I'm about halfway through Metal Max Returns, so far I'm enjoying it. The vehicle/on foot modes are kind of neat even if the game hasn't really combined the two all that well so far.Does the rest of the series improve on that any? I'd like the concept and the setting, but I don't think I'd want to play another barebones RPG in the same vein.
Metal Saga remains pretty basic and can get annoying to play with its inventory management.3 gives more control over party customization and adds new classes and motorcycles.2R gives total control over party customization and adds subclassing.
>>3953595Hope this helps.
>>39536253 and 2R sounds more like what I'm looking for.>>3953672I'm surprised how detailed the weapons are for the game, every single one has its own sprite it seems.
>>3953820That’s the charm. It’s also probably the most difficult SNES game to 100%
>>3953888>It’s also probably the most difficult SNES game to 100%Nani?
>>39538203 is kind of shitty but 2R is the best in the series.
I like XR.Got it on sale, didn't regret a single hour
>>3953929Very very low drop rate items.
>>3954088And one is timed to a event
>>3953595Play Metal Saga PS2 after this. And yes, the mechanica keep improving.
>>3954114Art
>>3953888Fair but your easy level tricks here include:>buying hollow charge shells>farming red peony vulcans thru at-grizzlies near canabelle and ghost base>using the east-west subway to skip large map sections>>3954108The lipstick? Sheesh.
>>3954042The only good thing the Xeno games did was finally giving us a playable and customizable Rommel Ghost, and I guess the general tank design was not terrible, I did like the Mario/Bisonte lines as well, outside of that they're HnK tier kusoge.
>>3954391Disagree, I loved a lot about the game. It looks like you're posting the Vita version of Xeno, but I'm specifically talking about Xeno Reborn on Steam which is different.>RTWP combat is fast paced and fun, and lets me one-shot weak enemies before an encounter and get the drop on bosses if I approach right. Positioning can also change a lot if you take advantage of terrain.>Exploration of the overworld is nice and rewarding, lots of nooks and crannies and treasures to find>Customization on the tanks can let you do some wacky shit once you figure out the stat scaling and get through a couple of NG+ runs>Music is absolutely bangingMy only real gripe is that there just wasn't more of it to play. What's there is great, it's just too short.
>>3954396Reborn is an asset flip that got rid of the godawful story of the original but didn't fix the godawful everything else, it just swapped the classic turn based system for RTwP and added Pochi, it did not fix the shitty cast, it did not fix the terrible setting, it was just a slightly differently flavour of bad that kept going offbrand for some reason.Hell Reborn as a whole was largely made to apologize for the absolute shitshow that was OG Xeno and to salvage some money, I think they managed to get more good will with Metal Dogs than with either Xeno entries but so far the series is all but dead after that massive mistake.>>Music is absolutely bangingIt's okay but it's 90% remixes of tracks from old MM games, the standard battle theme remix from MM3 is not even a new remix but a cut from a medley from an old MM arrange album, Reborn added some new tracks but outside of the SoNS theme they're all still incredibly mid and lazy beyond belief, only good thing I can say about it is that Unforedoomed is pretty good as a vocal theme? Not as catchy as Crying Sun but I liked it, for everything else Kadokura largely phoned it in as he was probably being paid in instant ramen.
>>3954401Oh yeah and I did like the bosses' visual design, Yamamoto's still a god when it comes to mechanical stuff and outside of the nostalgic cameos from the older games like Hind Dog or Yojimborg they had some real nice new stuff going like Dora or MechDonald which were pretty fucking cool, credits where it's due and all that.
>>3954368It’s still hard though
>>3954406>>3954396It's one of those games I wish had an infinite NG+
>>3954022
>>3954546Easiest metal max game?
>>39557201. Smoke shells completely destroy the game.
>>3953595>Does the rest of the series improve on that any?Metal Max is a series that doesn't get any improvements, since it already achieved perfection in its first outing. Any deviations are for the worse.
>>3955787Xenogears A shit
>>3954042>Xeno RebornI've heard nothing but people shitting on that game.
>>3955734>1. Smoke shells completely destr-ENTER
>>3955806Same, but I got it on sale and fell on love with it. Maybe it just hits all the right notes for me. I have put a hundred hours easy into optimizing the characters and tanks, and trying different weapon combos and loadouts. The structure makes it easy to just jump in and play without needing to keep track of subplots and side quests and such.I understand it lacks a lot of what people like about the series, but being the only MM game i have played so far I dont have those preconceptions.
>>39557872 (SFC) is the best though
>>3955846Do they have the english translation ready? The only Metal Max 2 that has a fan translation is 2R. Man, they're hard to finish maybe because of the mods or weapon paths that make for a mental softlock, sheesh.
