>>3968568
Rogue Trader is ok in this regard with more bespoke encounters, if still having rather simplistic encounter design, the PF games are both complete, bloated dogshit.

>>3968568
>100 hours
>chapter 2 or 3
What?

>>3968568
a)Not all combats need to be done in turn based
b)Even in turn based, precise control helps deal with fights pretty fast past early chapter 1.
c)Whatever the fuck you are doing (mouthing every word, clicking on every pixel, drawing everything on graph paper), it extends your playtime 3 times the average.
Yes, the games have filler combat, pacing issues etc, but eve a first time playthrough slowly can be FINISHED in 100 ours.

Better drop out of these games

>>3968580
He's playing turn-based.

>>3968580
I'm on season of bloom quest (find and explore the womb of lamashtu)

>>3968587
Yes, so do I.
From the moment the mod introduced it.
It's still absurd to have 100 horus and be barely at the middle. That's 'let me ask chatgpt what to do every turn' territory.

>>3968586
I mean i'm just trying to do all the side content I can and get the most out of the game bit it still feels like never ending battle after battle. I admit i'm probably a little slower than the average gamer and it takes me some time to get through it, but i'm playing on 2x speed and it still feels like its not enough.

As for "these games" Larian or even old Bioware doesnt have these problems at all. Bg1, 2, 3 all had great combat pacing compared to Kingmaker. Theres really no excuse for Owlcat. I'm slow but i'm not retarded. This game is overstuffed to an insane extent.

>>3968596
The game is overstuffed and weirdly paced (though mostly for the latter half), but if you are playing with 2x speed for animations and you are 100 hours in and barely 50% done, you are fucking slow to an outlier extent.
Kingmaker has issues, and whatever the fuck you are doing exacerbates them to the nth degree.
Better drop it and Owlcat, this is not a game you should push through till you are retired on this pace

Are there any mods for replacing the nig characters?

>>3968600
The one black character you do not even have to recruit? No.

>>3968602
I just want to be able to play that paladin wthout looking at a nig pfp and hearing a nig voice.

>>3968612
Wrong game.

Got bored and never finished it. Started doing the castle stuff and some companion quests and was just not in to it.

>>3968568
>everything about the game is really quite good
Yeah, it's definitely a masterpiece.
>there's just one thing thats kind of ruining the entire experience and is tempting me to drop the game and Owlcat as a whole forever
... uh...??? Have you spoken with your therapist about your complete lack of emotional regulation or self control?
>Does the filler combat ever let up?
What do you define as filler combat? Should the combat consist of nothing but the boss and literally nothing else?
>Maybe it's because i'm playing turn based with a controller(pc)
A controller? For a PC game? An RPG that specifically assumes you're playing it on a PC??? Why would you fucking do that? Like... WHY???
>it feels like i'm fucking drowning in combat all the fucking time. I'm playing on challenging and it kind of feels fucking ridiculous at this point and the pacing is completely fucked by virtue of constant never ending battle at all fucking times.
Have you... have you tried talking to anyone? Have you tried reading the dialogues? Have you tried managing your kingdom or traveling between areas to talk to the artisans or do any quests? Have you talked to your companions at all? The combat doesn't even take a minute per encounter. If you can't spare 60 seconds to do a little combat in a small-group-tactics tactical RPG... maybe talk to your therapist about getting screened for some kind of underlying neurological abnormality.
>Are all the Owlcat games like this?
No? Though the three made so far are small-group-tactical-combat RPGs. I just don't think the combats are anything remotely egregious.
> I already bought all of them because I heard they were on par with Larian.
Owlcat is far better than Larian. In literally every respect. I find your attempt to compare them rather disturbing.

>>3968593
Agreed. There's something the OP is not telling us. There's just no way any of this shit makes any sense. Their story is not adding up, and I'm suspicious that he's telling some lies in order to stir up some shit with misinformation.

>>3968568
If you're talking about the random encounters while traveling on the overland map, that's a Stealth skill issue. During camping, you select a party member who is doing the Stealth check to conceal your camp. That slot is also used to determine whether you evade random encounters.
You obviously want to put a party member with a very high Stealth skill check in that slot. If you succeed on the Stealth checks, then you can choose to just evade random encounters and you won't get ambushed while you're camping. All of this is explained in-game, too, by the way.

