is anyone playing this?
>>3966879Just checked some screenshots, and ESL faggotry like pic related puts me off from trying it.
>>3966908that's probably referencing the fact that ouroboros, the serpent who eats its own tail, does actually wrap itself around earth's equator
>>3966916I know what it's referencing, retard. Read my post, then try to spot what's wrong with it.
>>3966917no, you just learned about iteducating one mutt at a time about mythology baka
>>3966918he meant the "it's/its" mistake
>>3966908I see your point about the grammar issue and I always dislike that as well but that means it wasn't properly checked by an editor, and it is an indie title likely developed by a non-native English speaker. This doesn't mean their creative ideas and game development will be poor so maybe give the game a chance based on its artistic merit, ya know?I'm a native English speaker who is learning multiple languages, will one day be a polyglot, and I guarantee you to Greek, Spanish, Russian, and French speakers my grammar would not be perfect were I to develop a game in THEIR language so...Yeah, STFU about "ESL" this and that, because that just means they speak more than one language - do you? :)
Unironically I've seen more Americans mistake it's/its for the longest time before calling everyone an Indian/ESL become the new hip trend.
>>3966934>This doesn't mean their creative ideas and game development will be poorActually, it is precisely because of their utter lack of basic English ability that their creative ideas are invalid. If you lack the basic decency, intellect, and sense to learn simple grammar, then it is the imperative of folks who DO have decency, intellect, and sense not to engage with your work.
>>3966942exactly, on top of that, brownoids, who make up 60% of ESL speakers on the internet, are incapable of creating anything good anyways
>>3966908Are you certain it wasn't merely but one mistake?>>3966943If you are going to insult others for their lack of skill with English, it would be wise to use correct grammar. "Exactly" should have a capital "E", and you are missing a period.>>3966934But they do not speak or write more than one language. They speak or write a broken variety of another language. If they did speak or write another language, no one would know the language they've learned was not their native tongue.>>3966879Why don't you post more about it? What sort of RPG is it, for example?
>>3966943>capital "E"don't care>missing periodnot a woman
>>3966908that's a very common mistake for EFL faggots, thoughbeit
no I'm straight
>>3966952>>3966943>>3966942All retarded, obnoxious takes. Anything you say is invalid, do not pass Go, do not collect anything, head straight to social jail and GTFO of my world. Or else.
>>3966959Ahahahaha literalol'd hard anon, that was great. "missing period, not a woman" was perfection.
>>3967093Bullshit my theory is sexuality aligns with that Pareto principle/theory. Everybody is ~80% hetero, ~20% homo with something like -/+ 3-5 variance.
>>3967120kekkest of the keks my good sire
>>3966879No, but this is the third thing that pops up when i searched for a torrent of this game to give it a try before buying, so i guess i'll ask you OP, is it a good game?
>>3966879highly AGP
Started it and the text was so slow and wouldn't let me button through as the characters just talked about bullshit. Then I did the tutorial but the keys weren't mapped correctly and I was too annoyed to solve it at that point.The trailer didn't show any of the ugly sub-touhou portraits. If it did, I wouldn't have bothered
>>3967121nigga u gay
>>3966908games made by ESLs are typically more kino by virtue of it being less likely made by an americananyway the games alright so far, anyone know where there's a breakdown of what stats like tech do? havent found an explanation yet
>>3967033A lot of people will argue it's not a mistake at all. Some people read "its" as a pronoun like "his".But others don't because calling someone "it" is denying them personhood and thinking of them as an object. A serpent is more of a living being than, say, a car. But there's something to be said about the speaker's characterization, in the way they talk about an animal as an "it" or a car as a "she".
>>3968772>A lot of people will argue it's not a mistake at all.Yeah, the target audience (low-IQ individuals) would absolutely make this argument without a shred of irony.The rest of us educated folks are quick to identify fundamental grammatical errors and even quicker to question the quality of something if its creator can't even be bothered to do simple proofreading.
>>3968772That’s not the mistake. Are you also ESL?
This thread is fucking asinine. Someone spends 5+ years making a unique product and 4chaners argue about the stupid grammar. The game is inspired by Etrian Odyssey and other 1st person dungeon crawlers. I've played 40+ hours by now. It's good. Well designed classes, interesting world, and compelling combat. There's a lot of symbolism coming from Hermeticism and Alice in Wonderland.
>>3968766Different weapons scale on different stats, but "generally" speaking, its Etrian Odyssey Rules:Str = Strength = AttackEnd = Endurance = DefenseInt = Intelligence = Magic Agi = Agility = SpeedTec = Technique = AccuracyThere are some extrapolated stats including Atk and Res, which I believe are primarily related to equipment, but generally do what you think they do. As in, bigger number = bigger damage / damage reduction.
