warhammer blah blah 40K rogue trader or something editionI know turn based makes sense for this franchise, but real time with pause would've been more realistic, or you know a shooter rpg so we could actually enjoy the heavy guns?
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>>4010270its indeed a forest
>>4010261>or you know a shooter rpg so we could actually enjoy the heavy guns?Space Hulk: DeathwingSpace Marine
>>4010353interesting, I'll give them a trythey're not RPGs tho
>>4010445Shooter "rpgs" aren't RPGs, either.
>>4010448yes, the whole "why does headshot damage need a dice roll" thing
>>4010458Space Hulk in particular is based on a tabletop game and does feature dice-based RNG mechanics
>>4010458>Why does FF need ATB>Why do Tales games need RT combos>Mass Effect is not an RPG by this definition, same for Deus Ex, Bloodlines, etc.>By extension, neither is Dragon Age since you shoot projectiles from staves and bows there>Why do you need to dodge encounters in Chrono TriggerIDK the path of the purist always seems bleak even though I followed it myself at times. Autistic tunnel vision is no way to go through life.I'd love another Mass Effect for example that wasn't sacrificed to EA and shitty leftist propaganda in the end.You don't "need" anything but personally I want more things that are fun.
>>4010261>>4010353Inquisitor: Martyr, snacktually.
>>4010714I wanted to like it, but it sucks. What completely killed it for me was the utterly arbitrary “power level” of gear, where even if a piece of gear had good stats and was strong for your build, if it was outdated and had too low of a “power level” for a mission, lol whoops now you only do half damage and take 2x incoming damage or whatever dumb shit it did. A totally pointless and arbitrary grinding treadmill.
>>4010658the inquisition taught me many things, but most importantly that mass effect is normie slop
>>4010261Is Rogue Trader done updating yet or are there more DLCs still to come? I've been holding off on playing it because I don't want to play an incomplete game. Not to mention Owlcat games are always unplayable garbage at launch so I lose nothing by waiting.
>>4015514one more DLC still to come, but the game is not buggy you can play it if you want
>>4015517Have they said when the last DLC is coming out? I should mark it on my calendar so I can play it 4 months later when they've properly patched it.
>>4015519play the game in its current version, what's a new DLC gonna do is, slap 15 hours extra on your playtimeI'm not gonna play the new DLC, and there's no indication that its the last expansion or at least I couldn't find
>>4015526Nah, not gonna waste my time on an unfinished game. I've got enough other games to play that are actually complete. I'll just put this on the backburner and ask again next year.
>>4015514>Is Rogue Trader done updating yet or are there more DLCs still to come? I've been holding off on playing it because I don't want to play an incomplete game. Not to mention Owlcat games are always unplayable garbage at launch so I lose nothing by waiting.Same here. I got burned by trying to play WotR at launch. I’m interested in RT but not until it’s done getting patches.
>>4015533>>4015530I gotta be honest with you two niggasrogue trader isn't that fun
>>4015567The number of CRPGs that>A) Are actually that fun.>B) I haven't already played.is close to zero.Sometimes you just gotta do with what you can get.
This game makes me fall asleep. I don't like to read, I want someone to read for me.
>bring Solomorne with me to Commoragh>he isnt there Motherfucker just escaped himself
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>>4010261I pirated this. It's fun and all but every fight, I just want to skip it. I'm only interested in roleplay and dialogues, the turn-based combat is so tedious to me, it takes forever
>>4017802install toybox, kill all enemies button, you're doneI do like the turn based combat but its nowhere as good as real time with pause or divinity 2 if we really need to stick to a grid based combatalso warhammer is played without a grid, wtf?couldn't owlfag games make kingmaker but in 40K?
>>4017802>it takes foreverIt's even worse in multiplayer, you littrally have to wait for the other players to make their slowass decisions. A simple fight can drag on to 30 minutes.A big fight can drag on to a hour.
>>4017969>A simple fight can drag on to 30 minutes.>A big fight can drag on to a hour.I see they've faithfully recreated the average tabletop experience.
So, the upcoming games are just 3, right?The next RTThe ExpanseJourneyAre we missing anyone from the squad?It still looks like they overstretched themselves. If there is a 4th game that just makes it even worse.
>>4018541>The next RTwhat, rogue trader 2?
>>4018559Something like that.Owlcat = Russian BiowarePathfinder 1 = Russian Baldurs Gate 1Pathfinder 2 = Russian Baldurs Gate 2 (series ended in both cases)Rogue Trader 1 = Russian Neverwinter Nights 1 (both are controvesial series which Pathfinder/Baldurs gate fans hated)Rogue Trader 2 = Russian Neverwinter Nights 2Journey = Russian Jade EmpireThe Expanse = Russian Mass EffectThis is the pattern so far.
