What is /vrpg/ opinion on the Octopath Traveler series
>>3957705first game is the most broken but also feels the best to play. the second game confuses being "bigger" with being "better" and a lot of the rebalances and additions actually end up feeling worse. don't know anything about 0, CotC is gachaslop.
>>3957705I tried the first game. One of the ugliest games I've ever played. I can't stand all the post processing bullshit effects they slapped on. "Look at these beautiful pixels ... but not over there or there, because we put a darkening vignette to obscure the screen AND an extreme depth of field blur everywhere."Combat-wise, I loved it. The stories I thought were really solid too. But more than the graphics I absolutely despised the structure. Reading the first chapter of 8 different books, then sequentially reading the next chapter of each of them is atrocious. And the game doesn't appear to be beatable without it, because they gatelock so much behind high level encounters. It's like an mmo. I put the game down after getting four people and realizing I'd need to get them all to continue. I don't think I've ever played a more frustrating and disappointing game. Will never touch the sequels.
>>3957705When I realized that there are only actually 4 path actions with 2 different flavors each it killed a lot of my interest in the game. It made the characters feel less special when their gimmick isn't actually unique to them.
I didn't expect partitio to talk like a yakuza guyI'm not really experienced with japanese accents, is it supposed to be recognizable as a regional way of speaking or something?
>>3957705They're pretty good. My favorite of the main jobs is the Scholar, with Apothecary coming in second.
OSVALD SEXO>>3957943Kansai-ben dialect (kind of) like Agnea's."Uneducated" country bumpkin equivalent in anime.
I thought the first one was bad. The combat is grindy and the characters' stories are all generic. I'd rather have one interesting campaign than eight boring campaigns.
>>3958393Uggo.I'd rather Kyastti.
>>3957865I don't know enough about graphic design or art so the first point you mentioned wasn't something I would have experienced. The mechanics of the game, coupled with the interwoven stories, was enough for me to really enjoy my time playing it. The second game as well. They have superbosses, something else I really like.I knew going in that it would be juggling the stories since it mirrored SaGa Frontier in that regard, so it was a non-issue. I can see why it would be frustrating for somebody wanting to experience a whole, fluid narrative though.I haven't tried 0, dunno if I will. It looks like it took mobile then slapped on a bunch of shine to call it a game. I might play it if I get it cheap, otherwise meh. The first two games are good though.
>>3958438>I haven't tried 0, dunno if I will.It has a really slow start but it's another case of "it gets good after 10 hours".They brought the build autism to the next level. Not only you have 8 active members, most of the skills of each member can be taught to the others, you can do a lot of cool shit with this system.The town builder part is also fun.If you enjoyed the other two games for the mechanics there's no way you won't also enjoy 0.
>>3957943This nigga missing out on the PEAK that is southern Partitio KEK
>>3958821not really
>>3958418Nigga you’re ugly
>>3959124Explain. His southern accent adds a lot of charm to his character.
>>3958821>>3959861Dubs are cancerous.
I'd like to bench Phenn but his ultimate is so fucking op.
>>3959881OT2 dub is kino
>>3959910I've seen people use him for the superboss to survive damage from that fight. Otherwise, he's been benched for most of my playthrough.
>>3959881
>>3958393I’m not a furry but she can get it
>>3959881You will never be Japanese
>>39577051 is a good start for a series though i want to strangle whoever came up with the true last boss (the fight itself is amazing but the path to said fight..)2 is better but also worse than 1 in a way, maybe i rate 2 higher than it should because some of jap seiyuu i like are there+ochette has kinda fun monster catching mechanicCotC is okay if you are fine with passive protag. Gameplay is watered down from other games but with 8 niggas instead of 4. Suffers from being a gacha where powercreep is absurd, dupes being important for some characters and its an old game so fuckton of timegated shit you must grind to do mid-endgame stuffDidn't bother to play 0 because i heard its basicly single player CotC with more story. Probably better to play this instead of CotC if you never played that beforeMy problem with octopath 1 and 2 is the lack of level scaling but routes keeps track of character levels from other routes you cleared which ruins the difficulty. Early on you can simply avoid using high leveled chars but later on impossible to do so unless you self handicap like doing 2-3 niggas party
>>3959881It's cool if you prefer the original audio but dubs have come a long way. Voice actors do a great job and not everybody wants to read text when there is other stuff on the screen to look at. I know you're being hyperbolic but it comes off as idiotic.
>>3960027I mean they could very well be Japanese, saying what they did simply because they desperately want people to listen to their native tongue instead of some imposter voice actors.
>>3960044Sex with Tressa
>>3960061Don't sex Tressa
>>3960079Only ot0 Tressa because she’s 15
It's incredible how these games become 10x better once you start skipping all scenes.Truly mysterious.
>>3959910I've made good use out of him through Thundering Cleave/Rain of Arrows and the Merchant skills since access to Axes and Bows is pretty good.
>>3959937Not really, but the written dialogue already sucked to begin with
>>3957865Dislike the graphicsHate the battle system. Worse weakness systems than the persona/SMT gamesTolerate the music, but could've been more diverseSees the potential of the concept, but the execution is worse than Live a Live
>>3961058>Worse weakness systems than the persona/SMT gamesAre they not basically the same thing except you need more weakness hits here? I've never understood all the praise SMT gets for its battle system. Is there something I'm missing beyond "Hitting a weakness gets you an extra turn"? I've only played P3 and SMT V
>>3961064>Is there something I'm missingNo, that's literally it. Weakness system is nothing like Persona/SMT because you already know the bigger focus is on hitcounts + breaking + concentrated burst damage for Octopath compared to just getting more actions upon hitting a weakness instead.
>>3961064My complain is that the playable characters didn't have weaknesses themselves, and persona/smt have a more nuanced resistance system (repel/resist/drain/null). This is a big problem for me, I want consistent themes and rules since they marketed it like a system from the beginningAlso I'm not arguing in favor of Press Turn btw, I find that system bad too, as you said, "Hit weakness gain extra turn"
>>3960054It's not a matter of quality.If you use dubs you're actively spitting in the face of the devs and shitting on the game.