>20 dollars with no demoI'll just go watch Malice@doll again and play EO on another screen to get the same effect, possibly a better one.>>3969906Yeah, that's what happens here dude. Especially when the game is 20 dollars with no demo and no download link is posted. The amount of time spent on something is absolutely a non-factor if nobody sees the value in it.
>>3969924>Malice@dollI highly recommend the game but to each their own. It's the first time I've ever seen anyone do EO style classes well. If you have played multiple EO games or all of them, then its a must play imo, as someone whose played almost the entire series.
>>3969933I am not paying 20 dollars for a game I can't even test in this economy. >inb4 poorfagGas money is too damn high dude.
>>3969939>>3969939If I remember correctly, there was a demo previously, but I think it was taken down. Maybe it doesn't represent the final product anymore?And overall, yeah the 20 dollar tag is a bit too much for a game of this kind for me as well, I hope they do regional pricing if they ever release it on steam.
I've got pretty far in. I'd be enjoying it more if it wasn't so clunky. Stuff like the alchemy system involves going through half a dozen text boxes 18 times per visit if you're going up to the limit for each character.
>>3969911Do ranged attacks also scale off STR, I wonder?
>>3974716Nevermind, this cutie told me.
>>3966879I can't buy because of some bsnon my end so I will need to see if I can find or wait for a download link for the latest version
>>3966879>is anyone playing thisJudging by this dead thread I guess no lmao
>>3969924>>3969939I downloaded the demo before it was taken downhttps://litter.catbox.moe/alnvkgmlx7r30xe4.rar
>>3981116Thanks, seems to be pretty different from the final game
anyone got the link to the full version?
>>3967117Go back to /pol/ xitter if you can't discuss like a rational human being.
>>3982058on torrents
>>3966879Someone in an rpg maker thread tried to sell it as Baroque + SMT and I think that's impossible, since Baroque is literally the greatest artwork of the 20th century so fuck this game or its fan for claiming that.
>>3982095i am heavily retarded, can you point me to a torrent site or a magnet link
I got through the first boss and think it was kino, but it's also bassbustingly annoying to find your way sometimes. In trying to be too much like retro SMT/EO it's kind of shooting itself in the foot, but I enjoy itAlso good themehttps://files.catbox.moe/xx42bl.ogg
im a dolly now i guess
>>3966879>only available on trannysiteI shan't be wasting my patronage.
the demo got me playing etrian odyssey again, so I guess it gets its points there
Anyone got an upload? I don't know where to even look for itch games.
>>3966879>Literal troon game with 12 reviews Not touching this with a 10 foot pole dude. Troons can't make good games they're too crazy.
>literalWords don't mean anything anymore I guess
>game demo doesn't run properly on JoiplayOh... Good thing anon posted the demo here before I wasted my money buying the full version instead
It's just an smt clone, play smt if you want smt don't let these people siphon your money with a buggy plagiarized product. Demanding 20 dollars for something like this is just absurd
>this game with no monster catching mechanic is a clone of a monster catching gameIf you used your head just for a second you would notice its actually ripping-off Etrian Odyssey and DisillusionIts pretty much the exact same structure of a EO game hidden behind the pseudo-intelectual pretentious bullshit of Disillusion as a coat of paint
>>3985935It's very clearly lifted from SMT for the ui. I don't know about the gameplay
>>3985935I don't care what it's ripping off of, all I know is, it's ripping off of something and I personally don't approve of it because the game looks like boring mental illness/troon sewage.
Is there a mod that gets rid of the ugly portraits?
sure but you have to gouge your eyes out to apply it
>>3990395Deal
i played a demo of this years ago, i thought it was pretty cool. i dont want to pay 20 bucks though lole. havent seen a torrent anywhere
>>3966908What is wrong with that sentence?
>>3993794Oh i just noticedTook me almost a minute.like who the fuck cares, your gay >>3966908
>>3993796>your gayM-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL
Oink oink oink oink
I've been playing this since I saw the thread, but I'm unable to find 2 of the keys this witch wants from the first circle, I enjoy the exploration, but I'm starting to wonder where I even missed at this point.
>>3966879Was interested because of the visuals but quick look at some gameplay vids it doesn't feel like worth the 20 burger bucks priceDoes the game have good mapping/ost/class skillsets for the price or wait for steam release?
>>3999364Yea I spent like 6 hours trying to find the 10s and 100s place keys, I'm pretty sure you cannot get them playing as the mysterian since you get locked out of most of Styx. Also after you hit enough progression flags, Lilim will just take yr keys and dip from the Backstage area of Dante 4F lol.
>>3993796>Took me almost a minute.
>>3999557Yeah, this might be the issue. I can't seem to actually enter the River Styx from what I can tell.Except I have the 0Y00 key, and 000! key.I don't know where the 1000s key is, but I assume it's because I can't access the river styx then that I can't get the 1's key, huh. Darn. I really wanted to get her the keys! This is really because of Mysterian? That's kind of lame, but I guess i'll just progress onward then.
