This has to be one of the least skill based games ever made. Every moment of gameplay you are at the mercy of like 5 different forms of RNG that could decide you lose though no fault of your own.
>>12918783How does it feel to know you're dumber than non-sentient computer robots?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaqvGZfQHlc
>>12918783>RNGReal Nigga Gaming
>>12918786As opposed to sentient computer robots?
>>12918783No, the rules are pretty set. The only real RNG is weapon spread, AI placement, and AI reactions, particularly from the suspects. If you place and time your route good enough, your team mates should perform spectacularly. Damage can kinda be RNG, but mostly RNG in your favor, whenever it does vary, since most shots kill you in one hit anyway.People like to say that the enemy AI is fixed, but I have seen with my own eyes, the enemy switch positions on a map upon restart. The Met in Rogue Spear is a perfect example. The guy walking around the upper balcony area is rarely in the same spot twice. The guy camping in the corner switches which corner he is in, and sometimes even which side. The AI spawns aren't completely random, but it seems to be just different enough each time that if you're not careful, it can trip you up. Probably done to intentionally emulate the feeling of a executing a carefully orchestrated plan only to have incongruities to test you.
>>12918783I was hoping Call of Duty 4's tanker mission would be similar to Arctic Flare. Boy was I disappointed when I found out it is more linear than a line from 1 to 2.
>>12918783One of the best games ever. You're just a filtered zoomie who sucks at games
>>12918786rogue spear filtered my ass, way too difficult for me
>>12919482Interestingly it got a higher average review than the first one, which is uncommon in general.
>>12919506I know some oldschool R6 players who would disagree but Rogue Spear improved on the original in nearly every way.It's also still one of the best PvP games ever and people still play it.The "Black Ops 2.0" mod combines the original R6 campaign with Rogue Spear and all of its expansions. It's not the best way to play the original R6 campaign because the maps are mostly fan-made ports and some are buggy. But it's definitely the best way to play through the RS campaign and expansions. It's also the best multiplayer package because it comes with a shitload of maps, and most of them are excellent.
>>12919506I have never encountered the sales data, but based solely on my impression, the original R6 flew somewhat under the radar, while Rogue Spear got much more attention.
>>12919543Rainbow Six 1 and 2 both sold comparably well, but Rogue Spear had better long-term performance.I would say, Rainbow Six 1998 featured somewhat more interesting maps. They weren't as detailed or as intricate as Rogue Spear's, but they had more character being immediately recognizable and more carefully designed. There's a handful of maps in Rogue Spear that are great, but a number of them feel rushed, which isn't surprising given the rushed nature only releasing a year after the first one.
>>12919593>Rainbow Six 1998 featured somewhat more interesting mapsFor single player or multiplayer PvP? R6 had a few classic PvP maps, but there are a ton of great PvP maps in RS and its expansions. The quality does vary, but there aren't really any bad ones and there are several stone cold classics.
>>12919739Singleplayer. Rogue Spear MP is much better, mostly due to better hit detection and more complex hitboxes.
Now I return to my thread to inform you all that I've now beaten the game and enjoyed it. The sequel seems pretty awful though, I beat the last several levels in R6 on my first try after I learned how the game worked, I can't beat even the first level in the sequel because the gameplay sucks too much ass. Just seems like a bunch of horseshit.
>>12920249>I can't beat even the first level in the sequel because the gameplay sucks too much ass. Just seems like a bunch of horseshit.It plays exactly like the first one, just with added lean, lmao?
>>12920307I eventually beat the first level, fucking towelheads randomly have better aim than any Rainbow Six operative and genuinely instant reaction times. The required coordination with the hostages is insane for how jank the AI tends to be.
>>12920312Rogue Spear is balanced around you leaning around corners, instead of just pie-slicing corners like in the first one, along with more discipline around stealth (the AI reacts to noise more, and differently to different kinds of noises).Terrorists take cover, react to noise/sight, investigate, flee from grenades, call warnings, and can escalate (including threatening hostages). This makes pure “rush the plan on a timer” less reliable and rewards quieter movement, controlled engagements, and better use of recon tools (like the heartbeat sensor). They also added more in-mission control for team mates.Also, make sure your AI is using Blitz mode, not Normal or Cautious. Cautious is sometimes useful since it makes the AI crouch when you crouch and also cover your back as you advance, but you'll want to be using Blitz 90% of the time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXmIdc6Fhds
>can't beat route planning simulator to clear levels with 4 teamsThe game is piss easy once you use wait commands so teams coordinate. The difficult part is trying to get all the kills with the player controlled character.