>>3956240No, and I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you. It's never going to happen unless someone else translates the game.
>>3956440
>>3956761>>3956240>>3954835Which one is which game?
>>3956767The first is 3, second is original 2, third is 2R
>>3956771Actually, I’m not sure the middle, but here is more from Saga
>>3956772man I don't remember half of these trucks, I'm not sure I ever saw the bus or fire truck
>>3956787This is nes mod, iirc
>>3956772I have to give MS another shot
>>3956800It's pretty tedious.
>>3956902Indeed, but…TANKS!
mm4 news?at this rate we will get decades long NEVER EVER project XS 1+2 before "95% complete" mm4
>>3956932Wasn't the discord in charge of that chinese-derived fangame and the translators for MM4 currently defunct? Tried to check out their discord only to see that the stopped production and disbanded.>>3956794Metal Max mod to the metal max 2 game?
>>3956932I used Retroarch's AI translation (ztranslate) to play that years ago and it worked surprisingly well with that game, one of the games where I got the best results with it.. protip multi hit weapons like in 3 and 2R aren't the most powerful thing in this game
>>3957109Yes
>>3957202They had three store weapon types in both games. I wonder which types are the best to 100% both games.
>>3957453>AnimeMetalMax (20)What's with the filenames? Anyways that's an intense looking triple-barrelled maus
>>3958473I have 2.7k images I’ve collected of shit over the years on here. Sorry, big on organization
>>3958473>Anyways that's an intense looking triple-barrelled mausIt's the Ochibi-chan from the Xeno games.You'd think a tank with 14 cannon slots would mean Cannon Rush would absolutely fuck but sadly most of those cannons are too small to do much of anything on most enemies and it's much better to pick some other model with free slots and slap as many heavy cannons, possibly Dora's, and you'll have a much more effective Cannon Rush platform.Really cool design though.
>>3958489Dump em, my MM folder is sad>>3957202I didn't know you could do that, might need to set it up so I can finally play this one
>>3958703Ok, also why is 4s story so…out there? I know it kinda ties in to NOAH but, yeah.
>>3958737No idea what the story is, I'll judge when I finally play it
>>3958738Fair enough
>>3958793Fun game
>>3958799Post apocalypse done fun!
never...ever...
>>3956922This shot has got me thinking Chrome Hounds more than anything
If anyone is interested, the new Mad Max game actually focuses on a customizable car and vehicle that kind of feels closer to Metal Max in spirit than I expected
>>3959037*vehicle combat
>>3959012They turned back project site againJust hodl...
What is the arch narrative of MM. something NOAH, nukes world, EVERYTHING is trying to kill humanity?
>>3959184It's simple really>At some point in time Bias Vlad and a bunch of other people create NOAH>NOAH goes rogue (allegedly) trying to figure out a way to save the planet's environment, all answers lead to humans bad>NOAH nukes the entire fucking planet and unleashes a bunch of bots and altered organism on the planet to hunt down the remnants of humanity because humans bad>(You) are hereEverything branches off this, MM1 was about one lone kid accidentally finding and destroying NOAH (also Red Wolf something something), MM2 was about Bias Vlad's fuckery finally catching up to him, MM3 is some random adventure about mutant furry mafia and so on.There's some specific entries like Metal Saga and Hagane no Kizetsu which are specifically tied to the NOAH continuity from MM1, Xeno is an AU universe which is still based around NOAH, but outside of that and by extension Bias Vlad there's no unifying narrative.
>>3954835 MM2R>>3956761 MM3>>3958737 MM4You got the side views for all those vehicles?
>>3959199Sorry, no
>>3959192MM3 takes place in Not America and deals with one of the scientist contemporaries of Vlad. A nutter called Grattanos who is trying to kill the family of his old crush who live in a Not Vault
>>3959297Was the hypercuck actually one of Vlad's buddies?It's been years since I last played 3 so I don't remember some of the finer details about Gluttonous/Gratonos' backstory, probably because like most people I was half lobotomized by Cola being such a fucking Karen.
>>3959037I like that game too but you're genuinely fucking insane to compare it to Metal Max.
>>3959304Karen? No, Cola was worse than a Karen. Bitch qualified as the real antagonist of the game!
>>3959173link?
>>3959626>customizable vehicle combat in a post apocalyptic wasteland fighting marauders, mutants and other tricked out death machines>The franchise that obviously inspired Metal Max in the first placeOh yes, zero connection at all there
>>3959691Now you're just being an obnoxious retard.No one wants to talk about a generic open world game with Bamham combat here.