>>3999675Oh okay interesting, where'd you end up finding the 100s place key? 1000s place is actually free since there is a guy on the Forum who gives you coordinates for the green treasure cube in the Forum backstage area. I gave up and am now at the last dungeon of the game (I assume). Will look into trying to get calculator more on playthrough 2.
>>3999743I forget which was which, but I found 1 in the Floor 5 lethe backstage area I think (you can also get there from another backstage entrance in Lethe on B5 I think, and the other was in the Crypt backstage area. In the Lethe backstage one, it's past the Seven Metals door if you recall where that is, or have seen it. If it was the Crypt one, then it's just in it's backstage area above the lava floor if I recall correctly. I can get you better details if you need it though.I'm not familiar with this forum one though. This is just an NPC I can find/talk to?Though I do assume we can't get the 4th one, if Mysterian really locks us out of Styx, I'm sure I've looked everywhere else at this point.
>>3999747The guy who gives you the hint is the Shopkeeper NPC who tells you he's setting up shop (or something to that effect) close to where you warp in from the bouncer B4F. I'll spoiler the map location in case you wanna find it yrself.I am curious about 0Y00.key though if you have any more details on that one since I only got 000!.key and A000.key.
>>3999754Yeah, I never rechecked theses shop NPCs. And sure, just tell me which you didn't get between the Lethe Backstage, or Crypt Backstage, and I can go retrace my path and give details.
>>3999755I honestly can't remember because I spent like another 4 hours trying to find something else in Dante desu...Whichever one where you didn't have to fight the rabbit chimera guy Dantallion or whatever.Also I'm heading out to a party so I'll be late to reply, but thanks in advance.
>>3999756Okay, I think that means you didn't get the Crypt one. It's a little trickier to get into.I'm not even sure if there's an item to get over there without the Mysterian spell to warp to staircases, but if Mysterian can't get to the 4th key, then there must be an item I don't have for it?In the backstage in the Crypt, you've probably been to this map, but it's in the room above the lava floors I can give maps for those if you need itWhen you talk to this NPC he marks a staircase on your map, which can't be reached, and doesn't have an up/down according to the NPC. When he marks it, he makes a comment that "If it's marked that means you've used it" or something. I learned the Mysterian Spell to go to the last staircase, and it lets you warp over to it. If there's an item with a similar ability, then you could use that instead.
>>3999770Oh okay neat, yeah I still never invested my AP into the stairs skill on Mysterian so I would have never figured this out lol, good to know.Still, I'm curious as to where the other key could be. I can only assume Styx, but maybe not. I'll just have to check on my second playthrough.Have you messed around with Alchemy at all? I still haven't really tried that out just cuz it's a wall of information and I have no clue where to really even start with it, plus in my experience, the game has been more than lenient with you being able to outscale things damage-wise where the buff aren't super necessary (this might change in Knossos...).
>>4000075Yeah, I learned it after talking to the NPC just to see if it really worked, and it did. But there must be an item with the same effect if other Archetypes are supposed to be able to get over there, I guess, right? I tried it once or twice, but it feels like an information overload that is hard to get information on. I've just been waiting for "better" rituals.So I haven't really messed with it yet.
>>4000206Word, yea it's just so much text to commit to memory compounded with the fact that you have to die to unlock rituals adds a bit of friction to it all.Luckily the game is finally killing me 45h in now so hopefully I will have at least some of the rituals by NG+ or whatever happens after you beat it.I'll look into it more then and maybe I'll prepare some documentation or something since having to look through all the tutorials is kinda untenable.
For the record, you can't get all four keys on a first playthrough getting them all unlocks a pretty massive skip for Dante so there's a good reason for that>>4000215There's also all the books you can finance [that aren't just setting details or ones that kill you if used], which do spell things out a bit more but also add more things to remember.
>>4000698Oh okay cool, yea I figured based on what Tao says when you see her in Styx about the Mysterian being a "Rule Breaker".I just finished up my first playthrough and am starting out with the Conspirator, which I can only assume is the more "Cartography-centric" geared class based on the description it gave me. Looking forward to finding out!Regardless, this game rules. It's kinda everything I've ever wanted from like Saturn and DS era Atlus dungeon crawlers. ofc Fatlus would never deliver us such kino...
>>4000716Completely agree. The game is exactly the type of style I enjoy.>>4000698Huh, you can't even if you aren't Mysterian? Are you just always Mysterian on a first playthrough, or what exactly prevents it?
this looks cool but I'm not paying $20 for an itchio game and it's not on any of the common piracy sites so I'll just pretend I never saw it.
>>4000716Conspirator is actually the purest combat-focused class. Oracle is also more combat-focused, but it's more focused on utility.>>4000724Two of the keys are in areas that are exclusive to one another on the first playthrough. Mysterian gets shoved into the Crypt, Conspirator has to go through Styx, and Oracle gets a choice.
