizes fun over realism. The flight model is incredibly simple, and a lot of the procedures, if not most of them, are automated by default. It's basically a modern day equivalent to Wing Commander. The 80's and 90's were full of sim-lite games, which I think is preferable to the full "true sim" games, since if the only requirement is realism, it doesn't leave a lot of room for experimentation. Of course, if you go too far in the other direction, like Ace Combat, you just get a regular shoot em up, which has it's own, separate appeal.
>Do you play retro flight sims, anon?Never, even though the sim genre was probably my favorite throughout the 90s and into the early 00s. I started with F-117 and F-19, then quit entirely after several years of playing multiplayer in IL-2 and tinkering with F4: Falcon Forever.Sims aren’t really about stories or characters (inb4 Strike Commander or sci-fi sims like MechWarrior); they’re mostly about technology and complexity, at least for me. So whenever a groundbreaking sim came out, I stopped playing the older (similar) one.
>>12906402>F4: Falcon ForeverI meant Free Falcon.
>>12906402Longbow 1 and 2 had amazing campaigns. Shame they are completely broken on modern systems.
>>12906402I'm retarded, so complexity was never a main goal for me. I just liked the variety in realism of vehicle damage and flying military machines around big open spaces.
>>12906428>and flying military machines around big open spaces.weeeeee
now that Jane's FA got a reverse engineer project, i hope F-15 as USAF is nextand maybe combat sim 3
>>12906910I'd like Jane's ATF, and Longbow 1 and 2.
>inb4 not a sim
>>12906959By that logic, After Burner is a sim.
>>12906952>>12906957>>12906959Literally, indubitably, not a sim.
>>12905817DGen campaigns are endless fun.
I don't but I wish I did.Can anyone recommend a good one that runs fine on Windows 10? I played Microsoft Combat Simulator and it was fun but I was thinking something with less complicated controls.
Hellcats Over the Pacifichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljx5aJ27sRg
>>12906253>Is there any appeal besides nostalgia?familiarity - I sometimes feel like playing a flight sim but not want to have to learn a whole new control scheme or get accustomed to specific quirks of the simulation, so I'll just launch a game I already know how to play
>>12907895Any of the Novalogic games. They're all designed to be very accessible. F-16 Multirole Fighter is a good introductory sim.
>>12908404i hope someone slops them so it is possible to play in widescreen and also fix F22 Lightning 3 rendering problems from the beta patch
Posted it in the vr charts thread, but it also fits here.
>>12905504not in 30 years
>>12908729How easy are these actually, because I KNOW that Sega CD game is not going to be as simple some of those other ones.
>>12905504Not really a flight sim. But I've been thinking about giving Top Gun on the NES another try. My family rented it once when I was like 5 years old, but I never managed to land the plane. Now that I'm older (and can read English) I feel like I might actually be able to beat the game or, at the very least, land the plane.
>>12908729who the hell made this, and why didn't he even mention MS FlightSim?and where's my nigga Gunship! ?or the game from the OP webm, F/A-18 Korea?
>>12908832AH3 thunderstrike is a remake of the original DOS game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkbqrj-LBhwits sequel is famously known as Firestorm Thunderhawk 2
>>12908832Fairly straight forward, honestly. F-16 MF, MiG-29, F-15 Strike Eagle, and LHX Attack Chopper are really simple.
>>12908895F/A 18 Korea is NOT an introductory flight sim.
>>12909081oh? what's not-introductory about it?
>>12909109The games in that chart are all relatively light on learning. You can figure out how to fly and use the planes within roughly 20 to 30 minutes. F/A 18 Korea needs you to sit down and watch in-game seminars like a classroom just to fly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO8UxbvJFhgThe tutorial alone is around 2 hours long.
>>12909207it is simplier than falcon 3.0 and watching the entire art of kill video, which i dare say, IT IS STILL GOOD EVEN FOR WARTHUNDER, AND SPACE SIM GAMEShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvnjWhe1y0Q
>>12909246>it's simpler than Falcon 3.0That's not saying much, since Falcon 3.0 is basically the top of the mountain. There are very few games more advanced/difficult than it. Only comparison would be DCS World sims.It belongs in the "Advanced" category, along with Hornet: Naval Strike Fighter, F-14: Fleet Defender, EF2000, Tornado, Jane's F-15, Su-27 Flanker, and MiG-29 Deadly Adversary.