>>3968676
>misinformation

>>3968675

>Have you... have you tried talking to anyone? Have you tried reading the dialogues? Have you tried managing your kingdom or traveling between areas to talk to the artisans or do any quests? Have you talked to your companions at all? The combat doesn't even take a minute per encounter. If you can't spare 60 seconds to do a little combat in a small-group-tactics tactical RPG... maybe talk to your therapist about getting screened for some kind of underlying neurological abnormality.

Yes I've done all those things, yes i'm very through with side content and dialogue and yes I do have an underlying neurological abnormality

>The combat doesnt take longer than a minute

This is just not my experience at all. Again maybe its because i'm playing turn based with a controller but.... in the womb of Lamashtu cave in the "season of bloom" quest I just did like 4 encounters back to back of 6-10 mystical giant spiders each enchanted with blur. I guess I i'm not running blind fight so fuck me I guess? Each encounter was probably 5 -7 mins. And thats just the first flour of the cave. I could speed it up by playing braindead and just spam rests and rations but it kind of takes the fun out of the game not playing to my utmost every battle. Like my life is genuinely on the line.

>A controller? For a PC game? An RPG that specifically assumes you're playing it on a PC??? Why would you fucking do that? Like... WHY???

This game is ported to console anon, it has proper controller UI configuration. The controller actually feels pretty smooth and I doubt its the issue here, though maybe. I can snap through the abilities and menus pretty fast. Controller has always been more instinctive to me then M+KB.

>>3968676
Damn near everything I told you is true. My palm is open and i'm not holding anything back. The only mistakes or "misinformation" is that its probably more like 90 hours instead of 100. (5 hrs first character, 5 hours idle time if I had to guess )

>>3968678
No thats not the issue I rarely get into overland battles. Its like every cave or area I go to the process is the exact same.

>go to interesting new area
>explore
>walk 5 feet
>combat encounter
>walk 5 more feet
>combat encounter

Basically run this loop for 35-40 mins through an area with 1 maybe* 2 instances of

>unique npc dialogue with something interesting happening

That usually lasts 15- 25 seconds as the dialogue is pretty short in this game.

Im actually being pretty fucking generous. I'm pretty sure I waded through damn near 1 1/2 to 2 hours of trolls get to the tartuk and the troll chief boss at the end of that troll lair level. All for for maybe 25 seconds of diologue at the end (and i'm a slow reader, like fucking extremely slow). It was fucking ridicously disporporportionate in terms of build up and pay off.

>>3968902
The peak of the troll quest was playing a paladin and picking the [LAWFUL GOOD] “I’m Johnny from Buenos Aires and I say kill ‘em all” option

>>3968893
>yes I do have an underlying neurological abnormality
And there it is.
Ok. Yeah, we knew that already, but we just wanted you to directly confront it out in the open.
Your disability might or might not be your fault, but it's no one else's responsibility. Go manage your whatever on your own. It's not our responsibility to make you have fun. We don't have to convince or persuade you about anything. Go deal with your shit, anon.

>>3968893
True Seeing negates Blur and Displacement. At that character level, you should be casting Communal True Seeing from a Cleric or Wizard. Blur / Displacement / Mirror Image is a crucial defensive layer for enemies in the game, and Fey-associated creatures in particular.
By that time in the game, you've seen these defenses frequently and you've seen what it means. You have had 100 hours in which to consider what feats you're buying. You've had plenty of time, warning and information to consider picking up Blind Fight feats. And to learn about See Invisibility and True Seeing spells. That's all entirely on YOU and YOUR decisions.
Those spider encounters in that part of the plot should not take more than a single round. By that character level, trash fights don't generally require all of your characters to even take actions. Even the uber bosses don't last more than three rounds.
So, apparently, you have somehow spent 100 hours doing.... what, exactly???? Because it sure was not fucking playing the game. It's just not fucking possible to spend that much time in the game and somehow not know how literally basic shit works. Blur is a level 2 spell, anon.