>>4000792Huh, I see. Okay, thank you. That explains it. Are there only the 3 archetypes in this game?If you can't get there, how is it that you're able to get the 4 then in subsequent playthroughs if I may ask? I'll still haven't continued since getting bummed out about the keys, but after I finish, I'm probably going to resume trying this. Do you just keep them or something?
>>4000792Ahh thank you, that's fine. I'm glad this game has so much replayability since I'm still over the moon with it.I do hope that some of the NG+ only bosses present some challenge since with Mysterian I had Gunner and a and whatever the Dark Hunter/Shogun etrian equivalent class was called Bondage somethin-or-other doing a billion to every boss.>>4000724Yea as far as I can tell, just from the 10 minutes I've put into NG+ so far you unlock those other two classes, each of which have fresh new skill trees and default stat distributions. They do keep some of the Mysterian skills though like Compass, which is nice.
>>4000860I assume it's not intended but I went back to her with my 3 keys, missing the tens, I think it was? And she said I had all 4 and let me proceed, for the record.
>>4000861Really?? okay that's gotta be a bug (not surprising with this game lol) with the flags. Curious how that could have been set though, huh.
>>4000863Yeah, it seemed to work with just the 3 I was able to get. I'm not sure why, I just went to see if she had dialogue indicating whether I'd have to give up, but it was the opposite instead.I'm not too surprised either, but for some reason she maybe just doesn't check for the tens key? Or who knows.
>>4000864Word, I'll have to try this with conspirator then since I doubt enough people have even gotten to Dante 4F to even see this yet to report it.
>>4000866I just started my next playthrough. Trying to find the phantom with this jar for the Labor for styx. I don't need/want excessive hints, I've tried walking to several places where she's been, but can't seem to find her. Is she somewhere entirely new after this flag is set? Is it still in Lethe somewhere? It's kinda hard to tell with how large this area is, and how many tiles there are.Assuming you know/did this also.
Seeing comments saying its EO inspired make me interested but the screenshots make it look more like SMT + schizo/depression slop, is there a lot of story or is it more about exploration and combat?And how many classes are there? Some of the comments seem to suggest its relatively short but has stuff to encourage multiple playthroughs, which also isn't very like EO
>>4001149I got the Jar and went to one of the tiles where I knew she would spawn. I'd assume any event tile where the Phantom Minotaur spawns is a valid solution to this, but I found her on my way towards Lethe's Area Boss.Basically, as long as you make yr way up there, you should run into her.I actually just finished Styx a bit ago, it's a really funny dungeon, glgl.
>>4001185I was trying some of the lower floor ones, like BF5, but maybe she can't appear there, since I didn't do the high ones yet. Either way, thanks, I'll try that then.
>>4001156I mean, the game as a whole is a love letter to all of Atlus' dungeon crawlers. The vibes are definitely more SMT inspired, specifically the first 3 on the SFC as well as Soul Hackers and Strange Journey. That being said, Etrian's blood pulses through the classes in this game as well as the gameplay as a whole. I would know, I used to speedrun the games.There's nothing slop about this. Outside of a few bugs and crashes (which did not affect my first or now second playthrough meaningfully at all) this game has been incredible for me personally. I wouldn't let the posts above deter you from dropping a jackson on this.
>>4001193I regret using the word slop because its so overused at this point and it's really just some stylistic stuff that puts me off the game
>>4001396Nah yr good bro, I'm also just passionate. The art is very soul hackers-ish so if that's not yr thing, I get it. Also, my first playthrough took me 47h21m so if you were really worried about playtime, I don't think that would end up being a dealbreaker.Dungeon crawling feels way more like SJ and Etrian 3 than anything else so that might be more what yr looking for, but idk.Classes, while I haven't really gotten the chance to dig super deep into them, are definitely a step below Etrian classes. I have yet to find anything where yr doing crazy Hexer Revenge strats Dark Hunter FOE instakills or Wildling Call Tiger on bosses or Yggdroid bot spam or really anything like that, but like we found those all after years of forum posts and such and this game is really new so yr mileage may very. Kinda depends on what you value from Etrian. That's kinda one of the reasons I didn't like SQX so totally understand that.
>>4001185I just finished Styx, though I ended up having to fight the Guardian. I assume that means there were other events I needed to trigger, that dungeon is actually crazy though. Lol. the map stopped being reliable towards the end too. I'm sure I missed a good bit there, but it was rough with how huge it is.I'll definitely need to try it again afterwards.
>>4001469Yea I had to fight Gatekeeper too, and came to the same conclusions, nutty fucking dungeon lmao.Specifically the part with the walls that kept moving around filtered me for like 40 minutes until I found the secret door in the wall that leads north.I also just realized since I was curious, that NG+ Reset is currently not implemented yet, wonder when that's gonna get done.Regardless, today I look for the Styx key I guess. Not sure how I would get the Crypt key without Mysterian's stair skill.
