>>3998626
Autists can do hour long essays for anything and it is not indicative of quality or lack thereof.

>>3998626
By video game standards sure

longform video essays are really about monetization and engagement. people who fear the inside of their heads treat them as background noise during gaming, studying, or even sleep. the point is to pad the video time, to drone on as long as possible because the people clicking are looking for a long video. the subject is almost irrelevant.

>>3998626
wait, what happened to that video? tried to find it all i can find is someone else's reupload

>>3999029
The guy got his account nuked for being an unrepentant pedo

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>>3999029
Basically what this guy said >>3999055
He's in Canadian jail now.

>>3999062
Good riddance

>>3999062
>Canada
What a piece of shit

that fact that you people know this tuber gossip shit and pay attention to it is fucking sad.

>>3998626
It's not an essay. It's just a plot summary of Kreia's scenes

>>3999073

The existence of pedos is sadder.

>>3999062
Jesus christ

>>3998626
Yes, she was and it spawned an entire subgenre within Star Wars.

>>3999116
>i'm not as sad as some tuber pedo
wow, such ambition and self-respect.
garbage in, garbage out.

>>3999073
I only know about it thru 4chan lol I dont keep track of these eshitters drama

>>3999155
>and it spawned an entire subgenre within Star Wars.
No.

>>3999155
it did not spawned an entire subgenre, i wish it did. not every star wars game had to be le goodie jedi vs le ebil sith

>>3999441
You can't even capitalize or punctuate. You're a child. Shut the fuck up.

>>3999441
It literally did, that is how we´ve got the KOTOR comics, New Sith Wars and Galactic Collapse.

>>3998637
I somehow doubt the guy who did a massive defense of loli art is in it for the monetization.

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>>3998626
yes

>>3999545
the author's motivation doesn't really determine the viewer's motivation

>>3999545
that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about, retard. i'm talking about the format itself, i'm sure other people copy the style without thought.

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>>3999441
>not every star wars game had to be le goodie jedi vs le ebil sith
Not every game was.

>>3998626
Kreia was based because she's (still) one of the few characters in games to give any life to the "karma" bullshit forced on games when it never has any real fucking meaning. (HEY THIS MEANS YOU, MASS EFFECT)
She actually calls you out on doing shit just because its "bad" or "good" in direct response to the stupid gameplay prompts in speech choices.
While sometimes people get annoyed with her responses, thats the fucking point. You're annoying with your choices.

>>3999155
Sadly not, and never will. Grey Jedi would be such a great concept for a game especially an rpg not that I want Disney to even know those are a thing.

The butthurt that Kreia caused in moralfags, falsely seeing her as an Ayn Rand type, is hilarious. It exposed how they need reinforcement for their behaviour, there's no innate goodness in them.

Another dogshit Chris Avellone mouthpiece character that got propped up really hard because your average Star Wars fan is a retard.

>>3999715
fallout new vegas sucked.

Kreia would never condone pedophilia

>>3998626
It's just cool a neutralfag can be evil for fucking once instead of being the always correct always win fedora tipper path

>>3998626
Yes. Only seething OT manchildren who peaked at age 12 would disagree.
>nuance in my Star Wars???
>complex philosophy???
>character who actually challenges the audience???
If they had their way we'd still be stuck with Saturday morning cartoon morality and the Disney trilogy's masterful
>le heckin brown rebels vs space nazis
slop

>>3999715
>Chris Avellone mouthpiece character
You don't know what a mouthpiece is.
Chris Avellone is a limp wristed moralizing Cali faggot. Kreia is merely a preachy character.

>>3999744
>Yes. Only seething OT manchildren who peaked at age 12 would disagree.
>>nuance in my Star Wars???
>>complex philosophy???
Dude, Star Wars is fantasy wizards in space meets WW2 bomber flicks. There is no complex philosophy, it's "holding onto hate will rot you from the inside". The extent of the nuance is "Han shot first".
>If they had their way we'd still be stuck with Saturday morning cartoon morality and the Disney trilogy's masterful
>>le heckin brown rebels vs space nazis
You don't get from the OT to the Disney garbage without years of (((subversion))) in the meantime. Kreia was absolutely a stepping stone along the way, you're just too retarded to notice. Probably a zoomer who grew up watching the prequel trilogy.

>>3999834
>Kreia was absolutely a stepping stone along the way
how?