>>3969031
I mean yes I have a disability but that doesnt negate my general position is any logical sense. To suggest that my critique is invalid on the basis of my being disabled is fallacy anon. Come on now. Your using like a front page textbook fallacy.

>You are blank
>So your argument is invalid

Uhhhh

>>3969055
The fact that you play with 2x speed for animations and have played through 4/10ths of the game at the same time people finish it is indicative of issues, not your critique.

And regardless of quality , there is no need to push through if you feel fatigue/fed up with filler in the better paced half of the game

>>3968580
Given how many times I restarted the first couple chapters before I was happy with my character and choices sounds about right.

>>3969034
I know what blur does, I just idk mann. I'm using a meta guide for my magus build, blind fight just wasnt recommended until a later level. Its like yea I can cast true seeing with my wizard but my understanding that only they* will be able to see through blur not the other characters that really do heavy damage. Its like yea I'm gonna cast true seeing with the that betacuck cleric and hes gonna dps smoke those spiders down like hes a fucking pally wally like what the fuck are you even saying anon? Thats ridiculous at that point I may as well just roll the D5 and blitz crank through blur until I hack them down with my damage dealers and leave my cleric and wizard to haste/slow add damage roll buffs.

How the fuck would you even use true seeing and smoke the enemies down in a single round? That makes no fucking sense. That would require two rounds minimum even by your own example...?

>>3969055
>I mean yes I have a disability but that doesnt negate my general position is any logical sense.
Yes it does. You're the only one having all the issues you're describing. Everyone else in the thread is stunned and amazed and bewildered about how you can be having the experience you're claiming you have.
The problem is definitely you. Not the game.

>>3969062
True Seeing can be cast on other characters. See Invisibility is self-only. Communal See Invisibility and Communal True Seeing cast the spell on all allies in the radius. Anyone who has the buff running on them gains the benefits.
I don't know how you don't understand this, it's pretty simple and obvious stuff. The spells themselves are very very very clear about all of this in great detail. It's literally right there in the game. Read stuff, dude.
>that betacuck cleric
Spend less time on terminally-online YouTuber bullshit jargon. Spend more time actually fucking reading shit. You sound like a particularly retarded ten year old. And you probably are one.
>How the fuck would you even use true seeing and smoke the enemies down in a single round?
...
Anon. Cast True Seeing on your warriors. Put it on Ekun and stand back to avoid the splatter. While they have True Seeing running, Blur and Displacement and Mirror Image do not apply against their attacks. Ekun with True Seeing will land every attack as long as the die doesn't land on a natural 1 which is only a 5% chance on each roll. How is this so complicated for you? How have you spent 100 hours in the game and you don't know this shit?
At this point you need to actually convince us that you have played the game. Tell us something that you couldn't have learned by reading a wiki somewhere.

All my homies live in Echolocation from an alchemist. True Seeing is old shit

>>3969082
Uhhh I could just send you a screenshot of my time played. Is that enough? Idk the bipolar split personality tiefling bitch is best girl?

I actually never used the term betacuck until someone called me that IRL at DnD last week. I'm 25.

>>3969151
God, it just keeps getting worse and worse every time you reply. Fucking stop.

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>>3969155
I'm deadass right now

>>3969189
ON GOD?! FR FR?! NO CAP?! OMG R U SRS RN?! SKULL EMOJI CRYING EMOJI!!!!!!!!``1`1`1~!!~!~1!~!!~!1~!

>>3969189
You took.... a photo.... with your phone... of your computer's monitor...

...

dot fucking dot dot.

>>3969213
My computer is hooked up to a tv. I'm accessing 4chan through my android. I'm not going to share my steam username and I'm not in the mood to hunt down this thread on pc and crop a photo just so I can post a proper screenshot in this thread so yes.... i'm going to speedmaxx and take a 7 second photo of my tv get over it and yourself.

>>3969213
What, do you people not have phones or something?

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>>3969275
Correct, I don't have a phone but my keyboard has a 'PrtSc' key.