Is there a flight sim that can help me feel how's it to hit the ground at almost the speed of sound with a Learjet?
>>12909264you spoke of tornado, the community gave a svga patch to ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s8BGaR4meI
>>12905504Anyone got any other webm's to post?
>>12909207>F/A 18 Korea needs you to sit down and watch in-game seminars like a classroom just to fly.it really doesn'tonly thing that needs a sit-down is using A/G missiles, and operating the radar (which isn't all that complicated; just keep it on TWS mode). but you can even scrape by without it if you use just Sidewinders and CCIP bombs
>>12909207>F/A 18 Korea needsWhy are underage faggots like this?
>>12905504They must've updated the games on STEAM or something, because F-16 by Novalogic runs a lot better than it used to. No longer runs in windowed mode, and you can actually use the 3D acceleration.
>>12909787>needsOh, so you can just pick up the game and play it if you've never played it before, faggot? Why are illiterate retards like this?
>>12909818F-16 as F-22 Lightning 3 needs Hi Res Patches.
>>12905504I'm reminded of an early multiplayer WW2 flight sim I played in maybe 94 or 95. Was pretty cool. iirc, you choose your plan and connect to the lobby and there would be a bunch of people flying around. I even remember one of the players, some guy that kicked everyones ass when he connected. /salute Col. RapidFire
>>12908729Where does F-22 Air Dominance Fighter sit on this list? It's been on my wishlist for a while, but I'm not sure how complex it is. I liked Eurofighter Typhoon.
>>12909867ADF As all of the DID games are on the list, but TAW is more advanced, and i think microprose is working on release that soon.TFX is good shit, but run on mt-32.EPIC is better on AmigaINFERNO on DOSI think even Robocop 3 on Amiga is better that on DOS because of the sound and some minor stuff.
>>12906736Nice
>>12909653
>>12909959iF-22 is next on Microprose's flight simulator list.
>>12909959Jane's right now is the holy grail. They're sitting on a trove of sims that have sold millions of copies in the 90's and early 2000's, and they're sitting collecting dust. The most we've got in terms of modern re-releases was Hunter/Killer, a sub game, and Fleet Command, a strategy game.
>>12908729To be fair, on most "advanced" or "complex" flight sims there's a difficulty scaler that makes them play more accessibly.
>>12909818Don't mind me, just posting more F-16 Multirole Fighter Screenshots. I started it a while ago, but this thread inspired me to pick it back up. Got shot down by a shitty F-7. Game is more realistic than enthusiasts give it credit for. If you get hit, you don't just blow up, you can lose your engine, a wing, fuck your rudders up, lose your computer systems entirely, lock up your launching systems for missiles. Lots of things can go wrong. And the avionics are surprisingly deep. Deeper than something like Strike Eagle 3, but not nearly as deep as Falcon 4.0
My faggots, we are eatin good
>>12911289Is that Jane's Fighters Anthology? How did you get it running?
>>12912084The old game still runs fine but it is a hit and miss, i even did a zip all in one months ago with the install set to 1998 because FA is date sensitive for modsThis on the other hand is a full recomp and complete upgrade from top to bottom by the community.https://github.com/john-overton/T.O.R.E-Fightershttps://john-overton.github.io/T.O.R.E-Fighters/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc3dhIaLW6c
Any games that run straight from the executable on modern sims? Preferably Abandonware?
>>12912161F/A-18 Korea just needs dgVoodoo DLL's, otherwise no patches or mods needed
>>12912147>doesn't come with the game dataIt's abandonware at this point, not sure why anyone would care.
Does armour-geddon count?That's the only one i've plyaed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcV1u8F5Ab0
>>12912147Very nice. Too bad it's 64bit only.
SU-27 flanker also comes with a windows release, and is in need of a slop to fix the sound and resolution issues
>>12908729>Jane's ATF>not Jane's Fighters AnthologyWhy?
>>12913207the person who did that collage is a moron
>>12913207Jane's Fighters Anthology is a compilation, hardly its own game.
>>12914519Weird metric. For all intents and purposes it functions as a single game with content included from several others. Its basically playing ATF with 3 times the content.
>>12914519FA its its own thing, with improved physics and bugfixes over ATF including non MIDI soundtrack
I've played nearly all of the games in this thread, and continue to enjoy sims to this day especially in VR.Anyone here ever play fleet defender? Great variety of missions and maps, I remember a lot of memorable moments dodging AAA doing CAP over Tripoli in the Libya campaign, one time had to limp back to the boat at low level using the hills for cover after losing an engine. The game really made you feel like you were flying a Tomcat and designed the simulation aspects around it, something that I really love about sims from that era.