>>3999834
Lmao imagine unironically defending >Han shot first
as the peak of Star Wars philosophy while calling Kreia a stepping stone.
KOTOR 2 dropped in 2004, retard. That's the same era as the prequels you apparently hate. Kreia isn't
>subversion for subversion's sake
she's a brutal takedown of the Jedi/Sith binary your brain is too smooth to process.
The Force as a parasite? Jedi as self-righteous cancer? Sith as equally retarded?
Your
>fantasy wizards plus WW2
take is exactly the Saturday morning cartoon slop I was mocking. Disney didn't subvert anything, they just made it dumber with girlbosses and Mary Sues. Kreia brutally mogs your entire OT and you know it, that's why you're seething this hard.

>>3999910
I'm really just here posting with Indians responding with ChatGPT-tier posts, huh? This is fucking grim. You're completely illiterate.

>>3999916
>ChatGPT-tier
>illiterate
Couldn’t actually refute anything that was said so you cry about AI and poos like a seething third worlder, projection much?
Kreia would call you a fool blinded by his own ressentiment. Stay mad faggot, Kreia’s philosophy mogs them entire OT premise.

>>3999930
>ressentiment
>mogs them entire OT premise
First of all, you're absolutely embarrassing yourself.
Secondly, I was clearly citing "Han shot first" as an example of how little nuance there is in Star Wars, in contrast to your post. For you to respond "Lmao imagine unironically defending 'Han shot first' as the peak of Star Wars philosophy" in a post pointing out the lack of philosophy or nuance in Star Wars indicates that you aren't even reading or thinking about what is said.
Third,
>Kreia isn't 'subversion for subversion's sake', she's a brutal takedown of the Jedi/Sith binary your brain is too smooth to process. The Force as a parasite? Jedi as self-righteous cancer? Sith as equally retarded? 'Your fantasy wizards plus WW2' take is exactly the Saturday morning cartoon slop I was mocking. Disney didn't subvert anything, they just made it dumber with girlbosses and Mary Sues.
is absolutely LLM-speak. Don't even front, dude.
>KOTOR 2 dropped in 2004
I know, I played it when it came out, because I was alive then, unlike you.

>>3999937
>Han shot first as example of little nuance
>you aren't even reading
I read it fine. That's precisely the low bar I'm contrasting against.
Star Wars started as pulp space fantasy with WW2 aesthetics and a simple hero's journey, ok sure. But acting like that sets the permanent ceiling of no complex philosophy, the extent of nuance is Han shot first is exactly the limited take Kreia exists to dismantle. KOTOR2 proved the setting could handle genuine philosophical depth, and Kreia is the centerpiece of that.
She doesn't just add flavor: she tears into the foundations.
>The Force as a parasitic entity puppeteering the galaxy through endless conflict
>The Jedi as arrogant, self-righteous dogmatists whose balance and detachment repeatedly doom everyone
>The Sith as pathetic slaves to their passions
That's not stepping stone or random subversion, it's a direct philosophical challenge to the black and white morality and chosen one tropes the OT runs on. It exposes the limitations without erasing the fun adventure roots.

>>3999062
kek, I remember how he defended and shilled his videos here

>>3999643
You have clearly never read the comic or any of the books >>3999541
KOTOR2 literally spawned an entire subgenre

>>3999993
tbf that kreia breakdown video is pretty good, idk about his other videos

>>3999950
>another LLM post
Your stupidity is matched only by your utter lack of shame. Last (you)

>>4000041
You are fundamentally retarded on an innate cellular level.

>>4000079
>>3999930
Cry more OT man baby, Kreia’s philosophy and worldview mogs the fuck out of your basic bitch boomer trilogy’s plot line and story
oh and speaking of LLM format! >>3999937
>Uses First of all, Secondly, Third essay format
>using actual quotes instead of greentext
lol, lmao even

>>3999834
>You don't get from the OT to the Disney garbage without years of (((subversion))) in the meantime
Star Wars was always subversive. Explicitly anti white propaganda, and better for it.

>>3999910
Disney Star Wars is unironically more right wing than old Star Wars but don't expect chuds to understand that.

>>4000106
Just say "I accept your concession", kid. He gave up.
t. boomer who likes Kreia

>>3999642
That was their intent but they failed at it and that's the actual problem with her

Her critiques mean nothing once you realize she does it for every choice and regardless of your alignment or previous choices made. She's the NPC equivalent of a stopped clock and all the discourse surrounding her is marveling at the one minute of the day she got it right

>>4000443
>once you realize she does it for every choice and regardless of your alignment or previous choices made. She's the NPC equivalent of a stopped clock and all the discourse surrounding her is marveling at the one minute of the day she got it right
I would wager that a majority of the anons posting in this thread have not actually played KOTOR 2, and have at most watched youtube "video essays" about it.