>>3969320
Ahhh but if you were paying attention you would know I play with a controller and pc is connected to a... thats right TV. Which means by deduction in all likelihood i'm lounging back with a controller away* from my keyboard hence the optimum speedmax route is still that right... a 7 second picture versus the time to get up walk across my room to keyboard open this godforsaken website on Firefox and then hit the prt scrn key yea no thank you and fuck off

>>3969356
Guide + RT

>>3969356
>I play with a controller
>this godforsaken website

>>3968568

It´s like playing golf anon. The objective of the game is to play the less possible amount of it. Basically just fill everyone with steroids and end the fights on the first turn.

>>3969362
Still have to crop and open 4chan lmao u r such a bad faith actor spitting image of this website

>>3968568
Battles are boring.

>>3968612
There's mods for that. Seelah becomes Seelie, and I think the voice is modded too. Nig to ginger route.

>>3968568
If anything it gets worse in the late game. I'm a certified owlcat hater just because of this game

>>3969786
The opposite of love is not hate. It's apathy. It'd be easier for you to just ignore Owlcat. Instead, you're here because you literally just can't stop yourself from interacting. You do care about Owlcat and their games.

>>3969808
You are severely mentally ill.

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>>3969818
ooooo you big mad

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>>3969818
Reaching isn't a mental illness, kiddo, let alone severe. It's just awkward.

>>3969808
do owlcattle really have such a fragile egos?

>>3969893
You're the one throwing a tantrum because you can't handle that people enjoy something you claim you hate. Just leave the thread, dude. It'd be easy for you to just leave. It requires effort and choice for you to keep being here spamming the thread. No one is convinced by your crying.

>>3969895
that was my first post though

>>3969895
Yea i'm the OP and I didnt make that post your responding to.

ASS U ME

>>3970041
We already knew you were both dumb cunts, but what do you think you're accomplishing?

>>3970172
Are you hoping your Owlcat waifu will come to life and be your gf if you shill for them enough?

>>3968568
Wrath is even worse.

>>3970172
>gets questioned if has a fragile ego
>proceeds to show he has a fragile ego
like clockwork

>>3970873
You're being mocked.

>>3970175
Why are you here? You can't stand the thought that anyone likes something you don't like? Why? Why does it matter so much to you that people are having fun playing this game? Why are you so upset that it's regarded so highly? Why does it matter to YOU?

>>3970958
It's certainly a highly regarded company.

Just started a new game. Rolled Kinetic Knight. Planning to get it to lv3 for 2d6 and then swapping off to Wizard forever for gish.
I can already tell it's going to suck ass since I've already played the shit out of dual estoc Slayer Wizard in the roguelite DLC and confirmed that it gets absolutely fucking bonkers, but it sounds cool to use a magic energy sword and roll against Touch AC so fuck it.

Made Valerie one too since I never noticed before that she's basically built for it. Don't think I'll actually be keeping her in the party for the long haul, though.

>>3972624
Touch AC isn't as important in Kingmaker as it is in Wrath, due to the math of how the two games scale. In Kingmaker, enemies in late game often have various fey templates applied which give them blur, displacement and/or mirror images. Dealing with those illusion defenses is a more significant boost to your weapon attacks. Having true sight running while also targeting touch AC is of course the best, but anyway true seeing doesn't have to be a buff you cast on yourself. You can get the buff slave (Tristian / Octavia) to do it.
I don't recommend taking levels in wizard for a gish build. If you wanna play an eldritch knight, just play a magus. If you wanna play a kineticist, play a kineticist.

Besides Owlcat and Larian, what are some other good turn based CRPGs?

>>3972676
Turn based? What do you mean by "crpgs"? Do you mean top-down camera managing a party of characters in tactical combat in between environment exploration and roleplay dialogues? Or just like any kind of rpgs? Do you hate roguelikes or roguelites?

