What do you fellas think about retro FFs(FFI-FFVI) and new FF
FF from the original up to and including FFXII is basically the best video game series ever. After that, not so much.
>>12920917Your pic isnt retro
>>12920925I'm not so big FF fan but agree, peak videogame series, I've played only FFII and FFIV
>>12920937I mean FFI-FFVI era when talk about retro
>>12920917After playing DQ 1-4 I played FF1 and I'm not impressed. Fun game, but it's so primitive compared to DQ. Encounter design is also not as fun, and balance is weird. I also think whoever said here that FF1 was balanced around the bugs was right. Now I'm playing FF2, and this time decided to go with a fan patch for bugfixes. I'm still at the beginning and it's so much better than FF1 already that it's kinda crazy. Or at least more ambitious, I dunno if it's truly better yet. I vaguely remember playing and liking FF7 and then FF4 on the PSX as a kid, but will have to play them again as I don't remember much.
I like most of them to varying degrees up to 9 where I stopped playing. 3, 6 and 9 are my favorites. 3 is old school rpg perfection and to me the true sequel to the first. 6 is beside Lunar 2 and PS4 as the best rpgs of the era and is fantastic. 9 is a delightful mix of the old and new. I thought I was going to hate it, ended up loving it. 1 still leaves a bad taste in my mouth from NES deleting games, but it's okay as a first outing. 2 has promise as proto SaGa but too broken and tedious to be fun. 4 just never liked at all, tried every version and never finished one. 7 was good but over hyped. 8 has great systems but some of the most annoying characters ever. 5 I'm trying to get into yet again but something about it always bores me, but we'll see. That's my hot takes.
>>12920971damn yes, FFII is much better than FFI and I like it but never completed it, now I'm playing FFIV and it's cool game too
>>12920971FF1 is the most well balanced of the entire series though. But yes, the DQ series have better combat and better balanced as a whole. The more RPGs I play, the more I respect DQ2/3/4 for this because nothing else compares.FF2 is notable for its story, being the first to do things differently. The story isn't fantasy for the sake of fantasy, instead it takes a backdrop and it's about teenagers entangled in war between two factions and the magic stuff is merely a backdrop. I can't think of any other RPG that did this before FF2 and it became the basis for so many games in the series without mentionning other RPGs. I don't think it gets enough credit for this because the west only started to play it in the late 90's.
>>12921029When I say balance is weird, I mean things like: my wizard couldn't do much in the early game, was really useful in the mid game, but by the endgame every other class could use the useful spells or use items that cast spells. Overall it's like if I wanted to grind a little or endure a hard early game, I'd be better off making a party full of fighters with maybe a red mage and it would be enough. Difficulty curve is also all over the place. I had more difficulty with the marsh cave than with any of the elemental dungeons
>>12920917I'm a zoomer, can't play any FF past 6 and I feel like that's a problem but the games after just don't hit the same. 1-6 are fucking masterpieces, even 2 because it was really unique and ambitious but around 7-10 it just got stale and didn't feel like Square's classic genre pioneering days. Final Fantasy V was the peak, one of the best Job systems in any JRPG.
>>12920937But that's the PS1 version.
>>12921038Mages have more magic points and have access to higher end spells. Items that cast magic are mid level which falls behind in the late gameThe problem with a physical attackers focused party is you don't have anything to wipe out huge hoards of enemies at onceWith that said yes many people claim mages suck. I don't agree with it personally. I wouldn't want to face a huge hoard of enemies that can paralyze or stone me one at a time.
>>12921056>With that said yes many people claim mages suck.who says this? mages are almost essential for any party, status aliments, buffs, AOE spells, all make the journey possible.
>>129209171 is fun but forgettable2 is fun but too easy3 is comfy but 5 is the finished version4 is too scripted5 is fun but broke it with time mages and dont care to go back6 filtered me and has too much junk to be enjoyableps1 era is peak ff
>>12921038>>12921056Especially in the original version fighter is the best class. Famously 4 fighters is the fastest party to speed run with as well as the fastest to solo. Thief which is worst by far is the only class that can't solo the game.
>>12921056>Mages have more magic points and have access to higher end spells.Yes but I don't think those spells were that useful by endgame. Hell, I beat it at level 25, which I got at the final dungeon. I couldn't even cast nuke when I got to Chaos. For anything I might need spells for my red wizard was enough, even the ninja could cast aoe spells.>The problem with a physical attackers focused party is you don't have anything to wipe out huge hoards of enemies at onceRed mage, zeus gauntlet. That said, yes in the early game this is where wizards are useful. That's why I said "if I wanted to grind a little or endure a hard early game".>I wouldn't want to face a huge hoard of enemies that can paralyze or stone me one at a time.For those I'd just run away most of the time. Too risky to fight.
>>12921074>3 is comfy but 5 is the finished version>5 is fun but broke it with time mages Why is 5 the finished version when it's broken and easy, compared to 3 which is a consistent challenge with a rocking gauntlet end dungeon?
>>12921091>compared to 3 which is a consistent challenge with a rocking gauntlet end dungeon?most of the jobs in 3 fucking suck, while all the jobs in 5 are not only fun but viable and all have their uses. CoD almost requires the double sage double ninja combo.
>>12921091V is not broken but more complete with more jobs but it can be broken very easy with those jobs3 is not a challenge to me with the jobs you can get at the endall the pre 7 ffs feel like beta projects where the post 2d ones are complete worlds but they have their problems of their own. There are better 2d jrpgs then 1-6 ff.
I think retro FF includes the PS1 games and FFX on the PS2. I would divide the games by when Sakaguchi was around, pre-merger (so up to 2003) and then after.