>>4000443
>Her critiques mean nothing once you realize she does it for every choice and regardless of your alignment or previous choices made
She doesn't. She approves of certain choices.
Like refusing the wookie's strength as a dark sider, I think most people haven't seen that cutscene. You directly refuse a permanent STR upgrade.

>>4000443
>That was their intent but they failed at it and that's the actual problem with her
The problem is with the influence system not with Kreia

>>4000481
She also likes it when you force persuade a guy on Dantooine into telling you what he knows and then forgetting he saw you, when you tell both Khoonda and the mercenaries that you're going to help, when you tell the sick guy on Nar Shaddaa to kill himself and some other things I forgot.
Kreia as le pleasable contrarian is a meme by people who only saw the beggar scene on youtube and didn't play the game.

>>4000443
>Her critiques mean nothing once you realize she does it for every choice and regardless of your alignment or previous choices made.
Good job missing the point so thoroughly and then posting about it as if you were teaching a class. Well done.
That specifically IS the fucking point. They didn't fail. You're making choices because its +1 evil boy points or good boy points. She's telling you don't fucking do that.

>>4000590
Stup up old woman, I will do that I need those mastery stat bonuses and I will also pretend to agree with you to make you feel good and get even more stat bonuses

>>4000593
You are brown and will never be a jedi.

>>4000594
>will never be a jedi.
not my problem

>>4000596
kek you can always tell your kind from a thread away

>>3998626
The problem with these essays is that they always ignore the most important part of her character. That she was wrong and did what she did because she was bitter.

>>4000699
>she was wrong
nah thats you
>bitter
you would be too

>>4000699
>she was wrong and did what she did because she was bitter
Many such cases

>>4000709
What's correct about her plan? She is simply bitter about her students making their own decisions and can't accept that. Her entire plan was simply to get revenge , something she herself would chastise you for. There is no deeper meaning behind it.

>>4000819
yeah sure thing buddy as long as you feel better about yourself I guess

>>4000819
If you’re expecting accountability and self-reflection from a woman, anon, you may be waiting for a while.
>t. married

>>4000699
She’s literally telling you to stop being a mindless zealot who lets the Force (or dogma) dictate everything. Broaden your mind, make your own choices; that’s her whole deal, and it includes rejecting easy power like the Wookie’s strength or siding with Czerka over the Ithorians.
Was she bitter and out for payback? Absolutely, the game doesn’t hide that. But boiling her down to just revenge ignores how she wants the galaxy free from the Force’s manipulation. Her plan had teeth beyond personal grudges.

>>4000927
but anon she complained about things and didn't tell me I was a good boy when I wanted her to therefore she's bad and I don't like it.

>>3999614
>copy the style without thought
...Talking? Surely it gets tiring being such a hateful and cynical loser all the time.

>>4001080
You're *this* close to getting it, anon.

She has an undeniably good and strong philosophy and motivation. That is exactly why it's so fucking aggravating that she undermines her plan, her philosophy, and her own success by being annoying and difficult about irrelevant bullshit.

She spends all game pushing you away even if your actions support her philosophy. Instead of being a teacher, or a master manipulator, or a 5th dimensional chess player, she comes across as a bitter dumbass who is mad if you donate money to the poor and is also mad if you don't. By the time she gets to her really big ideas you either don't care or are already irritated at her.

The actual, correct way to do Kreia is almost the exact opposite of what they did: have her support nearly every decision you make regardless of alignment until you started to get too extreme. She should have been your biggest supporter - until she wasn't.

>>4002116
>longform video game essays aren't a format
whatever helps you cope, retard.
are you afraid of cynicism? not me, i love being perceptive.

>>4002161
Nah.

>>4002183
>I see things nobody else sees because I'm special
>notice how all these videos of people talking about things in detail are long... this is a style, all these people talking are copying each other
Nah, you're a pseud to the core.

>>4002232
>>notice how all these videos of people talking about things in detail are long... this is a style, all these people talking are copying each other
NTA. The specific format (and it is a format) is due to Youtube's monetization policies.

>>4002236
You've never ran a monetized YouTube channel before.

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>>4002237
>You've never ran a monetized YouTube channel before.

>>4002232
nah, i see things retards don't see.
lmao, fucking tard.