>>4001471Okay an addendum to the Styx stuff. I did figure out how you were supposed to skip the boss, I'll spoiler it out, but I think it's probably a good idea to go back and do it. All I will say unspoilered is to check the center of the map.In the center of Styx there is a giant obelisk and visiting the south side of the obelisk leads you to a boss fight with another wizard who opens up a door down to the inner areas of the lower floors of styx. Yr gonna find Seras there and eventually you will find the song on the bottom floor. While it doesn't seem to help you any more in Styx, it will let you finally get to the Maw of Hell, which is really nice. Also I found a Sigil on that same bottom floor of Styx where I can only imagine the key is, however it is seemingly inaccessible. I'll spoiler the image where you can see it>>4000075Another thing, I never seemed to find that Backstage area in the Crypt that you mentioned here, can I get some help finding that?
>>4001510Sure, it's on this floor, which is directly above the big damage floor map. If you need additional details, I can elaborate further too.I was too lazy to circle it, but you should be able to see where I am near it on the map. That leads into it's Backstage area which leads to the other image and solution I gave previously.
>>4001539Ahh I'm so stupid lmao, yr the best man thank you! I swear I checked that but I guess not.I'll go see if Conspirator can do anything there, and if not, it's back to Styx to scour the map forever to try to get to that Backstage area.One day my Doll will be able to use math skill just like Ramza...
>>4001550Unless you have a way to teleport to the staircase the NPC marks on your map, you won't be able to do much inside there I believe.
>>4001552Yup, there is no way to get there without it, was worth a try though...Back to styx for 10 billion hours I fear lmao.
Soooo, I ended up giving up on the 4th key with conspirator and beat the game again (still got 1B). Curious what I missed to not get another ending but my NG+ save now looks different. Will include it in the post.Doing another mysterian playthrough to get the 100s place key now, which I got. Have no idea how I solved that black box lmao.>>4000861So I tried going to Lilim with 3 of the 4 keys and she wouldn't let me have the calculator so I guess I gotta find the styx one. At least with Maw of Hell and all the carryover from 2 playthroughs getting around is free, like you can get to Dante within' 20 miniutes of starting cycle 3 which is pretty niiiice.
>>4003491I've gone through 3 playthroughs (I rushed one really fast)I've gotten 1a and 1b only. I'm not sure what triggered it, but I had a dialogue option in front of the Moloch System scene, and choosing what I think the name is seems to effect 1a vs 1b (I saved/loaded to confirm this). I have no idea how to set other flags/endings right now though.My 3rd run was under 2 hours, since I rushed there, just doing a couple things. (Dante is really fast if you get the tool from the 4 keys (3 for me))But I need to do more heavy re-exploration now I guess.This is how my progress looks currently.
>>4003497Damn, i really wish I could lucky with Lilim for calculator, but I guess I'll just thug it out for the 4th key in Styx, but it looks like whatever the worldegg flags mean stay the same regardless if you get 1A or not, just the clear percentage changes.By name, do you mean the Automaton's name? I was thinking that naming her Ariadne might do something but still haven't tried that.This game is such a mystery lmao. I feel like the 3 of us in this thread who have cleared the first cycle might be the only people in the world...
>>4003504For me, in the scene where the Architect asks us what our sisters name is, I get an option. In my first playthrough I didn't.It gives me the option "Ariadne" or "[player name]"When I choose the first, I get 1b. If I choose the latter I get 1a. Sorry, I don't actually know how to spoiler text, since besides this thread I'm more of a lurker, lol. I'd normally spoiler some of this text.I'm not sure what caused me to start getting this option though, unless it related to triggering some scene with the Phantom.
>>4003507Ahh interesting, yea i haven't seen that option before, maybe my 2nd mysterian play will let me choose...and spoilering text on 4chan has always been ass, whenever I take like a 5 year break from posting on here I forget, google has the answer for you though, that's how I remind myself
someone please upload the files i really can't justify $20 USD on an itch game
>>4003513Bro, the rest of us are like 60+ hours into this game. I think you can afford to spend 20 dollars on a video game that quite literally has hundreds of hours of content in it. Put the fries in the bag.
>>4003522i didn't say i couldn't afford it, i said i couldn't justify it. nice tacking on of a zoomer meme to look fun and cool though
>>4003507>>4003510Highlight the text you want to spoiler and press ctrl+s, it'll put the formatting commands around itniggerniggernigger
>>4003522I would gladly buy it, but I can only use paypal to buy shit on itch.io and it's also lacking regional pricing so fuck that.