>>3961376Brainlet take
Reime FUCKS
>>3961661Using dubs is like playing retro games like this.
>>3961789Reime + Cyrus and you're generally good on the physical and elemental damage fronts.
>>3957705Lifeless sandbox. May as well play Crystal Project.
Oh, they put this back. It was absolute bonkers in the first game.
>>3957705The battle system is "fine" but feels pretty shallow. The real deathblow to the game for me is how the campaign is structured. I originally expected something like SaGa Frontier with 8 characters whose different stories sometimes overlap. Instead it's>recruit this guy>skip his intro>play his chapter 1 or whateverover and over and over and it sucked ass. Basically fuck that game. Also I found most of the characters uninteresting.
Holding paws with Isla
>>3962112>Crystal ProjectAnother lifeless sandbox, but at least more engaging combat and mechanics.
Tell me about Olberic. Why is his blade unbending
>>3962379He's a big guy
>>3958393Sexo
>Game is about 8 different completely isolated stories>Characters in your party have absolutely 0 effect on any story quests that aren't their own>No necessary order for all the stories>Most of the content barring optional endgame stuff isn't very difficult >You need to change comps for path action diversity when not in a dungeon/the wilderness >Despite all of the above they STILL force you to keep your first character in the party all the time until you complete their story, forcing them to be over levelled and limiting who you want to have in your party based on path actionsGenuinely, what the fuck were they thinking?
>>3958438octopath 0 strips some of the fun game play away by removing concoct and summons..>>3958511>11the town building is nice tho, and story relevant in a way.
Where the f*ck are the Saoirse lewds
I'm spending way too much time on this.
>>3963851Job system simulator with a very lifeless open world, and generic save the world main story.
This game just never fucking ends, holy shit.
>>3964136so close to the finish line .... to get the 'crown', then ya gotta get the true ending and the real boss battle.lul.
>>3964085>Job system simulatorThe job system is so minor in these games what are you talking about
>>3963973Very /comfy/ anon
>>3964182It's a tourist trying to bait.
>>3964136>>3964158Save your ultimate gauge refill items for Dohter's spam the superboss. "Golden Ending" boss can be mogged with Dohter's + ult spam as well, especially when you have Sniper for your entire back row.
>>3964182>what are you talking aboutWhy are you asking this when you dont have anything else to argue?>>3964485Oh look a shill who cant defend their game. Typical for an octopath fan.
Threw the pole
You don't neee to reply twice btw
>>3964487What do you mean, dohter?
>>3964638nvm I see what you meant.Honestly I've been mogging every boss with Reime, how much of a pain are galdera and the super boss?
>>3964678.............what a fucking stupid gimmicky fight.
Fucking seriously? That was it?
Aaaaand done, I'm finally free.Very short review:-While I enjoyed the customization and freedom, they need to do something about the difficulty, it was way too fucking easy. This is the third time and it only got worse.-Too many skills that do the same shit.Don't give me "axe attack that does 1.4x damage", and then "axe attack that does 1.8x damage". We have boost for that, don't waste a slot like this, give me something unique.Not sure why I'm writing this as no dev will ever read it.-The game was way more story driven, too bad I didn't give a single fuck about any character, and I just started skipping all scenes at some point. This has happened in every game. Hire better writers already.See you in octo 3 niggas.
>>3964789Dev here, fuck you
Hopefully they'll add extra challenges as in OT2.
>>3964732>Takes OP characters>Whines that it’s too easyWhy are women like this?
>>3965020>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO you must use shit characters because............ because....... because I say so okay?!?!?!?!
>>3965010I hope they don't. I genuinely disliked OT0 after the honeymoon phase ended... sometime during the Bestower arcs.
>>3965550We dont give a shit about your marital issues, brom
So, we're all in agreement that Cyrus, H'aanit, Bargello, Richard, Saoirse, and Reime belong in the top tier of Octopath 0?
>>3960442Phenn and Pious were mainstays on my team. Their Ultimates were very useful whenever I was fighting the little mini boss enemies in areas I definitely should not have been in. I also gave Phenn the skill that lets you choose an equipped weapon and attack 5-8 times as well as Mystic Shot for SP management. Therion, who was mainly there for his thievery skill set, was my designated charge donate bot.
>>3969181Pius's ultimate is so good for the sheer damage swing it faciliates, and I agree that Phenn's damage reduction can be a big boon for battles with big dick damage bosses/enemies. If I used his ultimate more and in smart ways in the Warbringer Phantom battle, I probably wouldn't have needed an Almighty Olive.
>>3969215I missed and whiffed a break opportunity against that boss and had to do the same thing, even when I was alternating (and occasionally layering the last turn if I had a bad turn order next turn) their ultimates. I feel like it was a worthwhile expense, considering how early I took down the boss.
>>3957705around its launch I had a lot of money from a windfall and I was retarded so I bought it at full price along with a bunch of other stuff, cause I had money to burnto this day I still haven't played it and now I have no money
>>3957705Only played the 1st. I liked the way you could use the stripper's gambling skill to get a bazillion experience. I didn't like the way the character arcs didn't meaningfully interact, the whole "octopath" bit was a flop. More RPGs should use the FF5 class system like this.
>>3969523>stripper's gambling skill to get a bazillion experienceI'll admit I chuckled at this description since it's actually accurate.
>>3957806>the second game confuses being "bigger" with being "better" and a lot of the rebalances and additions actually end up feeling worse.This is the correct take. Second game suffers from bloat and imbalances the gameplay loop even more. Somehow the dialogue is even more overbearing, and the dungeons feel even shorter and more pointless. The battle system was ruined by giving every character too much utility. Some battles will be so easy you can just spam attack, but as soon as they get hard enough that you can't do that, each character has so many tricks up their sleeve that they could all end the battle in a single turn, which means that even when the combat gets harder, it's still boring. There's a difference between being forced to strategize, and being forced to pick how you win.I've spent the past year playing a lot of early 90s JRPGs, and it's actually insane how thoroughly the Octopath games bungles up just about everything that actually made those old games good. It really is just a modern, bloated movie-game cosplaying as a retro JRPG.