>>12906254DCS is amazing and arguably retro since it's basically built from older games like Lock On Modern Air Combat and has been around a long time on its own.You can do so much in DCS: Aerobatics, formation flying, singleplayer, trainings, mission editors, player made campaigns, mods, multiplayer PvP, multiplayer Co-Op PvE, etc.
>>12905504Is there any flight sim but with ufos and weird stuff you have to figure it out?
>>12917126>and arguably retroYou really set the tone early on how much bullshit you were going try to push in your post
>>12908729>simcopterfuck that buggy piece of shit game
>>12917134I mean DCS world was literally built from the foundation of Lockon Modern Air Combat from 2003.
the su25 has a nice little CRT tv for retro games
>>12917228su25t*
>>12917161Starfield was built from the foundation of morrowind. Who cares
>>12917384play DCS. PLAY IT
>>12916740I've tried, but the STEAM version is a huge pile of shit that runs like AIDS. Is the GOG version any better?Also, I heard it's really difficult.
>>12918491Anon, it is the same shit.follow this for Fleet Defender on bothhttps://www.tales-from-darkenedroom.com/post/fleet-defender-defending-in-dosboxhttps://www.tales-from-darkenedroom.com/post/tech-refresh-2026-dosbox-staging-overhaul
>>12917126DCS is a glorified cockpit simulator. The campaigns are fucking ass, the enemy AI on the ground is retarded and beyond simplistic, mirroring AI from games from the fucking early 90's.I get what they're going for, but the experience is completely lopsided for anyone looking to play an actual game, not pretend to fly a museum piece. And they have done very little, mind you, to correct these issues.
>>12918502>follow this>posts the dead sea scrolls in their entiretynigga what
>>12918491To be honest I haven't played either the Steam or GOG version, I don't think you can go wrong with just using dosbox and finding a copy "in the wild" I wouldn't say its difficult, but it does require a lot of knowledge of the aircraft systems and tactics. If you've ever flown the Tomcat in DCS you won't have a hard time figuring things out. It is actually fairly easy to man front and back seat solo once you get used to the controls.
>>12917228not a sim....>>12906959my local arcade in the 1980s only had the "static"one. doesn't move at all. 20 years later , i would play the remake in the arcade. it had shaking seats. doesn't look quite as cool.
>>12918506Well, I get what you mean, but the fun game aspect really is there actually. The AI really is dependent on a lot of things but if you play a good PvE server, it's a ton of fun and can be a big challenge going up against them. Some servers the AI are super easy, some they're really tough it just depends.The most fun to be had is in the multiplayer by far though, PvP is fun, but I have the most fun playing PvE servers and coordinating attacks on airfields/bases with other players. You work with your team to take over the map from the AI enemies both air to ground and air to air.Then some of the PvP servers are more like Team deathmatch style or even team campaign style where the two sides fight over periods of days to take control of the map.But ultimately DCS is sort of a sandbox so you can kind of find what you count as fun and expand on that. It's also cool because a lot of the modules were developed and/or tested by real pilots of the aircraft.
>>12905504I remember back in the very early 90s my high school had some air traffic control simulator that was basically wireframe graphics.
>>12918689Was it this game?
>>12917202>>12917228Stormovik... home...
>>12905504I do>>12906253I find it helps me actually fly, rather than spend all my time trying to get the best plane, the best scenery, the best weather and ATC engine, and so on set up. Instead of being worried about optimisation, I can just enjoy an old sim for what it is. When a new simulator has weak systems simulation, it feels incomplete or shoddy. With an older one, you can usually tell they were doing the best they could with what they had.Maybe that's autism.
>>12905504Yeah, since I was a kid.https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/88501/Wing_Commander/
>>12918689Are you sure it wasn't Harpoon, which is a naval sim? It resembles air traffic control simulator a lot...I have a tendency to set up old DOS games but it's so easy to forget them too. I have a bunch. One which I have played the most is F-15 Strike Eagle 2. It was my favourite as a kid.
>>12919681nice, that game looks sick. love the su-25
>>12919681https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsT1r-97nOQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKYFAveA3U
>>12923095Careful anon, you'll get called a shill!
>>12906294>F117 stealth fighterGreat game.