>>3959745NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>3959903Ok, better?
>>3956787Bus is from the desert, the fire truck is from an auction after killing the Krak Cannon from Dowan btw.>>3959691As much as I like vehicular combat in the post-apocalypse, the turn-based aspect of metal max just hits different, you know? It's like having a power armor and a cool transport rolled into one, and it's like when turnbased rpgs implement a mount suitable for combat. Good stuff.>>3957202>AI translated MM4Is it any good? Also had used the metalmaniax for a translated guide, hope it doesn't softlock me haha
>>3960210Tank motorcycle?
>>3961648By the time this thing showed up my final party was pretty much set.Think that happened in every game except 1R and Metal Saga.
>>3961829Same, I think I used just the Wildbus and Fulsand and probably stopped when I got no more clues for the end of the MM2R game. Also remembeed there were quite some moneymakers aside from the bang bang tanks minigame, and I think it's from those tortoises roaming on that one plateau or alcove near the diving hut iirc
>>3961648God, I love Yamamoto's mechanical designs.He's underrated as fuck
>>3962034
Metal Max 4 more like Metal Max Poor
>>3961648The fact that you can pile the entire party into one super optimized car in MM2R makes the single seaters pretty worthless
>>3962689Concept is neat though. Not sure if feasible though.
>>3962689Except when it doesn't like you having to deal with Bullfrog and his ability to instantly wreck your vehicle.
>>3962810>bullfrog surviving like 40 wrecking ball hits a turn
About to start 2 Reloaded, any tips?It's my first MM besides XR
>>3962847You can shortcut bind items, make sure to bind the metal detector style items and use them regularly, there's a shitload of hidden stuff.Quests are actually high priority here and you can get good rewards from them.Fleeing is really really strong.
>>3962853>Fleeing is really really strong.Thanks, I would not have considered that. My usual MO for RPGs is to fight every encounter no matter what
>>3962862A true grinder, rare anymore, kudos anon.
>>3962689Eh, the games are not really hard enough to push you in one direction or another, one seaters are perfectly fine.>>3962847You should play Returns first so the story twists hit harder.
>>3962922>You should play Returns first so the story twists hit harder.Huh?
>>3962927Metal Max 2 expands on a major plot point from Metal Max 1 and the Metal Max universe at large, so if you don't play the first one you kind of miss on that and the overall build up and reveal don't really hit as hard as they should.Granted we did sort of spoil it earlier in the thread but still.
>>3962929I honestly don't remember anything about Vlad or his company from the first game, but granted it's been over a decade since I played it to completion. Maybe mentioned on a random terminal or logo somewhere but nothing major.I think the overview at the start of 2R is good enough.
>>3962940There's a minor, indirect hint in the weather station log about the scientist that notes how NOAH is going rogue for reasons nobody can explain, that is eventually fully explained by Vlad himself in MM2 after the initial teasing you get in the Vlad museum.One of the few things I liked about Xeno is that they sort of referenced this in the original game and mirrored a setup that ultimately doesn't pay off as Reborn just trashed that entirely and there's no equivalent showdown in that continuity.
So, who is responsible for NOAH, itself or Vlads vanity? Also, played 4 if anyone wants plot.
>>3963012It was Vlad, NOAH was created by Vlad Corp. as a super AI tasked with the objective of finding a way to save earth's environment, Vlad himself spearheaded the project because he was a hardcore environmentalist and the closest thing the world had to Tony Stark.Vlad also had a total midlife meltdown the moment he found out he was suffering from an incurable genetic disease and decided to let the world burn because he was a massive narcissist, he took off NOAH's harnesses and manipulated the data fed into NOAH to force it to the conclusion that humanity was the problem, NOAH went full Skynet, Vlad uploaded his mind into the supercomputer beneath Bias City and the rest is history.He sort of predates Mr. House from Fallout 3 when you think about, he's just way more unhinged and directly responsible for all the bad shit going on with the world.
>>3963085Ah. Well, 3 ties into this sort of. Takes place in another continent though. Gratonos is a mad scientist who’s specialized in genes. He was NOT a contemporary of Vlad though they did live at the same time. Grats had a love for a girl from a wealthy family by the name of King that put all their money into a defense shelter that was NOT a vault, but far nicer. Something happened and the girl gets killed and the King family blames Grats for it. Grats gets left out to fend for himself, but swears vengeance on the King family. He becomes biologically immortal either by way of NOAHs fuckery, himself, or both. You, Drumcan, as that’s the default name, are one of his chimeras. His goal is to get Jaganath up and running, a railgun built into a sub that was one of the 4 Great Weapons to confront NOAH. Please correct me if I have missed anything.