>>4002161
>she comes across as a bitter dumbass who is mad if you donate money to the poor and is also mad if you don't
She is not mad at you for doing that. It's a teaching opportunity for her and if you say you will learn from it, she is pleased with you. It's your refusal to see it as morally good or morally wrong that annoys her. She wants you to predict the possible consequences of your actions.
>That is exactly why it's so fucking aggravating that she undermines her plan, her philosophy, and her own success by being annoying and difficult about irrelevant bullshit.
The problem with Kotor 2 is that you don't actually have that many dialogue options to choose from, so Kreia constantly comes off as patronising and annoyed with you. What could have saved these interactions was if the game had specific high wisdom dialogue options.
Right now it's something like this:
>Thing happens
>Kreia scolds you
>"Okay master, I will learn" Kreia approves
>"Nah, I refuse to learn" Kreia disapproves

If it was instead this:
>Thing happens
>Kreia scolds you
>"Okay master, I will learn" Kreia approves
>"Nah, I refuse to learn" Kreia disapproves
>[18 Wisdom passed] "You are right, my philosophy evolved today because of blah blah blah..." Kreia approves
>[18 Wisdom passed] "You are completely wrong because blah blah blah..." Kreia approves
Then the writing and Kreia would be unanimously lauded. I think we would have gotten something close to this if the game had another 2 years of development time.
By the way, most of Kotor 1 dialogue options are similarly retarded which is doubly jarring because you are supposed to play as a charismatic master strategist. Only Korriban post-reveal dialogues show some hint of that.

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>>3998626
>such a long video essay
2 hours is nothing in terms of SW Lore. Are you unaware Episode 1 has a 12 hour youtube analysis? I tried watching this Kreia vid after approximately 99 hours of no sleep and surprise surprise it put me to sleep, ended up having a nightmare in which me and 3 squadmates were battling the Egyptian Sphinx once again. The prize being 1 wish VS. our death as the penalty. His riddle mentioned something about an exiled Jedi facing a starving panhandler upon landing on the Smuggler's Moon, and how he might choose his words carefully to avoid the wrath of his bitchy Sith Master. Without even consulting my team I instantly looked that foreign monstrosity in the eyes and answered he should simply state that True Jedi carry zero credits. I forget what fucking happened next. I'll rewatch the video later and post a report ITT

>>3999062
LOL is he based, stupid or both? Why not just march into the Paladin's Guild HQ to express the argument he's in fact a Vampire and there is nothing wrong with being a Vampire? I can be a tad boastful myself so it's a constant struggle to not brag my butt off about deflowering consenting women below the age of 18 outside of 4chan. I can only inform my closest friends&senpai, and even then I can never risk providing any lists of names, dates or places

The balls on this fucker! Does he get released soon?

>>3999734
>Be me
>Lord Kreia
>Sense a sexy 9 year old female stowing away within the cargo hold
>This angers me!
>I hate her so much it's unreal! She can't even speak basic! And seems to suffer severe autism!
>However. .
>She presents us golden opportunity
>Should my apprentice manipulate her into accepting willing molestation for extra Darksider points I shall scold him severely without mercy!
>Alternatively
>Should my apprentice resist her sex appeal and refuse to molest her for extra Lightsider points I shall scold him severely without mercy!
>BWAHAAHA! ALL PART OF MY MASTER PLAN
>Another classic win-win situation

>>4001080
Anon she complains regardless of which choice you pick. The only way to even get points with ger is to be a bitch and agree with everything she says.

>>4000927
But she doesn't like it if you make your own choices. Did you even play the game?
>beyond grudges
Lol no.
>And I used you to make those who wounded me reveal themselves, so they could be killed by the Republic.

>>4004082
This isn't true and you aren't even understanding her "complaints".

>>4004082
No she actually doesn't.

>>3999062
Shit, I remember arguing with him over something. He did have weird vibes.

>>3998626
I don't know what level of autistic rambling it would have taken to discuss any character that long.

>>3998626
You definitely could talk about her for well over 2 hours, but you won't find anything worthwhile on youtube about. The only media that deserves a video essay are niche or indie titles that would get way more from the attention than the damage to how the game is perceived.

>>3999062
Was this guy the "ironic lolicon" dude?

>>4004086
When was the last time you actually played the game? You aren't just arguing about this because of some youtube essay that portrays her as some flawless teacher while not actually remembering the game itself, right?

>>4000699
But Anon.
Kreia isn't actually trying to destroy the Force.

>>4004402
Played it again a couple of years ago as a dark sider.
I've never watched a video essay of any video game ever.
I think there's plenty to criticize about the interactions with Kreia without making shit up. The real issue for people is the player's dialogue, not hers.

>>4004438
>I think there's plenty to criticize about the interactions with Kreia without making shit up. The real issue for people is the player's dialogue, not hers.
Ok, Kreia

>>4004446
If players feel frustrated by her, isn't it because they don't think they are given good responses to her?
This is why dialogue trees are kinda shit in general, like with Disco Elysium.