>>4018559It's not literally Rogue Trader 2, but it's close enough. The next game is based on the Dark Heresy rulebook, which uses the same system as Rogue Trader, just in a slightly different context. Instead of being a powerful trader tied to a noble house, you're a powerful special agent tied to an inquisitor.
>>4018581their graphics tech is worse than bioware, so that's unique
>>4018581What is journey? Do you mean Shadow of the road? Owlcat aren't making that. They're just publishing it like Rue Valley because they are a publisher as well now. And Neverwinter nights 2 was made by Obsidian, not Bioware. You have also missed KotOR. So this comparison doesn't really work.
>>4018581This is stretching itPathfinder and BG comparison are on pointExpanse is Mass Effect, but unlike it, it will flop and dieRogue Trader is nothing like make your own adventure Neverwinter Nights. It's another premade adventure cRPG, this time in space. So more like Kotor, but unlike Kotor it wasn't made to be a cinematic action game. On the contrary, it stayed as tactical cRPG and is now in turns only to bootDark Heresy would be like Kotor 2, which wasn't made by Bioware. Another space cRPG, improving on original, even with a darker themeThere is no Neverwinter NightsThere is no Jade EmpireNo DA:O yetWe know they are working two more, still unannounced cRPGsUltimately, history does not repeat itself so literally. Owlcat is committed to making party based cRPGs like Baldur's Gate, for people who begged for more like those two, but were abandonedFor Bioware cRPGs were only a stepping stone on their journey to making cinematic, character heavy adventures
>>4019031Of course it needs stretching. Russian is synonym of discount.>it stayed as tactical cRPGAt least this part matches, plus the controversy of the original BG fanbases having a bit of a rebellion against it. if I recall correctly, they kept BG2 as their favourite and the modding community was alive for 2 decades out of sheer willpower and ressilience.I see the same rebellious spirit in Kingmaker/WotR fans, they resent RT, but they are not talented enough to keep Kingmaker/WotR alive with modd community. Also they have way more alternative games in this era from asia and europe and north america. Unlike back then.>which wasn't made by BiowareSort of fits with Joyney Shadow of the road, the stretching in needed, but you can see it.This is meant to be their Russian Jade Empire.
>>4015727its not perfect solution but it existshttps://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kroguetrader/mods/75
>>4010261>CRPG threadBaldur's Gate ToSC is still the best one ever madeBG2 is overrated as fuckRTwP > Turn-basedLarian games are trashOwlCat games are also trash, but better than Larian's, if only mechanicallyKingmaker and WotR are too fucking hard, though
>>4019057Shadow of the road, like Rue Valley, is not an Owlcat game. Publishing and developing are 2 different things. The actual studio making it aren't even Russian, I believe
>>4019357>RTwP > Turn-basedmore like turn-cringe lmao>>4019361>Shadow of the roawhy does that feudal japan game has a mech from ghost in the shell?
>>4019361Well. the NWN2 game was not Bioware either, so it makes sense Owlcat is emulating that practice.
>>4019388What practice? Bioware didn't even publish NWN2. Shadow of the road isn't a sequel to one of their games. It's an entirely new IP made by another developer. That makes no sense at all and I think now it's way too big of a stretch. It's like saying every company is like Bioware because they make rpgs
>>4019398Being loose with the IP and throwing it around for everybody else to play with counts.
>>4019414What IP? Shadow of the road is an original IP that was made by another development team entirely. This isn't similar to what Bioware did with Nwn at all.
>>4019951In the beginning they were strictly publishing their own games.Now they don't give a fuck, they will publish anything from anyone.
>when I need to kill Pasqal for the sake of roleplay
>>4020067They weren't, though? Meta publishing published wotr and Deep silver published Kingmaker and screwed them over so badly that Owlcat don't even have the rights to it or make money from it. Owlcat learned from this and became a publisher themselves to help themself and others. And Bioware never published games. Their games were always published by interplay or EA. Your facts are all wrong and this comparison doesn't work.
>>4020102>And Bioware never published gamesIf we are going to make the comparison as developers vs developers, it's going to have to be stretchy.Bioware fumbling around and letting other developers work with the IP they worked on.Owlcat fumbling around incoherently as a developer larping as a publisher taking on other developer's projects.They are both scizos fumbling around with various IP.