>>3963085>Vlad also had a total midlife meltdown the moment he found out he was suffering from an incurable genetic disease and decided to let the world burn because he was a massive narcissist, he took off NOAH's harnesses and manipulated the data fed into NOAH to force it to the conclusion that humanity was the problemWhich game is this from? From the first game I only remember NOAH making the decision on its own
>>3962847man, it's a really great gameif you want information like item lists go to the jap "metalmaniax" website and use google translate
>>3963181First part is definitely 2R but I don't remember the false data angle.
does metal max work like oriental blue where quests fail and shit if you wait too long
>>39636382R has a quest with a different outcome (you still get a reward) if you take too long. I'm not sure if the game determines "too long" based on game time, number of encounters, or inn stays, but regardless I know the timer only starts after you actually accept the quest.>>3953595>but I don't think I'd want to play another barebones RPG in the same vein.What do you mean by "baebones" exactly?If you mean a lack of a strong central narrative/story scenes, then be careful what you wish for. 3 has more of a story focus and the later half of the game end up sucking because getting railroaded.If you mean you want something to do other than travel to the next town/dungeon and fight Wanted, then yes later games add more varieties of quest, complete with dialogue options for things like negotiating rewards or resolving them in alternate ways.If you mean mechanically, then Returns is already not barebones, it's just easy so you don't really have to engage with any possible complexity.Like, the average player isn't going to even figure out how to use an intercept system or configure their towed tank to provide fire support, nor are they going to do things like cover their face with a cloth item to protect against gas attacks, or find out they can upload programs onto their BS Con like the one that lets you call an orbital laser when outdoors and on foot.
How does Saga stand in the series? Worth starting with?
>>3963707It was my first experience with the series because it was the first released outside of Japan.Inventory management is a little tedious but if you can get over that it's good. The built in speed up for combat really helps.Somewhat related: I went back to 1R today and decided pretty early to drop it because the encounter rate is pretty egregious.
>>3963638Returns does with the lipstick if you are shooting for 100%
>>3963700What is the Annihilation Program/Program NOAH on the best CPU?
so is 4 now the only untranslated entry besides like... some of the non remakes?
>>3963721it makes the tank go Berserk basically.oh, and you can't switch it off once it's on.
>>3963726Yes
Has anyone ever done a no tank run of 2R?
>>3963777Can it be done?
What classes do you guys recommend for 2 Reloaded?
>>3963726There's metal saga on ds tooIt's rather shit game doeThere was also some phone(java?) game mm which is lost media now
>>3963820You can get 2 per character so no point in overthinking itI usually just go hunter for mc and keep og mechanic and hunter companions
>>3963818Presumably. I don't remember if it had any tank specific puzzles.>>3963820I ran with Hunter/Soldier/Nurse the whole game. Switched subclasses as needed.
>>3963833Og mechanic and soldier*
>>3963831The phone games was supposed to be a direct sequel to the first game.
>>3963777I did a no tank run in the original gameI tried doing the same in Returns and I got obliterated by the final boss. I know some Japanese people have done it but I don't know how. However, Returns is great for all kinds of fun runs like protagonist solo run or rental tank only run
Who is the best protag
>>3964384What is that boomer Red Wolf doing with the kids
>>3964384Certainty not 4s
What is the difference between the Max and Saga games? Is it like a SMT/Persona situation?
>>3964432To a degree. Max is the main continuity. Saga is a reinterpretation.
>>3964432Long story short>Metal Max was published by Data East, they also owned the rights to the brand>Data East goes under, Miyaoka &Co. lose the rights to the franchise>They create Metal Saga since they can't use the Metal Max brand, Saga is a separate continuity>Eventually manage to buy back the rights to Metal Max, Metal Saga is pseudo-shelvedThink of Saga as a "what if" continuity that is still based on the world established by the first Metal Max.
>>3964384Pochi and the one from 2
>>3963820wrestlers and soldiers have colossally better stats than the other classes and on-foot fighting is much more locked down and hard to overpower with autistic vehicle builds and so on, and you have to do quite a bit of it. So IMO the power build is to have 3-4 soldiers or wrestlers and put the good secondary jobs like mechanic or nurse on them.You can just get a default artist and put them on the team temporarily to make a stack of special ammo if you want it instead of carrying them around permanently.
>>3964919*even if you don't want to be that extreme, definitely have at least 2 soldiers or wrestlers. The game was built on the MM3 system and the MC of that game is basically a soldier and hunter rolled into one, so the game expected you to always have him plus probably another foot specialist.
>>3964921I think that's overdoing it. Double up on classes just means you'll have even less unique equipment to take advantage of.