>>4003497You need to do a few things before you can get endings other than 1a/1b:2a requires the Phantom to remember ending 1a; I did it one way but apparently there's a second one.2b I think requires 2a's prerequisites to trigger, requires you to have a certain tool [it's the most elaborate one], and also for nobody else to make it to the ending room.2c starts being available once you get the aforementioned tool; just go to the end normally.2d doesn't get written to the world egg and requires wasting an absurd amount of time to actually trigger; I had to save edit to get this one.3a/b are triggered based on your alignment with Seras/Lilim respectively; you can check the palm reader to see what your alignment is, and if it's strong enough it'll persist even if you have to fight them before the ending elevator.4a has 3a as a prereq. Talk to Seras in Lethe F10 and again in Styx and you'll know what to do.RoW requires 2c/3b as prereqs. Just follow Lilim.RoS requires 4a as a prereq: go back to where 4a takes you, then kill yourself in Root D.
>>4004549Thank you!!! I did a bunch of what I can only assume are the prereqs for 2A in my second playthrough but I still haven't gotten 1A so I guess I'm just locked out of that until I get the dialog option at the end.What save tool are you using btw? I know some online that let me see all the flags in an array with just numbered indices, but if you have another tool I'm curious.
>>3966879This looks neat, I might pirate it.
>>4004810The phantom's dialogue at the bridge will be different if you've done it right.As for the save editor, I think that's the same one I used. 332 should be the variable to change.
>>4004899I've gone ahead and started looking through the inventory with the save tool here: https://www.saveeditonline.com/ and I'm working on a text doc to try to just make things a bit more convenient. Looks like items have flags for if you've gotten them before on a given save too which is neat, no wonder there are a billion flags when you bring them up.I'll spoiler my findings thus far.
>>4003497So I finally got the calculator and finished my 3rd cycle, I got the prereqs for 1a, but due to me fucking around with the calculator a bit, I got locked into 3b which was very interestingReally looking forward to seeing the 2 endings now (i hope i got the prereqs for those since I did choose the latter dialog before going into the egg)Anyways, here's my world egg save
>>4004888Good luck trying lol
>>4005105I finally got my 1A clear. You can beat this game on NG+ really fast with the Maw of Hell and the Master Key it's kinda insane, ended up clearing Cycle 4 in just under 55 minutes.Something interesting in Knossos in this cycle was that Tao gave me the Rightside Up Key after I skipped all her dialog and noticed that it was slightly different mid-mash. I need to reload my intermission save and read through it this time. VERY curious what the upside down and rightside up keys doAnyways, this puts me at 19% complete with 3 Tools and 3 Endings. 1A, 1B, 3B
>>4004549So I think I figured out the prereqs for 2A which I'm gonna spoiler my observations here:After 1A head to 5F and answer NO to Phantom Minotaur, then head back to B5F and answer YES to Phantom Minotaur (telling her the garden area is called "Ferdinand". Something I'm curious about is that when she looks into my eyes she sees nothing... Did I fuck up? I feel like I must be missing something else here.Also I totally get the "Most Elaborate Tool" comment you made for 2B, this is wack and I have no idea what is for. Though, I'm sure I'll figure that out when I get to it.
>>4005506Try going back to Oberon.
>>4005652yup, that was my next thought. thanks!
I'm still not entirely sure what Pollyanna can do. I assume it does something, if one of the comments in the changelog means anything, and I did some charting of what positions flip tags, but it's frustratingly nonlinear and I'm not sure what positions would even trigger other things going on with it.
>>4005506I've done the same things, but have had 0 success still. I've been trying to see if I'm missing a flag somewhere, but no real luck.
>>4005679Yea I was trying to go through yr notes and I was just confusing myself more. The value of the Puzzlebox seems to matter even less than how you end up get to said value... But still it's nonsensical in a non-deterministic way (see -600). I really haven't had too much time to play around with it, but I'll look into it more when I have downtime at work.
>>4005804Okay at least I kinda had the same idea, but I have some thoughts. The places that stuck out to me to check were Lethe 5F, Lethe B5F, Bottom of Styx?, and Oberon since all those locations have long cutscenes with the Phantom Minotaur. I think that the order you go to these areas might matter. I'm gonna try going to Oberon after Lethe 5F and see if her dialog changes at Lethe B5F later today.
>>4005855I'm taking a break from my eternal gf PollyannaUpon future looking into this, it does in fact seem deterministic (i would hope), but how you get to values matters. As it should, it's not about the numbers per se, but how you get to those numbers that will ultimately be influencing the ?EGG TEST? flags as far as I can tell.
>>4005882This is the furthest I've gotten without starting to break flagsThings are starting to make sense to me here, as long as my assumption is that we want to fill all of the cells with 'X'. It's not quite so simple since there are "Trap" values that reset certain cells. My first roadblock here is at 250, [1][0] gets reset back to 0 so I need to find a way to avoid that while trying to get to 50 so I can down to 25. This might not be the right way, but hopefully this points you guys in "A" direction, not sure if it will be the right one though lol...