>>3969523>More RPGs should use the FF5 class system like this.FF5's class system is about a hundred times better than whatever the fuck was in Octopath Traveler.
>>3969763If you want the "everyone can do everything with enough time and effort", sure. That said, I like how Octopath's class system both ties into the games' characters and into their mythology, and helps with setting very clearly defined roles that works with the class in question.
>>3970879>If you want the "everyone can do everything with enough time and effort", sure.The satisfaction of FF5 is that you get to define the roles yourself, then switch over to Freelancer/Mime in the endgame to reap all the benefits. If you decide to sit around grinding for hours on end to make everyone do everything, that's certainly your privilege, but has nothing to do with why it's better than Octopath.
>>3957705Is Therion a no-brainer first character in OT1 or is there nothing worthwhile in red chests he can unlock?
>>3969761live a live did what octopath traveler wanted to almost 25 years prior, and did it without shared bloat.
>>3970979Pick whoever you like better. You can grab Therion early so it doesn't really matter, you might have to go back for like 1-2 chests. Olberic is the obvious and only choice.
>>3970979honestly more for stealing. backtracking for some chests is a small hassle compared to clearing out towns with savescumming and GUARANTEED steals from low health enemies.
>>3970911>The satisfaction of FF5 is that you get to define the roles yourself, then switch over to Freelancer/Mime in the endgame to reap all the benefits.Yeah, that's the point. You just do whatever, then switch to doing anything you want to do in the end. It's fine in it's own way, but Octopath having a defined base role that you can supplement and/or build on with additional skills is an equally valid way to use a class system.
>>3957705my opinion is that throne would be cuter if she was a twink i could fuck. throne also best character in the series btw
>>3957705Played the first game, gameplay was ok, but the storytelling was awkward. You have multiple characters in the party, but the characters are treated as them being alone in the story. Didn't bother to play the other games because of that.
>>3970982>live a live did what octopath traveler wanted to almost 25 years priorMy senpai.
>>3971457>You have multiple characters in the party, but the characters are treated as them being alone in the storyI think this is pretty much the consensus from the critics.I'd like to add that I hate the fact they are advertising it like a grand multi-character adventure from the trailers but really dropped the ball on the execution.But also the fact the fanboys constantly overhype it online like it had no apparent flaws.>>3971470As much as I dislike the bareboneness of LaL's combatI'd agree.
Is there a document that lists all status effect sources (usable by the player) for OT2? I want to try some bullshit so I want to see what job comps can I use. I know the fandom wiki covers statuses but for OT1.
>>3969761Holy fucking based
He'a so cool..
I've been playing 0 and the storytelling's genuine dogshit. It's like they look for "alright now make it 5x as long by inserting pointless tragedies". Bargello's worthless and the other two initial storylines aren't very good. Master of All is stretched to fuck. Bestower present you with the guy you've got to kill and then you spend four hours getting yapped at and trekking everywhere before you finally get to actually kill them. Bestower of All is just trying to make me give a shit about Sazantos when I never have and never will.Gameplay's been repetitive ever since I got the Forbidden Bow on my Merchant too but whatever.
>>3957884>expecting shit enix not to cut cornersretard
>>3974540Sazantos is just whiny millenial sephiroth but his themes are fucking bosshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTfWAAFICKcthey're like the first 20 minutes of this video lol
>>3970979I used Tressa and Cyrus primarilly. Having Tressa quickly buff up Cyrus so can just 1 shot everything with his AOE spells
DENUVO IS GONE shame the game still sucks
>>3990752They accidentally shipped a debug build including a pdb.
can any kind soul with the switch version and a hackable switch dump the 1.0.7 update? I accidentally went on sysnand and it banned my switch so I cant update my legit copy of 0 :(
>>3974540I'm just getting to the bestower section and am kinda feeling like dropping the game. I've had a similar experience with the story, except I did enjoy the master of fame story. However, the master of all arc was so fucking bad it made me consider dropping the game.
>>3990752It was already playable with a demo bypass, but it's nice to have it be playable proper.The way the demo bypass worked was absolutely disgusting.
>>3991316Bestowers are 3x 3 chapters and the 8 chapters for the final Bestower arc.And they feel even longer, especially Bestower of Power and Bestower of All.
>>3960056Japanese appreciate dubs.
>>3957705Octopath Traveler is what happens when someone says, “What if we made eight JRPG protagonists,” and then forgot to let them talk to each other. You spend 80 hours assembling the Avengers, only for every cutscene to act like the other seven people are standing ten feet away pretending to be invisible.>Villager: “Alfyn, I need your help!”Meanwhile, there's a master thief, a world-famous dancer, a hunter with a giant snow leopard, and a literal warrior demigod standing behind him like background NPCs.>"My name is Therion. I trust nobody.">50 hours later>"My name is Therion. I still trust nobody."It's the rare game where the strongest bond in the party is between the player and the Boost button.
>>3996717Agree, andplease preach more about this.preach more in those steam forums, xitter and reddootor even better make a youtube/zoomtok video about thisI feel like this needs to be known more.
>>3996717Good post.
It's like an old-school JRPG, but if it were any good.
>>3969761>I've spent the past year playing a lot of early 90s JRPGs, and it's actually insane how thoroughly the Octopath games bungles up just about everything that actually made those old games good. It really is just a modern, bloated movie-game cosplaying as a retro JRPG.Sounds like we should NOT play OT. From your yearlong experiment, what 90s JPRGs SHOULD we play?
>>3957943He just talks cocky. It's not really a dialect.t. speaks moon
>>3994578>Esl's appreciate bad voice acting while hating Western shit with good voice acting.Checks out.>>3999496>Kektoshitted traveler>Better than Romancing saga 2-3 and LuciaDios mio...
>>3996717To be fair that was the main complaint about OT1. They tried to fix it for the sequel, but all you got was other characters commenting. Like some anons said, this is really just bloated Live A Live.
The gaycha was the only good one.
>>3957705it's absolutely boring beyond belief. otherwise decent effort though.