ADOM and Caves Of Qud are roguelikes, and quite good at what they do.
Darkest Dungeon is of course a famous party-based roguelite rpg, and there's Iratus which is the Temu knockoff version.
Age Of Wonders 4 and Planetfall are 4x strategy games with some rpg elements including managing specific "hero" characters who can run around as a group.
The Last Spell is a tactical roguelite with fairly complete character customization, but limited rpg elements otherwise.
I haven't played the Geneforge games but I've played tabletop games with someone who said they were good.
I haven't played Rift Wizard or Moonring yet, but they're not far down on my to-do list now.
Siralim... I dunno, I feel kind of like it'd be good if it were your kind of game. Like if Pokemon were cranked up to eleven.
Skald Against The Black Priory was interesting, well made, but not exactly an epic sprawling game like Owlcat or Larian make.
Stoneshard has potential, but it's a bit of a case study in how NOT to do an Early Access.
XCOM is probably as much of a crpg as it is a tactical combat game.
Wasteland 3 isn't much of an rpg but does have just enough that it can't fairly be said that it isn't one. It's a very good game, in my opinion. Just too short.
Then there's old school style blobbers like The Quest, Might & Magic X Legacy, Fall Of The Dungeon Guardians, Legend Of Grimrock and Wizardry...

>>3972723
>XCOM is probably as much of a crpg
Stopped reading here

>>3970958
It upsets me at a fundamental level that retards are praising this dogshit developer.

>>3972728
The BG3 threads are a couple doors down the hall

>>3972723
Baldur's gate-likes. The kind of games Owlcat and Larian make. Is there a more specific name for the genre?

>>3972739
Well, there aren't any other good ones that I know of. That style of rpg is considered niche, and both Owlcat and Larian were mocked by commentators for the foolish business decision to make them. Everyone was predicting they'd fail disastrously.
But anyway, there's only the three Owlcat games (Kingmaker, Wrath and Rogue Trader) so far, but they're making Dark Heresy which is landing ... soonish. The Larian games, of which DOS2 is... a bit of a clumsy mediocre mess. BG3 is 5e D&D which fucking SUCKS. And then there's the Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2, of which only Deadfire is really worth playing, though the story of the first one was good and almost nothing about Deadfire really makes sense for a while unless you've played the first one... the actual gameplay of the first one is weak. Neither of the PoE games are natively turn-based and fundamental parts of the mechanics and balance will suffer if you run them in turn-based mode (which they both have now).
Before these games, there was NWN2 (real time with pause) and the Infinity Engine games (IWD 1&2, BG1&2 and Planescape: Torment which is not truly in the same style at all and hasn't held up well with age) of the early oughties.

Some might mention shitware like Colony Ship or Encased, but I am reluctant to even name them because they're just so fucking bad.

>>3972728
Nobody cares.

>>3972664
Eh, I missed getting Herrin and Jae back from Tortuccio by doing the bandit camp first (didn't even know that was possible), and then wiped to the swarms in the spider cave, so I hate the game again.
Worrying about True Sight is a long way off.

>>3972795
Swarms are basically the only thing in the game keeping casters relevant. If you don't have an alchemist on your team (you get Jubilost in Act 2 after you've established your little fort after killing the Stag Lord), you can still throw alchemist fire grenades which are sufficient for the level 2 spiders in that early quest. It's not really the easiest place to start, but you can get some extra grenades by talking to Bokken and asking him I think. You probably want to throw them with someone who has good accuracy because they do pitiful damage if you miss. If you don't have a team composition for it, there's nothing wrong with just... leaving that location for later. Same with the wererat alchemist encounter. It's a seriously dangerous encounter, and you probably need communal resist energy fire or several castings of the level 2 spell for it. Hideous Laughter to put him on his ass asap can work, too.
It's an open world game, anon, so there's optional locations available at times that are out of depth if you just go there as soon as you can. (For example, there's areas you can climb into around the Old Beldame's map, and those monsters are CRAZY powerful for the level you first gain access to that map. It's because they're for a late game quest but you can technically make the skill check to find those interaction points much earlier in level. You can even kill those monsters, too, if you're ready for them and reasonably optimized but you'd have to wait for the late game quest get credit for it anyway). Take your current difficulty level into account.

No. Kingmaker is objectively inferior to WOTR in most ways, nobody serious denies this. Conceptually, it's the most interesting Owlcat game, but they unfortunately their ambition far outstripped their means (they were actually a small indie studio back then).