>>12920312>game gives you breaching charges and flashbangs>still just walks forward into preaimed alerted enimies>most levels will have enemies rush to noise so you can kill them as they run around corners.I doubt you even slice the pie.
>>12918783fr fr no cap on god
Did any of you read the book the game was based off?
>>12920765>Did any of you read the book the game was based off?I started reading it when I was like 10 because I really enjoyed the games but it's an insanely big book and hilariously verbose so I dropped it like halfway.I should probably go back and read it now that i'm an adult and don't have to pick up a dictionary or bug my dad constantly as to what certain words mean.
>>12918783I'm going to vibe code a tight as fuck Ghost Recon 2 style third person camera/controls/animations into Rainbow Six Black Ops and there isn't a god damn thing you can do about it.
>>12920765It didn't age well, desu. Also, neither the book nor the game was based on the other; rather, they were developed simultaneously, which probably explains why the game's roster shares only one name with the book's roster.
>>12920885The fuck are you talking about? The premise/plot/characters are the same, it's just the book goes about elaborating upon it in a different manner. They are very similar, just not "the same".
>>12920851I read it a long time ago. People who try it and expect an actionfest will be disappointed. There are a few operations with some cool special forces action but a lot of it is explaining the global scenario and administration and and decision-making discussions. Which is more realistic of course but if you compare to how many operations are in the game you'll probably be like "wtf, they barely shoot anyone". It's more of a book about Competent Men At Work with a looming bioterror threat.
>>12920910Dr. Winston and Anne Lang are missing from the book, while Carol Brightling is missing from the game. John Brightling never served as a mission advisor in the book, and Popov, who organized and launched every terrorist attack, is absolutely erased from the game. There's no mission where terrorists take over Rainbow HQ in the game, most of the missions in the game don't have a matching scene in the book, and the few which do appear in both are radically different: the theme park (going through each ride vs. storming the control room & sniping a guy outside), Olympic stadium backrooms (clearing out the maintenance tunnels vs. arresting a single guy with no shots fired) and the terrorist compound (trudging through a giant biodome complex vs. a slaughter in the jungle) only correspond in name.
>>12920961The plot of both books hinges on a string of seemingly unrelated/incidental terrorist activities which end up coalescing into a grand strategy by a shadowy figure, centered upon, in both the book and the game, by a radical environmentalist to release an ebola-like virus with the planned release of the virus centered around the Olympics, and then confronting the group at their remote facility.Characters are missing, general operations are different, but the overall structure is identical. If the book were written by an unrelated author, he could have been sued for plagiarism for the similarities.
>>12920941All of Clancy's books are heavily, heavily involved in geo-politics. There's action scattered throughout them, but most of it is political and almost procedural.
>>12921198>Characters are missing, general operations are different, but the overall structure is identical.Just as stated prior:>>12920885>neither the book nor the game was based on the other; rather, they were developed simultaneously
Any patches in the style of GR Enhanced available for OG R6? R6BO won't run on my PC and I've tried every fix.GR Enhanced came out for Ghost Recon and it's been a godsend.
>>12921318Why won't Black Ops run on your PC? What is the issue?Are you running something stupid like Linux?
>>12918783You can't play Rainbow Six like a twitch shooter, dumbass, the core of the gameplay is planning operations and executing them correctly.
>>12918818You were disappointed by a Call of Duty campaign level being linear.
>>12921326Shit just black screens and refuses to start up. When I do get it to run, framerate goes into the thousands. Framerate limiter is ignored.
>>12921572Run R6BOConfig.exe and select the actual GPU instead of leaving it on automatic.In the DDrawCompat .ini set something like FpsLimiter = msgloop(60) or flipstart(60). You can also use Rivatuner or use the AMD or Nvidia control panels to physically limit the FPS as well.If it keeps black-screening on start up, run it as admin. If that doesn't work, disable fullscreen optimizations. If that doesn't work, disable Gsync or FreeSync.Try also disabling or exiting out of overlay programs like Discord or Copilot.