>>3965478Rarest drops or best weapons in 2R and 3 please?
>>3965478The second best weapon a soldier can equip is better than the best weapon any other class can equip. Plus there is a lot of unlimited soldier gear like sexy swords and rocket punches so they can put it in all their weapon slots and do all out attacks.
>>3964919What kind of special ammo? I heard of the APFSDS for that armor piercing like the Hollow Charge from MMR
>>3965478Soldiers have access to all the best weapons because they're the specialized weapon user class while Wrestlers don't need any, most weapons in the game aren't particularly worth it and Soldiers get to use all the best ones by design, in fact with multiple soldiers you'll actually have a lot more unique equipment to use because other classes don't really get anything special that soldiers can't use.It's overdoing it because a single Wrestler can take care of any boss you're forced to fight on foot, a soldier and a wrestler just steamroll and multiple wrestlers or soldiers is total overkill.
>>3965540cement rounds are the big one. they're this massive evasion debuff and in MM evasion is both about hitting and missing and how much damage you do when you do hit. And they're very easy and cheap to make and you get them at a low level and you can reach that in no time with a temp cahracter, so if you refuse to use temporary artists to make them it makes someone having the artist skill set explode in value.
Pretty based that MS lets you romance your little sister.
>>3965763And your mom.
>>3965751You don't even need to change characters to have a temporary artist for cement rounds. Just one guy can have the artist set at a low level and switch to it on the fly whenever you want to make more.
Shit... so I got my buggy wrecked and I got killed at a trader camp by some barbarians, then revived back at the junkyard. Where is my buggy? Do I have to hoof it all the way back to that camp?
>>3965851You can usually pay a mechanic in town to retrieve vehicles.
>>3965851You can either pay a merchant to retrieve your buggy from anywhere in any condition, or you can rent a vehicle and drive there and tow it to a shop yourself. The price for retrieval is not bad at all so the latter is mostly something you do to be hardcore.
>>3965863>>3965857Thanks, but in looking for that info I found out I missed out on a few quests by getting killed there, so I'm just reloading my last save. Oh well, that's what I get for exploring I guess
>>3965872No harm in playing in one of the first JRPG sandbox’s
>>3965872I wouldn't worry about it too much.>>3965966He's talking about Metal Saga.
>>3966035Gotta start somewhere
>>3966035>Metal SagaUsually on the newgames I beeline for that casino minigame (abuse the savestating) in that train link between the West and East continent from Alice One. Also unearthing tanks like the Merkava and doing that Maus unlock quest to go around the map. Hope the store bought weapons in the last settlement helps carry the gang into the final boss, but I feel like I fall short of that final dungeon.
>>3954401Xeno Reborn did at least add the gynoid girl as a party member and give her a romance ending, so I appreciated that
>>3966409Two thing missing that would make it a damn good MM game. Towns and People.
>>3966423True. And more vehicle types would have been nice, motorcycles are fun to have in the games that have had them after all. Also it would have been nice if it had at least as much story as 1 or 2, without it being the disappointing story from regular Xeno.
>>3966423>>3966463More vehicle types would have been nice, I was jealous seeing the bikes and the cop car from other games in the series (4?). But I really like the Rommel Ghost and the spider tank, those are sweet. I really like the driving and the rtwp combat. I'm the anon playing Metal Saga right now and I do miss being able to jump over sand dunes and manually take out weaker enemies from range. The game is fun so far, I can't say it has much more going on story or character-wise than XR at this point though.
>>3965821Was the hunter in MS an only child? Off tangent, you can only dress up the lady party members? I remembered the bunny suit but what are the other costumes?
>>3966588He has a sister just like the Hunter from the original.You could give the costumes to a ton of characters.
>>3966597
what order should i play the metal maxes in
>>3966641returnssaga3 (the end kinda sucks)reloadedHOWEVERBEIT if you only play one play reloaded, it's the best
>>3966641Returns -> Metal Saga -> 3 (but don't be afraid to drop it when it starts to suck) -> 2R
>>3966664>>3966667Especially feel free to drop 3 if you hate it because it burning you out for 2R, which is a seriously amazing game, would really suck
>>3966598>Waitress, Ballgown, Qipao, Baroness>Bunnysuit, Maid, Swimsuit, Kimono, MikoLovely, lol. Nice to see that MS is also a minor dressup game, lol. Too bad it's not applicable to their in-party sprites, well at least that mechanic girl and the gunner girl at least. Also, didn't see the robot girl in both those fashion pages, surely she has outfits of her own ingame?