I do think that on some maps it's bizarrely the best looking Owlcat game (something about the ground mist effect on some of the swampy/marsh maps is just wonderful) though. Gameplay wise? It's fucking shit, completely and totally unbalanced in the most insane ways, most of the companions are literally unusable without mods to fix their bizarre stat distributions (inb4 muh lore), and the story itself suffers heavily from bad translation. In fact, the translation is so bad at times (in side quests particularly) that you occasionally get completely ESL gibberish misspellings and mixed up sentences that never got touched by an editor.

The enemy variety and *theoretical* overarching story is nice but in practice even said enemy variety is spoiled by some idiotic balancing. I'm not even going to get into the final dungeon, there are some spergs here who to this day will be contrarians and try to defend the wild hunt and mandrake swarms having literal non-tabletop at will stat drain and paralysis.

>>3972835
All of that is true, but being inferior to a masterpiece like Wrath is not a mark against Kingmaker. Kingmaker is still an exceptional game in its own right, especially since its creation was an impressive feat for what was as you say a rather small and inexperienced indie studio... cobbling together a team of amateur game enthusiasts from Eastern Europe and Russia.
Kingmaker has flaws, ok. But it's still an amazing game.

And I think you agree about its good points: it's a charming, romantic epic sword-and-sorcery fantasy story with cozy natural wilderness vibes and gentle power scaling. The art style is painterly and adorable. The story is one of the absolutely most favorite Adventure Paths Paizo ever made, for good reason: building your little fort into a kingdom while adventuring to defeat mysterious forgotten evils and uncovering a vast and ancient foe to defeat and finally secure the peace and prosperity of your kingdom. There really aren't any other RPGs like that. Even in NWN2 your fort is just a tiny little fort and only really used for one little combat sequence. The "strongholds" in BG2 were little more than dungeons that you complete and then collect a token amount of cash (sometimes) from them if you visit. Caed Nua exists only as a farce and tedious waste of time. There are no other games in which you literally build a kingdom that you rule while also being an adventurer.
I would also praise it for managing to strike a good tonal balance. It's not grimdank, constant gloom and doom and sober serious angst like MotB, Wrath, Rogue Trader or DOS2. It's also not goofy comedy nonsense like most of Deadfire or NWN2 OC. It's written sincerely and with authentic affection for the genre. There's a very good variety of types of enemies, hitting the most cherished central tropes. Bandits and animals at first, troll hordes, adventuring to find and slay a hidden lich, political rivalry ending in war, and mysterious otherworldly fey demigods.

>>3972830
I cleared the cave out in my second try. Must've eaten an unlucky crit the first time or something. Those fire bombs definitely helped. Yeah, Bokken gives you like seven when you accept the quest.

>It's an open world game, anon
Not really. You don't have time to actually explore. Playing through it again it's really hard to even describe the seething hatred I have for the entire design. Even just getting to Oleg's for the first time is designed to take two camps, even though the game does everything it can to make you feel rushed, even giving you this big warning message about taking too long if you select Rest Until Healed.
And then it constantly throws more time wasting shit at you, like the Slaver ambush and the nightmare faggot, while it actively penalizes you for wasting your time. It's really just so fucking awful.

>>3972664
>If you wanna play an eldritch knight, just play a magus. If you wanna play a kineticist, play a kineticist
I'm actually going to try a kinetic magus, since you can use spell strike with elemental blade. Not sure what my level split's going to be, though.

>>3969777
I think I got filtered by seelah when I tried this several years ago. Mod looks awesome, maybe I'll play it again. Maybe not because owlcat is dogshit

>>3969777
>Seelah becomes Seelie, and I think the voice is modded too.
I was annoyed and offput by Seelah as well, but I do not understand the point of doing things like this. You know what the game is like. This is just pretending it’s something it’s not instead of sticking to your principles and rejecting it if it’s that bad.

>>3972835
>Kingmaker is objectively inferior to WOTR in most ways
Stopped reading here

On the topic of the game having shitty time limits, am I going to get reamed if I have to rest once or twice clearing the Old Sycamore Caves/Depths?
Or, better, is there any chance I have time to go back to Oleg's and buy a stack of camping supplies? Should have figured 15 wasn't enough.