>>12920941I like the book moment-to-moment but it has no rising tension or even a sense of threat.It's just a series of "a bad guy began doing a thing, but then Ding&Co shoot him because good training <insert brand names>" over and over. I realise a Bond novel could be summarised the same way but at least he tends to get beaten up a bit and then think outside the box for the ending.The end of R6 is a turkey shoot.
>>12920941Meanwhile the SSN book goes too strong in the opposite direction. Clancy and some of his military friends played through a bunch of missions on their new naval warfare PC game "SSN," and rewrote the turn-by-turn records of each simulation as prose. Problem is they're trying to write a story about literal video game NPCs who just take up spots on your sub's roster with no story behind them. One of the most boring novels I've ever read, especially since Red Storm Rising had much better depictions of submarine warfare.
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>>12920853>I'm going to vibe code a tight as fuck Ghost Recon 2 style third person camera/controls/animations into Rainbow Six Black Ops and there isn't a god damn thing you can do about it.Based. Rainbow Six Black Ops content/GR1 content + GR2 controls/camera would be my perfect game.If you haven't played them already Ghost Recon 2 and Summit Strike got a recomp.https://github.com/ElKev118/summitstrike-recomphttps://github.com/ElKev118/ghostrecon2-recompOnly problem with the current releases is they freeze for me after saving so I have to force close/restart and load my game again, not sure if it's unique to me though as I haven't seen anyone else report the issue.It does encourage you not to save scum though kek
>>12921782>SSNFirst I've heard of this. Doesn't sound like it turned out great but that's an interesting concept.
>>12922130Consoleniggers get the rope, pc supremacy NOW
>>12922152I guarantee you haven't played GR2, it's harder than GR1, runs on the same engine and has way better AI.It never getting a PC release is one of the most egregious sins in vidya history, along with 6th gen Double Agent not getting a PC release, but that's also been recomped.
>>12922159>I guarantee you haven't played GR2, it's harder than GR1, runs on the same engine and has way better AI.This is laughably retarded nonsense. The AI are sitting ducks half the time, simplified ballistics and weapon handling, and made the enemy's AI way worse.
>>12922168It's literally the same AI, you can literally compare the code side by side, GR2 just has more AI states and complex behaviours, especially with respect to fighting in forests and using cover.
>>12922168>The AI are sitting ducks half the timeSo just like GR1?
>>12922176No, go suck your mother's dick, fag-tard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCIklOk7ysshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VdBxyPTtBA>>12922174No, "they literally aren't"https://youtu.be/N6uMs_XibqY?si=Eh8FZX1t8qODnBSW&t=383And yes, their aim IS worse, to make up for the fact that you have to use a shitty console controller to awkwardly aim instead of a mouse.You can see him standing out in the open 40 feet from an enemy, whiffing easy shots.https://youtu.be/N6uMs_XibqY?si=2PNRnomqVHGrbTA8&t=650Would've been headshots on him if that were GR1, complete with the AI not going prone and reacting seemingly randomly to enemies, strafing in and out of cover.
>>12922184>using the very first level as your example>on the lowest difficultyOof.
>>12922201How about halfway through the game, where the enemy just blatantly runs directly into your gunfire?https://youtu.be/N6uMs_XibqY?si=aoStd48fl7SG_3cL&t=7973>on the lowest difficultyFunny, because lowest difficulty GR1 the enemy still uses suppression mechanics, looks for covers, provides covering firing to allies, and actively tries to flank you and nade you out of cover.
>>12922204>night time mission against AI without nv's on a hold/defend objecetive that is meant to be swarmed with enemiesDouble oof.Your cherry picking might work with someone who doesn't know both games inside out, but I am not such a person.
>>12922204What's numerical value for how far AI can see at night in GR1 and GR2?
>>12922168>simplified ballistics and weapon handlingNigger what? GR1 doesn't even have ballistics and the handling is the same.
>>12921610Looks like a new update hit and I tried this again. I'm now able to get into the game with the proper framerate, but now my mouse is black and so is my screen, except for the bottom center UI.So close. Gonna have to keep tinkering.
damn there really was a new version from a few weeks ago
I get messed up menus when they dont stretch/fill up fullscreen properly, instead appear windowed and then glitched outside of it? Any ideas?