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>>3999715
>>3999813
Did Avellone ever comment on precisely what indignities Kreia had to endure at the hands of the Sith Triumvirate? Is it safe to assume Darth Scion used his lightsaber to remove her nipples and clitoris whilst Darth Nihlus forced her to eat them before they filled her vagina with a radioactive mixture of cement and bantha poodoo and sodomize her with the Force or something? Wow. It sounds quite unpleasant but such brutality is the way of the Sith I suppose

>>4004456
that's all you can come up with?
no creativity in these kids...

>>4004402
when was the last time YOU played?
You guys suggesting she only shits on your choices forget the game. She outright praises multiple choices, and the whole point isn't to shit on your choices per se its to show you you're a fucking retard to champion some "noble virtues" of sith or jedi.

>>3999834
>You don't get from the OT to the Disney garbage without years of (((subversion))) in the meantime. Kreia was absolutely a stepping stone along the way
>>3999835
>how?
>>4004482
>the whole point isn't to shit on your choices per se its to show you you're a fucking retard to champion some "noble virtues"

>>3999614
From what I've seen, typically no. It's the 30min-45min ones where there's a larger grey area of grifters that have nothing to say but can use AI scripts and copy/pastes from wikis but still put's more effort into the video than you're typical normie that want's internet money

>>4004581
you're a moron.
>normie
where do you people come from? you really think you're in good company here?

>>4004612
maybe my watching algorithm is just better than yours since I click off shitty videos faggot

>>4004565
"we" get it, you never played the game and just watched ecelebs get mad on youtube about it, cool. Great additions to the discussion.

>>4004630
if you're watching video game essays at all, you are a normalfaggot.

>>4000590
No I'm making choices because I spoke to an NPC and I can't get out of the conversation without picking something. All the choices piss her off. Did you not play the game? It's pretty good I really recommend it, even if Kreia is a failed character

>>4004482
One thing you'll notice on a replay is that early game K-dawg is written quite a bit differently. She's more nuanced and teacher-like, eager to convince you even if she's blunt about it

But then it changes and it becomes the Kreia that people bitch about. I think it's because a) the game was notoriously rushed and unfinished, and b) there is no way to stop her betrayal or join her, so maybe they thought it'd be less jarring if she was more unreasonable and stupid

I think 95% of the debates of her are between people who remember the first 10 hours of the game more than the next 30.

>>4004636
>"we" get it, you never played the game and just watched ecelebs get mad on youtube about it, cool.
Retard, I played the game when it came out, which was before there even was a Youtube.
We're at the terminal stages of two+ centuries of Judeo-Masonic subversion to demoralize (literally) Western civilization.
The first step is to turn people away from objective morality rooted in God, a positive polarity that exists greater than, and separate from, man. Demonizing the eternal virtues is part of this.
Next, man is rendered rootless, floating, neutral. This makes him malleable, devoid of an objective framework. When everything is subjective and relative, he is easy to reshape and form by the wicked.
Finally, reorienting man towards the negative polarity, an inversion of God's order. Every virtue is cast down, mocked and ridiculed (even the concept of virtue or truth), while every vice and sin is raised up and praised. Man is turned against his own kind, his own culture, his own civilization. An autoimmune disorder.
Go ahead and take a wild fucking guess where a bunch of leftoid Californian game devs are in this process.

>>4004669
>We're at the terminal stages of two+ centuries of Judeo-Masonic subversion to demoralize (literally) Western civilization.
it's far older than that and broader than the jews or masons or secret societies.
this is a problem of consciousness itself, it's why the indians called it out thousands of years ago: kali yuga.
you want to know the original sin? language.

>>4004456
Worse. She was so old they didn't do anything, which humiliated her more.

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>>4004460
Like what? Make her sit on a rocket and launch her ass into hyperspace?

>>4004690
Very undignified

I draw the line at the long ones over a single character. what can you possibly say about anything in such a decontextualized way?

>>4004849
>please erp with me
nah, you have no skill at it

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>>4004897
>erp
Wtf?I'm not trying to gay up the board I'm just throwing legitimate theories around ITT regarding Sith torture tactics as per how they relate to Kreia

>you have no skill at online erp
You're not wrong there though. It'd be a waste of my talents (picture-perfect good looks, etc) to level up that crap so instead I focus on mastery of the age-old craft or erp irl with actual women for example I'll sometimes pretend I'm Luke Skywalker and my sister pretends to be Princess Leia when we knock boots on the Falcon

