level 9/30 berserker/mage in bg2 tob

>>3994640
Gau is big number overpowered not actually the best overpowered

>>3994640
Mechanically probably Raquel from Wild ARMS 4 as she can give herself infinite turns from level 4 or so

>>3994668
Gau takes time and effort to be good, meanwhile you have Terra, Celes and Edgar who are awesome right out of the box.

T.G. Cid. So good I banned him on every subsequent playthrough.

>>3994668
>>3994676
Gau can single-handedly neutralize bosses with his charm ability, even the final boss.

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>>3994640
Should also add "non-player customized" character in the criteria, since people are just going to list their broken builds

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Any healer that can also restore MP is busted. Raja too, but Atraxia being a skill means he's more balanced than this fucker. Way better character, though

>>3994640
>overpowered RPG
the Dragonballz RPG for SNES.
if you meant mechanically, any of the good mages in FFVI.
the mecs in SaGa Frontier, SaGa 2 and SaGa 3 remake.
>>3994712
Knight class in Tactics Ogre:KoL for GBA.
most Paladin/cleric classes in most games.

Definitely not that piece of shit Gau.

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Hmmm....
>Choko from Arc the Lad
Is a bitch to obtain, but once you've got her it's easy street.
Also has an even more busted transformation via sidequests

>Monk from Final Fantasy tactics
Can heal HP/MP, and revive other units for free. As long as you have high Bravery you are set. You combine that with a ninja's dual wield and you've got a force to be reckoned with

>Gau
On stray cat, oh boy

>Robo in Chrono Trigger
Give him every magic tab and speed tab in the game. He will carry you.

>Sprigg on Lagoonate in Chrono Trigger
Cast eagle eye on her and the damage will help you out for awhile.

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>Attack
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Hahaha

>>3994646
You're supposed to be powerful by the time the game ends, anon. That combo is weak for most of the playthrough, though. Fig/Mag multi is better the entire way through and ends up just as strong.

>>3994844
CS3/4 Rean is actually busted because of his brave order that reduces arts cast time

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If you level your scrubs and get lucky with stat gains throughout the entire game up to that point, you might end up with 1 party member that's almost as good as him at his starting level

>>3994848
I never used Arts much in CS, I mostly focused on Crafts.

>>3994850
This guy was literally "aura farming" in the desert chapter

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>doublecast
>autorevive spell
>mana is fully restored on revive
Quite literally impossible to lose aside from the extremely rare enemy that can remove buffs.

>>3994845
nope. it's strong as hell, all the way through.
it bypasses the early part of mage being limited entirely.
fighter/mage just splits your xp and drags on.

>>3994834
Sprigg was so fucking bullshit, completely broke everything until the final dungeon and was insanely far ahead of everyone else in the midgame. I don't know how people keep overlooking her.

>>3994917
stopped playing this after Moria, need to pick it back up

>>3994984
Sprigg is necessary because you start the Lynx arc with 2 dark characters and extremely limited character selection: her being a morph character lets her fill in all niches
but yeah Lagoonate rapes until Terra Tower

it's fascinating how people talk about "overpowered" in games where there is virtually no challenge to begin with.

>>3994990
Difficulty and balance are not the same thing.

>>3994844
I kneel Rean-sama!

>>3995012
balance is irrelevant outside of competition or challenge. a 2 meter man isn't much better than a 1.5 meter man when the hurdle is 10 cm tall.

>>3995090
Wrong.

>>3995101
i know you are, but what am i?

In Breath of Fire 3, I ignored Peco all throughout my youth because he was a literal mutant onion and not cool at all. He didn't seem to gain any real spells and the main character and Garr out damaged him physically, so he was always warming the bench.

It wasn't until decades later on a replay I decided to properly take advantage of the master system and found out he was a complete monster. Higher HP, Defense, and Attack than Garr and constantly regens HP passively on his own, plus he starts at level 1 and you can apprentice him to a master to really pump his stats even further. It's impossible for him to die and he out damages everyone else in the entire game except for Ryu in his ultimate dragon form.

>>3995340
This.
I actually did use him with the Fahl mentorship my first play through because I hated missing shit. He was pretty beastly, using him was even better than the endgame momo warcry, Rei transformation strategy.


>Peco all throughout my youth because he was a literal mutant onion
WTF, I used him because he was another cool plant person like Spar

>>3994640
Maybe the Nerevarine. Among stuff that was ostensibly balanced, 3e clerics are also bizarre.
>>3994834
>feeding Robo
I thought this might be the case but never tried it. I just wish Marle was better somehow; Life 2 would only be good if the game was harder.

Citan

>>3995380
>I thought this might be the case but never tried it.
Despite Spekkio's claims, Robo's laser is the only dark element you'll have till Magus joins.. He's the only one who has a spread healing and his final skill electrocute is magic based as well.