>>4005105Out of curiosity where/how did you end up getting the last key? I never ended up finding where it was, though I don't need it for the calculator.
>>4006430After like 20 more hours of looking, I gave up and just gave myself 00#0.key with a save editor like a coward.I'm gonna look for it again after I finish up Lilim's "revolution" ending which I accidentally locked myself into trying to get 2A
Does anyone know how to get more Labrys keys? or how to make that merchant sell them again? I haven't been able to get more since my first playthrough.
>>4007148Well you get the first one from talking to Velvet, but I'm not sure if she will ever give you more. Basically, I ran into the same issue and just save edited more in.I bet Jiji is actually the solution to this with Item Conversion in the Junk Shop if I really had to guess.If yr really struggling, go into the save editor and change the value of Item#84.
>>4007160Yeah, a merchant in the backstage behind the annoying colored tile segment was selling them to me in my first run, because he said I seemed like a Cartographer. But he thinks I'm not one in all my current playthroughs. I assume there is some trigger for him to think that, but I can't figure out what it is.I'll keep trying to figure it out for now.
>>4007162Oh okay, I never checked back there really after my first ending (working through my fifth right now).That must be tied to Lilim/Seras alignment then...
>>4005804Any luck getting 2A? I reloaded my save from before the Root - ? - Alignment Lock which did Lethe 5F, Lethe B5F, and Oberon and still got locked into 1A/BI thought I was actually gonna get it since I got a 10F Knossos Configuration just like I did with the RoW Ending but maybe that is unlocked by doing both 1B and 1A...Will spoiler my current World Egg on this poast.
>>3966908I can completely understand how a native english speaker would make this mistake. If you were to write a similarly possessive sentence like "a dog's tail" you would have the apostrophe, but for some reason we skip the apostrophe for possession when using "its" even though in the pic we're clearly describing a proper noun (the serpent). I get mad over shitty grammar too but I guess this one is easy for me to overlook. Saying it's ESL feels like a stretch to me, given that around half the native speakers here likely have no idea what's wrong with the sentence.
>>4007310Yes, I did manage to get the 2a ending.I did floor 5f Lethe event, answered her in the obvious way that we had been there.Went straight to Oberon after this, Lilim commented on my puzzle box, and told me how to set it. I followed her directions, and she also told me to meet her in the backstage of Dante for future cycles (I can't find her though...)After I set the puzzle box as she instructed, and went to the mirror room, it played out differently, and I proceeded to the end with new events for 2a.
>>4007528Thanks, will restart and try this. Something else, I did manage to get some leads on what may lead to 3A, but it was just that Seras has new dialog on Lethe 10F, other than that I'm not so sure what the game wants.
>>4007528So i tried doing the exact steps you laid out here and Lilim doesn't mention anything about the puzzlebox still (not sure if this is supposed to happen in oberon right before you enter any of the mirrors). Also I'm playing as the Oracle maybe that's the problem idkIn regards to her comments about the backstage in Dante, I think she is referring to the start of the RoW route which is only available after you do Oberon. Try doing the Dante sequence break after Oberon and Lilim should have some extra dialog afterwards
>>4007622I was Mysterian if that has any chance of effecting it. That's weird, I didn't do anything else, hmn... I may've triggered Lilim's basement event before doing anything else? I kinda doubt that'd affect it though.
>>4007635Okay, hmm. I think I cleared 1A first with Mysterian (will have to check my VODs) so maybe I try with her again...If I can't get that to work, maybe I can bruteforce the puzzlebox, but without the dialog I'll be fuckin' clueless lolCurious too if getting 3B earlier affects things.Will update after trying again.
>>4007669If you can't get the event to trigger, she told meto do it right five times (iirc, it was either that or left, but I think it was right)
I think I found where the key should've been in Styx, it was actually so easy to find, I'm sad I never found the door, but it had an empty box inside of it. Either because I'm Mysterian currently, or because I've already gotten the item with only 3.
>>4007682IT WORKED TYSM!!!!
Finally got 2A. It's peak. ty again anon for the help with the puzzlebox.Spoilering my World Egg (added RoW cell and clear times)
>>4007622Huhmn, I'm trying to trigger this, but dunno if she's supposed to be somewhere after I put do the sequence break (am I supposed to wake the Swan first? I didn't. But the scene went normal, and I can't find Lilim now)
>>4005105Oh, I guess the actual issue might be I haven't figured out how to trigger 3b yet. Messing with the calculator let you do this? hmn...
>>4008127Yes, I only started getting this dialog once I had cleared both 1B and 3B.I got 3B, by doing the calculator stuff, but outside of that, I'm not super sure how I got myself alignment locked. I'd just go to a bunch of places where you can agree with Lilim, like the courtyard on Lethe B5F, and such.If you are still having trouble, I can point you to my VODs of me getting that ending.