Bump
>>39577058 characters is too many. Especially when they're all so disjointed and some are clearly under baked compared to others, like Tressa and Alfyn. In the second game it's even worse. I only just started and I can already tell some of these characters aren't going to do shit.
>>3957705I haven't played it yet I'm still waiting for it to become 90% off.
>>3999496>it's good because ... it's goodliterally every Octopath Traveller fan praising their game, braindead fanbase
>>4008552>Assraped romancing saga fag
>>3957705What the fuck is an Octopath Traveler?
>>3999496old school jrpgs had actual dungeons instead of copy pasted hallways
>>4008876didn't even like Saga, anyway you didn't even bother to prove me wrong
>>4008885A JRPG videogame series from Team Asano.
>>4008552>nyoo if it's good you need to (insert pseudo intellectual 4 hours video essay here)kys retard, the game is fun and the OST is good, literally the only thing that matters
>>4009387>nyoo if it's good you need to (insert pseudo intellectual 4 hours video essay here)I never said that. >game is fun and the OST is goodsee, this is where you are proving me correct. how is it fun and how is it good?that anon (or maybe (You)) said that it's better than any old school JRPG. where? comparisons? arguments? who needs a damn essay in the first place? just give me arguments.
>>4009419NTA but I suppose it's an acquired taste for a niche series which you don't factor in.Music is pleasant (although I personally don't care for the random encounter music other than the ones of the OT2 ship).The battle system of focusing on breaking and boosting gives some players incentive to mess around with various setups for the weakness system and the satisfying damage output during break when you know what you're doing. Add that with the subjob system allowing you to play around with the characters a bit to make some strong combos to break the game even more. And Team Asano games allow you to break them apart (Bravely Default Stillness, BD2 Godspeed Strike, etc) which is enjoyable to autistic character builders.Ikushima has a clean sense of character design where there's variety and a surprisingly good treatment to male character designs since older guys barely take up a slot in other RPGs rife with fuccboi twinks. Osvald sexoAnd I guess I just like the fact that you're not exactly arbitrarily gatekept from most of the locations in the game at any point in the stories, so exploring places where you shouldn't be and even successfully stealing/scrutinizing things that most game normally shouldn't be letting you get/do without the corresponding story flags.
>>4009430So to offer my counterpoints.>brave and break battle systemI don't like it. I'm not going to say my opinion is the only correct thing, but I find the system restrictive. Your best option at dealing damage is through breaking weaknesses first and then spamming your strongest move. And the variation of moves you can do is pretty limited as well.>open world naturei can agree that this is one thing I like about the series. So they gave us Path Actions to supplement this feature which I just think is wasted potential by making every interaction feels the same. Path actions were very formulaic. If we are talking about stealing in rpgs we already have things like Oblivion where stealing will result in a fight when discovered. I wish there was more interactivity with it. Likewise with Scrutinize literally is just extra information which is crazy because we could literally have a cool dialogue battle instead of just "press x to scrutinize".Some PAs being duplicates of each other is also disappointing.Octopath I/II also marketed their characters pretty bigly, which I find a huge disappointment with how they executed it currently. If they clearly don't want to focus on it they could've just focused on making the dungeons (right now it's just hallways) and exploration more meaningful. Instead we get cardboard characters with cliched, boring personalities.Honestly Octopath II has lots of potential but just failed big time on the execution. I liked Triangle Strategy better honestly.
>>4009438>cool dialogue battle instead of just "press x to scrutinizesounds like a waste of time minigame just to get some information, would get boring and annoying quickly>cardboard characters with cliched, boring personalitiesdon’t know why you say this like it’s supposedly something bad. You must hate 99% JRPGs then.>If we are talking about stealing in rpgs we already have things like Oblivion where stealing will result in a fight when discovered. I wish there was more interactivity with it.I don't know man. It sounds like you're nitpicking a lot because you really wanted this to be some CRPG where they add pointless things to make you feel more "free," like all western RPGs love to do.
>>4009446>sounds like a waste of time minigame just to get some information, would get boring and annoying quicklyI don't mean that everything needs a lengthy minigame. Of course there is levels to this.>don’t know why you say this like it’s supposedly something bad. You must hate 99% JRPGs then.I don't think I can agree with this. Give me examples of those 99% of characters in JRPGs you think is cardboard cliche personalities.>I don't know man. It sounds like you're nitpicking a lot because you really wanted this to be some CRPG where they add pointless things to make you feel more "free," like all western RPGs love to do.I don't want it to be exactly like CRPGs. But they introduced those path actions to make the world feel alive, they could've done better instead of making it as repetitive as of now.
>>4009296>Assraped shitGa fag outing his hemorrhoid riddin anus
>>4011357I swear I don't like saga at all, why do you think need to assume I'm a fan of it to be able to criticize this gameBesides Octopath was inspired by Saga, Asano said himself
Wandering Sword is such a superior 2DHD game to any of the Octopath Traveler games.
>>40128902dhd is faggot marketing speakthe term is sprite-polygon mix but yeah WS fucks
>>4012890>tedious LaL-esque battle system>superior
>>3957705Just beat Octopath 2, it was good.
>>4012890Chinese style UI with hideous fonts, terrible event timing, huge focus on big numbers is already a turn-off.Ultimately I hate this kind of claim without any reasoning.
I want to have sex with ochette
How can people enjoy Octopath games when they have such a shitty combat system?
>>4013960I don't know why Octopath gets so much hate when the game is fun to play. I liked the story, and the combat, while not that complex, is pretty serviceable. Not even the oldest philosophy books get as much nitpicking and overanalysis as this game does. I don't know if some famous YouTuber made an essay video about it and now everyone is copying their opinion after seeing that or something.
>>4014836Is OT2 worth it? Haven't played OT1 because it looked kinda generic.
>>4014853Yeah, it's a huge improvement over the first one.