1, 2, Returns, Saga (PS2), 3, 2R, 4, pretend the rest doesn't exist
>>3966553>The game is fun so far, I can't say it has much more going on story or character-wise than XR at this point though.The first Metal Saga was the game that started the trend of having actual stories for the playable cast, so if you expected the same degree of yapping between characters as Xeno you're just not going to get it.Me, I vastly prefer the DQ3 style silent party of nobodies that the mainline has honestly, so I tend to dislike the Saga style writing which Xeno also has, but I can understand being disappointed with Metal Saga coming from Xeno when it comes to that.
>>3953595>returnscurrently using it as my fidget game, seeing the g go up is the best feeling, lol source of webm related here: >>590150
>>3966641Returns then 2R. You can fill in all the lesser games after that. Returns is a nice simplified intro to MM that won't roast your brain with excessive options, then 2R is fun option overload
>>3966597>>3966598>You can give dresses to CarlWHAT
>>39666411 > 2 > MS, then stop
>>3967310Carl apparently, is effeminate. Dunno what relationship he has with the hunter, but being able to gift him girl clothes, very progressive that metal saga.>>3966841Was there an English Translated Patch ready for the SNES version of MM2? Not unless you have any recommendations for an AI translate or machine translation tool to help with said JP to EN
>>3967563No TL, it's just typical 4chan posers. The kind of people that actually learn japanese are ashamed of using it to play old JRPGs so they don't use it to brag
>>3967569>T. Eslking who's buttbuddies with faggotgenesis when someone wants to do an mtl translation.
>>3967563>Was there an English Translated Patch ready for the SNES version of MM2? No, but the more we talk about it and the more a Princess Crown situation might happen.AI translation doesn't work well with it either because of the way dialogue is embedded within the main menu so the AI gets confused by that.
>>3967589>Princess Crown situationThat does sound quite optimistic, was expecting a sort of manual transcribing (hassle) to play it. Anyways, hoping to play it once the translation's accessible, and playing mm2r seems like there's plenty deviations and extra content compared to the base mm2. But at least they still got this nifty (and wacky) hind-looking thing. How I only wished to see a spin with the metal max experience, perhaps with torpedo boats or helicopters, lol.
In MS is there any reason to NOT just equip every tank with the best engine and c-unit available?
>>3967933If it's not available in stores like that last town? I forgot it's name but it looked like a sorta trench town
>>3967112Glad that the East West Subway from Freeza leads directly to Sol and Cannabelle for that. The Big Cannon miniboss (was it after recruiting the rich boy mechanic?) it real sucks, war of attrition kinda thing.
>>3967112Biggest complaint so far? That bitch and Red Wolf.
>>3969414Is that the one where the dogs mangle her once she escapes? Sucks, but Red Wolf himself ain't nice, even when he gives us the Mosquito, lol.
>>3969685No. The one that betrayed him to Gomez.
>>3953672Now I wish I got the Metal Max Returns enemy spritesheet. Surprised there's a comprehensive spritesheet for metal max 2 though.>>3969829Oh that spoiler, right. I need to try out and redo MMR again haha
>>3970449True, protag just stands there like you bitch! Anyway, got his tank
>>3970458>Protag shows up lateMan, red wolf himself is destined to die :( he'd be a cool hunter-soldier hybrid if he were recruitable. Like his gf, he ain't a fortunate son... >Red wolf the tankAlmost always the best endgame tank trio are just the whitemuu, that red tank, and the 12501G abrams, so I just load 'em up with hollow charges and got rid of all wanteds and story bosses. Hope there's an easy-level comp for the other metal maxes and metal saga!
>>3967667>helicoptersClosest we've got is the air battles from Skies of Arcadia and Nostalgia with the airships. having a jetpack for the on-foot combat would be pretty swell.
I want to make a MM-like, but in a different setting. No idea how to handle the in-out vehicle combat, might just omit that part and make on-foot and driving battles/sections completely separate and no switching in battle.
>>3970922That sounds kind of lame.
>>3971214Yeah, the spectacle of Metal Max is to use and not use vehicles as mounts and weapons and armor in battle.
>>3971615>>3971214Disagree. Controlling vehicles is the apoeal to me, not being able to get out of them. Reminds me of the people who want a gundam game where you can get out of the gundam and run around Like why? Just play CoD
>>3967963Hell's Keep. On that tangent, I also saw the flying battleship Tiamat, can it be used like an airship?
>>3971640Imo rpg stories need to be able to threaten your little meat characters independently from when they are fully prepped in their tanks
>>3970919I beat this game 11 years ago, it sucked balls
>>3971640The feeling of power from driving the tank is better sold if there's contrast to how weak you are when out of it.
