What is it that made the world of Fallout resonate with gamers so much?
>>4002321It kind of depends on what Fallout game we're talking about. Unless you mean post apocalypti, dire situation settings in general.
The plot makes it feasible to explore forgotten dungeons and visit remote villages but also shoot guns.
>>4002321the music
>>4002321The worldbuilding in that game is just too fucking good. It actually feels like what the region around Las Vegas would look like in the aftermath of a nuclear war. Almost feels like a ttrpg.
>>4002927It really doesn’t. I was living in Vegas at the time the game came out. It looks like a bunch of C*lifornian leftist faggots went on a field trip, took a couple pictures, and then went home to sodomize each other in the name of “balance”.
>>4002321I think any series of games could be "good" if it got the open world treatment that Bethesda gave Fallout. It was already a successful formula with Morrowind/Oblivion. All Bethesda did was grab the rights to Fallout and do the same thing. Could have been any game, imo. People like open world.As for why it entered into our culture, that has more to do with gaming becoming super popular by the mid 2000's. Before that, gamers were niche, hardly anyone gave a shit, and it was still treated as a contemptible waste of time... until world of warcraft went crazy and introduced millions of people to gaming, then it became normalized pop culture. Fallout 1 and 2 (released in 97/98) barely had 250k sales by 2000.The reason normies like it, well, nukes and guns are pretty cool.
>Here's a gun. You're gonna need it.I almost feel bad for those who didn't start at the start, but Fallout will blow anyone's mind no matter which game they play first, even a piece of shit like New Vegas.
>>4002321>resonate with gamers so much?no. STALKER Clear Sky did that to me. because i lived in pre-WW2 army barracks ,next to a stinky swamp and a river.and no, i am not a ukrainian army of skynet drones.
>>4002973Play Tactics. Brohood of Steel should have won.
>>4002933California is the best state.
>>4003066Best state, and best Fallout setting.
>>4003066>>4003070Go back to your third world favela shithole (I'm talking about California btw).
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>>4002933Why the fuck would you live in that region
>>4003115ty based todd
>>4002321There's multiple kinds of drama.>high drama: deeply philosophical and asks greater questions about life and reality. Think Hamlet.>low drama: dumb but fun. Think DBZ.>human drama: things like sex, jealousy, greed. Think GoT.>moral drama: seeks to teach the audience a lesson. Think Nu-GoW.Anglo-American media is absolutely obsessed with the last two. You couldn't remotely imagine such writers enjoying things like Dragon Ball Z or old Spiderman comics, for example. No, they need to have Goku/Spiderman having sex and relationship drama, and that needs to be what drives the plot. So New Vegas was kind of the last major American RPG I can think of that had the plot driven by politics and ideology over petty human drama, and let the player come to their own decision on who to support morally. If Obsidian made the game just a year or two later Caesar's motivation would be sexual frustration after developing ED from old age, so he founds the Legion to feel young again.>reddit space Oh and before some pedantic autist says it, no the game isn't devoid of human/moral drama, it's just not the driver of the plot.
>>4002321There wasnt really any competition offering a similar experience back then and even today this hasn't been replicated, a few game have tried but they more often than note miss the mark especially in term of the roleplaying aspect, there is always something to railroad towards whatever main quest there is. Take something like that Atomfall game, the only thing it had going on for it was the "no quest pointer", in term of reactivity or replayability there wasn't much.
>>4002321In one word, immersion
>>4003159It's kind of sad that a binary choice between liberal democracy and a slaveholding military dictatorship is held up by so many as a pinnacle of political storytelling in video games.
>>4002933Not from Vegas but exactly my viewpoint. It's pretty clear that actual Vegas wouldn't look like that.
>>4002321For me, superficially, it was that I found it when I was becoming a hipster obsessed with crooners and Western-USA aesthetics. Sierra Madre is still my favorite area in any video game and I encourage all Dead Money fans to listen to the Arctic Monkeys' Tranquility Base Hotel and Casino record start to finish. Just as superficially I was longing for a F/TP RPG where your choices actually matter, and I maintain that F:NV is in the top 2 best games who accomplish this, the other one of course being VTMB. I remember asking about a game like this on /v/ using also the words "not afraid to swear" which is pretty funny to me in hindsight. I must have been 14 or so and I didn't have a good enough PC to run either. AnywayAs you grow up you do sort of realize that you end up doing the same missions anyway, and the world itself is not as good as you'd like it to be. There's only 5 actual towns, being generous with the "town" status of places like Primm, and there's not a whole lot to do in any of them, but you do always notice new stuff every new playthrough if you're serious about exploring. I came in my pants finding House's lakeside manor and was then disappointed to see that it's just a place to visit.I think RPGs are at their best when they allow for the player to autistically create his own story and find the motivations for his character without railroading him down any specific path, and F:NV does that flawlessly, with just enough response from the world to make your actions feel weighty, but not so much that you get the sense you're going through the motions down a scripted path.
>>4003231Calling the NCR a liberal democracy is a bit generous. They certainly weren't afraid to genocide the Great Khans, and General Moore is basically a psychopath.
>>4003292>>4003231Pleb take of great proportions. If you take the game seriously, you can play through Honest Hearts and even if you sympathize with Graham as I'd guess most players do, you can imagine a character who's saddened to see what vicious tribes can get up to without the order and discipline a faction like Caesar's Legion can provide if he's misguided enough. Realistically, even Joshua would agree with this sentiment if not for the whole burning debacle. In fact, in some ways, he's worse than Caesar, in that he's not looking to integrate and civilize sadistic savages, rather he wants to kill them all. Add to that meeting Lily or Dog and feeling sorry for them, getting fucked by Nighstalkers and Cazadors, visiting Vault 22 etc, then reading all of the terminal entries you'll find in OWB and it's enough to justify a hatred for science for science's sake and greed and technological advance which might make a Courier wandering the desert encountering mindless violence every day think Caesar does make some compelling points. There's just enough "scholar"-type characters who agree with the Legion, certainly enough who are not retarded savages who freely support him.Of course, all of this plus the dichotomy of slavery vs indebted servitude to brahmin barons falls squarely under the high drama umbrella which the other anon mentioned which I can see easily going over your head. Still, even with devs shoehorning rape and gay sex in the faction, you'll find traders who say outright that the Legion provides security and order everywhere it exists. The game also does a good job at showing you the NCR's incompetence every step of the way. Genuinely I can't remember a place you meet them where they don't come off as doofuses, doofi if you prefer and amateurs. By the way, usually I go with House, in case you're that transsexual who calls the legion "fascistic" when what you mean to say is "totalitarian" because you don't know the meaning of words.
>>4003296Liberal democracy is a political system. The great khans were not an ethnic group. A nation-state's pursuit of its geopolitical goals is not something contingent upon any particular domestic political system.God damn, you didn't pay ANY attention at all in your middle school civics classes.
>>4003302They don’t teach kids civics anymore, and haven’t for several generations.
>>4003302>A nation-state's pursuit of its geopolitical goals is not something contingent upon any particular domestic political systemNo, but one can judge the morality inherent in a nation-state by its predisposition to expand and subdue, and the means by which it does so.
>>4002321familiar but differentdumpster diver simulator
>>4003115Reminds of those improvised shit shacks from Fallout games...