> Marle
The problem was that she had no ultimate move.

>>3995421
>He's the only one who has a spread healing
Frog does too

>>3995430
it's nothing compared to his heal beam.

>>3995421
>The problem was that she had no ultimate move.
Yes she does, steal heart

Am I the only one thinking Amano can't draw for shit?

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>>3994640
The walking nuke herself.

>>3995496
>one of the most recognized and important japanese contemporary artists in and out of the JRPG sphere
>can't draw for shit

>>3995496
Yes, he's literally the greatest living visual artist

What game are we playing because tha didn’t come with the discount

The Wisconsin Walls can talk in the game. Screaming about how much they love this game how fetch it is

>>3995597
>>3995595

the fuck are you smoking?

>>3994682
TG Cid still pales compared to anything with 10 speed and math skill. CT5 Holy, GG.

>>3995520
>>3995524
>MUH ACCOLADES
So you don't know why he's supposedly so good. Thank you for proving my point, sheepbrains

>>3995380
>Life 2 would only be good if the game was harder.
like many rpgs, you can push, avoid fighting unnecessary battles and gaining unnecesasry levels.
Anyway Chrono+Robo+Marle is a very hard-to-kill party due to the Life3 triple tech and abundant healing options. Haste is great and Ice Tackle makes up for Marle's lack of physical power. Biggest downside is that Marle's best AoE damage option is Ice-2.

>>3994845
>That combo is weak for most of the playthrough, though.
It really isn't.
You start the game as the strongest, and end the game as the strongest.
There's a brief part where you are a weak link in the party in the early(but not start) of bg2, but since you level so fast through scrolls it's really not that long.
>and ends up just as strong.
Not at all.

You very quickly become a better fighter and a much better mage than a fighter/mage as a fighter>mage dual class.
You don't need many fighter levels to get most of the potential of a fighter, and higher levels require more experience, so a dual class can put a fraction of the xp into the first class and then they're essentially a single class on top of that first class.
To get level 9 spells, a fighter/mage multiclass needs 6 million experience. Fresh ToB character starts with 2.5 million experience, but you can get to like 3 to 3.5 million experience at the start of ToB if you do a lot of stuff in SoA. The total xp cap in ToB is at 8 million experience and you'll finish way earlier than that.
In comparison, the level 9 berseker to mage dual will have level 9 spells at 3.25 million experience, very doable before the end of SoA.

>>3995653
quality is not determined by the ability of one to construct an argument for it
your verbal-declarative track is not the measure of reality

>>3995637
TG Cid is still superior because he doesn't require any sort of investment to attain that level of power.

>>3994693
to do that you need to
>reach WoR
>do all the stuff to get the airship back
>get gau back
>go through owzer's mansion and fight the flower painting
>cycle through veldt encounters until you find the right enemy (this could take hours if you've encountered many enemies already and you're subject to rng with which formations it gives you, requiring you to track and savescum the encounters)
or you can just have celes press ice 3 and have the game beaten well before gau is even set up to go

Gau is lame and weird and I don't think I ever used him once in any FF6 playthroughs. What's next, using goofy shit like Relm and Seltzer?
>inb4 but they're akshually OP and broken and you must use them
Who gives a shit, I like cool and fun party members instead

>>3995986
i think OP just wanted to be seen as unique and quirky for using Gau

>>3994825
martial artists are stronger in SF1
even stronger are time magic abusers, but that's a glitch so it doesn't count.

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As panties fell, Big Richard stood.
Dripping wetness gathers in the bare girlhood,
and I present to you my hood.
SAKURA MORNING WOOD!

>>3995988
No, I genuinely considered Gau to be an extremely powerful character. I'm surprised people don't agree.

>>3996104
You could have listed your reasons why in the OP, maybe in an indirect, metaphorical way if you really don't want to spoil the beans.
Otherwise this is just another /v/ engagement bait thread with vague points.

>>3995990
>martial artists are stronger in SF1
if you meant DSC, it's a gamble. and only 1 woman can learn it quickly.
high WP cost but the damage is quite random much like the Tower spell which suck up all your JP, and the Shoot-All mec tech which shoots all your guns until you run out of ammo.

with SF1 mecs you can easily max out any of their stats with the right equips. Pluralslash with most endgame swords is super efficient at 5 WP cost and self-combos. and almost all the mecs/body-types can learn it quickly.

>>3995848
I think a lot of people who love F/M to the point of calling it equivalent are playing with content mods and XP uncappers, so they don't understand the base game scaling and how different the magic user leveling curve is from any other class.

>>3995340
>>3995340
Even if you don't want to use him, he still always had a niche as being an easy way to grab powerful shit from masters you didn't want anyone to use. It only takes a couple fights to get whatever with him since he starts at level 1. For example, using him to grab the spell that 1 shots undead, so you don't have to deal with the zombie dragon boss post timeskip.