>>3972001Yup, I just watched the 100% walkthrough instead. labyrinthian dungies do suck, but I think it's worse there in Nostalgia compared to the Metal Maxes (well, at least the ones with the fan translations.)>>3972025Guess to balance their viability, it would be the fuel and armor costs, and also surprised that they locked out healing your tanks to sticking metal plates only accessible after battle. If it weren't for the tank traps, having the ability to heal and replenish ammo in your tanks (on top of having a x99 item cap) would definitely make the game crazy easy (without mentioning the shellspam from hollow charges,) at least in the specific case of MMR.
>>3971640That is a completely retarded comparison. Metal Max has always been about the mix of on foot and tank combat. They started leaning into it more with later entries.
>>3972038Maybe they shouldn't have, since every game after 2 sold less than the last.
>>3972040You're retarded.
>>3972038>later entriesI heard in MM3 you can get softlocked if you don't properly optimize the non-rentable vehicles, at least MM2R is reversible. Anyone who had cleared all the side content and final bosses?
>>3973079I don't think you can fuck up so bad as to get softlocked, but yes, chassis mods are irreversible in 3 and some paths up the tree are just worse than others
>>3973079there's absolutely no possible way you get softlocked.
>>3973134>fucked upmy last playthrough had the sunbeam gun, also neglected the vulcan box requirement, and had a hard time getting the scifi from the speed king bounty. So far, my strongest non-rental is pic related, think it had the double engine and could benefit from an all-cannon build + c-unit cannon rush. Will probably try MM3 again if I still remember the easy clears going from Wara, Rusty Maiden, and that Wahananabi Institute.>>3973163If you've got like a guide or pointers for MM3 or MM2R, I'd like to see it, thanks
>>3970516>he'd be a cool hunter-soldier hybrid if he were recruitableI mean, Drumcan sorta kinda is a Red Wolf expy already when you think about it so that goes without saying, only difference is his bitch ain't dead and she stole his goddamn bike
>>3973852the stamp shop is insanely overpowered in both games
>>3973860>his bitchBitch, yes. But after the hell put through, you can be damn straight he isn’t claiming her.
Foe the people who played either, what are your thoughts on kemco's hit-point team metal max clones? Rusted emeth (technically second game) and armed emeth (old but remade).
Sharing crop of a S300 missile striking the MM2 Wanted, Hovering Nora. What an unusual and fierce flying enemy! Cropped from >>>/vg/564543597 thanks!>>3973870It sure is! I like that early engine though, and killing lucky rats for precious metal bars is way better than killing gold ants and gold turtles!>>3974283>Rusted EmethI didn't like its medieval-like aesthetic clashing with their mecha, but I did like that green looking tank thing. I don't think the devs of metal max and metal saga patented and/or trademarked using post-apoc vehicles and military armored fighting vehicles, or afvs, in a turn based battle manner.
>>3974283>Legally distinct Robo
>>3974923The sardine turbo is a nice crutch, great for getting those v6 pegasus + sea hunters + missile boxes and beelining from Caligostro to Moro Poco to Melt Town, getting the saurus engine + anti-grav ball + keep the missile boxes.>recommended shop pattern?I like the pistol pattern for MM2R, vulcan boxxed and the cement shells help with that rhinogon resource guarding azusa and bar thirsty.>early game tips?Bang Bang Tanks in El Nino or that metal eater gold ant in that island below that pochi town is great for gold.
>>3976221I'm more of a double strike + dirty rush (double attack earlier on) guy than a missile box guy.
>>3976221Best weapons for 3 and 2R?
>>39762963 is more about accumulating lots of good tank equipment and loading it on double engine tanks with expensive chassis upgrades that also include a lot of strong built-in weapons. It's honestly more balanced and intentionally designed than 2R. Just get lots of money mainly because stuff like the shrine tank costs a fortune to get a high end chassis upgrade on.in 2R the c-unit properties like double/triple strike are insanely powerful and you can put multiple characters in one tank so they all benefit from your one precious c-unit that has it. One thing that's really noticeable is that only the buggy and the bus can customize their chassis to have a free S-E weapon in the first slot AND are 4-seaters. The first slot is the only slot that benefits from double/triple strike. There are very powerful s-e weapons that ignore interception, have infinite ammo, or have other great properties that greatly benefit from that.
>>3976303I'll be honest: I don't get the appeal of making one super vehicle and loading everyone into it. Way more fun to have multiple vehicles to play around with.