>>4014836You will find OT1/2 get very little traction on youtube.And funnily there is no critical essays on it, almost all of it are positive ones.>storyI find it very bland and mediocre.>combatI find break&weaknesses system too simplistic, and the job classes themselves are also pretty simplistic. I am okay with it being called a 7/10, but you will see people who like it call it a masterpiece which I just can't agree.Yes call me autistic about it I don't care, Square Enix games get alot of contrarian treatment but Octopath somehow get the pass from the normies. I think 4chan / reddit is where the criticisms congregated at.
>>4014992I've always found Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts bland and mediocre in many ways, yet a lot of people call them masterpieces. But I don't go on a crusade against them all the time because those games aren't good enough to live rent-free in my head, and I've already forgotten most of what happens in them.
>>4015001>I've always found Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts bland and mediocre in many ways, yet a lot of people call them masterpiecesWell they have alot of reasons to call them that way. I can say those two games have niches that other games didn't have, which is enough to make them unforgettable to someone.I can't say the same with Octopath.>But I don't go on a crusade against them all the time because those games aren't good enough to live rent-free in my headWell the reason people go on to criticize Octopath on this website (esp. /v/) because people make threads about it constantly and paint it as some kind of new masterpiece that Square Enix made, even going so far to say it is the answer to the "turn-based crisis" that FF now has. Without any actual reasoning, just recency bias. > I've already forgotten most of what happens in them.It's okay, people forget JRPG stories all the time. I don't think that makes them bad though. Maybe you also have a really high expectations when you played the game. I can see my expectations of Octopath II given the amount of masterpiece shouts also soured my opinion toward it as well.
This game came out forever ago, why does it not ever go on sale?
>>3957705the first game is a pretty solid JRPG. Amazing battle system and music. I personally enjoyed the artstyle love me some chibi pixel shit. Stories left a little more to be desired they're not bad just simple. With all that being said square what the fuck are you doing?? since the switch 2 came out they just completely shit themselves and have made the worst decisions possible. no upgrade paths on the majority of their games except Romancing Saga 2 remake, nice. but octopath on the switch 2 couldn't have been handled in a worse way.
>>3957705I love the art style. I know a lot don't like it, but HD-2D is fucking beautiful in my opinion.
>>4016797>octopath on the switch 2 couldn't have been handled in a worse way.What was so bad about it? I don't currently own a Switch 2 and I have yet to play the games despite owning two of the three.
>>4017273Switch 2 versions are just slightly (barely) better graphics and barely tuning the bloom along with 60fps.Nothing else.No upgrade paths, no QoL for OT1 from OT2, no save transfers from the Switch1 versions. And key cards for "physical", I guess.
She's hella cute. Shame her gacha portrait pales in comparison
What other octopath characters will square make next? Now that we have Primrose, I’m thinking that Throné is next, her figure pose being the daytime path action artwork. Given their track record, it’ll take 3-4 years
>>4017554>Weight: "Piss off"
>>3957865It was also really annoying that you couldn't swap out the first character until you beat their story, so you were pretty much forced to keep the MC overleveled unless you went out of your way to speed run the story
Imagine making a game with no autorun? Like you have to hold down the button or key all game because there is zero reason to walk.>But much random encounter rates are set based!Its the same amount if steps whether you walk or run.
What a whore.
Did Octopath Traveler 2 fix all shit that was wrong with 1? Just wondering if it is worth giving a shot or not.
>>4021301People already answered this question that have been asked multiple times in this thread
>>4021321But have they answered this at this very thread?
>>4021321Can you at least tell me if they put in a setting for autorun you Cocksucker!
>>4021510This >>3969761>>4021522what do you mean?
>>4021751I mean you have to hold down the run key all game on the controller or your keyboard because there is no always run setting.
Why is she such a show off?
>>4021780even though I still think this game is overrated, honestly not a big deal for me
>>4022200>gaymer is a size queen
>>4021880"Thy letten such legs be breathen."
>>4022274Wonder if she's speaking old fashioned english was a 1:1 translation or if she was just crass in JP instead of using olde jp or some meme dialect like Kansai
Cute tard.Lads, I think I got stuck, started H'annit chapter 3, but the dragon is giving me some headache, Cyrus skill showed he has a whopping 66K HP pool, and my party damage seems hella subpar, Olberic is my main character, at lv 40, and even with Lion's Dance, full powered Brand's Thunder, after breaking the boss bar, can only dish around 5k damage, Cyrus is a bit behind, dealing 3k two times with his Hailstorm after a buff, H'annit herself barely does damage even when fully charged, and Primmrose is there for the morale support and eating two break slots once in a while.The girls are at lv 32 and Cyrus is 37. I really dunno how to ramp up my damage further than that, Thief's Shackle Foe doesn't seem it works on the firebreath and Armor Corrosion ain't increasing much of the overall damags.Seems I done all the sidequests I could do, since I can't come to any solutions atm, shops don't offer any upgrades and I couldn't trigger the bosses of any of the side dungeons besides one with a frost giant back at lv 20, so what gives?
>>4022960that honestly sounds like a gear issue, especially after stacking buffs. Have you tried breaking through towards one of the outermost towns to purchase the stronger gear there? With Cyrus' Evasive Movement and using on-route savepoints you can reset the step counter between enemy encounters to "cheese" your way through areas you cannot feasibly survive in.Because by all means, Brand's Thunder should be one of the first skills to hit the damage cap. Also, what are their secondary classes and have you tried out various combinations yet like Primrose as a Scholar/Cleric or Olberic as an Apothecary, or H'aanit as a Thief? It reads like you don't have much healing, nor access to Sheltering Veil to increase your magic defense against the Dragon's fire. (Or the more expensive Reflective Veil).
>>4023051Didn't knew about the encounter gimmick, das neat, any towns you would recommend me visiting? The closest ch4 town that I have acess to, is Grandport, no clue which routes leads to the others and there's huge swates to land separating them for the rest.Olberic subjob is Apotecary, Cyrus is Cleric, Primm is Scholar for those break pelting and I tried a few combinations for H'annit, party lived more when I tried Dancer, the damage increase from thief debuffs seemed minimal.My issue with Veil is that I need 4 turns to fully set it up, pair that with Battlefield ejection and the dwagon using the breath each 2 turns, and it sucks, which there were an aoe variant
>>4023108All of them. You can savescum for steals and scrutinizes. The most difficult one would probably be the ch4 town in the Riverlands because you have to go through the Cliftlands' 2nd town area first before taking a detour into the farthest southwestern reaches there to reach the final Riverlands town. Everywhere else is fairly straightforward with their routes with no required change in biomes from town 1 > 2 > 3.