>>12920853Yes please, I want to play this game with a friend but he can't get pass not having weapon models in first person. A better third person camera would be cool.If you do it keep us posted, please.
>>12922535You and your friend might as well go and suck each others cock
>>12922227>>night time mission against AI without nv's on a hold/defend objecetive that is meant to be swarmed with enemiesThis is supposed to be an "OOF"?Yikes and cringe, guy. Ghost Recon 1's AI still uses those same mechanics at night time. >>12922235>Nigger what? GR1 doesn't even have ballistics and the handling is the same.Go shoot an enemy from long range with a pistol, then get back to me, retard.
>>12922174This kind of disingenuous, blatant lying is really annoying. It's pretty much unarguable that the AI in Ghost Recon 2 was a flat downgrade. No one disputes this, except you apparently. The only argument I see is that your team mates didn't get stuck from pathing issues as often, which you can thank for the more streamlined level design.While I'm sure there's more stuff added onto the AI in terms of technical applications in the code somewhere, I doubt you know anything of the sort associated with it, and the visible execution of the "behaviors" is lacking, wanting even. The AI does not at all appear to be as competent either in aiming at the player (given the smaller maps), or using the advanced tactics of its predecessor, at least consistently.The biggest things Ghost Recon 2 did was increase the amount of scripting involved to give it a more dramatic appearance, and added Havok physics to it for all the destruction. It's far, far, FAR more accessible than GR1, because it is far easier and straight forward, with less micro-management of your squad being required, as well as more forgiving in combat.I get that you probably have fond memories of GR2 when you were a kid and thought it was the most amazing game ever, and I'm not saying it's bad, but comparing it to the original, which was far more dynamic and open ended, and far more focused on your personal application of tactics based on your own personalized strategy, is a losing argument. You'll be hard-pressed to be able to stealthily avoid patrols in Ghost Recon 2 like you can in Ghost Recon 1, get engaged in firefights where you only suspect the enemy to be firing from, without actually seeing them since they actively use bushes and trees not just as cover, but to hide from the player, using stealth to flank you.
>>12920941Tom Clancy is boomerslop and definitely of its time. Rainbow Six and all the other John Clark books are pretty good. I really loved Without Remorse, about his time after returning home from Vietnam and deciding to become a serial killer that preys on pimps and drug dealers while larping as a hobo prior to joining the CIA or whatever he did just before Rainbow was formed.
>>12918783If this game was RNG then why is it 100% repeatable every single time you play? Sounds like a skill issue to me.
>>12923032>definitely of its timeOf course it is, because it was based on the geopolitics of the time. That doesn't mean a number of them aren't exceptional.>Bear and the Dragon>Red Storm Rising>Clear and Present Danger>Patriot Games>Cardinal of the Kremlin>Hunt for Red October>Sum of All Fears>Without Remorse>Debt of Honor>Executive OrdersAll classics. Rainbow Six was where the first cracks started to show in his writing, feeling like he was phoning it in, although the book is still a fun read.I would recommend>Cardinal of the Kremlin>Clear and Present Danger>Red Storm RisingAs the "premiere" Clancy novels.
>>12923118NTA, but I wouldn't call it "100" percent repeatable. There is an element of unpredictability within the programming of the terrorist AI.
>>12918783third person camera is fucking gay
I used to like these games. I never understood mission planning. I just played them. They are very hard. Randomising enemy positions would make them even harder. The hard is good. The mod that includes every R6 prior to Raven Shield is ok, you get access to every mission without having to complete them. Maybe that for some means they try another mission instead of try again and it only gets harder for them.Good as training.
>>12923871>I never understood mission planningYou can load pre-made mission plans you know.
The mission planning system is one of the coolest and most unique features of the game. It allows you to pull off operations with multiple coordinated elements. Most people never invest the little bit of time required to learn the system. It's really not difficult after a bit of trial and error and makes the campaign far more fun and interesting.
Are Black Ops changes welcome or not? I find the MP5 recoil and accuracy spread to be a bit too much.