>>4015514>>4015530>>4015533>I've been holding off on playing it because I don't want to play an incomplete game.This is autismGame was complete at release. No dlc adds missing content. They are all separate stories, with separate characters and factions.In fact you should play without dlcs for the first time anyway. DLCs completely ruin pacing since every jump you are spammed by 3, and soon more, separate events related to completely random bullshit. If you don't know the story already, it will be very hard to even track what's going on anymore. You can't explore galaxy in peace anymore, nor focus on story. Everyone constantly wants something from you. DLCs are designed to be a fun gimmick for people who replay the game to see what changed.Trazyn in particular now shows up during story events, changing their mood just for the sake of it. Amusing trivia during replaying, because we all have seen those events 4 times already, at release and then after each of 3 DLCs, but pointless or even damaging for experience during your first time playing.
>>4022366I don't have the time nor patience to go thru this game and its combat twice, so I'm glad my first time was with all the DLCs installedanyways here's wonderwallthey call them xenos, they call them ayy lmaothey call them greys but the Emperor knowsain't nothing but alienstrying to get under our skinwe pay our tithes, they get a piecewe make a living, they're having heresyain't nothing but xenostrying to get under our skinthey pirate and assaulthey imperium, you know that it's truethey invade and agitateand make us hate the things that they doEmperor, they dothey know the warp system, they get it freethey keep on taking from you and meain't nothing but xenostrying to get under our skinthey got the xenotech, we got the chemicalsthey're eating souls, we're eating corpse starchain't nothing but xenosTrying to get under our skinthey're getting the adamantine, we're getting the shaftthey're taking our agriworld, we're taking groxshitain't nothing but xenostrying to get under our skin
>>4022366>This is autismNo, it’s pattern recognition. Devs have released three games. Kingmaker was so buggy that it was literally unplayable at launch (didn’t have an executable). WotR was figuratively unplayable until about six months of patches due to the high numbers of bugs and broken features.It’s perfectly reasonable for someone with that experience to say “nah, I’m waiting for this shit to be done before I play it”. I’m being generous by not completely writing Owlcat off.
>>4022377>>4022445you were warned
>>4022465fuck off arbiter of my cock and balls
I wonder when the last dlc for RT is coming. The wiki says July - September but I haven't seen any information on it yet. I really want to play the game again but would prefer to play the final version of the game.
Started playing this last week, were people just retarded or was operative really bad before the last DLC?My sniper guy carries the team with his 1 shot deletes across the map with a laser sniper, sometimes multiple guys at once. Big single targets like bosses are also getting meltet and now I got bounty hunter and unlocked more action economy. My navigator grants me extra turns on demand in case it's needed.
>>4024556It was reworked, but Analyzing enemies and then Exposing weaknesses mostly annoyed people. Other first tier Archetypes are more straightforward and fun for most
>>4023861NTA but bump for interest
>>4024556I made the mistake of going with a psyker bladedancer/executioner for my first playthrough. He's basically the toybox version of "kill all enemies" before they get a turn.
>>4024741domin'anon, I was supposed do a turn 1 victory
>you can hand over Idira to the inquisition>nobody even gives a shit>no more retarded banter from this sassy bitch and my ship has 1 less brown hereticHoly based Heinrix
>>4010261hey, this kinda looks good. unlike Pathfinder games.
>>4027164I thought both PF games were gorgeous.
>>4024556Operative is still comparatively weak, but the new augments and other balance changes make it a whole lot stronger than it was.
>>4024556Operative has always been meant to destroy boss targets because big damage against mooks with only tier 1 hit points means most of the damage is wasted. That's what soldier is for: burst attacks that wipe out clumps of trash.People just didn't understand that there were different priorities for different roles. The main problem was that soldier could outperform operative in the sense that it could do a lot of damage to one target *while also* clearing trash, people reasoned there was no reason to bring an Operative.I would say the *actual* problem is that most of the operatives are fucking awful companions. Idira is a noob trap and can literally irreversibly end your run in the goddamn tutorial by summoning daemons that you can't beat. Pasqual can't function as a high-Int skillmonkey because of the tech priest quirk of not knowing anything about anything important. He also has limited weapon sets, and is one of the few companions who can actually use plasma weapons out of the gate along with many talents specifically for augmenting them. Which means making him a sniper is kind of a waste... but then you end up with him just wasting turns with half of his AP unspent because there isn't anything he can actually use them on.The main solution is that Joint Analysis exists now, so Analyze does something that even Officers can't do. Operatives are now more like a kind of offensive Officer, in the sense that they debuff all enemies on the field and can cripple high value targets in important moments.So now that they've been buffed a bit, they're a second-best target for spending your momentum with heroic moments and officer-granted extra attacks. Executioner Pyromancer Heinrix is still literally ten to twenty times more valuable than any other build available in the game though.