>>4023108>My issue with Veil is that I need 4 turns to fully set it upSealticgue's Seduction (dancer divine skill which you have to learn and can only access at max boost) sets all single target (not self-target) skills/attacks to affect the whole party.
>>4023126I tended to have issues with reaching Northreach because even with Evasive Manouvers you would have to successfully last one encounter and those fucking frogs are fast>>4023108As the other anon said, you can apply a Dancer's (Primrose for example), divine skill "Sealtigce's Seduction" to any ally (such as a Cleric), to make Sheltering/Reflective Veil apply to everyone. It's also useful to immunize your team against other debuffs by giving it to an Apothecary for Rehabilitate. It also turns all Single Target skills, healing, damage, buffs or otherwise, into all-targetl, so an Apothecary's stronger single-target heal will turn teamwide, likewise single target spells like Holy Light will turn into a stronger version of Luminescence. That's not important for your dragon but relevant for later encounters.I would suggest putting Sealtigce on Primrose while running her as a cleric, that way she has access to both Physical Defense buffs (Mole Dance) and Elemental Defense (Sheltering/Reflective Veil). This should make the Dragon's offense more managable. Sadly you cannot apply Element Attack down on someone through skills, you'd have to use a Staff of Wonder or an Arcane Bow to apply it. You can use Shackle Foe to knock out its physical damage, which is why I would run H'aanit as Thief (also helps with her low SP)
>>4023138>>4023128>>4023126Thanks for the heads up! Took a few more tries but the fight was way less one sided with better weapons and armor, the Dragon blade from the last Sunlands town helped a ton, Brand's went from dealing 5K to 23k. H'annit and Primm also endured way more thanks for the better armor, the fire resistant gear I got from the Raia's questline was the cherry on top
The fuck is his problem?
>>4022470it was a localization invention, for her and her village
>>4023289Part of the fun in the games is going off and far beyond the intended route to prepare (or even overprepare) yourself with things you shouldn't normally have if you were playing most other normal rpgs.
>>4023289Sealtigce's is fucking broken. It's one of the best if not the best divine skill in both 1 and 2.
>>3957705Finished 0. The 35 unit joint battle is pretty crazy, basically a raid boss battle. Seeing a row based skill affecting a good 18 units in one use is amazing. I think the superboss not being a joint battle too is pretty disappointing. Thanks to it, a 1-2 turn kill strat is possible again.I read alot of bugs regarding not getting a full 100/100/100 influence score after finishing both endings, thankfully I did get it in the end. Wished the Nuts seed was available a bit earlier, like before the final dungeon so I can farm a few more seeds before the end. I read theres another update later that puts the superboss on the arena so I think theres a reason to farm Nuts cause I bet its even stronger than before.Wonder how your MC will look with a full 999 in its stats.
>>4027607>I read alot of bugs regarding not getting a full 100/100/100 influence score after finishing both endingsI didn't even know that was a thing.I didn't even complete Esperre's and Ophilia's bonds either and got triple 100s as well.
Okay, so this thread convinced me to buy 2 and I’ll play it when I get home. Any tips for getting started? I haven’t played a jrpg in years.
>>4028044If you are stuck get better gear and grind. Also inform yourself on avenues of counterplay to debuffs and damage types
>>4027929Apparently, finishing each endings will get you +3 score for each influence.By the time I finish the normal ending, I got 99/99/98 so I'm worried if I'm just getting a +1 for each score once I finish the true end.>>4028044Go out there and explore the map and collect stuff while considering the danger level of each area. I prefer doing this so I can blast through the stories later.Reserve your stat Nuts until you get all the jobs so you can avoid wasting them.
>>4028044Everyone's technically viable at the start, some with some caveats.Osvald (mage) is one of the more difficult if you're cheap with money for tp restoratives (plums) since he's pretty much entirely reliant on his magic to deal damage during most of the game, but especially the earlygame. But they're all AOEs so he's the epitome of glass cannon when alone.Throne has no AOE at all.Temenos is extremely limited since his base offensive kit is just single-target and AOE light magic and a 2-hit staff attack that drains tp and Agnea needs all the help she can get because she's mainly a buffer in the earlygame.
>>4028044I'd recommend starting as temenos.His night path action is nice, and his intro fits ridiculously good as a storty starter.
>>4028209>>4028362>>4028616>>4031489Thanks, bros. I ended up picking Hikari, but now that I’m a little more familiar with the various systems I’m tempted to start over and choosing the cute autistic apothecary girl. Very comfy game. I’m quite pleased with my purchase.
>>4031491Take your time with it, anon. It's a decently long game to fully complete all the way to the epilogue.
True Galdera when?They need to finally use those hidden voicelines.
Man challenge/provoke in this game is wild. Frail old men and women will often beg you not to fight, say they don't know how or have never been in a fight and you just literally run around various towns beating the shit out of them and stealing their stuff? And your supposed noble party members like Ophelia won't even say shit?
>>4035213Many people just headcanon that the more "purehearted" members of the group either look away or are completely oblivious.Osvald in OT2 for example can Mug people at night, which translates to outright attacking them in a battle to steal everything they hold in one fell swoop upon victory.
Doing a solo Primrose runI regret it but i've come too far to stop
>>4035213>Frail old men/women>Has a Battle Tested equipmentWell, scrutinizing them will tell you not to mess with them until you're end game ready at least.Then fight them a dozen of times for another drop of their Battle Tested weapons. (2% drop rate minimum)
>>4035979Did that with the Master of Books in 0 so all the Scholars + my Apothecary MC had one Battle-Worn Tome each. Currently trying to get another Battle-Tested Blade off of the Raging Bird so Reime and Olberic each get to have one.