MC from both Wrath of the Righteous and Rogue Trader should be up there.

>>3996240
Rogue Trader in particular. Some ordinary nobleman beating an elder god to death in one turn.

>>3996257
Yeah, it's the void dragon too so you're basically as strong as big E himself.

Gau is shit. Even if there is a good rage for him to use, stat progression is easy to exploit and every character can be strong, so it doesn't really matter. He doesn't even start with magic, so I would say that disqualifies him from being in the top 5.

>>3996104
He is, but it's basically nullified by how annoying it is to get him to be powerful.

>>3994850
The fact that he's not just an amazing combat unit but also starts with high staff rank as well is just crazy. Even if you grind the other mages up they won't have that utility.
>>3994917
What game?

>>3994669
that is pretty strong ngl

Lady of Pain in Planescape: Torment. Just invincible in Sigil.

>>3996514
>What game?
LotR The Third Age

>>3996638
She’s amazing.

>>3996514
LOTR The Third Age, basically FFX with a shitty LOTR story
Very 6/10

>>3996872
yeah but you get to hear Gandalf read you stories

>>3996889
>Gandalf
*a faggot

>>3994845
You're wrong, but sorc is heaps stronger anyway.

>>3996107
Here are a few of Gau's many abilities:


Stray Cat. 4x physical damage is potent up 'till the WoR

Rafflesia. Instant win button in most battles. Nothing is immune to Entice and it inflicts what is essentially confuse, which isn't dispelled by physical attacks. It does have to go through magic evade though, so a couple of bosses (maybe just the 2nd storm dragon) may be able to dodge it for a while.

Magic Urn. Immunity to all statuses and absorb all elements while casting Curaga. Combined with a 255 defence setup, Gau is basically invincible.

>>3997008
Downside: you are basically playing an autobattler

>>3997014
i like using the yeti to grind dinosaurs.

>>3994850
Him and his pregnant wife would be able to solo the game.

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>>3994850
If we're talking Fire Emblem we might as well talk about the the king of overpowered Jagens, who can practically solo his entire game from the very first chapter all the way until the end of the game.
Other honorable mentions include Sigurd until you lose him, Robin, Corrin, and Edelgard all three of whom are busted but need some time to actually get going

>>3998555
Seth can't solo because of action economy. He's a trap option. Cruching on him early means no one else will get xp so you'll lose the game.

>>3996104
Gau is a powerful character in a game with lots of extremely powerful characters, except they don't need investment to become strong.
It's kinda like playing a strategy game where you just turtle until you research absolutely everything in the tech tree and then go around killing everything: sure you're strong, but you could've easily won much more quickly in the time it took you to get that strong.

>>3998602
>Cruching on him early means no one else will get xp so you'll lose the game.
Anon you can grind is Sacred Stones, they have an entire tower for it

>>3998602
As other Anon said but also you can pretty much just use seth anyways all the way though
Like it's fine
Bases > growths

>>3994862
Arts break every CS game except for like 2 in half where they're just slightly less broken than crafts.

>>3995985
Bum rush is even easier.

>>3998677
How will you grind in that tower with level 2 characters...? When do you get access to the tower?
You didn't really think about that before you wrote it. You thought you were so damn clever with you "aaaaaackchually~! :nerd_emoji:" interjection you just came up with on the spot.

>>3998602
>Throw jav on Seth
>Put him in enemy range
>Enemies die
omg muh action economy Seth is so bad!

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>>3998743
>How will you grind in that tower with level 2 characters...?
Pretty easily. The first floor is filled with a bunch of very low level zombies/skeletons and if/when someone is in danger of going down you retreat. Even with a bunch of low levels you can clear the first floor then fuck off and repeat really fucking easy
You know how I fucking know because I put in hundreds of hours into that game you fucking faggot

>>3995496
why stylistically unique, I think it looks like absolute shit also. legitimately and unironically.

>>3998972
*while
i don't proofread my posts.

Seth being OP is a testament of how shit FE8 level design is.

>>3998602
Seth can very trivially solo that game. It hasn't just been done it's easier than playing the game normally.

>>3994640
FFVIII's Selphie's The End works in one of the phases of the last fight with Ultimecia right? So she's gotta be one of the most overpowered RPG characters of all time.

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Adell wasn't especially amazing in Disgaea 2, but he's basically been cheat DLC in every game since then.

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>>3999381
Fist has the best damage output in NIS games as a whole. Also they get their 4x4 skill early in comparison to sword users.

>>3999222
while we're waiting for Selphie to do her thing, Zell already killed the boss with 2 seconds left on his limit break timer.