>>12924903It was nice when it was just throwing R6 + Rogue Spear and all the expansions together in one package. But not only did he throw out things (no more than 30 terrorists selectable for Terrorist Hunt and Lone Wolf) were he could have just left it alone, but he kept changing so much, weapon characteristics and uniforms. It's getting to look like the Plus patch for VTMB
>>129251781. Rainbow Six Black Ops 2.0 is built on the Black Thorn engine because it is the latest version of the engine that Rogue Spear was built on.2. Weapons are modeled slightly differently in BT than they were in RS, so the weapon characteristics in R6BO were never going to perfectly match RS.3. Many of the original weapon stats were straight up broken, like being able to sprint while zoomed in with the L85. 4. In RS, there were maybe 3 viable weapons in multiplayer. All the others were shit in comparison and never used. In R6BO, it's the opposite, nearly every weapon is viable while still feeling different from each other. Perfectly modeling real life ballistics was never in the cards due to the limitations of the engine, so this is the best compromise.5. The guys working in R6BO definitely put more time and careful consideration into the weapon stats than Red Storm Entertainment did, who had to crank the games out extremely quickly and with very little multiplayer testing. Like I said, the weapon stats were broken and everyone knew that back in '99 (I know because I was there).6. You can still play original RS if you prefer the broken, poorly balanced weapons for nostalgic reasons, nobody is forcing you to play R6BO.
>>12925921>Weapons are modeld diff-That's not what I meant, the modder changed everything as how it works in real life>You don't have to download itIf I wouldn't know better I'd bet you ARE the modder.At least bring back the ability to choose 50 terrorists, don't remove it when the game had it STANDARD >B-but le slowPeolple have the right to choose
>>12918783bro that game is ez stop playing it like a retard lol
>>12925921> You can still play original RS if you prefer the broken, poorly balanced weapons for nostalgic reasonsIf the game had broken poorly balanced weapons, it wouldn't have been a top seller in the running for action game of the year, you annoying shit-head.
>>12926021>If I wouldn't know better I'd bet you ARE the modder.there are several people contributing to the mod these days, I'm not one of them but I do occasionally join MP matches hosted on the discord server.>At least bring back the ability to choose 50 terrorists, don't remove it when the game had it STANDARDYou're begging for something you could easily change yourself by simply editing a text file. >>12926681> If the game had broken poorly balanced weapons, it wouldn't have been a top seller in the running for action gameClearly it would because it did.I was there during the peak Rogue Spear online scene. You clearly were not. We all knew certain weapons were "broken" which is why only a small portion of the available weapons were ever used in online matches.
>>12918783If you want to play a GOOD squad based game check out Star Wars: Republic Commando.
>>12927024the devs of this game have said that Rogue Spear was one of their favorite games and inspired some of Republic CommandoVery different games though. RC is a much more casual game for console players
>>12926982You're talking about multiplayer, where players flock to the most efficient weapons based on isolated competitive matches, just like Halo and people saying the magnum is broken and poorly balanced, when it isn't.>you were clearly not>we all knew certain weapons were brokenNo, you didn't. You knew which weapons were most effective for multiplayer.
>>12927024>if you want to play a GOOD squad based game>posts an inferior onewhat did he meme by this?
>>12926982>You're begging for something you could easily change yourself by simply editing a text fileThe author of the mod (and you) have said the same thing and it DOESN'T WORK
>>12927295Author of the mod abandoned it a long while ago. The new guy supposedly took it off his hands and picked up where the other guy left off, where-as while the original author was concerned with utmost faithfulness to the original, the new guy (who has been modding it for the last 6 or 7 years) is primarily concerned with making it into a sort of "remaster project" which has some people divided.
>>12927448Huh, I thought it was just one person
>>12927494Other people contribute, but the project is mostly in the hands of a single guy.
>>12927024>Slop WarsGrow up.
>>12927024Good game, don't drag it into console-wars-tier bullshit.
>>12922984yeah GR2 is dogshit.however the online multiplayer was incredible. it was like xbox SOCOM.
>>12922398Where do I get this?
>12927578>Slop>Grow upIrony the post
Favorite mission?
>>12931556An odd choice but for me its Deep Magic. It was the first stealth level I played in a video game that felt actually realistic. The building layout is believable and there are only a handful of late night security guards. Feels like something you could actually pull off in real life without ninja skills unlike most stealth games.I played a lot more of Rogue Spear and for that one I would definitely choose one of the action-heavy missions, but for original R6 Deep Magic was the most memorable.
>>12931604I also think it works a lot better as a stealth mission than Yellow Knife.
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