I never finished a single Owlcat RPG. Is anyone like this? I played Kingmaker, WOTR, and Rogue Trader, and some point mid-way though the game it just becomes a slog and I lose interest. I wish Owlcat were better. Fuck I miss oldschool Bioware.
>>4027692no, finished kingmaker and wotr, 60 hours in rogue trader and going
>>4027692I finished KM even though I not only acknowledge the "slog" but I have character build ADHD and am always creating new ideas to test which make me restart even heavily winning games for hardly any reason. I guess the hook of adding my dressing to salad girl was stronger than these others.WOTR is really bad for that as Hell is also very tedious, I don't like walking/perspective puzzles that constantly impede you from the next room.I mean a lot of content is a lot of content, it is if you're having fun it or not that determines "slog".Rogue trader is more focused I think but the ship combat is pretty slow.
>>4027773>WOTR is really bad for that as Hell is also very tedious>be me>play WotR at launch>it's janky as fuck>wait 6 months for the devs to un-fuck it with patches>finish the game, have fun>try to replay it>get to act 4>nah bro, uninstall
>>4027687You're wrong about Pasqal, with the current overcharge mechanics he's an incredible DPS and his unique tech priest kit provides a significant boost to any party. Yrliet and Idira though are both rather pointless to use though, I agree.
>>4027692If you ran out of food, you'd feel rather irate that you didn't get as much as you wanted despite paying for it.If you have too much food and you can't possibly eat it all, you should feel satisfied that you got way more than your money's worth.
Is this bugged?Why does Pasqal get so many free attacks?
>>4028993I assume the player got a bunch of marked target kills, that's how bounty hunter is supposed to work.
>>4029083that's assassin and his first turn
>>4029114Yeah, I see now that I mistook perfect spot's icon for claim the bounty. In which case this is definitely a bug.
>>4015533>>4015567as a non autist, i find Rogue Trader actually quite fun on Daring. you dont need DLCs, but Void Shadows is integrated really well into the main story. i would say i got tired of space battles but im 200+ hours in my only playthrough so i am still enjoying it.>>4015530you dont need the last DLC its totally extra. the first is the best one anyway
>>4031751DLC2 mogs tbqhwy, Heartless quest alone > all DLC1 quests.
Where can I get some exported characters for NWN 1?There doesn't seem to be any in Neverwinter Vault and Google wasn't any help either.
Is Rogue Trader all out yet or are they still adding to it? I did a playthrough near launch and have been waiting for all the DLC to come out before doing another.Also out of curiosity how do they get you to the sex pervert planet if you kill all xenos on sight? On my last run I chased whatshername there but I'm sure I had the chance to kill her before then.
>>4034504It completely changes contextIf you let Yrliet live, it looks like another sidequest of Yrliet about saving her peopleIf you kill her, it does look like the main quest it is. Achilleas says he has a plan to kill your two main villains - Voigtivr set up by a Prologue and Marazhai - set up by act 2You go to this same station and set up (fake) ambush, hiding your troops around it, deploying sentry guns etc. When you finish deployment you trigger a trap for you, releasing gas which knocks you unconscious and Marazhai attacks
>>4010261>mfw having to pick a class for my first wotr playthroughjesus christ, what do I go with? it's high level shit.
>>4035771Paladin, angel path.
>>4035771game throws so much celestial healing at you that anything works even on core difficulty.
>>4035771Many people don't take advantage of mounted combat in WotR at all, and out of all the companions only Seelah somewhat uses it.
>>4027692Not quite but it took me years to finish WotR, I'd keep losing interest in act 2/3. Crusade parts are a huge slog.
>>4027692I haven't finished any game since 2077 because they all suck ass. The only OwlCat anything I've managed to finish so far is Through the Ashes. I'm near the end of The Lord of Nothing now, so I might finish that too.
>>4035771>>4035774>>4036443Paladin 14, Sohei 6. You get to be a paladin angel and make proper use of a good mount, charging in on horseback. Use a polerarm, preferrably fauchard for crits. Level Paladin to 6, then 6 of Sohei, then the rest in Paladin.
>>4042679Paladin 20. Dips are for faggots. Use longsword and shield, since the paladin sword is a longsword. Lean into the shield feats, like protecting your horse with it, and shield bashing if you're feelin cheeky and not too feat-starved.
For me, it's Fey Eldrich Scion 20.