Do the battle tested weapons in 2 not drop before post game? I’m on everyone’s 4th chapter and I’ve beaten the guy who drops the BT blade 192 times (I counted) with no luck :(
>>40387962% drop rate. Getting another copy of a Battle Tested equipments are a test of patience.I forgot hows the speed kill strat for OT2 when it comes to Battle Tested equipments but you should look on it if you want an easier time.
>>4039211Finally got it after 200+ attempts. Got it down to 3 or 4 rounds per kill. Sadly, my Hikari is now obscenely over leveled. I’ll wait til post game to farm the other rare drops.
>>4039211Pretty sure it's just Alpione's Amulet 1hp Hikari launching Limb for Limb at the target.
>>4039751I remember a similar strat for Galdera with 1 HP speed kill but with Temenos instead.
>>3964789>too bad I didn't give a single fuck about any character, and I just started skipping all scenes at some point.This was my experience too. The characters and their arcs and conclusions are phoned in so hard that a drooling retard could follow along.
I like when Partitio says, “HHNNNG!” when powering up because it sounds like he’s struggling to make a big poop. It’s funny.
Killing people is le bad
>>4043053*"killing" by inaction
Why is she like that?
>>4043090Experience.
>>4043069Dunno, it just feels dumb to me after he knew full well how much of a sicko Miguel was. Alfyn was probably still traumatized about the Goldshore scammer, but stillAt the same time, I think his chapter could have ended here, and I feel most characters fall in a similar territory, they blow their loads too early during ch 3 and then everything else doesn't look as enticingI also did Ophy ch 3 a while ago, and boy, why everyone here is hungering for some backstabbing?>>4043091Guess all that backstage action helped her observational skills.
What's with Erhardt dungeon and the chests giving me Leaves all in progressive multiples of ten? Is this some gag that went past me?
Kino Incoming!?
>>4043373That entire sequence had my blade stand unbending. Certified kino
>>4043404That sequence and Olberic ch 4 were amazing, love how Werner moveset foils the Warrior's. It felt weird getting the credits so soon though, will the game give me some CH 5 once I complete all storylines?
>>4043621Unfortunately, OT1 is pretty obscure on how to get the true ending. It's buried in a sidequest chain, so a lot of people missed it. OT2 does fix that one up, at least.
>>4043653Oof, found some side quests a bitch to deal with since some have no clues at all (Who thought the captain of a sinked ship would be a random amnesiac fucker instead of the lost old men who bums around the pirate graveyard?) and a few others here and thereOn a unrelated note, found Simeon to be quite a weak closure for Primm, dude created a huge underworld operation just to mess with her. His boss fight was also more annoying than hard (fuck those mute effects). Game really pushes me to always deploy Alfynn when it start to throw bullshit like that into me, I melted the 4 guardian bosses with his busted potions, but it felt too cheesy to me in a way.The fact that there is no "end game" party wide HP/SP without Concotion or a Boosted Heal spell bothers me a ton
>>4043154Generally, OT1's pacing is:Ch1: intro + establishing your characterCh2: more establishing your characterCh3: something changes the direction of the story whether there's an actual goal now or a change in "perspective"Ch4: climax and endYou're going to experience that alot. OT1 is very formulaic compared to OT2.>>4043621>It felt weird getting the credits so soon though, will the game give me some CH 5 once I complete all storylines?There's no ch5. That's it for Olberic's story. The credits never show up again after you completed your main/locked character; it's a bit absurd and thankfully the devs improved drastically in OT2 because OT1 really feels like a beta in comparison.
>>4043875I feel that OT1 also feels too..predictable? When Ophy sister showed up, asking her to drink stuff, I was already expecting her to betray us, it happened with Miguel, Simeon, the Headmaster and his slutty assitant and in a way, Therion storyline ends being less about isolationism, and more about betrayal once his final flashback rolls out. With how much everyone was backstabbing one another during their CH3s, I fully expected the former pirata nigga to pull some phantom thief on us or for Captain Bale to be some giga nigga knee deep into the black marketIf the true final boss end up being ourselves, Kit or the teacher guy, I will personally rape the anon who recomended me this game, there's a limit on how many times you can pull the Alba/Weissman maneuver in a lifetime
>>4044048OT2 has some betrayals as well, but the pacing of it thankfully varies: some at around the time of the story like OT1, some outright at the first chapter, some who were never on your side to begin with, and some that technically just came out nowhere but was working behind the scenes.
>>4044048>the teacher guyThat godsdamned Theracio and his tutelage...
That super boss in 2 is a fucking n-word. 3 hours I’ve been fighting him and I’ve only made it to the 2nd phase twice. Maybe I’m under leveled (Hikari 63, everyone else in the mid to high 50s)?
>>4044467only black people play JRPGs you're allowed to say it
>>4044467That's doable. However, you'd have to know what to equip on everyone first and what to do per turn since there's less margin for error.You genuinely won't survive against the super superboss in the Extra Battles mode (on the title screen after making a save file during the epilogue) if you can't handle the normal superboss.
>>4045078Finally beat the vanilla super boss. Undecided as to whether I should tackle the true super bosses next or play Octopath 1.
>>4046492Your call. I had to rework my entire team setup for the 3rd Extra Battles fight along with learning new skills for Hikari for utility purposes.And the 4th Extra Battles took me almost a whole hour to beat compared to the normal superboss taking like 10-15 minutes.
>>4046492>or play Octopath 1Oh.It's going to be pretty rough playing backwards from release entry.
>>4046511I’m having fun. It’s more challenging than 2. I chose Tressa as my main character because Partitio was the GOAT in 2.
Naughty deeds with Castti.
The one character I thought might be able to cure Temenos of his gay turned out to be a bad guy :(
>>4051802The only way to cure Temenos would be death
Next octopath game needs to have 12 man parties with 4 groups of three in triangles that swap left and right ala SRW Z's squad systemgive every unit generic class based backpack passives and ability for all three to do rush/combos
>>3957705I dont even remember a single character from that garbage ass game, neither the story. Completely forgettable game that did well because of a serviceable combat system and a jrpg drought at the time. Even the combat which was its strong point has been done before and better in bravely default. ASS
Apparently, Tressa is 18. That’s disappointing, I was under the assumption she was like 12. I can’t view an 18yo as a baby sister or a daughterfu.