>>3999169
It has not, in fact, been done. You're just bullshitting because you're hoping no one can call you out on that bullshit.

>>4000084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMaEDsu9N-g
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ngN3nSvop8
??


What a strange hill to die on

>>3995988
Nah tbf people have been overhyping Gau for like 20 years. He's pretty infamously "the game's most broken party member"

I've noticed kind of an interesting shift in discourse regarding this. Back in like the early 2000s people would focus on a character's absolute end game potential power when rating them. Nowadays people pay more attention to which party members actually get you through the most content with the least amount of headache.

>>4000492
Those two camps have always existed. One of the old AI voice memes was all about it, even.

https://youtu.be/svaIf3UvykI

>>4000514
I know they've always existed.

I just feel like the "bro this character gets a time freeze spell at Level 98 so they're the best character" faction was more prominent back in like... 2006 than they are now.

>>4000084
You are retarded.

>>4000492
Gau steamrolls the WoB too, not just the lategame, and with tools you can get right away or close to right away. Marshal, Aspik, and Stray Cat. Stray Cat is all you need in the WoR too.

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>MAY RIGHTEOUSNESS BE OUR SHIELD

>>4000514
>>>/pol/

go back

>>4000514
>old AI voice memes
>3 years old
You must be 18 years or older to post on this site.

>>4000634
"Old" relative to how long generative AI has been around. I can't exactly post any from 1994. Though honestly, I thought the video was from 2021 or something.

>>3994640
Overpowered RPG characters:
Rean in Cold Steel 3
Yuna in Final Fantasy X
Colonel Richard in Trails in the Sky 3
Regongar in Pathfinder Kingmaker
Beast in Kingdom Hearts

Isn't the main character in SMT Nocturne some sort of demon/angel god creature?

>>3995496
Same with Uematsu. The limitations of the SNES are what made them memorable. Giving them free reign and too many resources and you just get garbage again.

>>4000538
>Gau steamrolls the WoB too
True but basically everything steamrolls the WoB.

I remember buying 99 shurikens for pocket change with Shadow and just insta killing most encounters.

>>3995496
He has a very striking and distinct style but I can understand how your average moe shitter retard might not be able to appreciate it.

>>4000568
>>4000634
NTG but these kind of posts are stupid.
That guy has a point.

>>4000898
>that guy has a point

repeating the AI video is not "his" point

>>4000917
He is just giving you an example to show that the discourse is not as old or obscure as you think.

>>4000919
I'm >>4000492
I don't think I ever said it was old or obscure. I just said character viability rankings used to be a lot more oriented around a unit or character's absolute power ceiling. Whereas nowadays it seems to lean more the other direction.

>>4000492
>>4000529
this is true. where did it start, fire emblem? game efficiency was more valued by that community even in the 10s. with the speedrunning boom?

>>3994825
i'll add the Summoner class in Langrisser 2 (Genesis). and any of the classes that can learn Sleep spell.

and any of the high-Attack-bonus classes that can recruit Ballistas, but only if you position them right, and don't care about maximising XP gain. Ballistas are best for killing off enemy commanders ASAP.
> https://strategywiki.org/wiki/Langrisser_II/Hero_classes

>>4001529
Speaking of Fire Emblem, Paladins and Generals are so busted you almost don't even need anyone else

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Pirilika in Disgaea 7's interesting because she kinda sucks in combat, but her ability completely breaks the economy in the game. Once you hit postgame, you can use her bloated HP/SP pools to cheat out hospital bonuses and cap the stats of as many characters as you feel like, without participating in a single battle. People call D7's postgame shallow compared to earlier entries, and it's entirely Pirilika's fault.

>>3994646
Doesn't count if you are personalizing the character in a game where characters can be levelled to have literally any combination of skills and traits. If we did count them the question would become "which RPGs have the most broken builds". Basically the character needs to have unique mechanics to themselves that no one else gets to use.

>>4000492
I think it's partially a thing on getting older but also a symptom of a shift in the meta. When you're young, it's always fun to get to a point of overwhelming dominance, dragging a game out for hours while you further increase your lead just to see how superior you get. In a vacuum, when it's just you and a computer opponent, you don't really think about it being an achievement or a difficult thing.

But when you get older and you start comparing yourself to others on the internet, you realize anyone can get to a point at endgame where you're in a massively dominant position, the question is how fast it takes you to get to that point. So instead of securing a massive victory over a game, you instead decide how quick you can reach a victory.

It's probably also due to games like DotA, which function as an RPG/MMO squeezed into a short match--in this environment, you actually ARE competing against other people directly, and a lot of times a character who becomes unstoppable at an hour into the game doesn't really matter when the average match lasts 35 minutes. You focus on what's going to secure a strategic victory for you right then.

>>4001996
no

>>3994640
Wakka and his Attack Reels are busted.