>>3974002
You have 90 days to complete the entire first chapter, you could rest after every major fight and still have time to spare.
The mistake people make is resting with "heal to full" enabled and without having enough camping supplies, which drastically increases the time needed.

>>3974005
>you could rest after every major fight and still have time to spare.
Well that's actual bullshit but I'll assume I can lose half a week walking to Oleg's and back.

>>3974006
A standard long rest is just about 8 hours without heal to full and you can use your mandated cleric/paladin to heal yourself in between encounters to avoid having to wait so long. As long as you're actually using all your abilities you can make good time, it's also important not to travel exhausted which double slows you down. A big problem though is that the long-rest encounter table is horseshit and you can either get a completely easy fight or you can get an owlbear at level 1 that assrapes you.

>>3974006
>Well that's actual bullshit
A standard long rest with supplies is 8 hours and you have 90 days to finish the chapter.

>>3974040
Yeah and it takes 3+ days plus a rest to get from anywhere on the map to anywhere else. I've only been to like four, compulsory, locations so far and am already down to 70-odd days.

>>3974065
Do you spend your time walking between locations whenever you want to rest?

>>3974065
1) You are way too fucking slow
2)Aside from obligatory locations, everything else can be done in later chapters
3) You do not have to carry 100 supplies nor travel back to oleg's contantly.
Good Lore Nature allows hunting in most areas and with a decent roll/stat, you do not hunt for 20 hours.

>>3974076
I'm not even sure what you're asking. No?

>>3974078
>1
I've gone in straight lines with no dallying of any kind to each location
>2
Well that's fine I guess
>3
Well I grabbed 15 the first time I left Oleg's, but that wasn't going to be enough to do Abandoned Hut, Elk Temple, Thirn Ford, Ancient Tomb, Pine Patch, Nettle Crossing, and Sycamore and back. This'll be my second time going to Oleg's.

>>3974169
>second
Or maybe third.

>>3974169
>I'm not even sure what you're asking. No?
So what does the time it takes to move between locations have to do with resting?

>>3974169
Remember: if you use supplies you don't waste time hunting. You shouldn't be resting between encounters that often anyway.

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>>3974040
Also the reward for doing it faster is not worth it unless it fits into your very specific character build.

>>3974177
It arbitrarily adds to your travel time. Ot takes two days to walk from Olegxs to Sycamore, but everyone's fatigued by the time or just after you get there, so add 8 hours and 5-6 rations.

>>3974179
I feel like four/five rests for that many zones is pretty reasonable, especially for not playing a caster this time around, and the aforementioned fatigue and compulsory exhausted from nightmare faggot.

>>3974188
Are you mostly wearing heavy armor? Because that will hit you with fatigue fast on the overworld.

>>3974191
Only Val is wearing heavy, everyone else is medium or below. Interestingly, only the MC, who's wearing medium, wasn't fatigued by the time I got back to Sycamore just now.

>>3974188
>and the aforementioned fatigue and compulsory exhausted from nightmare faggot
sort out nettle's crossing first. you should also make it a habit to not automatically rest when you're fatigued. if you're not using casters you rest when you need, not when you're fatigued.

>>3974188
Fatigue caused by moving on the over world is influenced by.
>What armor people are wearing
>Their Con stat (How long they can stay up before they get tired in general not just during travel
>Your parties individual weight, the little bar under a character's model
>Your parties storage weight, the little bar under your party loot stash
Typically it's the last two that causes constant fatigue.

>>3974194
>just play the entire game with a -2 dex penalty bro
I dunno why you're dickriding this shit so hard.

>>3974188
It's not arbitrary, don't misuse words you don't understand because you just look retarded. And regardless it has nothing to do with my post, which (rightly) said you can rest multiple times in each location and still easily make the time limit.

>>3974185
Even if it does it's not really worth it just for that, it's mostly worth it as a trophy more than anything.

>>3974202
because most of the time you just push forward and rest when entering dangerous areas. you can't be resting all the time.

>having trouble resting and travelling in the first chapter
my man. you're going to be so fucked towards the end when continuous crisis impact your kingdom.

>>3974207
>you can rest multiple times in each location and still easily make the time limit.
>>3974209
>you can't be resting all the time.