>>4054465That means she's 15 in 0 though
>>3957705u could bake a dam pie with all the fruits in this game wowzer
Best Octobutt?
>>4054475How do they even explain the inclusion of the 1st cast then? Is Olberic a depressed brickwall? Primm is aimless as fuck? Therion is a cocky little bastard that needs to be humbled still? Is Cyrus even more of a jobber chud?
God, she's hot..
Her sprite is hella pretty and all that but..why tf is she the chapter boss?
>>4056608Oops forgot to attach
Tressa bwos..Well, her chapter is done, it felt quite weird and lacking in stakes in comparison to Olby and Primm
Finished octopath 0 yesterday. The game overstayed its welcome by a few dozen hours. it really started to fall apart once the master of all chapters started.
>>4056502Effectively, yes.They just give contrived reasons for them to join not entirely matching their real reason from OT1.Primrose for example decides to go on a "vacation" since Helgenish was paid a hefty sum for her services in advance, which he allows.
>>4056657Tressa has the worst story among both OT1 and OT2.
>>4056608>>4056629Because the devs needed to a boss for the chapter. OT1 has a boss for every chapter regardless of how contrived it is.
0 isn’t canon.
>>3957705>What is /vrpg/ opinion on the Octopath Traveler seriesYou have to admit, “Sloptoslop Sloppeler” has a ring to it
>>4058020I consider CotC closer to canon than the wreck that is 0.
>>4058469Why so? It's on the marvel slop tier of crossover or lean more akin to Coldsteel 6 games of buildup bullshit?
Am I wrong in thinking 1’s stories are better than 2’s? I haven’t finished them all yet, but thus far 1’s stories seem a bit darker and more mature than 2’sHow are 0’s stories? I’d wager fairly light considering it began life as a mobile game
>>4058020Never has been
should i play 1 or 2 first
>>4059513Honestly Tressa and H'annit stories seems hella weak, haven't played 2 yet, but Partitio seems a much more interesting character in comparison.Olberic story was kino, but I found Primm a bit lacking near the end, same with Alfyn, while some plotpoints were nice, their bosses and the build for the final confrontation seems lacking.Still need to finish the remaining characters, but it feels like Therion finale gonna inch closer to Olberic's
>>4059845Always in release order.
There are neat game mechanics they should exploit adnauseam.They dont need to go Saga mode, but field effects should be more....common? In 1, only 2 or 3 bosses use them. In 2, likewise. Not counting 0, as like in CotC, the field stuff is kinda different there.Instadeath is a curious status effect. In 1, only some bosses and a handful of normal mobs can inflict them to the party. In 2, more enemy skills inflict this status, so everyone and their dogs xan instakill your party if you are unlucky enough. In 0.... only one enemy inflicts it, and is the normal final boss, making those equipment warding against the effect useless besides that one battle.Fun fact: in 0 files there are more instakill moves, but were scrapped.
Also, I suppose I want to rant about it: why the heck are so many unused stuff in 0? Goddang! More than in 1 and 2 put together. Everyone knows they imported a ton of elements from the gacha prior v2.14, but they bothered in recoding some stuff they ended cutting in the final version.
Man, Amped Hired Blade is so goofy, those four merchants dish more damage than Cyrus maxxed sorceries
>>4058728NTA, but the main issue with 0 is that it's just overly long and boring. There's endlessly useless dialogue and build up for very little pay off. The game falls off a cliff the moment you get to the first combined route, where the new main villain is built up almost as much time as you just spent on 3 different stories, jobbing the entire time to him. When you finally get to kill him, you go back to 3 decent enough followup split plots, that aren't as good as the first set of 3. Finally, you get a combined storyline where your story just gets sidelined and it becomes mister OC donut steele's plot and you spend way to long on his wild goose chase. The finally is pretty good in its presentation, but after 70 hours of slogging through all that it's just too little too late.The balancing is also fucked. Some of the best skills are character bound, so that you're actively griefing yourself if you don't run them most of the time.
This is also the best moment in the game, and it's fucking 5 hours into a 70+ hour game. I have no idea what the fuck the devs were thinking when they storyboarded the game's plot.
>>4060750>those four merchants dish more damage than Cyrus maxxed sorceriesMid game Octopath is more about multi-hitters than one hard hitter since you need Surpassing Power to break the 9,999 damage limit. Its in end game where you want both hard-hitting and multi hitter-skills. I do hate that I need to waste a slot for Surpassing Power for characters to deal beyond the 9,999 damage cap.
>>40587280 doesn't change the main content of Side Orsterra much other than shoehorning the 0 MC and retconning things.The thing that pissed me off the most was exclusive "golden ending" for 0.
>>4060750Hired Help falls behind later since it's capped at 9999 per hit unfortunately. OT2's version is also capped the same amount too.
>>4061235>I have no idea what the fuck the devs were thinking when they storyboarded the game's plot.They weren't written at the same time. CotC is a gacha, so content came in updates.
>>4062016This. I don't blame people who avoid gacha stuff, but people should be reminded this game's story comes from a gacha that was periodically updated. Unless you began too late and you want to speedrun the whole main campaign, you are supposed to take breaks between chapters and arcs.v1.0 covered the whole Master arc (year 1)v2.0 covered Bestower of Wealth, Power and Fame v2.1x (before the v3.0) covered Bestower of AllSo you have almost three years of gacha story content cramped into a console game. Wanting to playing it without pause would make everyone burnout. Hence that dumb reddit opinion of "game overstaying its welcome".>inb4 hurr durr you can't say I'm playing the game wrong
>>4062026I'm personally counting 0 as two games in one, with the first half/game being the Maater chapters and the second half/game being the Bestower chapters. It tends to work out fine in terms of how the game plays in the first half compared to the amount of new wonderful tools you get in the second half.
The final boss of 1 looks distressingly familiar :(