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>>4004073
>watches video
>falls asleep
>promises /vrpg/ i'll rewatch&report
>6 days pass
>/vrpg/ waits
>EXTREMELY exhausted after daily duties
>mildy drunk too
>SO fucking hungry rn
>refuses to eat. chalk it up to my idealism
>bc self-trained to only eat the food I deserve
>YOU IDIOTS DO NOT KNOW THE TIP OF THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG'S DEFENITION OF WHAT HUNGER EVEN FUCKING MEANS
>watches OPs vid
>video is centered around Kreia's bizarre statement
>"To believe in an ideal means the might to betray all of your idealism!"
WOW REALLY KREIA? NO NEED TO FIGHT FOR FOOD? I DON'T HAVE TO EARN IT? I CAN JUST COOK UP 4 PIZZAS AND 21 SERVINGS OF RICE WHENEVER ALONGSIDE 14 CHEESE STICKS? LIKE EVEN TONIGHT? JUST LIKE THAT? THROW EVERY IDEAL OF SELF-DISCIPLINE CODE OUT THE FUCKING WINDOW KREIA? AND EAT LIKE A KING? DAMN THANK YOU MASTER I KNEEL TO YOUR TEACHINGS. FUCK THE JEDI CODE AND FUCK THE SITH TOO LET'S EAT UP OUR NIGGER SOUPS NOW FAGGOTS

Okay wtf? I don't get it. Either I'm a legit retard or every time I watch OP's vid I'm too sleepy too hungry too drunk or all of the above to grasp the overall message. I posted that after winning a drinking contest with a black African-American negro hitman with connections to my state's local mafia which could pay off longterm then watched the video after the victory. Basederinos? Cool? The additional connections could pay off in the long term but I tried lecturing the World's greatest collection of loyal Dogs the message of OP's vid centered around Kreia's quote "TO BELEIVE IN AN IDEAL MEANS YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO BETRAY IT" or whatever. But they took it too far! I'm impressed with their ability to understand complex ideals spoken in the English language but damn it was misinterpreted! Resulting in pure fucking anarchy! I guess it is little wonder why Kreia is one of the most racist characters ever in the entire Star Wars Universe exclusively taking Human apprentices freely voicing her outright disgust of the Zabraks, Aliens, space Dogs, Wookies and etc you can name any non-Human race she HATES it within reason

FUCKING SHIT playing Kotor 2 as a black man exile or black chick exile should officially be considered an exploit OF THE LORE! She'd realistically deny a black Jedi exile tutorship as early as Peragus. What an interesting conundrum whathow with she ignores what she preaches about betraying her own racist idealism to work towards her own values

>>4008219
>freedom to create any kind of character you want
>make a nog
Bruh

>>3998626
To fully understand the lore and the deeper meaning of the philosophy behind the character, yes. It's practically "Agency: The Character".
>>3999062
Never fails me! All of these avatar of girl anime characters are either pedos or trannies.

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>>4008294
>play random Star Wars RPG!
>hm should I be a Wookie nigger, a Mon Calamarian, a Nog, a Rodian, Trandoshan, Ithorian, Bith, Sullustan, Dug, Human or perhaps a even Bothan spy nigger?
bruh no call to be closed minded

>>4008460
>Agency
>The character
I have been told I have tons of character and "Agency" is my literal middle name and even idk wtf you're getting at, agent

There are people that make 8 hour essays about Nickelodeon and Disney Channel shows. A two hour essay about a SW character is small time.

>>3999642
>While sometimes people get annoyed with her responses, thats the fucking point. You're annoying with your choices.

That would make sense if the character wasn't often scripted to scold you no matter what choice you make.
The only choices she approves of, is being a deceptive and manipulative backstabber like she is.

She's the ultimate fedora-tipper with delusions of enlightenment.

>>3999910
>she's a brutal takedown of the Jedi/Sith binary your brain is too smooth to process.

The character is an old failure, crashing out that she wasted her life making bad choices, and is trying to justify her tantrum by blaming it all on the Force.

>>4008666
>Would you prefer to be reborn as a Droid
Stopped reading here

>>4008666
Can't you just stay in your Mass Effect threads?

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>>4008670
of course my droid-nigger friend! congratulations on being capable of reading nearly half of a Chinese fortune cookie-snack before your ADHD tier programming glitches you out into oblivion

>>4008675
No, idiot, was that an attempt at sarcasm? Especially not after one death stick too many and two chubas too many tonight

t. Massing my entire Rebel Fleet near Sullust ready to enter hyperspace at the press of my button with bold plans to BTFO your insignificant Death Star mark 2.0 project. Go warn your cumstained gaywad Sith Lord Emperor to try trapping us if he was too retarded to foresee this and beg him to suck my 6 fishy ballnuts during his final breath

holy shit this dude is lame

>>4008691
>>4008691

>>4008709
There are entire boards where you can ERP with yourself, faglord. I suggest you use one of them.

this is what too much star wars does to a boy...