>>3976499I've definitely made 1-per-vehicle a self-imposed rule for a 2R run in the past but an all-pile-in strategy is just stronger, or even only for QoL reasons. To me it's just an element of 2R's total min/max sperging. 3 is the game they really tried to do game design for instead of giving you a bag of candy, but it's kinda bad anyway.
>>3976270>double strike + dirty rushAre those the hunter skills or a S-E that I can equip like the missile box for the S-E Rush?>>3976303>double engine tanks with expensive chassis upgradesI find that MM3 has it easier with having most of its tanks have that double engine boon. Also, IIRC, their money guide was to exploit a faulty code regarding selling infinite shells? Then again:>reversible chassis modifications?>rolling for a shop that sells the sunbeam gun for the vulcan box strategy>>3976303>In MM2R there are very powerful s-e weapons that ignore interception, have infinite ammoMy choice of that best S-E you described was that anti-grav ball from Caterpillar Villa (accessible after beating Caligostro) but I find that:>buggy AND wildbus (even Sentry Motorbike / Fulsand APC) chassis>5 Anti-grav balls (4 agbs / 3 agbs)>all missile boxesThey don't kill platinum carpets and platinum walkers fast enough
>>3976666If you're going to skip using multiple characters per vehicle you can use the supercar, or just get an extra buggy or bus, by buying from the rental shop too after you make them enough money to give you the option.You can mostly get double strike from a passive c-unit ability, and the c-unit that has it is a pretty early stamp shop reward (the Geminizer). It's also an ability you can build into a Bato tank and the default passive of the "Zero" tank chassis. It makes it so every time a weapon in the first weapon slot fires, it does an extra hit. On weapons that naturally fire many times, this actually gives you an extra hit on every single attack. For example, the buggy has an optional built in weapon in slot 1 called the boxer/tyson/demon arm that normally attacks twice, but with double strike will hit four times. Very late in the game you can use the LOVE Machine to get a triple strike C-unit but there's not much left to do with it at that point. And Bato has a postgame quest where a triple strike c-unit is one of the possible rewards.Dirty Rush is an active skill from another stamp shop c-unit (Active Harry) that makes it so from 2-4 times a randomly selected weapon on your tank is fired. If you only have one valid weapon, it will always use that attack. So, you can build a tank where only the weapon in your first slot that benefits from double strike is a valid attack, and you basically get a free quickshot with a double strike weapon every single turn. Every character can hit 6 times with a 1000 damage wrecking ball every turn if you like. Interception-only weapons are not valid attacks for dirty rush, so you can have one and still use this, and weapons that are out of ammo are not valid either so you can still have an empty feather light cannon to fire cement shells and so on (just modify it down to a size 1 magazine so it's not a pain in the ass). A custom Bato tank can have dirty rush built in also.
>>3961854>MM2R Guide>will add this "MM2R Pistol Pattern To Moro Poco Melt Town Vehicle Guide.png"Sweet, having these ideal vehicle builds for that max sandbox experience is pretty neat. What's not neat is the ass drop rates of specific area gated wanted bosses, like that skunks from grappler tower and caligostro from dark canal. Heard their drops are like essential treasures for later quests and bosses.>Got a moneymaking guide?So far I'd recommend the following:>from Mado to El Nino to Hatoba:Bang Bang Tanks in the El Nino Bar to buy the best El Nino Equipment (Human and Tanks)>from Hatoba to Grapple TowerGold Ants in the island south of dog village and that one grass patch of land near Bito's Tunnel and that Ant Forest>from Grapple Tower to Islaportoclaiming the bounty after killing Skunks, back to Grapple Tower to hunt for Lucky Mouse (weak to vulcan boxes - vulcan rush) It's way better than that one alcove east of Delta Rio and west of Bennett's House hunting those exp and gold walkers>>3976922>Dirty Rush better than Cannon / Vulcan / S-E RushSo far, they're in short supply, will probably explore different S-Es from Caterpillar Villa and Melt-Town for easy battle clears after Sea Hunter hoarding and spamming.
>>3977614Do you not know about double c-units? There's a guy in the bottom floor of Islaporto that can modify a chassis to be able to use two c-units at once.
>>3977730*and just in case you don't know about double engines, I think there's a guy (or maybe the same guy, can't remember) that can modify certain chassis to use two engines at the same time, which can lead to astronomical load capacities with the twin bonus engines in MM2R. Usually only one of double engine or double c-unit can be done to a chassis, but even when a tank could have either you ahve to pick one or the other. And sometimes you have to upgrade a chassis before it can use the double c-unit or double engine upgrade, e.g. the Gepard needs to be upgraded to I think tier 4 or 5 before it can do either.In MM3 double c-unit doesn't exist and it's just that a few tank chassis can take a double engine upgrade.