>>4008165That's what I've been trying, but I can't seem to get it. I went to Lethe BF5, then I went to Lethe Backstage to tell her the class I saw her as last. Then I went to do her event at Dante to send the Swan to the backstage. I am not sure what else I can do. I also went and fought the other Chimera bosses, but I'm not sure if that's increase it or not.
>>4008166I'm pretty sure all I did was talk to her at Lethe B5F and in the backstage at Dante 4FIf I had to guess though, doing a blackbox or 2 and talking to her again at Dante 4F should do the trickFeel free to check my 3rd playthrough VODs (oh noooooo I'm doxxing myself)https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2800560851, https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2800667452, https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2802949990
>>4008170It's not possible to redo the black box dungeons again is it? If it is, I'm not sure how.
>>4008171That's a really good point, I haven't tried going back since I got 3B...
>>4008172When I go to the chests that used to have the keys in them, it just tells me it's empty (including what I believe in the Styx one which I never got. I still just have my 3 keys.)
>>4008173Hmmmmm... yeah idk, have you been going for 1A when trying to trigger 3B in Knossos, that's how it worked for me.Idk if this will help, but if you need 00#0.key for some reason it is Item#202 in yr save.
>>4008176I'll try adding that if nothing seems to be working, but yeah, I generally default to trying to get 1a if I get the option and nothing else.
>>4008177There is also the possibility that me getting 3B before any of the 2 endings was not intended since that's what the anon who dropped all the endings put next to 3B...
Hmn... I guess I feel more stuck now than I have before.Unable to get 2b, 2c, 3a, 3b or any of the later ones locked behind those.I'm also unsure about how to get more tools. Lilim still keeps wanting me to get more, and the tool list is still surprisingly open with lots of missing spots. I also still haven't figured out what to do with the Crypt of Beasts.That NPC that talks about silver doors, and silver keys. I've still never seen a silver door, or a silver key.
>>4008411Yea I'm not exactly sure how I ended up getting 3B and since I couldn't see what effected my alignment it's kind of a mystery.So if you do the Dante skip. The path to RoW is just that skeleton key sigil in the room, maybe you can try going there?Crypt of Beasts just seemed like another Digger minigame to me, so I didn't really try it out and now since I have no idea how to get another Jar, I'm not sure if I will be able to lol...You have seen a Silver Door on Dante 4F, but that's only important for getting 1B. At least, I can't think of any other silver doors to my knowledge.Curious about the tools though since I still only have 4 of the 10 listed. Frankly, I'm not convinced that you can even get 10 in the base game from stuff the RoW ending told me.My next thoughts for my playthrough are trying to do 2A after having fought theseus in the crypt, but I'm gonna be away from tomorrow to wednesday so I won't really be able to play the game for a bit unfortunately...>>4004549Hey ending anon, you got any advice?
>>4008418Oh, we can get another Jar from Seras in Styx. She's near the end, but just hands us one. I can't figure out what to do with it though. I keep trying to figure out what to do with the Mercurial Eye with it, but I don't see a way to do anything different with it there.
>>4008418I've just never seen a door on dante 4f, so I guess I must be missing something somewhere, lol.
>>4008425this guy, he blocked your path to 5F in your first playthrough and you had to give him the silver key
>>4008430oh... my first playthrough I got Lilim's thing with 3 keys, so I never actually did that in my first playthrough, lol.That helps, I thought it was a normal door.
>>4008433OOOOOHHH, yea I forgot lmao, my bbasically, yr good on silver keys, although that shit was evil I don't miss doing that 50 hours ago
Well, I did end up getting 3b. In this run I actually triggered 0 of Lilim's events, except the one near Oberon. I triggered all of Seras's that I could though. So I'm not entirely sure how it works, but I'm happy I got it, lol.
>>4008471that's fucking hilarious lmao!someone I know online has decompiled the game recently and is looking through the source files, so we might have an answer for how all this works soonish.lowkey bummed that I'm not gonna be able to play this for a few days, but hopefully by the time I'm back on here posting, you guys will have figured everything out.
I'm back, let's figure out 2B or 3A today lads
So I'm working through 3A right now, at least I assume it's for 3A, but it could be RoS I just don't know.Here's what I've noticed so far:Going to Lethe 10F and answering Seras' prompts "Yes", and then "Gold" seems to do something. >>4008421After doing this, Seras Does not give you a Jar in Styx actually, she asks you to find 4 "Lost Ones" and gives you the rough circle locations for each of them (1 in Lethe, 1 in the Crypt of Popes, and 2 in Dante)Now I thought that these might be the Hermits that you sometimes find in the game, but upon checking the Crypt, that doesn't seem to be the case. So I'll continue looking into it.