>>4008726
It's the same schizo who usually posts his retarded Mass Effect ERP threads.

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>>4008727
ah, i wonder if he's a refugee from biotard forums

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>>4008726
>too much Star Wars
kek. What do I look like? A maniac? Because I'd hardly call watching all 6 Star Wars films 100 times per day and beating both Kotor RPGs and SWTOR 200 times per day "too much". But what would I know? I'm just a perfectly sane individual trying to make my way into the universe

everyday i thank god i was never a star wars autist

>>3999062
holy based

>>3999062
orz

>>3998626
>>3999062
>Separating Art from the Artist

>>3998626
If you were going to do a full breakdown of all of Kreia's interactions and the philosophical meaning derived from it, then you probably could make a multi-hour video essay on her.
She's very unlike the rest of the Star Wars universe characters, and there's a lot to discuss.

But if we're being honest, you can easily cut down the multi-hour video essay to like 25 minutes, without losing anything important.

>>4009059
>If you were going to do a full breakdown of all of Kreia's interactions and the philosophical meaning derived from it, then you probably could make a multi-hour video essay on her.
Powerful, exciting, arousing even.

>>4009059
>But if we're being honest, you can easily cut down the multi-hour video essay to like 25 minutes, without losing anything important.
This is why Obsidian cut so much of kotor2 btw

>>4009144
LIES!

>>4009150
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

>>3998626
God I love Kotor 2

Bitterness due to how her life turned out and hate because her students all abandoned her teachings in the end. Culminating into rage against the Force which she holds responsible.I don't see how that would take several hours to explain.

>>4004669
>It was judeo-masonic subversion to abolish morality
You missed the point entirely then.
Her advice is reasonable on the surface: don't give in to your knee-jerk impulses but rather consider the second and third order consequences of your actions before acting, don't show off your power level before you're fully prepared or you will attract unwanted attention, don't give in to your psychotic urges. Be manipulative rather than a blunt object. Convince people to solve their own problems instead of doing it for them or manipulate them into acting for your benefit. It's reflected in your manipulating your companions into being Jedi whether they love you or hate you.
Here's the thing: Kreia was lying to you from minute one. The evidence that she was lying starts to present itself before you leave Peragus. Her story doesn't match what the droids say, and it doesn't match what the logs on the Republic ship say. That's not bad writing. She's manipulating you and using you to get revenge. On the Jedi, not the Sith. She lied about Sion betraying her, she betrayed him. She is the one who was actually cut off from the force by the council, where-as you just cut yourself off from it. She's using you to get her powers back, not the other way around. Even considering that her advice is not unreasonable, if you do what she suggests, if you take her early advice and avoid moral extremes, you arrive at Malachor and the end game considerably weakened compared to if you fully embrace the light or the dark.

Realistically speaking, Kreia is the best written female character in all of video games, and the second place goes to Kreia's spiritual predecessor, Ravel from Planescape: Torment and her multiple iterations across Forgotten Realms.

There are no sexy and/or cute girls that can compete with hags.

Why?

>>4010279
How do we come back from this, my fellow sexy girls?

>>4004456
The blind cunt is objectively unattractive and if you disagree you have no taste in women.

>>4010279
>Realistically speaking, Kreia is the best written female character in all of video games
Based

>>4010340
She's a butterface

>>4010352
>the best written female character in all of video games
1. Pawns from Dragon’s Dogma
2. Anezka from VtM:R
3. Camellia from WotR

>>4010361
Powerful list

>>4010271
The point of Judeo-Masonic subversion is that they’re lying to you to weaken you and use you for their own ends, too, buddy

>dude love and having children and emotion are inherently a pathway to evil
>rebel against authority with no real plan for "democracy"
>muh nazis
Yeah, Star Wars was really bolstering traditional values...

>>4010369
You're talking about real life (demoralizing western civilization) vs within the game (trying to weaken and demoralize the hero).
You sound like one of those 80s televangelists preaching against the evils of D&D or warning your kids against summoning the powers of Darkness like Skeletor does.
Kreia is the villain of the game. And she is an interesting villain.

>>4010340
How old do you think she is anyway? She may have been good looking once but it takes some hard living to make creases like that. Her face looks like it’s been plowed by crazed Ord Mantel farmers.

>>4010361
Below mediocre bait

>>4010279
>Yusanis had a hag fetish
He's just like me...