>>12920971>After playing DQ 1-4 I played FF1 and I'm not impressedI felt the same way, but in reverse. After playing DQ III and IV, I played FF 1 and found it to be a major improvement in all regards, was shocked to learn it actually came out earlier.
>>12921134>was shocked to learn it actually came out earlier.It came out 2 months before DQ3, but a year after DQ2, and it wouldn't have exited without it. FF1's entire design is about subverting the tropes (like how the game is set up to be "save the princess" but as it turns out that's only the intro; when entire games would be about that) including what DQ2 didAlso, DQ3 had an almost year long marketing campaign weekly in Famitsu, the fact that it was going to have classes was known for a long time before it came out; so it's not hard to see why FF1 went for that too
>>12921047No it isn't.
>>12920917all jrpg's (DQ-likes) are unplayable once you have skill. they become movie game slogs.
>>12921134>major improvement in all regardsDQ enemies do things like reduce your defense, increase evasion, etc. Most FF1 normal encounters are just stat checks. FF1 towns don't let you enter buildings. FF1 dialogue is limited to a baffling single textbox for every NPC, making for a very funny final battle where the main villain has to walk backwards after every line he speaks to count as a different NPC to get a new text box, otherwise he couldn't do exposition. Then you have all the buggy spells and items. I also don't like the graphics as much outside of battle, they look less detailed than DQ3's.
>>12921162Do self imposed challenges. DQ11 has them built in, things like: you can't use shops, you can't equip armor, if the main character dies it's a game over. Do those.
>>12921165> FF1 dialogue is limited to a baffling single textbox for every NPC, making for a very funny final battle where the main villain has to walk backwards after every line he speaks to count as a different NPC to get a new text box, otherwise he couldn't do exposition.For me it's the group of 12 sages. This shit is hilarious once you noticed it.
>>12921168I already beat that game. I slogged through it a few years ago because I was learning Japanese. I did some nuzlocke runs a couple of times but now I've come to terms that the genre just isn't designed for me.
>>12921181Try The 7th Saga for the SNES. Probably the toughest JRPG ever. It's heavy on the gameplay and light on the story, if you're worried about it being a movie.
>>12921202>Try The 7th Saga for the SNES. Probably the toughest JRPG ever.Yeah nah, it's challenging but that game's difficulty was massively overhyped due to the fact that it actually released in the US. Just on top of my head, Shinsenden and Deep Dungeon III on Famicom are harder.
>>12921202>>12921207both mogged by the rats in romancing saga 3
>>12921165>Then you have all the buggy spells and itemsI don’t understand how one can bring this up in a comparison between DQ and FF. The parry bug in DQ III is more game breaking than any bug in any of the Famicom FF titles.
>>12921096There are a bunch of decent jobs, I usually even keep a thief even though they're not that strong just csuse I like stealing. >>12921101I haven't finished 5 yet, but from everything I've heard the end game jobs are pretty broken. Whereas yeah you can do just sages and ninjas, you certainly don't have to and having the end boss actually be a challenge is a bonus to me. We'll see though, I plan to give 5 another go at any rate.
>>12921224>I plan to give 5 another go at any rate.you should try the four job fiesta challenge, will definitely make you appreciate how refined 5's jobs are imo.
>>12921217The parry bug is something you might play and not even discover. After you discover it, abusing it is a choice. Meanwhile in FF1, you equip the fire sword thinking it's gonna deal extra fire damage, and use the TMPR spell to further increase your damage, yet both the TMPR spell and weapon elemental damages are bugged and don't work, so you just wasted your time.
>>12921252>accidentaly creates too many characters in DQ3Checkmate
Dungeon Antiqua is a pretty good Classic Fantasy subsitute
>>12921228Neo Exdeath is the coolest looking final boss ever. In all of his forms.
>>12921207Sure, Shinsenden and Deep Dungeon are tougher, but those are kusoge. You might as well recommend Hoshi Wo Miru Hito at that point since that's even tougher. The 7th Saga is the toughest JRPG that's actually fun.
>>12921382You haven't played them
>>12920917FF I-VI+XI are the only FF games worth playing, to be honest.Everything else is just cinematic slop made for "general audience" composed out of drooling retards. Sadly for Squeenix, these glorified amoebas can count only to 7.
>>12921405idk is thaat true or not cuz I have played only FFII FFIV and a little bit FFI, but really new FFs and FFVII Crisis Core are bad
>>12920917FF became good from 7 onwards
>>12921429If you like movie games, sure.
>>12920917Final Fantasy 1 is still one of the greatest RPGs ever made, but a retarded fucking remake baby like you would never know because you played a broken version.
>>12922173>Final Fantasy 1 is still one of the greatest RPGs ever madeabsolutely not
>>12922173>Final Fantasy 1 is still one of the greatest RPGs ever madeFF1 is not so bad but anyway FFIII or FFIV or FFVI will be better
>>12921350Never played FFV but Neo looks really cool
>>12921228Honestly, it makes the game seem less interesting to me, not more. I highly doubt I'll play it more than once so I don't want to restict myself to just a few randomly decided jobs. But at the same time, knowing that any random party can beat the game makes it sound like there's not a lot of challenge there.
>>12921228You sneaky bastard. You posted my dudes.
>>12921082Thief can solo the game, you need to stat max though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4bTU7ztrGw
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>>12925038>No one touches my princess!maybe you wanted to say "no one touches my virginity?"
>>12921047It’s the psp version. Ps1 version uses wonderswan sprites. Ps1 looks the best, not too bright but not too dark. Perfect on a crt.
>>129272648-bit Theater...
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>>12926896>>12921228How did you heal, break Fire Rods?
>>12921042Show me your retro collection composed of 90% Nintendo stuff