The duality of shit game design.

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>>3974214
>mfw fey fuckers realize haste and mirror image are good spells, and they outnumber your party

>>3974218
Thanks for demonstrating that you're illiterate as well as retarded, I guess. Feel free to seethe about the game as much as you like.

>>3974209
If you want to burn through spells and abilities easy way to get rid of Fatigue is with Lesser Restoration and Paladin's Lay on Hands with Mercy.

>>3974218
welcome to owlcat shills. the game can do no wrong, only the player

>>3974259
"It's bad because I'm retarded and bad at video games" is not a salient criticism. There are plenty of other issues with the game that could be discussed.

>>3974263
>the only valid criticisms are the ones i say are valid

I dropped Kingmaker after the kingdom spiralled out of control due to a massive jump in DCs, does WoTR have anything like that?

>>3974263
Name some.

>>3974409
Retard filters?
A few

>>3974409
WotR is just gross, but there's no time limits or bullshit failstates as I recall.

>>3974407
Correct.

>>3974409
Wrath's main moments are more so the crusade game (mostly optional) being bullshit and the game jewing the hell out of you if you can't build characters or if you don't have a dedicated buffbot. On the other hand, the game is prone to abuse and you can probably solo the game on numerous builds.

>>3974413
How is a sudden, unforshadowed +10 jump in all DCs a "retard filter"? I went from 90+% success rate on kingdom events to sub-50% immediately.

>>3974441
The game warns you pretty often when shit is about to hit the fan, but yeah the game also doesn't actually tell you what you need for the kingdom stuff a lot of the time. Which is probably why a lot of us consider it bullshit and not very fun. Game is probably best with a kingdom autoresolver

>>3974449
For me, it’s rolling all nat 19s and one day resolutions on all cards

>>3968568
>i'm playing turn based with a controller(pc)
hey kill yourself for this bait. thanks.

>>3968568
d&d is just dogshit and ruins every game it touches

>>3968568
>Are all the Owlcat games like this?
Yes.
Their games are 30% story, 30% inventory/character management, and 40% combat.
If you don't like the combat, spending hours building your characters and managing you inventory you'll get a hard time with these games.
Story is generally okay with some low or frustrating moments, you can tell that multiple writers worked on it in separate team, especially in Wrath.

What are some build archetypes/feat synergies I should be keeping in mind?

It looks like Power Attack, Cornugon Smash/Dreadful Carnage, and Shatter Defenses has a lot of damage ramping potential.

Crane Style, Wing, and Riposte also seem pretty good.

Anyone have any favorites?

>>3974882
Outflank has great synergy with outflank.

I killed Regongar and Octavia.

>>3968568
>>3968587
ohhh; yeah dude hell no. Dont play turn based.
Maybe turn based for bosses, but I dont even do that. Its unplayable like that.

>always use cha as a dump stat
>roll kinetic knight
>dual to magus
>two levels later
>realize magus is a cha caster
Kek. The UI in this game is dogshit. I guess it being a spontaneous caster should have been a clue, but still.

>>3974905
I played and finished kingmaker when it first came out, before the turn based mod. Then replayed it years later in fully turn based mode, turn based is way better and more fun imo. Get to use all that fine positioning and control rather than just haha auto attack goes brrrrr

>>3974910
There are spontaneous casters for Wis and Int too I believe, so really it's just the Kangmaker UI being primitive

>>3974910
Retarded multiclassing gets punished

>>3974978
Works out I guess 'cause I really needed to redo the Sycamore anyway. Turned off Only Active Party Members Recieve XP thinking Harrin and Jae would join after killing Sootscale, but instead they just went back to Oleg's, then I left it off to try and share with them anyway for a long while after, including killing Tort, so who knows how much XP I missed out on.

Would have been super nice if that Magus kit had worked. Regular Magus actually is an INT caster at least.

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>>3974570
They appeal to a specific type of CRPG player. I know a lot people can't stand whatever management minigame they always have.

>>3974910
If you're a party face with high charisma Demoralize is severely overlooked early on.

>>3974910
you're blaming the UI for your illiteracy and munchkinism fail lol