>>4010387
I liked it as a kid gimme a break

>>3998626
nod rly
shes kinda unique in the SW universe in that true neutral characters simply were not a thing in the base movies/lore
but ive also heard it argued that shes out of place, because of that same reason.
idrc desu, 2 is a gud game
im not gonna watch your youtube video

>>3999062
>DoB: 7/1/92
oh fun
happy birthday chomo
do chomos get dey asshole re-sized in canadian prisons, or does everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya?

>>4010279
>There are no sexy and/or cute girls that can compete with hags.
Play more JRPGs chud. Half the main rapeable cast of Sengoku Rance is great. Especially WW2 General Yamamoto Isoroku (female).

>>3998626
By Star Wars standards yes

>>4009144
Because they were rushed to have it release for Episode 3.

>>4010998
>Because they were rushed to have it release for Episode 3.
Source? Have never heard that claim. It’s plausible but they came out six months apart which is a pretty big gap.

>>4010811
Sure, I did too with the first 3, doesn't prevent me from understanding it as intellectually and philosophically vapid.

>>4011006
Obsidiots have a prepared excuse for every botched release Obsidian has done.
It is NEVER their fault.

>>4011008
They also had the advantage of the engine and many assets already being made by Bioware and still couldn't finish the game. While having the audacity to claim that they were rushed.

>>4011235
all of them are at fault here
obsidian for having too big of an ambition for such a short deadline project
lucasart for giving such a short deadline in the first place
game turns out great despite the shortcoming

>>4010845
Yeah, Lucas himself came out and said "there's only light and dark sides of the force, there's no mixing the two" even though Luke was clearly mixing the two in Jedi.

>>4011006
>rushed to have it release for Episode 3
That's backwards. It was rushed so it wouldn't compete with Episode 3. In 2003, Lucasarts wanted a KOTOR sequel but Bioware was starting to work on their own property, so they floated the idea to Avalone before KOTOR 1 came out so he spent two months writing the sequel blind because they couldn't give him any information about the game without him signing on. Lucasarts signed him on in October 2003 and gave gave him 13 months to make the sequel to release in December 2004.
He asked for a three month extension that they agreed to, so it was going to release in February 2005. In the spring of 2004, a new CEO came in at Lucasarts and decided to revert the release to December 2004 because the agreement wasn't in writing and he didn't want it competing with any of the three Episode 3 tie-in games that were coming out between February and May of 05. (Revenge of the Sith, Republic Commando, and Battlefront II).

>>4011235
There were a lot of changes to the engine between the two games and it wasn't just a matter of slapping new skins on like a mod.

>>3998626
we must be better women...

>>4011277
Lucas doesn't give a shit about Star Wars metaphysics, which is probably smart of him.

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.

I prefer KOTOR1 to KOTOR2

>>4011547
>Lucas doesn't give a shit about Star Wars metaphysics, which is probably smart of him.
*laughs in midichlorians*

Kreia tricked everyone who played the game pretty much. She's a sith through and through.

>>4011555
What's a sith?

>>4011568
You’ll have to play ultima 9 to find out

>>4011574
No, I know what a paladin is, as they have a meaningful description. In Star Wars sith seem to be very vague, with nothing much in common between depictions.

>>4011576
>In Star Wars sith seem to be very vague, with nothing much in common between depictions.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes

>>4011649
So people who think Kreia is a Sith are Sith?

>>4011568
jedi but shit

>>4011576
I think there's a quote in SWTOR saying "There are as many Sith philosophies as there are Sith"

>>4011576
It depends on the time period we're talking about in SW but Sith are typically a group of dark siders who have a similar philosophy and oppose the jedi.

Thats guy's video is pedophile not ironic.
He took photos to feet to him 11 years old sister and upload in 4chan

>>4012046
Of him sister*

>>4012046
>>4012047
Post her feet!

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>>4011555
Checked but Kreia was never the true Galactic Champion of Mastery of Darkside Philosophy that honor belongs to Jorak Uln

>>4011568
Pic related is the wisest Sith

>>4011568
At their core Sith are basically force users that rely on emotion instead of discarding it.

This tends to lead to them using things like anger and fear because they're incredibly powerful, which leads to the biggest psychos being the most personally powerful.

They do use love though, in TOR Malgus kills his twilik waifu because she 'made him weak' and the resulting angst it causes him immediately grants him power on par with the strongest force users in the setting.

>>4013207
But you can't discard emotion. Emotion informs logic, people with head trauma who lose their emotions become unable to think properly and make even simple decisions. Sounds like a flawed Western conception of Buddhism.

Why didn't the force-only guy just kill Kreia

>>4014120
who nihilus? he uses saber too

>>4014394
>who nihilus?
Literally who